Run Ins With Cops = Broken Necks And Life Support

Submitted by: 1234 3 years ago Weird

Man in handcuffs gets brutally slammed into a desk is now on life support & an 84-yr-old WW2 Vet gets a broken neck
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Male 5,620
Also, he isn`t on the list: List of surviving veterans of World War II
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Male 5,620
@turdburglar He would have been 19 when the War ended in 1947. Fighting with the Germans ended in 1945, he would have been 17. While it is possible he lied about his age to join, if he had "lied" at age 16 it may have been possible he went overseas.

(I have a history minor and studied WWII.)

I say this because he would have been in training around two months at 16 in 1944. However, it is unlikely a 16 year old could have completed the training. Now, if he had waited until age 17, he would have missed the war entirely because it was more abbreviated and took up to 2 years by the end of the war for training to complete. Which would have put his "deployment" at 1947.

Its just a matter of math. He either convinced everyone at 16 he was a full grown man, or he didn`t go to WWII. Stolen valor is common I am afraid, and hardly ever investigated.

I suggest you google Don Shipley.
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Male 4,893

Elkingo -

Apparently, Daniel J. Daley was a veteran of WWII and Vietnam. A quick online search shows it`s true. Also, this story has been picked up by dozens and dozens of news agencies, and none so far have said to the contrary. The story is 3 years old which would have made him 19 when the war ended. It was also VERY VERY VERY common for people to lie about their age so they could serve their country. There is reason they are called the greatest generation.

I realize that an online search doesn`t make me an expert, and definitely doesn`t make me right...but I`ll wager that you did far less research before you confidently declared "He was not a WWII veteran."
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Male 5,620
@drworm2002 - even if the story was 3 years old, he would have not been old enough to serve in WWII. He was not a WWII veteran.
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Male 4,893

oobaka - Just keeping it simple for a simpleton.
Dude had handcuffs on. He was already restrained.
How does running your mouth to a cop warrant this kind of action?

You act like there is no possible course of action between asking nicely and beating the guy`s head into a coma.

We pay these fu#kers to do a job like professionals, and not take it personal. Don`t bother with the "it was a accident" garbage. He was trying to hurt him. Maybe not quite so bad, but that definitely was no accident.
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Male 5,620
tedgp -- You are right. He would have been like 16 at the end of WWII. Stolen valor, maybe?
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Male 662
Tedgp...this story is a few years old.
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Male 2,384
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Male 1,208
@ turdburglar - I am sad excuse for people?
I would continue type like Frankenstein, Tarzan or Tonto but it hard.
Anyhooo...The first guy didn`t deserve to get messed up THAT bad but it was an accident. If he hadn`t done whatever he did to end up in jail AND if he had followed tho officers instructions, he`d probably be at home right now.
As for the 84 year old. He drove to a bar. He parked his car illegally. He was drinking. He put his hands on an officer. I have no pity for someone so f*cking stupid.
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Male 2,711
@tedgp
My dad joined when he was 17. My mom`s brother joined when he was 16 and was killed right after turning 17. This 84-year-old might`ve joined early 1945 at the age of 16?
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Male 4,893

tedgp - Americans had pride in those days. There is good reason they are called "the greatest generation". Many lied about their age to join the military early. That`s my guess.
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Male 3,285
How is he a WW2 vet at 84 years old? The math doesnt work.
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Female 2,691
If two cops can`t control their emotions when faced with a mouthy old man, they`re no good to the force. Fire them.
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Male 37,910

[quote]"Dealing with detainees is the same whether you are in the military, the police, or an orderly in a psychiatric ward. "[/quote]
Completely asinine statement.
The military is dealing with enemy combatants. They do not have the same rights as civilians within our borders.

The police are dealing with the people they are sworn to protect. Including protecting their civil rights of due process. Totally different scenarios.
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Male 4,893

robswindol - He was wearing handcuffs.
He was detained and not a threat.
A little verbal abuse doesn`t deserve this.
Now he is on life support fighting for his life. How can you say they didn`t go to far?
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Male 2,357
[quote]Dealing with detainees is the same whether you are in the military, the police, or an orderly in a psychiatric ward.[/quote]
By this logic, someone should go through the same progressions whether detaining an Islamic radical or a 12/yo little girl who forgot to get a permit for her lemonade stand.

While the principles may be the same, the progression of action need not be. Police officers should not be expected, let alone allowed, to behave the same way as military forces. Police should be expected to treat citizens as misguided citizens - instead of enemies - until the point the citizen becomes an enemy. A drunk, annoying, pain-in-the-ass citizen is not an enemy; nor is a belligerent old man.
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Male 2,514
[quote]I get what you`re saying here, but, police are not, and should not behave as, military personnel. [/quote]

Dealing with detainees is the same whether you are in the military, the police, or an orderly in a psychiatric ward. The fact is, the exact same principles apply.
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Male 37,910

Somewhere along the road, police forgot to use ONLY as much force as necessary to enforce compliance. Not to go to MAXIMUM FORCE as a first option. They`re supposed to be trained in this stuff. Who does the training? World Wide Wresting Federation?
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Male 2,579
The last time I dealt with the cops they called me and my friend "subjects".
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Male 755
I think these days in all countries the police are becoming a para military force. No longer your friendly neighbourhood cop/bobby. Look at what they wear now. I bet they even refer to the public y`now us ordinary types as civillians.
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Male 2,357
@RobSwindol

[quote]When I was in the military, I had to learn how to detain someone.[/quote]
I get what you`re saying here, but, police are not, and should not behave as, military personnel.

A US citizen should not be treated in the same manner as an enemy combatant or a foreign national. Policing forces, since they deal with US citizens, should be held to a much higher level of professional responsibility than military forces.

I`m not saying they should have put a bunch of down pillows on the floor beforehand, but their reactions were clearly disproportionate. Police should be expected to exhaust every attempt for non-violent resolution before jumping right into `slam them on the ground` mode.

We would do well to remember that even belligerent, drunken fools are US citizens.
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Male 550
First video - just sad that he hit his head. Do I think the cops over reacted? Yes. Were the cops in the right? Technically yes.
The second one, while the cop is technically in the right, IT`S AN 84 YEAR OLD MAN!! LETS USE OUR BRAIN A LITTLE BIT HERE! That cop is a fuqing pussy and a bully and can go FUQ himself! FUQ him and anyone who`s defending that P.O.S.
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Male 2,514
Turdburglar, take a look at the first video again. It starts off with the police officer telling the guy that they wouldn`t have to be rough if he had listened to them. This tells me that the guy was antagonizing the cops before the video started. Then, at about 15 seconds, they specifically tell him the if he doesn`t do what they tell him, they will put him down. The guy`s response was "I Don`t Give A Fuq!"

When I was in the military, I had to learn how to detain someone. What most people don`t realize is that if you, as the detainer, allow the detainee to act out, they will only get worse. Once you give them an inch of leeway, they immediately think they can take a mile. So taking someone down like this isn`t so much to punish the detainee for their non-compliance, but as a preventive measure to reestablish that detainer/detainee relationship and prevent more aggressive resistance from the detainee.
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Male 4,893

oobaka - You are sad excuse for people. First guy was in cuffs. He was running his mouth, but there is no reason to deserve that. Other guy was 84. Seriously..84.

Guess what. If these cops were professionals, they would have done their job correctly and both would be healthy today.
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Male 2,514
And I would just like to point out that I`m not a fan of cops. But I witnessed nothing unjustified in these videos. At least in the first video we got to see what happened. But we have no idea what really happened to the second man. That witness could have very well over-dramatized the story.
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Male 2,514
First video:
The dumbass shouldn`t have been resisting and yelling at the cops. He seemed drunk and quite disorderly, so I actually think their use of force was commensurate. It was more of a fluke that the guy busted the poo out of his had. But once again, he did give them reason to use such force.

Second Video:
Where do news organizations get this idea that a war veteran should be given special allowances?

Also, how the fuq does a man put both hands on another mans shoulders in a "non threatening way"? Assaulting a police officer is quite stupid, regardless of your age or what war you happened to fight in.
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Male 376
That first guy did look like he was trying to bend his knees like the cop was ordering him to do, which has to be difficult when you`re being pressed against a wall.
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Male 1,208
Guess what. If both of these people had listened to and obeyed the police officers instead of resisting, both would be healthy today.
What do people expect? The officers tell you to do something and you don`t do it...are they expected to say please? Pretty please with sugar on top?
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Male 809
Link: Run Ins With Cops = Broken Necks And Life Support [Rate Link] - Man in handcuffs gets brutally slammed into a desk is now on life support & an 84-yr-old WW2 Vet gets a broken neck
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