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Date: 08/07/13 05:29 PM

16 Responses to The Finland Phenomenon

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    Karimento Male 30-39
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    August 7, 2013 at 5:29 pm
    Link: The Finland Phenomenon - Deeper look into finnish educationb system
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    August 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    Excellent.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    August 7, 2013 at 6:25 pm
    Hmm, Finland has an advanced culture, great economy, superior educational system and plenty of freedom- and they don`t seem to feel the need to wage relentless war all over the globe to achieve or keep it; I call it as fake as the moon landing!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    We`re too busy doping our kids up with mood altering drugs to make them easier to handle. Then they go bat poo crazy and start shooting.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 7, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    Finland`s nice, I`ve been there. But has anyone noticed that almost all the countries we should copy have only 5 million people? I`m sure if we take Minnesota or Iowa by itself, it has wonderful statistics.

    You also really risk mythologizing foreign countries. American Progressives are notorious for this despite the fact that they would freak out if we put our immigrants in New Guinea camps like Australia or put a 12 week limit on abortion like France, or even a 20 week limit like Holland (remember all the fuss over the Texas bill that put that limit). They even have an obligatory waiting period that would cause a hernia over here.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 7, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Gerry, Finland has had at least 2 school shootings with about 10 deaths each since 2007, which would put it in a far worse situation per capita.
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
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    August 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    @CaptKangaroo

    Finland spends huge money on the military and they have troops in Afghanistan right now.
    They are a very militaristic culture and all able bodied men are required by law to go though 6 months of basic military training (or community service, or jail).
    They have a huge military budget compared to other similar sized countries, and their military industrial complex is technology wise on par with the giants like Russia, England, China, USA, South Africa, Sweden and Israel.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 7, 2013 at 10:43 pm
    Also, the population of Finland in 99.9% white, but that`s only if you count Gypsies as non-white.

    Source: CIA Factbook
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    August 8, 2013 at 6:16 am
    @ TheFatViking: I`ve lived in Finland and I have to say, little of what you say bears any resemblance to reality.

    "Finland spends huge money on the military... They have a huge military budget compared to other similar sized countries."

    Really? Let`s take a look at the facts on military spending in terms of 2011/2012 USDs and pctg of GDP.

    Sweden: $6.2 B, 1.2%
    Norway: $7.0 B, 1.4%
    Denmark: $4.4 B, 1.4%
    FINLAND: $3.7 B, 1.5%
    United States: $682 B, 4.7%

    What happened to that "huge" military budget you spoke of? Finland`s spending in terms of GDP and real dollars is in line with its Scandinavian neighbors--despite having been invaded by, and then sharing a lengthy border for 70 years with, the USSR.

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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    August 8, 2013 at 6:27 am
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    "They are a very militaristic culture and all able bodied men are required by law to go though 6 months of basic military training."

    Compulsory military service is not unusual. Denmark, Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and many other countries also require it. In terms of being a "very militaristic culture," I have no idea where you get that. My experience was that it`s a country that loves good design, sauna, and vodka--and values education highly. I hear a lot more nationalistic, bellicose, "shoot `em first, let God sort `em out" rhetoric over here in the USA than I ever heard in Finland.

    As far as the technology of their military is concerned, yes, it`s on par with that of other advanced nations. I don`t see that as surprising at all.

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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    August 8, 2013 at 6:38 am
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    I`ve saved the best for last: "(Finland has) troops in Afghanistan right now."

    They do?! OMG, that`s scary. Let`s see... yes, they do have 126 soldiers stationed over there. I can see why you view this as a grave international threat, indicative of Finland`s "very militaristic culture."

    After all, the only countries that currently have more troops in Afghanistan are: Albania, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Georgia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom, and of course, the United States.

    That`s 29 other countries with a greater presence. But who`s counting?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2013 at 10:17 am
    So to sum up the show... everyone participates and everyone takes pride in participating.
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2013 at 10:59 am
    Finland has a population that is half of London in a country twice the size of England. Additionally they have a good work ethic and are live in a largely homogeneous society. Compare this to England, an over-stretched school sythem with ever-growing class sizes. Bad behaviour and bad results excused because of percieved `discrimination` and a powerful union that resists all change and is more concerned with furthering its marxist agenda than improving genuine standards (as oppposed to making exams easier each year).
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
    308 posts
    August 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    I think it`s a lot easier to maintain an "even, fair education for all" when you have a homogenous society that isn`t exactly welcoming of immigrants... from "migrationinformation.org"... While the proportion of foreigners to native Finns has increased steadily since 1990, it is still considerably less than in Germany, Sweden, or Switzerland, where the percentages of the foreign born are above 10 or even 20 percent.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2013 at 7:57 pm
    Where`s the mystery? It`s a cultural thing. Look at the huge amounts of illegal and legal immigration that takes in this country. Now look at the immigration into Finland. Now look at the way the majority of the cultures that immigrate here, view education.
    I can tell you this, if we the majority of our immigrants were Asian, we wouldn`t have this problem.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    I love how this contradicts the "Inequality is real" link to "Broader, Bolder approach to education;" Quality pre-k education helps prepare students, latest statistics reveal that ages 3-7 determine greatest success rates, hah! The fins just bypassed all of that.

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