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Date: 08/20/13 03:11 PM

19 Responses to Follow-Up: Toronto Cop Charged With Murder [Pic+]

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    Link: Follow-Up: Toronto Cop Charged With Murder - Constable James Forcillo is charged with 2nd degree murder of Sammy Yatim.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm
    I love follow-ups!

    The local courts are 0-6 in past charges of murder or manslaughter against cops :-( But the evidence in this one LOOKS overwhelming! 3 shots? Followed by 6 more? Followed by standing there watching him bleed? Followed by TASERING?
    Sweet Cheesus!
    The family wants more of those cops present charged too, I have to agree. (Not with 2nd degree of course!)
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
    1558 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 3:42 pm
    Why don`t you suck ass es realize the cops are not a debating society that cares about your input. Do what they say and don`t give them a reason to go off !!-idiots
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    Rodin Male 30-39
    772 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    @soundman655:

    While you make a very articulate argument, do you realize that Canada is not a fascist country and that the police are accountable for their actions?
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
    1216 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 4:43 pm
    Saw the video of the shooting. They tell him to drop the knife and he doesn`t, they tell him they will shoot before they do. I don`t think he should have been murdered, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for that idiot.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
    1502 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    He`ll get off with manslaughter, then that will be overturned. Like with every case involving the police.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2348 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    My problem with this- and other similar cases, is that lethal force seems to be the go-to method of action. There are many non-lethal weapons and measures that can be applied to a wide range of scenarios... but aren`t.
    Yes, one shouldn`t brandish a knife when outnumbered by police; This does not justify killing. Perhaps the various police agencies throughout the Western World would be better off spending a bit less on all those military toys and training and focusing a bit more on less than lethal stuff- or just admit that their policy is not so much `serve and protect`, as it is `oppose us and die`.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
    2581 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    Only in Canada... It`s funny that McCormick said "let`s see what really happened", we did see what really happened, that`s why that d!ck is getting charged.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    @CaptKangaroo: Exactly! There has to be a `line` somewhere! The Police are just as responsible for their actions (if illegal) as anyone else.

    In THIS case? I think the line was crossed. Especially by one, but several others did too! Standing there for 20 seconds while the guy was BLEEDING (after being shot at 9 times, hit 4+ apparently) and then...
    TASER!
    Dead Lord! That`s just too much!

    And the video evidence is uncontestable, multiple cameras saw it!
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
    1502 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm
    It should have been handled differently.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    August 20, 2013 at 10:42 pm
    The officer will go free,and be killed "In the line of duty" shortly thereafter.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 12:24 am
    @Zeegrr60: Was that "Serprico"? "The Choirboys"? Perhaps the "Thin Blue Line"?
    You watch TOO MUCH Hollywood! And this is Canada, eh?

    Pigs are pigs, there`s just no way around it. They`ll ALWAYS look after their own. Just a fact of life.

    Doesn`t mean we should all "bend over and grab our ankles" for them! HELLS NO!
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    zeplin4u Male 40-49
    72 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 6:05 am
    With all the non lethal options there are, pepper spray, rubber bullets, beanbag shot, teargas, strobe light, riot shields, dogs, water cannon, this was completely unwarranted. Cop really just want an opportunity to shoot you, that`s why they become cops. The friendly helpful neighborhood beat cop is dead and gone, we will never see him again.
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
    511 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    Ok, so this guy pulled out a knife on a loaded streetcar and then hauls his junk out. He then tells everyone on the streetcar not to try to leave. And... everyone`s outraged that he was killed by police? If I was troubled enough to do what Sammy Yatim did, I`d have to expect to be killed. Get over it. You`re all brainwashed by a left-wing media into painting people who initiate violence as victims. Yatim brought this ALL on himself and that`s that.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    @caper454: The video footage of the event is at the link.

    Yes, Yatim did pull a knife (and his junk!) on a streetcar full of people.
    They ALL left!
    He was alone in the streetcar for several minutes! With 20 police surrounding him, talking to the cops.
    Yes, he was in the middle of a crime.

    The problem is: the way this particular cop (Focillo) handled the situation. Screaming threats? SHOOTING? It`s not right.
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
    511 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 7:28 pm
    @5Cats: Yes, I`ve seen the video footage and yes, the officers do appear to have used force which may have been excessive. But I don`t care. Again, Yatim brought this ALL on himself. It`s because of his crazy actions that the police showed up. I have zero sympathy for him. Sorry.

    Do any of us have all the details yet? No. Who knows what actually transpired at the scene immediately before the shots were fired. The video footage doesn`t tell the whole story.
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 10:46 pm
    Even when deadly force is clearly warranted, why is it that a perp is never shot once or twice? It`s as if one cop starts shooting and several others are compelled to jump in. A guy who might have survived ends up shot umpteen times.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    August 21, 2013 at 11:22 pm
    Who knows what actually transpired at the scene immediately before the shots were fired?
    Um WE KNOW? Because the video footage may be edited for the website BUT it`s 100% covered in the "raw" form?
    WE KNOW! That Yatim stayed inside the trolly without ever trying to exit.
    WE KNOW! That Forcillo shouted threats and other "non-productive" things at him.
    Then shot him.
    Then shot him some more.

    OK? There is NO EXCUSE for this behaviour!
    If there is? I`d GLADLY listen to it!
    Haven`t heard anything yet...

    OF COURSE Mr.Forcillo is "innocent until proven" and that`s why he`s out on bail! I have NO problems with this.

    Thanks for being polite! Any further questions?

    @carmium: Shot 9 times... THEN TASERED! Something is seriously wrong here...
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
    511 posts
    August 22, 2013 at 8:56 am
    @5Cats: No, we DON`T know because we weren`t there. The video cannot posibly tell the entire story. We don`t know what was said and we don`t know what Yatim was doing immediately before being shot. For all we know he may have told police he had a bomb strapped to him; we just don`t know yet, so stop acting like the judge, jury, and executioner until ALL the facts come out.

    While the use of force may have been excessive (and that has not been determined yet), Yatim unequivocally brought this all on himself. I`m disgusted by the left-wing media`s propensity to paint people like Yatim as the victim, conveniently glossing over the fact that he initiated the confrontation with police. I feel no sympathy for people a person who produces a weapon in a public place, threatens innocent people, and subsequently dies in the ensuing police standoff. The police protected the public from a disturbed knife-wielding criminal. That`s that.

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