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Date: 08/25/13 02:08 PM

16 Responses to A Message To Grammar Nazis

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    Rodin Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2013 at 2:09 pm
    Link: A Message To Grammar Nazis - I think Fry wrote this with I-A-B in mind
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2013 at 2:26 pm
    Indeed a message to IAB - Is he a member ?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 25, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Where`s the rest of the picture?!
    A third of the words were white on black so where`s that bit? Dang it! I want the picture!
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    August 25, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    I liked the words what he spoked to us. He speaks English proper.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2013 at 3:17 pm
    Apparently he doesn`t know how to use a comma either.
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    i-am-evil Male 18-29
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    August 25, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    I wouldn`t call myself a `Grammar Nazi,` but I do find myself correcting people on their grammar frequently. The only grammar that I find myself correcting is when blatant errors like when "your" is used when "you`re" should be, or when "to" is used when "too," or "two" should be. Those kinds of errors get on my nerves.

    I know I`ve used my commas and quotes incorrectly, but those sorts of errors don`t really seem worth the effort of correcting.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 25, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    What he said
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    There`s a dictinction that should be obvious - Stephen Fry is highly literate. Enjoying and playing with language is one thing. Being unable to use it is quite another.

    I`ll try to illustrate with an analogy. Paul Dateh is best known for this music:

    Hip Hop Violin

    That is an unconventional use of a violin done for the fun of it. Playing with it in different ways for the enjoyment of doing so, i.e. the same sort of thing that Stephen Fry is talking about with language.

    Paul Dateh is a skilled violinist. He trained for 15 years purely as a classical violinist. He has the ability to underpin his unconventional use of the instrument.

    I can`t play the violin. If I picked up a violin and started scraping at it while not giving a damn what it sounded like or what damage I did to it, that would not be the same thing...and
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    Bah, cut off before 1000 characters as usual.

    ...and *that`s* analagous to what "Nazis" are usually objecting to with language.

    It`s a bizarre world when "Nazi" is used to describe the moderate position.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    Playing in different ways can work the other way as well. For example, here`s SOAD`s "Toxicity" played by a classical piano and string quintet:

    Unedited and live

    The key point is the same - unconventional usage backed by ability is very different to a mess due to inability and not caring.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 25, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Angilion - the Hip Hop violin sounds like a country fiddle...nothing new there.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    August 25, 2013 at 11:37 pm
    I agree with all of what Stephan said however;

    If you don`t know the difference between:
    "There", "Their", and "They`re" or
    "To`, "Too", and "Two" or
    "Your" and "You`re"....

    Then you`re a base idiot and it needs to be pointed out.
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    Thonious Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2013 at 5:17 am
    I can forgive ignorance more readily than apathy, but willful ignorance, even prideful ignorance, must not be tolerated. Ignorance is an unfortunate condition easily corrected. Correcting apathy would require a change in one`s character. Prideful ignorance is stubborn stupidity.
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    greekhop Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2013 at 9:02 am
    The problem with English is distiguishable very early on in the video. `Anglophones` Anybody know what that means? Funny that a language like English needs to use Greek to describe its speakers. All western tongues are basically legacy systems (actually almost all languages globaly), in Greek we call them historical as opposed to Greek, which is logical. In Greek, all words, spellings, usages are modularly constructed from small root word-meanings that dont change over time and knowing etymology and these roots means all litterate Greeks can deduce correct usage, meaning, and spelling at all times. Also, there is more than one correct way to say something, its flexible and endlessly rich. Its just a question of being litterate or not and having the vocabulary. English on the other hand... a hodgepodge of randomly mutating meanings, spellings, usages, poetic license etc. Your lucky there some Greek in there to add some structure. Your welcome, no royalties required.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    August 26, 2013 at 9:42 am
    @i-am-evil, agreed.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2013 at 11:08 am

    The main root of modern English is old English, which is a Germanic tongue. The other major influences are Latin (for vocabulary rather than syntax or grammar), Norman French and to a lesser extent Old Norse. There`s hardly any Greek outside of medical terms, although there`s an indirect connection through Latin.

    To claim that English owes its structure and consistency to Greek is, well, I`ll be polite and say "implausible".

    Some of the mutability of English stems from its role as an international language - when a language is widely used as a common second language, it`s not surprising if it`s affected by the primary languages.

    Which makes me curious about Greek, which was an international language in antiquity. Does anyone know if it was altered by being the common second language in a large part of the ancient world?

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