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Date: 07/13/13 07:46 PM

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    July 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    Link: Zimmerman Found Not Guilty - The man accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, was found not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter. It`s over.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm
    And let the facebook outraging begin.

    My 2 bits is the ballistics for the `murder` pretty much speak for themselves, the only way trayvon martin could have received the wound that he did was from standing over the pistol in a manner that suggests that zimmerman was on the bottom and martin was on top .
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm
    I believe justice has truly been served.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:08 pm
    Yay! I`m so glad for him! (I never thought he did it with intent to kill- I believe he was in fear for his life)

    Anyhoo... I really hope he can live a normal life and not be harassed into hiding :(
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:08 pm
    I wonder how many innocent people, completely unrelated to this case, are about to be murdered or attacked because of it.

    Hopefully none, but I`m not counting on it.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    There was an intense silence in the courtroom.
    You could have heard a skittle drop.

    Nancy Grace is having a fit about it. She`s saying he got off `cause he`s white. She should burn in hell.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:13 pm
    @humanaction

    just turn in your guns and call the police approximately 45 minutes before you get attacked and im sure you`ll be fine.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:13 pm
    My faith in humanity is somewhat slightly restored.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    Nancy Grace is having a fit about it. She`s saying he got off `cause he`s white. She should burn in hell.
    If she`s gonna be there, I not so sure I wanna go there anymore.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:19 pm
    @skypirate

    just turn in your guns and call the police approximately 45 minutes before you get attacked and im sure you`ll be fine
    Nah - I`ll stick to my trusty XDM. JHP .357 Sig are expensive sure, but they ought to do the trick.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:20 pm
    Looking at the case the prosecution presented, I believe this is the only verdict that could honestly be reached.

    They were unable to present a case that even approached the `without a reasonable doubt` goalline.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 8:20 pm
    The case should never have been brought to trial.
    GZ was not guilty 16 months ago, the jury only confirmed that tonight.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:22:45 PM

    Lawyers for Martin family just compared Trayvon to Medgar Evers. If a thug is the same as a civil rights fighter then yes, they are similar. Al Sharpton can get on his pedestal and do some real breast-beating!

    Now the family can try and sue GZ in civil court for wrongful death. The Black Congressional Caucus can stand up in indignation and demand GZ be tried in federal court.

    This is far from over for the Zimmermans. He can`t get work anywhere. His career goals {police} are permanently over. He`s financially broke.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm
    At least there hasn`t been any related violence so far.

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:27 pm
    Gerry1of1-"Now the family can try and sue GZ in civil court for wrongful death."

    Which would be an exercise in futility, as he has not money.

    Gerry1of1-"The Black Congressional Caucus can stand up in indignation and demand GZ be tried in federal court."

    Yes, we all know exactly how `sincere` the indignation of the Black Congressional Causus is. Why, it`s right up there with Bill Clinton`s honesty and the Obama Administration`s `transparency`.
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    avail9988 Male 18-29
    700 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 8:37 pm
    Its funny how in Australia he would be a convicted murder right now but in the US he is walking free. IMO he should not have been convicted but it in so many countries around the world you have NO excuse for shooting someone with a gun full stop.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:44 pm
    Good! Not that the race-baiters will be happy with anything less than a hanging...

    The mob is chanting "Justice For Trayvon"? Don`t they understand? This IS justice! Idiots.

    Zimmerman should sue Martin`s parents for all the money THEY have made off their son`s corpse...
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    The mob is chanting "Justice For Trayvon"
    So, what do they want us to do, dig him up and shoot him again?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    Its funny how in Australia he would be a convicted murder right now but in the US he is walking free.
    So, the law in Australia says you have to let someone beat you to death? That sucks.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    It`s amazing to me how the media is still misrepresenting this. They either don`t know the facts or they just don`t care and are lying.

    Also in the news, the guy who found the evidence that the prosecution was hiding, and turned it over to the defense, got fired yesterday for doing the right thing. And of course the Chief of police there was thrown under the bus and "asked to resign" over the TM/GZ case.

    No one "won" in this situation. Except Nancy Grace, her ratings are up.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    At least now we know what evidence the prosecution hid. Judge still didn`t allow it in court, but for curiosity sake I wanted to know. Trayvon Martins cell phone pics.

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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    I didn`t follow this case nor know all the details, but when GZ became suspicious of TZ, did he call the cops or just follow TM around until they confronted? And the cops got called after the shooting?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 9:07 pm
    Also was it ever known if TM knew someone in the gated community? Or was he just "browsing" the streets?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    @paperduck: Yes, GZ phoned 911 first thing!
    There had been many petty crimes in the neighborhood, that`s why GZ stopped his truck to report a "suspicious person"... NOT a suspicious NEGRO...

    Actual Facts About The Case Long, but full of truthful facts!

    Trayvon`s Tweets Also refused as evidence iirc...
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 9:20 pm
    I thought `Rev Al` was going to have a stroke tonight.

    These so called `news sources` can spin this in any way they desire. The jury did their job and now GZ has to try and piece his life back together. He`ll have to live with the fact he took someone`s life but I think the jury made the right choice.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    @ paperduck

    GZ saw TM circling cars. He doesn`t live there, but was staying with someone. GZ called 911 to report him. TM sees GZ walks off between building & around a corner. GZ gets out of car, goes up the walkway to the corner T intersection to see which way TM went. That is the "following" you ear so much about.

    From phone records we know TM doubled back and hid in the bushes and confronted GZ. TMs burglary tool `Slim Jim` was found in the bushes. No one knows who hit who first.

    Witnesses confirm TM on top of GZ pounding on him. 1 shot & TM bleeds to death in 1-3 minutes. Cops arrive.

    GZ gives 6 voluntary statements, all consistent within norms. No evidence to contradict his statements so he isn`t initially charge.

    Al Sharpton comes to town, stirs up people and for politics the Chief of Police is fired and GZ gets charged.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    Gerry: Not only all that, but when Detective Detective Chris Serino tried to trip him up, telling him there was video, GZ was thankful, hopeful. What person with ill will or intent wants there to be video of their actions?

    NO ONE! But GZ did, because he acted in self-defense and was truthful with the police.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    With stand your ground going for 2nd degree murder was stupid. Too much circumstantial evidence to convict on that.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    CrakrJak, Yes, that was a key thing for me of his sincerity. "We have a video tape..." "GOOD! Play it!" Circumstantial but compelling.

    I think Prosecutor John Guy is the only winner. He will, I predict, have a lucrative future as television legal analyst/guest commentator.

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    handimanner Male 60-69
    2095 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    Memo to self: Cancel trip to Disneyworld.
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 10:02 pm
    Justice is done. Be aware punks !!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    On behalf of Creepy A$$ Crackers everywhere,
    I applaud the juries decision.

    I`m Sure CreepyAssCrakrJak agrees with me.
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
    202 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    And there are already reports of random white people murdered bu mobs of black rioters.

    Good job there starting that race war NBC and CNN.
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    bomb_tom Male 18-29
    522 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 11:16 pm
    Imagine you`re walking home at night.
    Some nobody with zero authority begins to stalk you - against the will of a 911-dispatcher - based on a hunch that you`ve been up to no good.
    You confront this strange man who`s following you and get into to fight.
    You`re winning the fight so he fatally shoots you.

    Is it really ok for this idiot Zimmerman to claim self-defense when he was the instigator?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    bomb_tom, let`s go with your distorted view of events....

    You reach your door, but instead of going inside you decide to double back. You hide in the bushes and step out as he approaches. He`s done nothing to you, but you sucker punch him, knocking him to the ground. QUICK! Get on top of him and cover his mouth while he screams for help! help! help!

    Now start pounding his head into the concrete. After all, he had no business calling 911 on a stranger in the neighborhood, just because you were staking out cars and had burglary tools in your pocket. He deserves it! Pound his head again! again! again!

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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 11:33 pm
    @thefatviking

    is your source for these so called murders the so called `miami riot` video that`s been proven to actually be footage of a 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot?


    Not a Miami Riot
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
    2334 posts
    July 13, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    Justice seems to have been served. I don`t see anyone walking away from this case a winner though, his life in the US is over.

    I wonder what the fallout will look like in a few weeks time.
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    Tatung42 Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    bomb_tom

    If I was walking home at night and someone was stalking me, I would run the **** to my home as fast as I could.

    Especially if I was an athlete and the guy stalking me was overweight and would have no chance in hell of catching me since I`m 70 feet from my house.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:12 am

    A victory for equality. Blacks scream racisim all the time, while whites walk on glass, completely terrified of being called a racist.

    I am not celebrating the death of a P.O.S.
    But...
    I am happy that a man was not sent to prison for the rest of his life, without good evidence, just because he was white(ish) and the other guy was black.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 12:16 am

    "stalking" has a specific, legal meaning. Zimmerman in no way "stalked" Martin.

    Martin was seen circling cars and he had a slim jim on him. If I were looking for a new crime to commit, and someone spotted me, I`d book it. I wouldn`t stop and fight them.

    We have a stupid habit in America that once someone dies we canonize them. The fact is Trayvon Martin has the larger hand in his death than George Zimmerman. TM assaulted GZ. In my day if you knocked them down you won, you didn`t kick a man while he was down. But Trayvon climbed on Zimmerman and pounded his head on the concrete..over and over and over again.

    Trayvon and only Trayvon is responsible for his death. Is he a bad kid? Who knows! Young men make rash choices, but he is culpable in his death, no one else. He forced GZ into a corner where his only choice was to shoot.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:16 am
    Justice is served. Good.

    Tatung

    Especially having 4 minutes to do so, as the defence showed by actually pausing for 4 minutes in the summing up.

    "Some nobody with zero authority begins to stalk you - against the will of a 911-dispatcher - based on a hunch that you`ve been up to no good. "

    Tom

    Not only is that not likely to be what happened (that is the prosecution case) but you don`t need authority to follow someone. If someone follows you you don`t have the right to beat his head against the ground and openly threaten his life.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:19 am

    "whites walk on glass, completely terrified of being called a racist"
    Not me. I figure they`ll call me a racist if I don`t agree so I own it. I call myself a racist first.

    I believe they HAVE overcome. Equality achieved. But if you have equality you have to let go of special privilege. There in lies the problem. I don`t blame anyone, who wants to give up a good thing?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:20 am
    The judge should be forced off the bench though. Preferably into poverty and a minimum-wage job. She tried to help convict a man who clearly could in no way be proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:20 am
    I don`t need to comment in this thread because @Gerry1of1 is doing a great job saying everything that needs to be said. Thanks Gerry1of1.
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:23 am
    @djwajda
    No it`s the footage and reports from the Oakland riots.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:24 am

    bomb-tom - It`s obvious that you know very little about the facts in the case. That little bit fed to you by the bias media.

    Try to save your garbage for topics you actually have knowledge on. Maybe tell us about your lobotomy, or how it feels to be sheared bald for your wool.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:37 am

    Gerry - you may own it, and I`ll give you that. You are not most white people, and defiantly no in the public eye. White people are too scared to even say the word [email protected] in front of others or cameras...even when quoting someone else. For a white person in the public eye being called a racist is career ending. It`s just easier.

    I appreciate your candid position. I take the same stance. Can`t have EQUALITY and double standards.

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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:50 am
    "Trayvon Martins cell phone pics."

    Gerry, that`s pretty much on par for any black kid in America. Their culture makes them fantasize about being criminals and they take these stupid cellphone pics. I bet 95% of black American teens have a picture of this type in their cellphone, on facebook, etc. it doesn`t mean that they are criminals, just like a white man owning a gun doesn`t automatically make him a vigilante killer like Charles Bronson`s character.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 12:54 am

    turdb - " For a white person in the public eye being called a racist is career ending."

    Exactly! It doesn`t matter if they are in fact a racist or not. It`s all about the accusation. I wouldn`t use the word `n#gger` because it`s ignorant and stupid. You undermine yourself with stupidity when you do and besides that, it`s offensive. But you don`t have to be racist, just don`t agree with Jesse Jackson and see what they call you. Then you`re on the defensive. You cannot prove you are NOT a racist. And racism is something only white people can be. No one accesses a black of being racist....even though he might be.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 1:00 am


    @ Draculya, I can`t speak to what young black men have on their cell phones. I know a few mature black men {40 years +} but no kids. In Trayvon Martins case, the text messages on his phone show that at the tender-innocent age of 16 he was trying to buy an illegal gun. There are other texts about his fights he`d been in and drugs but the point is, this is not a clean cut wholesome angel as the media portrays him as. Or as the judge would have you believe. He was a thug who is culpable in his own death. He might have outgrown that, become a good man. We don`t know. But HIS own actions lead to his death, not Zimmermans.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 1:07 am
    People calling TM a thug make me laugh. They totally gloss over the fact that GZ was arrested for two counts of felony assault and involved in domestic violence, yet he`s a good guy.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2013 at 1:34 am
    I trust the jury who will have seen all the evidence and done their job properly. Over trial by media what everyone seems to be doing.

    But you cannot say this is purely down to Martin or purely down to Zimmerman. That`s ignorant.

    Unfortunate but Zimmerman was within his rights to be patrolling the neighbourhood and checking out a suspicious person (someone not there) and later in self defence. Unfortunately a high strung Trayvon intensified the situation by hiding then attacking someone following him.

    What matters is a person is dead, which never should be celebrated. And another man`s life has been shattered.

    Nobody is right when everybody is wrong.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 2:18 am
    I bet 95% of black American teens have a picture of this type in their cellphone, on facebook, etc.
    @Draculya: I`ll take that bet! I don`t think the "average" negro child is all that different than other races, and MOST KIDS do NOT have illegal guns and smoking pot in their pics!

    Perhaps more than `average` given how many and how far reaching the "gangsta" mentality is in SOME black communities. But not 95% by a long shot.
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    JacobTrue13 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2013 at 2:50 am
    These comments make me sick.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 2:52 am
    Well, the jury has spoken. And regardless the outcome, I think we have among the best justice systems in the world. I`d rather ten guilty men walk free than one innocent man be jailed (not that I`m saying I believe Zimmerman to be one or the other, just saying).

    I still do think it`s awfully important that when you`re carrying a gun, that you have the responsibility to only use it when you absolutely have to. And that includes in situations that you cause yourself. What a shame for all involved in this terrible case. My condolences to them all, on both sides.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 3:30 am
    For the record, however, pictures of pot or guns on Trayvon`s phone (though that phone most certainly should have been turned over) have NOTHING to do with this, are NOT evidence of ANYTHING, and shouldn`t have been considered. Pot does not make a person aggressive--just the opposite--he had barely any in his system, and he wasn`t carrying a gun (Zimmerman, on the other hand, wasn`t tested for drugs or alcohol, and *was* carrying a gun). I won`t argue the verdict, I won`t argue about the fact that the state should have turned over the phone (they should have), but to say that it is evidence of anything about Trayvon that is germane to this case is incorrect and hints at something far more perverse than wanting to see fair justice for anyone involved in this tragedy.
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 4:36 am
    @Shamrock:
    If Zimmerman was a felon, he would not have been able to touch a gun of any kind.
    Nevermind legally owning a handgun.
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 4:52 am
    Shamrock - You claim George had 2 previous felony assaults... You realize the charges were DROPPED right? Did you ever bother looking into the details? One for example happened in a bar, when an officer who was not in uniform threw a hold on Zimmermans friend. Zimmerman who saw a guy in a bar assaulting his friend pulled the officer off. (Non-violently I might add) - The officer then arrested Zimmerman. Later, as the details came out that the officer (Off duty) was involved in an altercation with alcohol involved) - The charges were completely dropped... But by all means, keep making comments without providing any semblance of context... It really helps make your case for you!!
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2013 at 5:07 am
    I don`t know if i agree that GZ`s only choice was to shoot. it seems lots of bad decisions were made. Why did GZ get out of his car? He called the cops... just sit and wait for them. If TM was up to no good and runs away, so be it. Your job isn`t neighborhood crime-stoppers, it`s neighborhood watchers.

    In order to believe GZ is completely innocent I would have to feel that GZ was under threat of being killed himself, and to be honest I don`t see that panning out in a neighborhood complex courtyard in this situation. Cops would have arrived, TM would have been arrested for assault? Or maybe would have left by then? I think everyone would prefer one of those outcomes.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2013 at 5:13 am
    I`m just glad that I know that if someone ever starts breaking my nose and beating my skull into the cement, that I`m allowed to fight back without being worried of being convicted of 2nd degree murder.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 5:20 am
    All I will say is:
    I was not in the courtroom.
    I have not seen all of the evidence.
    I did not hear all of the arguments.
    I do not trust the general media to be accurate about a single god damned thing.
    (And unless i have misread everything here at IAB these facts apply to everyone here.)

    Therefore, I have no choice but to trust that the jury got it right.
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    bdowner60 Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 5:52 am
    Its not over , its only the beginning!
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 5:57 am
    To me, this always looked like a situation that got WAY out of control. A white guy who was tired of the black kids breaking into the houses in the area and a black guy who was tired of being racially profiled by white guys.

    The black guy is walking along looking at the houses (casing places or simply looking for the house he was visiting). The white guy assumes he`s casing places. The white guy tells the cop on the phone that he`s tired of these guys getting away and decides to follow him. The black guy feels threatened and tells his friend, on the phone, that he is being followed by a creepy cracker. Words are exchanged and both men are pissed off and fed up. The white guy tries to grab the black guy to restrain him. The black guy wants no part of it and fights back. Black guy starts to kick the white guys ass and knocks him to the ground. White guy pulls a gun and shoots black guy.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 6:01 am
    In the end, both men overreacted. The whole story is just sad and it really shouldn`t have happened. Zimmerman WAS in the neighbourhood watch and it was his job to look for suspicious activity. Martin more then likely was fed up with being racially profiled.

    I really think this was a case where both men were right. Both men ramped things up. Both men brought it to a point where things became life threatening. One of them was apt to die.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    July 14, 2013 at 6:03 am
    Maybe the mistake here was the prosecutor going after a 2nd degree murder verdict, instead of manslaughter.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 6:27 am

    trust the jury who will have seen all the evidence
    Actually, no. In this anyone following the trial closely would know more than the jury. There was much evidence the Judge wouldn`t allow shown to the Jury.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 6:41 am
    The media wanted a race war so bad. It was terriblt, glad it`s over.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 6:44 am

    inversegrav
    I was not in the courtroom.
    I have not seen all of the evidence.
    I did not hear all of the arguments.
    I do not trust the general media to be accurate about a single god damned thing.
    (And unless i have misread everything here at IAB these facts apply to everyone here.)
    I was in the courtroom....sort of. I had the live court feed on my computers at home and all day at work.
    I did see all the evidence.
    I did hear all the arguments.
    I to distrust the crass media
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 6:54 am
    patchman, Zimmerman isn`t white.
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2013 at 7:20 am

    This story would have been just another news item if the media hadn`t tried to turn it into another Watts Riots.

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    gladhatter Male 50-59
    219 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 7:43 am
    This farce should NEVER have even gone to trial.
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    gymcoach29 Male 30-39
    363 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 7:52 am
    This would never have made the news, not would it have even gone to trial if Obama and his cronies did not get involved....They WANT a race war...dividing the people even more...easier to conquer that way.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 8:16 am

    I was so looking forward to the rioting & looting
    but so far....nothing.

    I guess I`ll just have to wait for the next Raiders game.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2591 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 8:16 am
    This puts a strong message out there.. just sayin`.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2013 at 8:20 am
    Zimmerman was found innocent because they tried to turn it into a racial matter instead of sticking with the facts.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 8:26 am

    keith, "This puts a strong message out there."
    What message would that be?
    That you are allowed to defend yourself if attacked?
    That if you protect yourself you will have your life ruined anyway?
    Or
    If you attack someone they might kill you so calm your ass down?
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2591 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 8:32 am
    Pick one, build a house around it, then burn it down.
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    OsirisXero Male 40-49
    38 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 9:28 am
    "Zimmerman was found innocent because they tried to turn it into a racial matter instead of sticking with the facts."

    The most important fact is, had Zimmerman done what he was told to do, instead of doing what he wanted to do, Martin would still be alive. Regardless of how the confrontation went down, it never would have went down in the first place if it hadn`t been for Zimmerman`s desire to be more than he was.
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
    373 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 9:35 am
    keith2

    I doesn`t put strong message, it puts a very confused message out there.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 9:50 am

    @ OsirisXero
    "If Zimmerman this" & "If Zimmerman that".
    How about if Trayvon hadn`t sucker punched a guy for no good reason? So what if Zimmerman was looking at him funny, That is not an excuse to bash their head into the concrete.

    The important fact is if Trayvon hadn`t attacked he`d be alive today.
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    bordo Male 50-59
    907 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 10:27 am
    So we haven`t quite switched to Soviet-style show trials yet.
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    grryan Male 30-39
    54 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 11:56 am
    The message I got from all of this is to eat your skittles and keep walking when confronted by someone at night. That way your mouth is full of delicious skittles and your hands are feeding your mouth...you can`t say anything or throw any punches. Who knows, that guy might be armed and well within his or her right to shoot you if you attack them.
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    suzietoo Female 18-29
    73 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    If Trayvon Martin had survived the shooting he would be up for assault and GBH, and sure as anything no-one would be falling over themselves to protect him.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    "The black guy is walking along looking at the houses (casing places or simply looking for the house he was visiting)."

    Actually Patch, it came out in the trial that he was casing cars, circling them. He had a slim jim and some tools on his person, and they were later found in the bush that he jumped from to confront Zimmerman.
  85. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    It`s truly amazing how the IAB Liberal Brigade CONTINUES to spew illogic and fantasy in the face of Courtroom Evidence.

    Not a surprise of course! They do it ALL the time! But rarely is it this obvious. :-)

    500+ Gun Murders in Chicago ALONE since TM`s death. Where-o-where is the MSM outrage? Sharpton and Jackson taking their circus to Chicago any time soon? Obama talking about it? No? Gee I wonder why not...
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:09 pm
    @ OsirisXero
    "If Zimmerman this" & "If Zimmerman that".
    How about if Trayvon hadn`t sucker punched a guy for no good reason? So what if Zimmerman was looking at him funny, That is not an excuse to bash their head into the concrete.

    The important fact is if Trayvon hadn`t attacked he`d be alive today.

    Trayvon feeling threatened have a right to stand his ground and defend himself? In the same way that Zimmerman had a right to defend himself after he was attacked. You can no more prove Trayvon was stealing cars then Zimmerman was stalking for a kill.

    I repeat an earlier sentiment both contributed to the events that night.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Skittles are a gateway candy.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    @5Cats Race never should have been brought into this... to quote Morgan Freeman it`ll stop being an issue when we all stop talking about it. We`re not black men white men we`re men. And we`re all part of the Human Race
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    5Cats, I`m not going to address the rest of your post as I`ve already made a statement, hoping that you`d read it, because, as promised, I`ve accepted the verdict.

    However, as far as the 500+ Gun Murders in Chicago are concerned, how can you say liberals aren`t upset about that? Have you never heard of our push for gun control? Perhaps you`ve missed it? The Zimmerman case is just a blatant example of the symptom. The reason it got attention over others is because it was so drating egregious. But almost all gun death is. And so it goes...
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    Bakcagain

    "Trayvon feeling threatened have a right to stand his ground and defend himself?"

    Not relevant. He did not defend himself, he attacked someone else. He was the threat.

    "I repeat an earlier sentiment both contributed to the events that night."

    Then the verdict is just.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    Smagboy you idiot. There was gun control in Chicago when those murders happened. That is the point. Gun control caused many of the murders, because it prevents the law-abiding from defending themselves.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    Bakcagain

    " to quote Morgan Freeman it`ll stop being an issue when we all stop talking about it"

    Then why are you supporting a racist prosecution? You would never have heard of the case, let alone I across the Atlantic, were it not for race being dragged into an incident where the only evidence ever shown of racism was both dubious, from a witness who committed multiple act of perjury and was reluctant to answer questions at all, and alleged to be racism from a man who died that day.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    randomxnp, thank you for calling me an idiot. I`m glad that you feel that shooting unarmed people is a good thing.

    YOU do realize that gun control in Chicago while the rest of the country encourages every man, woman and child to carry is like a no peeing sign only in the 4` section of the pool, right?

    And, you know, Australia, Germany, Japan, etc. But, whatever. They don`t count. I know, Statistics is difficult.
  94. Profile photo of Bakcagain21
    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    @randomxnp
    1- I was pointing out to the people that there is an equal argument about standing your ground laws which allow you to defend yourself when feeling threatened.
    2- The point of that is to say no one is to blame 100% for loss of life
    3- I never said the verdict wasn`t just
    4- That`s the point I was making. Race never should have been brought into it. And People shouldn`t have talked race into it
    5- You`re an idiot who should learn to read
  95. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    All these `what if GZ this or GZ that` questions...

    What if TM hadn`t been casing vehicles?

    What if TM had decided to go straight home instead of attacking a man from the bushes?

    While tragic this is a NON story in the media until an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson sticks their nose into it. Would they have done the same if it had been a non-black that was shot?

    I don`t see them crying outrage or racism against the 12, count them 12 blacks that attacked a pregnant white female in the same damned city! 4 of those 12 btw were children.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    @SmagBoy1: You amaze me! Truly, you do! Amazing!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Even if you I am the biggest douchebag in the world {I`m working on it} You don`t have the right to physically attack. If you do, even a big douchebag like me is allowed to defend himself.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2765 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    You guys really know how to drag things out. This site (mostly the comments section) never fails to keep me entertained.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    You do have a right to defend yourself. The question is, do you have a right to use deadly force in defense of injuries that didn`t even require medical attention? That`s where we get into manslaughter territory. But whatever. For you guys there can be no gray at all. All of it is right or wrontg. No in between. Zimmerman is a good guy and Trayvon is a punk drug dealer street fighter. Got it.
  100. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    @HalfPintRoo: I know! It`s the comments that keep me amused at IAB. Funny or otherwise.

    This Thread Has taken a "turn for the funny"

    "...of injuries that didn`t even require medical attention?"

    @SmagBoy1: In what alternate universe do you live?
    Zimmerman DID get "medical attention".
    >First the EMS at the scene.
    >Then stitches the next day from his doctor.
    Twice!


    Please amaze me some more! k-thx!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    5Cats, he did NOT get stitches, or even a band-aid for his "wounds" as testified by the medical examiner. Or did you miss that part of the trial?

    And, like I said, I accept the verdict. There was not enough evidence to find Zimmerman guilty of even manslaughter. I get that. I accept it. I even came on here and said it flat out. Apparently that wasn`t enough. You had to just keep poking people in the eye.

    Like I say, I see a lot of gray in this case. I don`t think it was murder or even 2nd degree murder. I do think there`s a case for manslaughter. For anyone to say there`s not, period, no gray area, George Zimmerman is a law-abiding citizen who did nothing wrong, period, I already know that you`re a conservative. There`s no excuse for that kind of thinking. I`m not asking for Zimmerman`s head on a pike. Or even him go to jail. But he killed an unarmed minor and was just set free. Isn`t that worth at least a discussion?
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 4:43 pm
    i called it. where do i sign up for the riots? do we all get hoodies and skittles?
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    So much BS with this case. Zimmerman is an idiot who is way too big a coward to try and be a street vigilante. His wounds were hardly even worth pulling a gun out on anyone. Then on the other hand, Martin shouldn`t have attacked him, unless he was provoked first. Some people would call the stalking enough of a reason to have attacked Zimmerman, I don`t. I can`t say with 100% certainty who was in the right (if either of them) but I do know Zimmerman should have walked away when the authorities told him to.

    Just a sh*tty situation all around.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3909 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    I am so glad this sh*t is over, next...
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3289 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    @smagboy1: all of the sites I looked at (webmd, mayoclic, etc) said the only real treatment for head injuries is stopping the bleeding, ice, rest, and an aspirin. All of which can be done at home; no medical license required.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Smagboy, "as testified by the medical examiner"
    You mean the medical examiner who when cross examined said GZs head injuries indicated his head did not impact the concrete more than 3 or 4 times? That ME?
    Even one impact can cause brain swelling and the physicians asst. who treated GZ testified stopping the attack "probably saved his life".


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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    @collegebound: :-)



    Don`t forget the Watermelon Drink! Gotta bring your own cough syrup though...
  108. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6269 posts
    July 14, 2013 at 7:16 pm
    SmagBoy1-"do you have a right to use deadly force in defense of injuries that didn`t even require medical attention?"

    There was every chance that had deadly force not been used, those injuries could have escalated to `fatal`.

    That IS the definition of self-defense, btw.
  109. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 15, 2013 at 6:47 am
    i called it. where do i sign up for the riots? do we all get hoodies and skittles?

    Will you be lynching White-hispanics or just whites there??
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 15, 2013 at 7:02 am
    I am so glad this sh*t is over, next...

    It`s not "black culture" won`t let it end not till they get their way even if they`re dead wrong. Like a whiny kid who dosen`t get the toy they want.
  111. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    July 15, 2013 at 7:38 am
    Hey guys! What did I miss?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 15, 2013 at 10:40 am
    This pic of Trayvon just came out:




    Look at that little guy! Looks just like the pics the media keeps showing us of him.
  113. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    July 15, 2013 at 11:55 am
    "Hey guys! What did I miss?"

    @patchy: The NAACP was passing out hoodies, Skittles, watermelon drink and rope! Don`t worry, they`ve got plenty more! They ran out of torches and pitchforks though...

    Justice for Crystal Gail Mangum!! Dammit!
  114. Profile photo of dirtysteve00
    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
    373 posts
    July 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    The very best definition of irony?

    George Zimmerman is afraid to leave home, as he is worried someone might take the law into their own hands.
  115. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Shamrock - You claim George had 2 previous felony assaults... You realize the charges were DROPPED right? Did you ever bother looking into the details? One for example happened in a bar, when an officer who was not in uniform threw a hold on Zimmermans friend. Zimmerman who saw a guy in a bar assaulting his friend pulled the officer off. (Non-violently I might add) - The officer then arrested Zimmerman. Later, as the details came out that the officer (Off duty) was involved in an altercation with alcohol involved) - The charges were completely dropped... But by all means, keep making comments without providing any semblance of context... It really helps make your case for you!!

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