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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 8:36 am
    Link: Man Fired For Marrying His Boyfriend - Right or Wrong IAB? You be the judge.
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    pumba62 Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:07 am
    My question would be if one of the hetro teachers at the school suddenly had an article written about how they have some sort of bizarre fetish ( not that being gay is a fetish) , would they be fired?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I`m on the fence.
    Religions should be allowed to do what their faith teaches, but on the other hand if a church opens a for-profit business like a school don`t they have to abide by the same employer rules everyone else does?

    Like I said, I`m on the fence.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:42 am
    @pumba62 better do some weird poo that was in the bible.

    seems the school didnt have a problem with him being gay, just wanted to protect their image. personally i think there are about 1000 problems with the education system which need to be dealt with before who a good teacher sleeps with at night.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:42 am
    *better yet
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:45 am
    Gerry101

    i`d sugest you get of that fence quicksmart. Unless you think genital mutilation, female inequality, stoning, withholding vacinations from children and so and so is okay. i mean what is good for one religion, right?

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:56 am
    "A gay teacher at a Catholic high school"

    I read this, and stopped, because my question was answered.

    Religions should be allowed to practice their faith, right or wrong.

    Pumba: If it was against the teachings of the church, I`m sure they would be.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:58 am
    Mr. Orange:

    Those are human rights violations, and supersede religious freedom.

    Marriage isn`t a right for gays or straights.
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    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:58 am
    @pumba62

    I know that several teachers in Ontario have been fired for less that some bizarre fetish. There are women who have been fired for posting bikini pics on facebook and men who have been fired for not leaving a bar when their underage students showed up.

    @Gerry101

    I`m right there on the fence with you. In Canada both religion and sexual orientation are included in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as protected status. A homosexual should not be forced to lose his job but on the same token a Catholic school should not be forced to employ a teacher who does not follow their value.

    I think in this situation the best case scenario would be for the teacher to move on and find a job elsewhere. Right or not, why would you want to work for an employer that doesn`t accept who you are? Go find a nice Anglican school where you will be welcome!
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    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 10:00 am
    Oh, and to be clear about the way it works in Canada, there is no "supercedes" one right or another. Everything in the Charter is weighted equally. It is just as much a violation of your rights to discriminate against homosexuality as it is to force a religion to act contrary to their beliefs. There is no such thing as "this right is more serious and ranked higher than that right".
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2013 at 10:15 am
    I think that homosexuality ought to be a protected class like race, religion and gender. As such, I don`t think a public or private company should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation any more than they can on the other classes.

    Could the Catholic school say, "Well, you didn`t look it, but we found out you via your FB family reunion pics that you are black, so we`re firing you."? Why should a religious employer get protection over a non-religious employer to be allowed to discriminate? It`s not like this man did anything wrong or illegal. At all. When he does, get back to me.

    There is no fence here. This is discrimination. An there MOST CERTAINLY is no "fetish" here. The man got married for drat`s sake.
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    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Sounds wrong, but it`s not and here`s why:
    "While the school does not discriminate against teachers or other school employees based on their private lifestyle choices, public displays of behavior that are directly contrary to church teachings are inconsistent with these values," the statement reads. "These values are incorporated into the contractual obligations of each of our instructors and other employees."
    He signed a contract when he accepted employment at the school. It`s sad, but they were well within their rights.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 10:42 am
    @auburnjunky

    so Mormons should be allowed to have more then one wife? the reason why i bring up that point is.. there are plenty of times where the law overrules religion. (i`m no law expert so i can`t give reffernces, i`m sure someone can) such as equal rights for women, the right to wear pants, Medical care for the underaged (we have a religious group here that believes that if it`s the lords will, then that`s that) but on the other hand some backwards practrices such as male gender multilations are allowed under the guise of religious freedom. For me as an atheist. it`s hard to see the logic behind the reasoning at times as to what is religious freedom and what is human rights.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    My google-fu is lacking, can someone find the paper where his pictures were originally released?

    He definitely wasn`t fired for being gay, he was fired for being in the paper promoting something that his employer doesn`t support. Not that it matters, but I`m wondering if the newspaper mentioned his job?

    I believe that they were within their rights to fire him regardless. But would it change any of y`all`s opinion if the article had mentioned his job at the Catholic School?
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:23 pm

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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    He definitely wasn`t fired for being gay, he was fired for being in the paper promoting something that his employer doesn`t support. Not that it matters, but I`m wondering if the newspaper mentioned his job?

    @Jades, that`s how I read it too but it doesn`t suit the gay agenda or the PC crowd trying to look hip to hear the truth.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    auburnjunky, "Religions should be allowed to practice their faith, right or wrong"
    I agree, but what if the church opens a for-profit business? Do they get special privilege or do they have to follow the same hiring practices everyone else does?

    Just a question, I`m not sure about this one myself yet.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Church teachings? Never mind lawyers, this guy needs some bad-ass theologions on his case. They are probably cheaper than lawyers and a lot more down and dirty.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    @Gerry1of1

    I grew up in the talk radio culture, so I understand what the crazies are doing when they blow things out of proportion. Sometimes, we need to look at the extremes to help us focus on the narrow.

    Several religions have dietary restrictions on how food must be prepared. If I open a restaurant that caters to one of these faiths, I need to be sure that my employees at the very least respect these restrictions. I will not hire an atheist who posts on Facebook how he thinks that all religion is stupid.

    Even if he follows my rules, and the dietary restrictions of the faith that my business is catering to, he`s creating an image that can be tied to my business, that flies in the face of what I`m trying to present.

    Granted, there are differences in the examples, but I am going a step beyond to help focus and frame the point.

    Do I, as a business owner, have a right to act in the best interest of my business` clients and reputation with
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    (continued... 1000 char max is surprisingly limiting)

    ...my hiring and firing practices?
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    auburnjunky

    `Religions should be allowed to practice their faith, right or wrong.`

    OK. Let`s see how that works. Sharia anyone?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    @LordJim:

    Like I said before, barring human rights violations.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    "so Mormons should be allowed to have more then one wife?"

    Well, they don`t condone that in their doctrine. They dropped it like 80 or 90 years ago.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    @ JadesDitoyr - if I understand your example of a restaurant with religious dietary restrictions... If you were to open a kosher restaurant you would expect your Mexican dishwasher to keep kosher at home.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    @Gerry:

    I think it depends on if it`s a private or public entity.

    There are still black only and white only clubs. The caveat is that they are private invite only establishments so segregation laws don`t apply.

    There`s a country club near me (Shoal Creek) that was famously white only until recently, when they voluntarily changed their policy to allow Tiger Woods and Condaleeza Rice membership.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    "If you were to open a kosher restaurant you would expect your Mexican dishwasher to keep kosher at home."

    No, but he better not come to work with pork on his hands.

    That guy came to work with gay on his marriage. Sorry for the analogy lol.

    I`m a supporter of gay marriage by the way guys. Don`t get me wrong.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    @Lord Jim

    Technically, Sharia is a school of Law and not a Religion in and of itself. It is derived from the Islamic Faith and its holy texts, but cannot exist in a vacuum void of Islam.

    Just as one can be Jewish without following the Levitical Laws, one can be Islamic without following Sharia law.

    But, ignoring that, should someone be allowed to practice their faith and follow Sharia Law?

    In Western Culture, because culture can be described in hemispheres, yes. So long as everyone involved consents to it.

    If I, as a Christian, consent to following Sharia (why would I?), then sure. I can be killed, ransomed, or enslaved. (I believe those are the options, I could grab my Qu`ran but I don`t care enough to look it up.) By traveling to a country or region, I consent to their laws. I take that responsibility myself.

    Just as others consent to follow American (or English, or French, or Canadian) Laws when they travel here (or to the
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    `barring human rights violations.`

    Defined by? Probably not the violated. But gotta respect that relgion.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    JadesDitoyr,

    That was a bit incoherent. You want to back up and try again?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    @LordJim: The local government, or the United Nations, or whoever defines human rights.

    I mean, who has that job?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    Marriage is not a right, so I don`t know where you`re going with this in the context of this conversation.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    `or whoever defines human rights. `

    OK, as long as we are clear.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
    841 posts
    August 3, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    @Gerry1of1

    Nope, what he does in the privacy of his own home is fine. Heck, should he go to a BBQ competition and not follow kosher laws, its fine.

    I expect him to treat kosher laws with respect at all times. If a journalist interviews him at the BBQ competition and points out that he`s not following the laws, the correct answer is not "And? They`re silly."

    I`d have just as much issue if he went to an Anti-Semetic protest as well. My clients are presumably Jewish (because we`re talking about a kosher restaurant), and might decide not to visit my business. He might be perfectly cordial during business hours, but his public declaration planted the seed of doubt.

    Its the public declaration that causes the problem. If he does something that dissuades clients from giving me their money, in a forum where they are likely to see it, he has acted against the interests of my business.

    Now, I`m far much more likely to hire someone who d
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    @Gerry,
    I would agree with your point about a for-profit business except that this business is specifically intended for giving Catholic children a Catholic oriented education, including not just math and reading but Catholic values as well. If they opened a local convenience store, for instance, I think they would have to deal with it. In other words, I think that even though it`s for-profit it`s still, essentially, a religious institution.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    @LordJim

    Sharia is not a Religion, it is a set of laws that are a piece of Islam but not a Religion on their own. You can practice one without the other.

    However, absolutely you should be allowed to follow the laws that your religion requires. Both sets of laws (your religious laws, and the national laws) apply, so you add extra restrictions upon yourself.

    Sharia Laws by nature try to make all nations adopt them as national laws. Until that happens, the national laws apply.

    So long as you understand this, you`re fine.

    Maybe it is easier for me to understand, living in the States, because we have tiered legislation already. Each state has its own laws. Living in Texas, you are subject to both Texas and Federal Law. Adding Sharia to that just adds more restrictions.

    If I must break Texas/Federal Law for Sharia, I must be willing to suffer the consequences. Just as by accepting Sharia Law, I must be willing to accept the conse
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Catholic schools have had a sort of "don`t ask, don`t tell" policy around here for ages, and gay people who want to keep their jobs best act damn straight on the job. I know a gay teacher at such a school and he is so closeted, he won`t even admit his orientation to himself.
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    EmagehtmaI Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    Is it right? No. But he did work for a CATHOLIC school. If he had a contract that more or less stated that he had to act within the guidelines of the schools code of conduct, then there`s nothing he can do. Remember the Catholic Church`s official stance on homosexuality is its okay to be gay as long as you don`t act on those feelings. So introducing his partner at a school function might be seen as quite different than making the papers.

    At my job, we have a no drugs or alcohol policy. They don`t care if you drink outside the job, but they also tell you to change your clothes before heading out for drinks, because if you`re spotted at a bar in uniform with your name tag still on, you`re in violation of the alcohol free workplace policy. I imagine this is a similar deal.

    As far as I`m aware, there are still several states where you can. be fired for being gay. Period. Is California one of them?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Notre Dame is a Catholic School.
    Could they fire a gay office clerk?
    What about a black one the church taught segregation {some do}?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    LOL @ auburnjunky "he better not come to work with pork on his hands"
    55555
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    @anyone saying it`s okay because of catholic beliefs--

    What, so it`s okay to discriminate just because your religion says so? I`m sorry, but no. Just no, flat out and unqualified.

    I could give an analogy, but I won`t. It`s just wrong.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Mormons own American Express.
    Can they fire their gay employees?

    Just askin`.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    @Gerry1of1

    He wasn`t fired because he was gay, though. They knew that and accepted him despite of it. He was terminated as a result of the marriage ceremony. I didn`t see the initial newspaper article, but I wouldn`t be surprised if the article was a contributing factor.

    I`ll go a step beyond, I wouldn`t be surprised if the article was the only reason. Publicity like that can create controversy, putting the business in the situation where they have to either A) alienate their clients or B) alienate the gay community. Like any business, the answer should be to protect their income.

    If any employee is putting a company`s bottom line at risk, that company has the right to terminate that employee.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    Suppose a local school had a kindergarten teacher who dressed like this every day:



    Fire her or not?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    While I think it`s poisonous to society {religion}, a church has to be free to express it`s faith, even if it`s hating on people. As long as the school is on church grounds and not a for-profit off-site place then I`m okay with the church firing the guy for getting married. I wonder if they`d fire a hetero teacher who married outside their faith.

    BUT.... once they open a business, like insurance or credit cards, they are no longer a church and no longer protected.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:16 pm
    As wrong as I believe it is to fire someone for being gay or getting married ... you`re a gay teacher in a Catholic school, dumbass. It`s a private school, it`s a religious school, and your lifestyle violates what they believe, and I believe they even have the right to fire you over this. You had no business ever taking a job there ffs.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 10:25 pm
    Everybody has the right to be miserable!
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    2L82Pray Female 30-39
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    August 4, 2013 at 1:27 am
    So what they`re saying is, You can do whatever you want, even though you`re a Private CATHOLIC School Teacher...just don`t get caught doing it. Kind of like, it`s ok for Priests to molest little boys, just don`t let anyone find out
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2013 at 2:08 am
    It`s a private Catholic school they can hire and fire anyone, at anytime, for any reason, or no reason at all.

    But seriously, he must`ve known the potential repercussions beforehand.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2013 at 6:39 am
    I think both he and you guys are mistaken as to why he was discharged.

    -The organization new he had a partner for 10 or more years.
    -He got hitched, photos were in the paper.

    There is only one reason for a private school to want to part with him:
    The number of `parent complaints with threat to withdraw` equated to a value of tuition greater than his own ability to attract student enrollment.
    Virtually any other reason not related to his performance or attendance may be seen as a rights violation. So, they may also have concluded the expense of a suit is also outweighed by tuition.

    That or it`s just a knee-jerk reaction by some administrator who`s competence is now in question.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2013 at 6:45 am
    Cats, he`s not wearing his gayness on his sleeve by telling people `you should be gay!!`
    People that knew him didn`t know for nearly ten years until he showed up some time and introduced the guy as his partner.

    That says he was keepin` it to himself.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    August 4, 2013 at 6:00 pm
    It may be wrong ethically to fire him, but legally it is their right. I think it`s BS though.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 4, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    Cats, he`s not wearing his gayness on his sleeve
    Oooo! Nice one @CodeJockey! +1!
    (See, the Nazi girl wears her politics... on her sleeve! Literally.)

    If he was hired with them knowing he was gay, it was probably on the understanding that he KEEP it quiet. Putting it in the local paper, while his right, also gives them a valid excuse to fire him.
    Really? They shouldn`t have hired him in the first place, which is ALSO discrimination.
    Forcing a religion to hire someone outside their faith? Who violates their doctrine?

    It`s lose-lose all around.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    August 5, 2013 at 8:46 am
    Interesting points here. I am a Catholic and I do not believe in gay marriage. No need to debate, you won`t convince me and I won`t convince you. Why should an institution keep on someone whose lifestyle is in direct contranst to their beliefs? I think the school has every right to do what they did. I could be let go from my job at any time for pretty much no reason at all. Sucks to be me. All that said, I don`t think I agree with the decision. I think there should be a place in the Catholic church for gays because there should be a place in the church for all who seek God. What that is, I don`t know, but it seems hypocritical for a Catholic institution to turn any people away who seek the Lord.

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