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  1. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 9:59 am
    Link: Take The Political Compass Test... - ... and post your two numbers (Economic/Social) in this thread. Squrlz4Sale will compile an I-A-B chart Sunday evening.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    7070 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:08 am
    -6.88
    -6.67

    Libertarian left. A bit more so than Ghandi.
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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
    880 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:16 am
    4.12
    -1.44
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    Sashiko Female 18-29
    20 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:27 am
    -2.62
    -5.03
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Well would you looky there!

    Economic Left/Right: -0.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
    3844 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Count me in.
    Economic Left -5.12
    Social Libertarian -6.97

    Honestly I would have expected my economic attitude to be closer to the middle. But the social attitude is right where I expected.
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    sweetrebelnc Female 18-29
    847 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:39 am
    economic left/right: 2.25
    Social libertarian/authoritarian: -5.28 Well, I am not that surprised. I guess I know myself pretty well.

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    sbr Male 30-39
    34 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:40 am
    -6.50
    -2.46
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    ghoulie11 Male 18-29
    359 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:40 am
    -3.88
    -3.28

    Pretty accurate, I would say.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
    841 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:44 am
    4.0
    -.97

    Though there should be a neutral position on some of the statements.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Economic Left/Right: -6.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
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    skypirate Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Economic Left/Right: 1.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:50 am
    Economic Left/Right: -1.44
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.75
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:52 am
    We need OldOllie to come take the test so we know what the scale maxes out on.
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    deyv87 Male 18-29
    302 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:52 am
    Economic Left/Right: -8.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

    Huh... apparently I`m more liberal and more libertarian than Gandhi or the Dalai Lama.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7618 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Economic Left/Right: -6.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
    Libertarian left- no surprises there really.
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    TheShape Male 30-39
    568 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Economic Left/Right: 0.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77
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    kamandskye Female 18-29
    2 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Economic Left/Right: -4.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:00 am
    So far every single person is on the libertarian side.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:02 am
    Economic Left/Right: -5.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15

    Hmmm this has Obama way far right more than me.......
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    jonwfr Male 18-29
    13 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:02 am
    Economic Left/Right: -3.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
    1586 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:03 am
    Economic Left/Right: -3.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

    This is about what I expected. Relatively Libertarian left leanings. Pretty close to Gandhi.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
    187 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:08 am
    Economic Left/Right: -7.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54
    Wow, what a radical I am
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
    448 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:09 am
    Economic Left/Right: -8.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:15 am
    Economic Left/Right: 3.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:18 am
    Economic Left/Right: -5.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

    =Libertarian
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    fuad119 Male 18-29
    186 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:20 am
    Economic Left/Right: -3.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
    3061 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Economic Left/Right: 1.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38

    I just want to be left alone. Just me and my internet porn...er...I mean guns and motor oil! Yes, girls with guns and motor oil.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:22 am
    Economic Left/Right: -6.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
    2383 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:23 am
    4.5
    -1.33
    The social questions were much more loaded than the econ questions.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3909 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:26 am
    Economic Left/Right: -3.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.12
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    badfish951 Male 70 & Over
    113 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:37 am
    1.12
    -3.90

    Slightly right of center and a moderate libertarian
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7476 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Economic left/right: -5.50
    Social libertarian/authoritarian: -5.79

    Damn, I am almost exactly on the red Ghandi dot.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7476 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:39 am
    nope, on second look I am a little to left/libertarian.
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
    2688 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:44 am
    Economic Left/Right: -5.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

    Hovering around Dalai Lama...

    And hey, look... McGovern is in my neighborhood.
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    spreekiller Male 40-49
    46 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:46 am
    3.75
    -1.54
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    7070 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:47 am
    Well so far eveyone is still on the libertarian side of the scale with the vast majority left-ish or left. Even AJ. But some constituencies still to be heard from.
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    Namikaze Male 18-29
    222 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:48 am
    -0.75/2.46
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
    1442 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Economic Left/Right: -2.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87
    A more right winged Gandhi.

    Too many of the questions or statements I wanted to pick neutral for. Some of them I only half agreed or wanted to say "Well yes and no, it is a little more complicated then just that..."

    "Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis." - If they are a landmark, then they should. Else no.

    "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce." - What is considered serious? If their child has a 90% chance of being born in permanent coma then yes, if they may be born to go in a wheelchair then no.

    "When you are troubled, it`s better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things." - Depends on the trouble. Eyebrows need plucking? Keep busy. House is on fire? Do something.

    I am over thinking.
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    DFWBrysco Male 40-49
    307 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:56 am
    Economic Left/Right: -6.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:57 am
    Econ: 1.5
    Social: -.46

    But you guys should really use some critical thinking skills. This test is complete bogus, just read the questions:

    "Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public."

    Even Ayn Rand would agree with that. But I`m sure a "Strongly Disagree" would move you away from that. There were a bunch of dumb and loaded questions like that that basically force you into becoming a leftist.

    Also, it`s interesting that all the results I see here are flamingly to the left, yet their results for all the leaders are almost maxed out to the right.

    JULIA GILLARD is waayyyyyy to the right of me. And you still think the test is legit? Obama is flamingly a right winger. Jacob Zuma from the far-left ANC is right there next to Romney (who is pretty close to Assad).
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    Skythe Male 18-29
    965 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Economic Left/Right: -2.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4896 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Economic Left/Right: -3.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

    I am not buying this test.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    It`s totally unscientific and bogus.

    And what the hell is a question about Astrology doing on the test?

    And a religion/spirituality question? That doesn`t have to be tied to any one direction on the test.

    Are some people are naturally unlucky? What kind of garbage is that?

    "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." Is that a serious question?

    "I`d always support my country, whether it was right or wrong." LOL

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Zero context.

    "A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies." What garbage is that? Even Adam Smith would agree with that. Monopolies are bad, but I bet if you disagree with the question, they move you away from Adam Smith, not towards.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    "The rich are too highly taxed."

    Where? What country, what state? What type of tax? Income tax could be high, but Cap Gains could be low. It`s like these people don`t understand nuance.

    "It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society."

    They`re talking about the stock market mostly and they basically coerce you into answering that the stock market is bad, unequivocally. No mention of rogue central banks though, strange.


    These questions are seriously hilarious.
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    EVILLECUTTER Male 18-29
    244 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    APPARENTLY GANDI AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN FRIENDS
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    Wundt Male 40-49
    410 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -5.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56
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    xigris Male 18-29
    93 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -4.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    Ugh, such terrible questions. I`m pretty sure my "libertarian" score got buried in the capital punishment/criminal justice area. Some people are beyond rehabilitation; that`s realism not authoritarianism.

    Anyway, here were my scores:

    Economic: 7.25
    Social: -4.72

    Meh. Still not sure how someone could marry "Economic Left" and "Social Libertarian." They seem mutually exclusive to me.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Here`s what rationalwiki has to say on the matter
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    Wundt Male 40-49
    410 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    If we are listing questionable questions... how about "It is alright for women to have a career, but the children come first".

    Personally, I think that is true for both men and women. Caring for children should be everyone`s priority. So, if I `agree` I am saying I think women should stay home. If I disagree I am saying children shouldn`t be a priority.
  52. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    @ Andrew155: Sheesh, Andrew, get a grip. If you find this "Political Compass" test so objectionable, I`ll leave you off the chart and you can boycott the summary chart on Sunday.

    I think most of the other folks on here understand the test and results are being presented in the spirit of entertainment, not science. And while I suspect we`ll get some insights out of the final result, the whole thing is to be taken with a grain of salt.

    (And for heaven`s sake, I don`t think you need to keep implying in every post of yours that you`re the only person on I-A-B with "critical thinking skills." You`re the critical thinker around here--trust us, we get it, we get it.)
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    There is a black hole of critical thinking among people like you, I agree. I have seen good critical thinking skills here if you want me to give out awards.

    But no, it`s not purely for entertainment. This same test has been posted on sites throughout the internet for the past decade or so as a supposedly reliable determinant of political ideology. And people take the test and think that Julia Gillard is right wing. In reality, it`s just some well fermented cat dung.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Yeah there does seem to be some loaded questions I would`ve abstained from. Like that one Andrew referred to. Which manipulators are you referring to? The Fed or Investors?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    Some people are beyond rehabilitation; that`s realism not authoritarianism.

    Even so, life without a parole is a perfectly acceptable sentence for them. People HAVE been executed for crimes they didn`t commit.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    "When you are troubled, it`s better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."
    Huh? Politics or economics, what does this question have to do with them?

    "Abstract art that doesn`t represent anything shouldn`t be considered art at all."
    Huh? What? Oh well. The questions get weirder as they go along, eh? And YES there are several which are HIGHLY loaded / skewed.

    Economic Left/Right: 3.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.05

    This is an "updated" version of a previous IAB post, so that`s not a `repost` = No Catgirls 4U! (lolz!)

    Good luck with your chart @Squrlz4! I look forward to seeing it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    I am very upset at this totally free, quick, easy test that absolutely nobody is making me take in any way!

    I do not feel that it adequately represented the total spectrum of political, economic, and social views in only 30 questions!

    I do not understand some of the questions or how they determine position so they must be wrong and I am smarter!

    I am so upset i am going to post 10 times about how wrong the test is!

    Blah, blah, blah....
  58. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    @5Cats:

    Good luck with your chart @Squrlz4! I look forward to seeing it.
    Thanks! =^.^=
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    Rodin Male 30-39
    771 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    -7.62
    -7.74
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    So far every single person is on the libertarian side.
    @HolyGod I see that too, it SEEMS to be a problem with the test, not an accurate measure of our positions. Yes?

    Too many of the questions or statements I wanted to pick neutral for.
    Me too @Evil_Eye! But that would really `skew` the results towards the middle, I think.
    I`d have liked some more accurate questions, definitions of what the question was asking? Examples?

    It is alright for women to have a career, but the children come first
    @Wundt: Good point!
    Either parent could be the `primary caregiver` in a single-income family. After breast-feeding is done with I mean... a more "gender neutral" question would be better, IMHO...
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    2L84ME Male 18-29
    208 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    Stupid test, labels are a drag, yata yata yata.

    Economic Left/Right: -5.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    Economic Left/Right: 3.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

    I guess me and Adma Smith could set across the table with a couple beers.

    Wundt-"It is alright for women to have a career, but the children come first".

    I thought that was a bogus question, too, but then most were. The reality is the individual, man or woman, has free choice to make up their own mind. (well, I realize many liberals do not have the capacity)
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
    2200 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -6.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

    good luck getting everyone`s scores with all this political bs arguing on the forums
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    furryblob Male 18-29
    574 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -3.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97
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    PirateNinja Female 13-17
    121 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    (-3.62, -3.28) Right next to the Dalai Lama.
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    xCANDACEx Female 30-39
    283 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    Economic Left/Right:-4.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-4.62
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    So, the test author states, "Remember that there`s no right, wrong or ideal response. It`s simply a measure of attitudes and inevitable human contradictions to provide a more integrated definition of where people and parties are really at." And people are complaining about the questions? I mean, if having an awakening is painful for you, that` fine, but don`t shoot the messenger, eh?

    More from the authors, "Most of them are slanted! Some right-wingers accuse us of a leftward slant. Some left-wingers accuse us of a rightward slant. But it`s important to realise that this isn`t a survey, and these aren`t questions. They`re propositions — an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That`s how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass."
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
    373 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    Bush was Authoritarian? Well I suppose the people he answered to were. (No, not the US public).
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -4.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    Look forward to the next result post after reading this lot !
    Best O luck Squrlz old bean

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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    @ Mantistador:

    Good luck getting everyone`s scores with all this political bs arguing on the forums.
    LOL! Thanks, I`ll need it. I should have expected that any political quiz like this would result in some controversy.

    Full disclosure: I didn`t do a test run of this quiz on a test group; I simply took it myself and the result seemed accurate for me. At this point, it appears to me that it`s scoring liberals about right, but scoring conservatives about 2 or 3 points left of where they should be.

    The aggregate chart should be interesting. If someone finds a political quiz that they think is better designed and/or more accurate, perhaps he or she can administer it sometime down the road once everyone`s had a breather from this one.

    @ Andrew: Let me know if you`d like to be on the chart or not. I don`t want to leave you off unless you`d prefer it. I`m happy to honor your preference either way. No hard feelings, I hope.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    7070 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    Obviously it is flawed, but so far I haven`t seen anyone disagree with the result. I`m fine with mine. I`m just further down Ghandi`s path rhan he was. Minus the wierd stuff. I don`t do any of that.
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
    1478 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -4.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

    And I`m hanging out with the Dalai Lama as well.

    I found this test a bit uncomfortable to answer. Seemed that I agreed and disagreed equally with many questions, so I had to decide just how far over one side I felt.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    @Cajun

    It is one point that I am decidedly not libertarian. You cannot be wholly consistent with libertarian beliefs when it comes to capital punishment.

    Either you force death upon someone, or you force others to sustain their life through taxation. Unless, that is, you find a way to make the prison self-sustaining or funded through voluntary exchanges.

    If you can pull that off, then I will be against capital punishment. Until then, in the most extreme of cases, I think some people should be hung for their crimes.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9260 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    "Economic Left/Right: -5.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54"

    That doesn`t surprise me at all.
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    jacman Male 50-59
    14 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    -7
    -8.26
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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9260 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    @Atrayu4u, I personally felt the same way. There should of been some sort of middle answer to the questions.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
    770 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    "Mothers may have careers but their first duty is as a Homemaker."
    ??????
    What about Fathers jack?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    @LordJim: The test skews "left" and "down" so ALL it`s results are flawed! That`s what everyone is saying! We disagree!

    We`re not saying it`s a "bad test" though! If one were able to "adjust" the scores it would be fine.
    That`s highly -subjective- though, just like the (allegedly faulty) questions, eh?

    So far the reported results lump nearly every IABer in the lower-left quadrant, and hardly any in the other 3/4 of the chart!
  80. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm
    Either you force death upon someone, or you force others to sustain their life through taxation.

    Funny thing is though death sentences (not just the actual execution) turn out to be more expensive than life sentences. It is possible for someone earn income while in jail, our government just makes that illegal. On the other hand India has prisons where people actually do work to pay their own rent and in Belize money earned by inmates can go to support families.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:24 pm
    Until then, in the most extreme of cases, I think some people should be hung for their crimes.

    Two things:
    1)What to you would be "most extreme"? Because to me even a man like Dzokhar Tsharnev or Jeffrey Dahmer does not deserve the death penalty. To me deadly force is only acceptable in situations where property or life is in jeopardy.
    2)As of this moment the only truly "quick and painless" way killing anyone is through hypoxia. This is not say punishment is to be without discomfort, never is. But no more than what is necessary.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    Haven`t we had these tests before here?
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    Rizel Male 18-29
    213 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    Economic Left/Right: 0.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
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    enolamron Male 18-29
    197 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    0.5,-5.5
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    @Cajun

    We`re going to end up hijacking this thread if we really want to break down our philosophies.

    Yes, capital punishment tends to be more expensive; I believe that it is due to the added cost of the trials, though I may be wrong. That being said, I don`t think that needs to be the case. Don`t misunderstand, I don`t support giving the state the right to choose capital punishment (because they will abuse it); however, I believe in retributive justice.

    A person who commits a crime suspends their rights until the victim(s) is compensated. If the crime is violent in that someone is raped or murdered, how can we compensate the victim? That`s the problem, such compensation is subjective to the victim (or victims family).

    If a family that has been devastated by a murdered loved one can find retribution (not just vengeance) in the death of the offender, who am I to stop that?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    @HumanAction

    Good questions, but now that you mention it I do agree we should put aside this conversation for now.
  87. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    @Cajun

    What to you would be "most extreme"?
    I`m actually against any detention for all non-violent crimes, so it must be violent. A person who commits insurance fraud shouldn`t be locked up for years; they should pay restitution (plus interest for loss of wealth and utility) and a fine.

    That being said, it`s impossible to objectively define a point as being extreme enough. Because of this, the state cannot be involved in the decision. Only those wronged can decide if the crime warrants death; however, the judge and jury surely must retain the right to substitute imprisonment.

    As for the execution, perhaps it`s semantics, but I interpret the AND in "cruel and unusual" as binding. Hanging may be cruel, but it is hardly unusual. Therefore, logically, it is not "cruel and unusual."
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    nick12684 Male 18-29
    85 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    Some of the questions were impossible to answer due to it either being a false premise or a trick question. So my answers to these type questions were inaccurate, but:Economic Left/Right: 7.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
    55 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -8.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

    I don`t think biased questions are a huge problem, because it`s supposed to be a rough-and-ready test to give just a quick and general picture of your position. A bigger problem, and the reason we`re all so far toward the libertarian side (I, for example, am NOT libertarian at all), is that the social questions are all about religion and sex, by an large. There are NO questions about freedom of speech or gun ownership or police profiling or voting laws, for example, which are huge points of conflict between what most of us would call libertarians and non-libertarians. We`d get more of us looking more "authoritarian" if those questions were asked.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    -1.97, -0.62
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7752 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    -4.50
    -1.13
    lol, more left than the dalai lama....me!
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7752 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    I`m also an Aries, non-smoker, like watching the rain and enjoy chinese food.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4916 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -7.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33
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    uatme Male 18-29
    1074 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -6.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7752 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Andrew, just fill in the damn form
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:16 pm



    Econ L/R -9.00 Soc L/A -6.97 Sounds exactly right to me, and when I saw their reading list for my quadrant I rejoiced to see a lot of books I`ve actually read like "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them."

    Tip, when they talk about "libertarian" in this graph they mean non authoritarian, they aren`t talking about Ron Paul. He would be somewhere in the purple quadrant (and therefore still not one of my preferred dining partners).
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7752 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    You just knew 5cats was going to analyse every word.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7752 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    Gerry`s results are a long time coming. He`s not broken the test has he?
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    Nageki Male 30-39
    110 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    I think some of you may be confusing the "Libertarian Party" with the libertarian on the chart... They are different things. Just so you all know.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    Economic Left/Right: 4.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

    I have a few problems with these questions too, Andrew155.

    And lol at QueenZira`s score. SHOCKING.
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    DaPhreak Male 18-29
    14 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    Economic Left/Right: 1.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    Pooptart, U jealous bro?

    Having dinner with Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu would be simply fantastic, now if only I can get it arranged...
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
    841 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    I had to take a more authoritarian reading with this test. The one about businesses being penalized for misleading... the answer is no. Fraud, yes, but not misleading. The question didn`t say anything about fraud.
  104. Profile photo of CreamK
    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    Nu surprises:

    Economic Left/Right: -6.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67
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    beternal Male 18-29
    2589 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    lol, I`m practically dead centre (but closer to the Dalai Lama)
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 6:42 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -5.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33
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    Sonsglow Male 18-29
    201 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -8.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00
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    pacojohnson Male 18-29
    16 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -2.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62
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    BritInvasion Male 18-29
    311 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -5.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 7:26 pm
    Squirlz

    I think you may have bit off quite a bit to chew with this chart man. We`re looking at 75+ responses already.
  111. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    @ HolyGod: I`m on it! =^.^= I`ve got 53 plotted in Excel already and it`s looking pretty neat. If we break 100 participants, I may need to separate the data into an "A Team" of more frequent contributors and a "B Team" of less frequent contributors for the sake of legibility. But I`ll avoid that if I possibly can.

    I`m still looking for data from a few of the big guns around here: Gerry, CrakrJak, OldOllie, Emmettyville, Kitteh9Lives, LikeIGiveAsh, PeppyPrep, DavyMid, and Fancy, to name just a few off the top of my head.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    Squirlz

    Ollie is right +20, authoritarian +20. Go ahead and put it on.
    ;)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    LOL--You made me laugh much earlier in the day, too, when you said we needed Ollie`s input to determine what the right-most limit is.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:42 pm
    @ HolyGod: Here`s an idea. I bet we can convince Ollie to participate if we promise to label the lower left quadrant "LIBERAL F*CKTARDS."

    In all seriousness, without his data, this chart will be like one hand clapping. Where is that crazy man?! =^.^=
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    utlanning07 Male 18-29
    61 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    Economic Left/Right: -1.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    Squrlz4Sale

    And where THE F.UCK is Markust123? I haven`t seen him in a long time. He didn`t even say goodbye. I feel jilted.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    Squirlz

    I`m pretty sure Ollie has "LIBERAL F*CKTARDS" trademarked. You now owe him a dollar.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    The questions were pretty obviously loaded, so I took a pass.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:13 pm
    "Markust123"

    Or MADEST!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:19 pm
    auburnjunky

    Madest has been gone for a looonnngggg time. I just noticed Markust hasn`t been around in a while.
  121. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm
    Please, Ollie? It`s just for fun and I don`t think anyone`s going to read too much into it. You`re perfectly free, of course, to announce you find the results bogus.

    Seriously, it would be really disappointing if you aren`t on the chart. It`ll be like you aren`t in the senior yearbook. =V.V=
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:31 pm
    FYI, I`ve got 70 people on the chart now (and counting). We have people in all four quadrants--some quadrants more than others, certainly, but it`s a lot more spread out than I was thinking it would be at the start.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:41 pm
    S4S, I took a much better and fairer version of the test, and I was an extreme libertarian. On a scale of 0 to 10 on liberty vs. equality, I scored a 0, and on a scale of 0 to 10 on liberty vs. order, I scored a 1 (I`m not QUITE an anarchist).

    So, feel free to stick me at the bottom just a bit right of center here.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm
    @ Ollie: Well, I`ll go that route if you`d prefer it. Give me a set of numbers though, if you would, for the X and Y axes.

    I do wish you`d take it because if it`s skewed--and I agree that it appears to be--everyone`s skewed similarly. What`s most valuable from the exercise is the relationships of where each person on the chart is in relation to their neighbors.

    I`ll be submitting the chart on Sunday with a disclaimer that it isn`t scientific, seems to have some biases, etc.

    5Cats took it. =^.^=

    ~Shamelessly, Squrlz now resorts to both groveling AND peer pressure~
  125. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 12:07 am
    Squrlz

    Since Ollie is being a crotchety old f.uck and not playing nice I decided to take the test for you as him.

    I pretended that I hadn`t gotten f.ucked since Reagan was in office and that the goddamn kids won`t get off my lawn.

    Economic Left/Right: 6.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.10

    Ollie is actually more liberal than I thought. Hmmm.
  126. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 12:22 am
    @ HolyGod: O man, I don`t wanna get in between the two of you if you`re about to go at it. I get along with Ollie. He seems to give me a pass even if I am a liberal f- ... well, you know.

    Thanks for testing as a "Proxie Ollie." Even though you`re ribbing him, I trust that you did your best to reproduce the views he`s expressed on here. So I`m good with it.

    @ Ollie: I`ll take the proxy scores from HolyGod unless you decide to take the test. If you object, let me know. This is for entertainment purposes only, and I don`t want to get anyone upset.

    Thanks you two!
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2591 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 1:34 am
    -6.75, .21
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4348 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 2:03 am
    I`m so left wing I make gandi look like hitlers butt buddy.
    economic left/right -7.25
    social libertarian/ authoritarian -6.00
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 2:09 am
    I`m not so sure about my interpretation of the questions. Are they deliberately misleading? I ran through this on 2 different days and arrived in the lower-left quadrant both times.
    I have always been accused of being a right-wing authoritarian, and the results surprise me.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4916 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 2:44 am
    We seriously need the Fancy results here.
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    nick12684 Male 18-29
    85 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 4:58 am
    I don`t get why most of you are left on the economic axis of the compass. You support freedom and choice, except when it comes to economics? There you are authoritarian and want government to control and oppress, I guess.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    4088 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 5:22 am
    Economic Left/Right: -3.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
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    Vimto Male 40-49
    2853 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 5:31 am
    Quite interesing but too many negatives in the questions making it confusing. Some of the bigger questions are fun because personal me has a different opinion to globally thinking me.

    Economic Left/Right: -4.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

    Not as far left as I was expecting.
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    Beefynick Male 18-29
    76 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 6:13 am
    Economic Left/Right: -5.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    4088 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 6:16 am
    some of the questions appeared to be more of a moral compass test but whatever it would seem we are mostly all decent humans. I suppose that`s a good thing
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    FinkStinger Male 30-39
    147 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 7:53 am
    Economic: 4.38
    Social: -7.54
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3289 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 8:04 am
    I took mine yesterday, so I don`t quite remember the numbers, but mine was
    1.75 (that I`m sure of)
    -2.43 (this one is a rough guess, I knew it was -2.25 < mine < -2.5)
    And I don`t feel like retaking the test
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    economic: -5.38

    social: -5.49
    about where I expected
  139. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    Nickel2 did you cross reference with the UK equivalents offered in the test? Remember that the "Conservative" party over yonder looks downright Liberal from an American perspective. And speaking of the UK, I would be what, a Green party member (?) if translated similarly?

    To all of you wondering what Markust would be, it`s simple really, just make him the Origin ;-)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    @Squrlz4: For all my complaining? I FORGOT to say:

    My score came out about where I expected! It`s because I "interpreted" some of the questions, eh?

    Last time the similar test was up? It came out about the same...
  141. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 8:05 pm
    @ 5Cats: No worries. I agree that the test has some flaws. I`ve finished most of the plotting and I think you`ll enjoy the result tomorrow evening (or Monday morning, whenever it`s posted by the mods). The test does seem to skew to the lower left quadrant--but we had IAB`ers all over the place and the relationship of where the IAB`ers are is really interesting: who`s left or right of whom, who are together, who`s above or below whom, etc.

    It`s been fun. I hope people take it in that spirit.

    I just wish I could get Ollie, CrakJak, Gerry, and a few other big guns on here to take it. We`ve got about 80 at this point.
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    Stormith Female 18-29
    543 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    -5.75
    -5.59

    drat business, free the people
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    Okay, S4S, I got a 7.88, -2.41 -- right alongside Milton Friedman. However, I still contend that there were WAY too many false choices in the questions.

    Beating your wife with a belt is better than using your fist. Strongly disagree? Disagree? Agree? Strongly Agree?
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
    2581 posts
    August 24, 2013 at 10:16 pm
    Just what we need, more labels and restricted thinking...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 3:03 am
    Here it is, I adjusted my answers to counter the centrist pull that I believe this test pulls toward.

    7.75, 3.9

    It still makes me look liberal. I don`t know who Mario Monti is and know I`m not akin to Angela Merkel politically.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 3:03 am
    Squrlz: I`ve taken these tests several times before. They usually make me out to be more liberal than I really am.

    I believe the questions on this particular test are weighted wrong and/or just extreme.
  147. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 3:30 am
    After perusing the results people posted, I can see that a lot of people are in the lower left quad.

    Looks like I`ll be one of the lone people in the upper right quad.

    Also, Squrlz thinks I`m a "Big Gun"? Guess I`ll take that as a compliment. :-)
  148. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    Thank you, Emmettyville, Ollie, CrakrJak, and the other recent responders. This is great.

    I`m about to begin the final version of the chart now. Anyone still interested in participating, this is the LAST CALL. I need your numbers by 4:00 PM New York City time or they won`t be on the chart, which should be going up tonight or tomorrow morning.

    @ CrakrJak: You`re definitely a big gun around here, and it was indeed intended as a compliment. I agree that this test is flawed; it definitely skews liberal and makes it difficult to score high on the authoritarian side. That said, the relationships among the IAB`er--who`s where relative to the rest: above, below, left, and right--seem valid and make the chart a lot of fun to look at. Should prompt some interesting discussion. That`s the hope, anyway. =^.^=
  149. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    Hey, what the h? I`m probably the one who got Crakr on here. Why were my postings deleted?
  150. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    @ Suicism: Thanks for that note to CrakrJak. I don`t know what happened to your posts. I saw them yesterday. Very odd. Do you still have your numbers? Can you repost them? Sorry this has happened; I honestly don`t know what`s going on.
  151. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    "Fancy, I move that we enshrine this as a sticky-post. We`ve got all the intellectual heavyweights of I-A-B present and accounted for, and a lively subject for continued debate which is already underway. This could be like a monument to the festive community which is I-A-B. It`s almost like a legacy post. We all bicker at eachother and toss names back and forth and befuddle ourselves at the outright stupidity of our opponents` point of view, but damnit we`re all intellectual, we`re all passionate and we`re all bored. So not only will you have a sentimental ideological schematic of your community at its peak, but this way new members will have an idea of what they`re getting themselves into (and a means to gauge their own political standing beforehand). I say we make this a permanent snapshot. All in favor of the motion? Say cheese."

    Anyway, 3.12, -4.92. What`dya know, I`m an anarcho-libertarian! Surprise
  152. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    I can imagine I`ve said far worse things than that on I-A-b, eh? Anyway, thanks squrlz. I tried to get Gerry on here as well but I`m sure if you track him down a little, he`ll be available for questioning. Gay republican with a foul mouth - we couldn`t have a chart without him.
  153. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    @ Suicism: Thank you. I`ve got your numbers safe in my spreadsheet now. As of now, we`ve got 83 IABers participating. Notable holdouts include Fancy, Kitteh9Lives, and Gerry. Still hoping. =^.^=
  154. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    They deleted my attempts to get Gerry here and here. Somebody`s on a rampage
  155. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    @ Suicism: Huh. Well, maybe the concern is that it`s too much. No worries. I`m pretty sure everyone who wants to participate has at this point. 83 is pretty good; I`m happy with that.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    August 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm
    Linky To The Results!
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    wellsy57 Male 50-59
    253 posts
    August 31, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    Economic: -4.88
    Social: -.26

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