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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:08 am
    Link: Actual Facts About Guns And Death In The USA - See? It`s what the 2nd Amendment side has been saying from Day 1!
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:20 am
    17% due to medical error! Clearly we need to ban doctors.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:37 am

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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:39 am
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:48 am
    I`m just going to say this preemptively since I can imagine what some will say:

    There are places with few guns that have both high and low murder rates.

    There are places with many guns that have both high and low murder rates.

    This alone should let you make conclusions about causation and correlation.


    High guns + Low murder rate = Switzerland, Serbia, New Hampshire, Iowa, Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island, Minnesota, Oregon, Utah. All of these have below 2/100k.

    High guns + High murder rate = Louisiana, Mississippi, Maryland, Michigan

    Low guns + Low murder rate = Japan, Italy, Australia, UK

    Low guns + High murder rate = Mexico, Brazil, Russia, Ukraine Lithuania, most of the 3rd world.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:50 am
    Look at the data and make assessments based on that. What do the places with high guns and high crime have in common? How do they differ from the many places with high guns and low crime?

    What about the low guns low crime? Did those countries have low murder rates before, too?

    Ask questions! Dynamic analysis people. I swear some people seem to think that all we have to do is adopt Norwegian policies in America and then we end up like Norway, ignoring that all the troubled spots in America have more in common with Mexico and Brazil than Norway.
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    Lyannovitch Female 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Right. So the fact that people get killed due to gunning is OK, `cause more people get killed in different circumstances...
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    TheZigRat Male 50-59
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    August 22, 2013 at 11:28 am
    According to this Doctors arn`t doing their part. Maybe they should carry more guns.
    Acctually most gun crime are by using weapons Not trying to be banned. Ragan and Brady were NOT shot by any simi automatic assult weapon. Hinkley used a cheap .22 revolver which was legal to buy almost anywhere at the time until this present day.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 22, 2013 at 11:34 am
    "Don`t confuse me with facts. My mind is already made up."
    -Every liberal f***tard in the world.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 11:54 am
    @Andrew155 good point, but i wouldnt call mexico low gun
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Something some of my friends would tell me upon reading this:
    "Statistics don`t matter when it`s your own son that gets shot. How dare you try to turn these travesties in to just numbers?!"
    Then again I never saw them standing in front of Ford pushing for a ban on all motor vehicles because of all the deaths they cause.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    August 22, 2013 at 11:57 am
    interestingly enough, if you swapped all the guns for cucumbers, the number of lethal incidents would drop and the economy would get a boost.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    Wow, gun homicide is actually within the leading 10 unnatural causes of death in the United States per year? That`s actually rather significant.
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    drips Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Only 2% are caused by "drug abuse" so clearly we need to allow everyone easy access to heroin, crack and meth!!
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    nosecret Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    so i thought to myself yesterday: if an ancient nation decided to ban and destroy all of the swords in the name of security, it would soon be raped and pillaged by another nation/kingdome and become a huge joke of vulnerability. people have not changed. why is today and the issue of guns any different?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 22, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    48% are tobacco deaths?
    Inflated numbers are just as false as plain lies.

    My dad quit smoking 25 years before he died. At age 85 he kicks the bucket having decided not to get by-pass heart surgery and the still put tobacco as the his cause of death.

    If at any time in your life you ever had even one ciggie they will blame your death, 60 years later, on tobacco.

    PC is political but not "correct".
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    August 22, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    68.74% of statistics are made up.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    I would like to see any "legit" evidence that tobacco killed anyone. Some jack@ss doctor say tobacco caused something without any sort of evidence to make that claim is nonsense.
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    Wibble4321 Male 40-49
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    August 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    nosecret - The notion isn`t about unilateral disarmament it is about disarming citizens and restricting private gun ownership. Whilst highly contentious due to the constitution of the US it is totally incomparable to `destroying all the swords in the kingdom`.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    August 22, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    1% sounds so small. I guess that`s why they use it. So small...until you use your brain and realize it 25 000 deaths per year. Sounds a lot bigger now, eh?
    And to say that there are more deaths per year from other causes is just f*cking stupid. It does`t make gun deaths all warm and fuzzy if you`re more likely to die in a house fire.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    Gerry: Since smoking is the #1 cause of coronary artery disease (#2 is high cholesterol), I`m confident in that 48% figure.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 1:49 pm
    I don`t like guns because people choose to kill people so they should be banned..... that about sums up the arguments here those death numbers you love to post BTW also include suicide, illegal gun shootings and self defense shootings BTW. Now go live in the saftey bubble big brother will protect you...
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    August 22, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    Personally I love guns. My cousin has a few and will be getting his restricted permit soon which means he`ll be allowed to own hand guns. First time I ever pulled a trigger I was hitting clay targets as easy as if I`d been born with a gun.
    That being said, I`d breath a sigh of relief if I knew all guns were confiscated and destroyed. ALL of them.
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    August 22, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    BS. Biggest killer MUST be fat food, by a gigantic margin.
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    Byfield Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    Seriously, 1%? Thats pretty bloody significant.
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    NyQ Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    So, nearly half of intentional killings are with guns. Great chart, dip$hits. You should have just included natural deaths for all the garbage that that chart represents.
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    long story short, legalize pot?
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    kree_ Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    >excluding natural deaths

    Obesity is not a natural, a can of soda is worse for you than a cigarette.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    931 posts
    August 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Except that a overweight smoker will have coronary disease listed as caused by the smoking 100% of the time. politics skews the numbers. Especially when you consider that 20% of heart attacks are suffered by smokers. and 20% of people smoke. So statistically there isn`t even an increased risk from smoking. And considering smokers are more likely to be overweight, if you remove the obesity side of things, statistically smokers are less likely to have heart attacks.

    Numbers are funny that way.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    30854 posts
    August 22, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    @Lyannovitch: Taking guns away from honest citizens would NOT stop gun crimes. Until the criminals are also disarmed? It would make crime rates soar.

    @skypirate: They have VERY tough restrictions! Of course the criminals don`t obey those laws, eh?

    @Thetas: Good point! Ban Oldsmobiles!!

    @Geogypsy: No, Not Really

    @drips & @uatme: Yup! That would cut USA`s murder problems WAY down! It`s true! Just like Al Capone & Prohibition!

    Anyhow: It`s a pretty good chart, thought I`d share it!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17516 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 3:15 am
    kree: "Obesity is not a natural, a can of soda is worse for you than a cigarette."

    Obesity is at least partly genetic and soda is no more harmful, in moderate amounts, than coffee, tea or sports drinks.

    I can give citations for these facts or you can look them up for yourself.

    The "Food Police" have been making idiotic claims for years, they`ve went after movie theater popcorn, mexican food, chinese food, chocolate, coffee, eggs, and red meat.
    To dispute the above, our forefathers, in America, ate more red meat, potatoes, fried foods, eggs, bacon and drank more coffee than water. They were skinner, worked harder and had less heart disease.

    Btw, you might want to read this about corn syrup before you go on a rant about that.
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    neojester12 Male 18-29
    141 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 6:36 am
    These figures are great and all, but they actually aren`t true =/

    Read this (this is the Justice Department):

    After you skim through that, check out this. Total murders in 2012 is listed as 12,644; guns make up about 75%.

    I love infographics too, 5cats, but if you`re not gonna back anything up with factual information, then what`s the point?

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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    August 23, 2013 at 10:47 am
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    30854 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    @neogester: Your Link shows gun murders dropping, even as total gun NUMBERS in the USA increase!

    It`s a nice link, btw! And it totally supports my chart too!

    Non-Gun murder weapon rates are relatively consistent over the 6 years. Knives especially.

    My chart (even though I didn`t make it! You know what I mean eh?) compares RIFLES specifically, because THAT is what the "gun grabbers" are trying to BAN. The point is that there`s more dangerous things than "assault rifles" (as they are wrongly called by the "grabbers") and all those proposed laws would do little or nothing!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 23, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    Erm. I ran a few numbers and it looks like the proportions do NOT change much.
    Guns: 2007 = 68% 2011 = 67%
    Knives: 2007 = 12% 2011 = 13%

    The point remains though: there were a LOT more LEGALLY OWNED guns in the USA in 2011 vs 2007, correct? The "gun grabbers" tell us that should mean more gun deaths, correct? But it obviously does NOT! (that`s one of the points in my chart).
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    931 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm
    There has never been a genetic link established with obesity. As for soda being no more harmful in than tea or coffee, I call bullpoo. I will agree with sports drinks, as those are equally laden with sugars.
    Your link does nothing to support your argument. All it does is equate high fructose corn syrup to sugar. All added sugars are bad for you whether made from corn, cane, or beets.
    I`m not a biochemist, so excuse me for simplifying things but it works like this. Person consumes sugar. Person produces insulin. After repeated exposures to sugar, person develops insulin resistance. Person requires more sugars to offset insulin resistance. Person gains weight. Person dies. While 1 soda is unlikely to start a cycle of death, or even 1 soda a day, the risk is there.
    When comparing a soda to a cigarette though you have to consider that Every study on the harmful effects of smoking have the lowest category of 5-10 cigarettes a day. The health risks of 10 sodas a day
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    August 23, 2013 at 7:21 pm
    Good on the USA if it`s true that you have so many fewer violent gun crimes; somebody`s doing something right. I think the instinctive fear many of us still have when everyone can pack a handgun, as in some states, is the potential for minor incidents like road rage, a drunk behaving badly, or a guy coming on to someone`s girlfriend could often easily escalate into a deadly shooting. I don`t know how you stop that.
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    MrRugby Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2013 at 7:19 am
    Correct me if I`m being stupid, but the figures within seem contradictory?

    1% from guns
    1.5% non homocide
    3% car accidents...

    Whilst it says that 68 times more people die in car accidents than accidental gun death? It is only 3x more than gun homicide.

    The term `medical error` is ambiguous too, people generally don`t have medical attention unless they are ill. Does it mean negligence or simply it being `too late` to intervene?
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    MrRugby Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2013 at 7:24 am
    @nosecret - I`m not sure that the level of sword ownership would be that significant outside the military in most ancient civilisations (they would have been expensive). Furthermore, how many guns have been used within the US to stop the US being raped/pillaged by other nations in recent years?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    30854 posts
    August 25, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    @MrRugby: It`s a "trick".
    The later chart compares ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS not homicides or suicides. It`s a very tiny number actually.

    iirc: The number of times a gun is used to deter crime in the USA is about 800K > 1.2M per year.
    That includes a lot of things, but is obviously a HUGE number of people "saved" by a gun!

    Take their legal guns away and crime rates will skyrocket.

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