In Favor Of Gun Control? [Pic]

Submitted by: SweepOfDeath 4 years ago in Misc

You"re a lover not a fighter.
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Male 14,331
[quote]The difference between an unarmed man and a man with a rifle is diddly squat if he`s going up against a government with tanks, jets, nukes, etc. [/quote]

Except for the examples I gave that you danced around..... I hope it`d never come down to that but it beats the crap out of bending over and just letting it happen. Now tell me how revolution are alway a clear cut fight between civs and the army.
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Male 2,850
@OldOllie

"When the revolution comes, they`re not going to fight for the left; they`ll be on OUR side."

1: They`re trained to follow their orders. Are you saying the American military is not well-trained?
2: Right-wing extremism can exist too, and we both know that when a government gets truly extreme, the actual flavour of the government becomes rather meaningless; it`s so far removed from its milder cousins as to be completely unrelated.
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Male 15,832
[quote]OldOllie, you cannot compare a fascist form of government with a liberal one.[/quote]
What do you mean I cannot? I just did! Of course Hitler and the Nazis opposed Stalin and the Communists. They were just two big dogs fighting over the same bone. Their political philosophies, however, were nearly identical: boss people around and take their stuff. Both ended up exterminating millions of people. What`s so different about them?

Yes, I know your liberal teachers told you that Nazis and communists are opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I`m telling you that`s bull$#!+. They`re the same damned thing.

The difference between communists, socialists, Nazi`s, fascists, progressives, and liberals is like the difference between vanilla, natural vanilla, home-style vanilla, French vanilla, hand-cranked vanilla, and soft-serve vanilla.
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Male 15,832
@Musuko42, you forgot one thing. The vast majority of the military are conservatives. Why else do you think the Democrats try to disenfranchise them every election?

When the revolution comes, they`re not going to fight for the left; they`ll be on OUR side.
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Male 662
It wasn`t Hitler that started it. It was in place before Hitler took power.
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Male 2,850
@McGovern1981

"it make it a lot easier when no one but the government you command is armed."

The difference between an unarmed man and a man with a rifle is diddly squat if he`s going up against a government with tanks, jets, nukes, etc.

As I said before, if I were a tyrant, I`d encourage people to keep their guns as a security blanket; they`d be under the delusion that their gun is keeping them safe from me oppressing them.

"Now tell me how well that helped prevent mass shootings in Norway again?"

They`ve had one mass shooting (that I know of). Your country has had scores of them. So really, it`s worked pretty well for them in general.

"Having offshore oil and strong immigration control is why Scandinavian countries top lists."

Gasp! It`s almost like you`re admitting that gun control isn`t a primary factor in how how utopian a society is!
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Female 688
There`s a lot of gun control laws on the books, why don`t we enforce those instead of trying to revoke a right. Just because a law is created doesn`t mean people will abide by it unless they are required to and unless they know that there are serious sanctions will be a result. Yes, I know, if serious sanctions were sufficient to stop people from breaking the law, then there would be no criminals, but the people who are against the revokation of the gun rights are, by a majority of the amount, law abiding citizens who would follow laws if they knew about the sanctions.
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Male 4
I can never understand why the gun nuts always point to Nazi Germany as a great example of why everyone should have guns.

The majority of the population supported Hitler. So it would have been better that the Hitler supporting majority had more guns? To do what? Kill more jews? Fight allied troops coming to end the Nazi regime?

I get the idea that you want more guns to defend your basic human rights, but using Nazi Germany as your lead example is just stupid.
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Male 14,331
[quote]So it`s up to you to now establish that gun control leads to tyranny.[/quote]

I never said it did but it make it a lot easier when no one but the government you command is armed. Pretty common sense stuff here......

[quote]or that gun-control leads to utopian societies (Scandinavian countries with heavy gun control tend to top all kinds of "best country" lists, as an example).[/quote]

Utopia dose not or will ever exist you`re showing your logic..... Now tell me how well that helped prevent mass shootings in Norway again?

Having offshore oil and strong immigration control is why Scandinavian countries top lists.
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Male 2,850
@McGovern1981

"Vietnam, Lybia, and Afgahniastan(80`s) those all started with samll arms"

And all dictators started with a mother and a father.

You`ve established correlation. Now please explain the causation. Tyrannies have gun control. But non-tyrannical societies also have gun control. Tyrannies and non-tyrannies also have pie and pumpkins and socks. None of it means anything unless gun-control (or socks) were the SOLE preserve of tyrannies. And they are most definitely not.

So it`s up to you to now establish that gun control leads to tyranny. Because I can equally claim that socks leads to tyranny (most tyrannical leaders wore socks), or that gun-control leads to utopian societies (Scandinavian countries with heavy gun control tend to top all kinds of "best country" lists, as an example).
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Male 14,331
It would really depend on what we`re talking about and it`d be hard to put a good percentage on as I didn`t survey the US pop the 47% thing is how many people depend on some sort of welfare a Romney election remark pun.
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Male 892
@McGovern

I was sincerely curious and not trying to troll.
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Male 14,331
@Rodin

47% ROFL! I was more refering to coutries who think guns are the problem.
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Male 892
McGovern -- What percentage of the American public do you feel is brainwashed?
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Male 14,331
Vietnam, Lybia, and Afgahniastan(80`s) those all started with samll arms ssure there`s more going off the top of my head. So now following your logic you should just roll over and allow it then huh? Oh just thought of another no outcome yet it`s called Syria......not a big fan of either side though.
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Male 2,850
@McGovern1981

"actually history has shown these things have happened and worked"

Please cite your examples.
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Male 14,331
[quote]And ultimately, don`t you think a clever tyranny would reassure and distract you by allowing you to keep your woefully useless guns (remember: tanks, jets, nukes), so you are under the false impression that you can stop them if you chose to? [/quote]

No they do it by brainwashing you to think they give a f**k about you under the guise of this is for your saftey and mama government ios your friend. Sound familiar?

as for a people fighting again everything you say when was it ever that clear cut and actually history has shown these things have happened and worked......who`s brainwashed again?
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Male 2,850
If it has got to the point where you`re trying to defend your liberty with a rifle against a tyrannical government armed with jets, tanks, missiles and nukes, you have already lost the fight.

Liberty is best preserved by preventing tyranny in the first place, and that`s best achieved by staying alert and informed, and doing your best not to vote tyranny into power.

Guns are the last resort, not the first. If you have to reach for a gun, then you`ve utterly, utterly failed.

And ultimately, don`t you think a clever tyranny would reassure and distract you by allowing you to keep your woefully useless guns (remember: tanks, jets, nukes), so you are under the false impression that you can stop them if you chose to?

Hell, if I were a tyrant, that`s what I`d do: convince my oppressed masses to cling to some useless tool that makes them *think* they had power and influence, to distract them away from any *actual* method of threatening my control.
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Male 26
I always find it funny when Hitler`s picture is associated with gun control. Guns were illegal in Germany until Hitler was elected. He removed most of the gun controls placed on the citizens after WWI and allowed private ownership again.
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Male 6,077
djwajda,
Are you actually saying that WW1 and WW2 were started by the US? Wow! That`s really stupid! Now, let`s revisit the Conservative who pulled us out of Vietnam: One of Nixon`s promises was to get us out of Vietnam. He waited until it was time to run for re-election before he started to actually do so. Before then he expanded the war tremendously and had us bombing in Laos and Cambodia. In other words, he illegally expanded the war into 2 uninvolved sovereign nations. These actions have a name. They are called "acts of war". Also, while Democrats are certainly more liberal than Conservatives, they are not the equivalent of Liberals - that`s a different party, pretty much in the same way that Conservatives and Nazis are from different parties (despite Ollie`s constant comparison of Liberals and Nazis).
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Male 6,077
"Liberalism means bossing people around and taking their stuff."

Um...actually, that`s imperialism. As far as bossing people around? Well, everyone, it seems, tries that to some extent. If you haven`t noticed that among the conservatives, Ollie, you`re being perposefully blind. Also, I see far more parallels between consevatives and Nazis than the Liberal/Nazi connection you keep making. Remember that saying over and over, no matter how loudly, doesn`t have a chance of making it true, even if you do manage to actually convince someone.
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Male 133
Hey CrakrJak, we have huge gun control here in Australia. Yet isnt it the USA that has the ability to strike civilian targets with drones, spy on your internet and phone usage, over the top security at airports and other stupid laws taking away your rights? But hey, you got your guns to defend those... umm... what where you saying?
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Male 17,511
After they take away guns from the citizenry there is simply nothing left in the way of a government taking away the rest of your rights as well.

If you can`t defend your rights, then they technically become privileges and can be easily taken away.

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Male 14,331
@lauriloo

Here`s the problem with your "false equivalency" Every crazy nut leader Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and ect the first thing they did when trying to get complete control of their population was to disarm them. It`s a pattern that can`t be disputed it`s a fact. Abortion well no not so much there absolutely no pattern.
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Male 1,059
DP, I wouldn`t say Hitler was aligned with Bolshevik ideals, but he was definitely a Statist. Statism is what Communism devolves into when it becomes apparent that the Bolshevik ideals can`t work due to their inherent immorality and reliance upon suppressing human nature. The paths are slightly different, but the result is the same - State control, which is decidedly a leftist form of government. The extreme to the right is to go too far in the direction of individual liberty, i.e. anarchy in the original sense of the word, meaning no government at all. The only truly right-wing extreme society I can think of would be ancient Norse society where there were really no laws at all and feuds and revenge killings were a way of life. Certainly not good, but definitely not fascist. Fascism is just a different form of leftist, statist government, and unfortunately, exactly what we`re headed toward in the U.S. today.
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Male 892
The point of Godwin`s law is not that Hitler was a fictional character. It`s people throw the word "Nazi" and "Hitler" around willi-nilli thinking that it`s a trump card argument. It`s been so over used and is so over-the-top that you can`t come back to a rational discussion, that began in the first place.
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Male 892
Hitler did support gun control but he was also a vegetarian. Nazi Germany developed the torch relay for the modern Olympics, which the US has done for every Olympics ever since.
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Female 29
OldOllie, you cannot compare a fascist form of government with a liberal one. Saying the root of the two is the same is ridiculous, and saying Hitler was `leftist` in any way aligns him with Bolshevik ideals, to which he was strongly opposed.
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Male 15,832
To all you libs, just because we ENTERED a war does not mean we started it, e.g., Hitler, not Roosevelt, started WW II, and Hitler was a leftist. Saddam started both Iraq wars, and he, too, was a leftist. The war in Syria is two groups of leftists fighting to see who gets to boss the other side around and take their stuff.

When I say liberals (leftist) start all the wars, I`m not just talking about American wars; I`m talking about all the wars in the history of the world. It`s all about bossing people around and taking their stuff, i.e., liberalism.
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Male 15,832
@Rodin [quote]This makes him an idiot?[/quote]
Yes, as a matter of fact, it does.

Hitler was not a fictional character. He was not a bad guy in a movie or a comic book. He was a real person, and he led a real country into committing real atrocities. If we dismiss any observations of similarities between his actions and the actions of present-day leaders simply because of the pontifications of an idiot like Godwin, we run the very real risk of repeating history.

When liberals call for gun control, and someone points out that Hitler instituted strict gun control in Germany, you stick your fingers in your ears and chant, "Godwin`s Law, Godwin`s Law, la la la la la!" That will do you a lot of good when the goon squads come to your door, and you`ve got nothing but your dick in your hand.
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Male 40,739
Democrats Started: Libya, Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Bosnia, Cuba, Serbia, World War 1 AND World War 2

Republicans started: Grenada, Phillipines, Panama, Nicaragua.

BOTH Parties agreed on: Persian Gulf = UN Mandate!
Afghanistan = Both supported.
Iraq II = Both supported.

Score so far? D=9 R=4 with Ties=3

And I haven`t even checked Wiki for a list of America`s Military actions yet...

List Is Here! Extensive!

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Male 892
The jpfo.org has some great articles. Such as:

Ted Nugent vs. a deluded Jewish congresswoman.

The Ten Commandments, Killing, and Murder.

Violence solves a lot.

The Canadians are Coming! The Canadians are Coming!

And more -- These guys are like the jewish KKK.

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Male 1,741
@djwajda

Ah, my misunderstanding then. =)
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Male 883
@bliznik

[quote]SO HOW many WARS have liberals STARTED[/quote]


My response to that silly question was to show that in fact liberals have started wars. I never at any point stated that one side started more/less than the other.
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Male 892
@ OldOllie

Godwin`s law (also known as Godwin`s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin`s Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

From Wikipedia.

This makes him an idiot?
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Male 1,741
I do have to say that I really liked Republicans up until Eisenhower. After Nixon and Regan, the entire Republican party redefined itself into the party of "I`m going to stand for the opposite of whatever you stand for"
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Male 1,741
Not exactly sure how this went from gun control to who started the most wars. But here are the wars started by Republicans:

Afghanistan and Iraq - George Bush Junior

Panama and Persian Gulf - George Bush Senior

Nicaragua - Calvin Coolidge

Spanish-American War and Phillipine Insurrection - William McKinley

...I could keep going, but then I`d be citing Lincoln, who is more like today`s Democrats than today`s Republicans.
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Male 4,891

lauriloo - You consistently chime in with the most asinine arguments when it comes to gun control.

If the topis were my little pony, how to suck a mean D, or dealing with menstrual cramps...I would stay out of the conversation, because I haven`t researched those topics.

It is clear that you know very little about gun control, and probably nothing about firearms. Your ENTIRE stance on gun control comes from emotions and fear.
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Male 768
Yeah we have gun control here, and nope no concentration camps yet..
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Female 1,803
"So you consider Brazil, Ireland, New Zeland and a bunch more like nazis??(well new zeland has a clause for life threatening things)"

You and Turdburglar need to look up the term "false equivalency" and get back to me. I`m amused when ignorant people call ME stupid. It`s cute.
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Male 40,739
[quote]Breaking out a dictionary will do no good as the liberals of today bear exactly no resemblance to the definition found in any dicctionary.[/quote]
@MeGrendel: 100% Correct! There`s a difference between "Dictionary Definition" and reality, yes?

@Magickrat: Somolia, Serbia, (Both Clinton) Libya, (Obama alone) Afghanistan (fully supported) Iraq-1 AND Iraq-2 (fully supported) Bay Of Pigs (JFK)...

Just from memory... so how many were started by Republicans? You must have a LOOONG LIST eh?

Grenada (Reagan) and...
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Female 4,413
gotcha, Finkers... gimmie them ju-ju bees :D
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Male 883
Forgot to add, it was a democrat, or liberal if you will, that ordered the dropping of 2 atomic bombs.
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Male 883
[quote]SO HOW many WARS have liberals STARTED[/quote]


-JFK started our involvement in Viet Nam and Johnson escalated it. Funny it was a conservative that pulled the troops out finally.

-Truman started our involvement in the Korean War

-World War 1? Yup, you guessed it, Wilson was a democrat and got us involved.

-Same goes for WW2 with Roosevelt.

Now I`ll give WW1 and 2 a little slack as the involvement was forced but there is your answer.
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Male 1,741
@MeGrendel

Same can be said of conservatives.
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Male 8,534
@Smoothjc1

Breaking out a dictionary will do no good as the liberals of today bear exactly no resemblance to the definition found in any dicctionary.
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Male 535
"SO HOW many WARS have liberals STARTED ???"
"Pretty much all of them."

Really? Really???

Please explain to all of us how war criminals Bush & Cheney are liberals? Can`t wait for this little tidbit of FoxBot internet logic...
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Male 260
Pretty sure you are talking about religion.
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Male 15,832
[quote]@old Ollie, SO HOW many WARS have liberals STARTED ???[/quote]
Pretty much all of them. Liberalism (as actually practiced, not how liberals fantasize and propagandize about themselves) has nothing to do with the platitudes on your list. Liberalism means bossing people around and taking their stuff. That`s the philosophy underpinning every aggressive statist movement in the history of the world.
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Male 15,832
[quote]That was the joke.[/quote]
I thought it might be, but I wasn`t sure. I tried to respond in a way that would fit either case.
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Male 260
@ old Ollie whats wrong with any of this
Definition of LIBERAL

: a person who is liberal: as
a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways
b capitalized : a member or supporter of a liberal political party (see 1liberal)
c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights.
NOTHING.
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Male 260
@old Ollie, SO HOW many WARS have liberals STARTED ??? That`s what I thought.
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a libera
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Male 2,357
@OldOllie

[quote]It`s the same story; just change the names.[/quote]
That was the joke.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Can`t we talk about the Soviet Union or Cambodia (or Turkey, or China, or Uganda...)?

I`m tired of the Nazi`s.[/quote]
It`s the same story; just change the names.
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Male 15,832
First, Goodwin was a f***tard. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If we fail to see the parallels between Nazis and liberals, we`re going to go through that all over again.
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Male 14,331
@lauriloo

So you consider Brazil, Ireland, New Zeland and a bunch more like nazis??(well new zeland has a clause for life threatening things)
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Male 2,357
Can`t we talk about the Soviet Union or Cambodia (or Turkey, or China, or Uganda...)?

I`m tired of the Nazi`s.
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Male 4,891

lauriloo - What? It`s hard to comprehend the stupidity of what you just said.
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Male 302
Godwin`s Law strikes again!
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Female 1,803
I was in Berlin a few months ago and went to a museum about how Nazis operated throughout the years leading up to and in the world wars. I thought it was interesting that they outlawed abortion...just like a certain group of people in America is trying to do...

I can make false equivalencies just as easily as you can.
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Male 147
Hey Mel pass the soda!
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Male 535
Nazi hyperbole - The last ditch effort of the desperate & defeated.
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Female 4,413
::gets the popcorn out::; this`ll be good hehe

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Male 938
Link: In Favor Of Gun Control? [Pic] [Rate Link] - You`re a lover not a fighter.
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