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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 9:45 am
    Link: Woman Kills Her 2 Children, Drowns Self - After waiting 2+ years for help. (Depression, psychosis). Canada`s Healthcare System!
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    July 31, 2013 at 10:12 am
    That`s a stupid statement, 5Cats. The health care system here is top notch. Some of the best health care in the World. The issue is not with out health care system but with the way depression is viewed.

    The problem is, lots of people claim to have depression when they are actually just depressed. The doc prescribes anti-depressants and then after a few weeks, when the person feels all better, they consider the pills a success. Then they give the same pills to a person with depression and wonder why it`s not working.

    It`s not just Canada that has a lot to learn about depression, it`s the entire medical community.
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    Wundt Male 40-49
    410 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 10:15 am
    How dare you use this incident to make a political point. It isn`t even a good argument against national healthcare.

    This is scene that is rare in Canada, whereas it is much more common here in the USA. How many 1000`s of Americans have died because they couldn`t afford healthcare. How many times have we heard about people dumped in the street by hospitals who didn`t want to care for them. Even if you are lucky enough to have health insurance, chances are mental health care is only barely covered. You are also likely under-insured in other ways, and you have to put off going to the doctor for financial reasons. The number one reason people declare bankruptcy in this country is because of medical bills.

    Fox news and the Republicans have tried to argue that national health care is hated in Canada and the UK, and that it is expensive and doesn`t work. ALL of the evidence says the exact opposite.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    July 31, 2013 at 10:26 am
    I don`t know much about your health care system up north but I do know that the treatment of mental health need serious revamping here in the US.

    Granted you`ll have people that refuse help but for those that don`t they have very limited options with all the facilities that have been closed in recent years. This in turn helps to burden the prison system in many cases as those that would normally have been turned over to said facilities end up staying in jail.

    It`s atrocious when children end up suffering like this.
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 10:31 am
    Psycho bitches do that in every country
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    July 31, 2013 at 10:43 am
    What is with all the morbid posts right now? Killings, drownings, shootings... wtf
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    jpwhitfo Male 40-49
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    July 31, 2013 at 10:46 am
    A different person in the article has been waiting 2.5 years for more counseling, not the one the article is about. Sad state of affairs, but this is a world wide problem, not just Canada or US.
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    DinVen Male 30-39
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    July 31, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Blame Canada.. your powers of deduction and reasoning are flawed. Nowhere can everyone be saved by the health sector, unless of course you are filthy rich and pay for private services, that of course is exclusive to select few on this planet.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:06 am
    At least in Canada you can get some care. In the US, you can only get the same care if you pay for it or your insurance covers it and good luck with that
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:12 am
    yip "Woman gone wild"
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    Doiknowyou Male 30-39
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:13 am
    http://www.choicemedicalservices.com/faq_cubanhealth.html

    Good comparative chart of Cuba vs. USA vs. Canada
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:15 am
    Sad sad sad :( That`s odd to hear though, my coworker lost both her parents within 6 months of each other and she was put in grief counseling within a week
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:16 am
    You need insurance in Canada for good treatment now. Believe me.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:32 am
    So sad :( Those poor babies..
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    July 31, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Mikeoxsbiggg:
    "You need insurance in Canada for good treatment now. Believe me."
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    I don`t believe it at all. I don`t have insurance and I get all of my health care for free. Anything from seeing a doctor for the sniffles to open heart surgery, all covered. Why would you pay for insurance unless you are trying to get your prescriptions covered?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    No system is perfect. Someone will always fall through the cracks. If this is a regular thing then it`s a flawed system, but if this is an unusual occurrence, then sympathy for them, but don`t blame a system that works. Maybe fine tune it a bit.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    Don`t feel bad, Canada, things are even worse in the UK. I had a doctor tell me "You don`t look very depressed to me".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    This is scene that is rare in Canada...
    @Wundt: That`s pure bullshiite and you know it! The AVERAGE TIME to wait in Canada is over 6 months! For some things it`s multiple YEARS. AVERAGE! Not "exceptionally" not "one in a million" it`s 50% of the time!

    yip "Woman gone wild"
    @dm2754: Yup! That post came to mind when I read this (and saw it on TV). Sadly.

    You need insurance in Canada for good treatment now. Believe me.
    @Mikeoxisbiggg: Yup! Or quickly. If you`re in dire trouble? You`ll get fast, free care in Canada (it`s TRUE!) but you`ll get it in the USA too...

    @drawman1: That`s what my family doctor said to me the first time I sought help. :-P Then I waited 4 months to see a psychiatrist... the wait is MUCH longer now.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    July 31, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    My sister is a psychiatrist and there is a wait of 4 to 6 hours in case of emergency then you got a follow up every 3 weeks, i don`t know where you live in Canada but the 6 months wait is only in case of surgery in my part of Canada
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    "How dare you use this incident to make a political point. It isn`t even a good argument against national healthcare. " You mean as opposed to our government, and Liberals attempting to do the same thing over, and over, and over... Using children, murders, etc to make political points? Go take your manufactured outrage somewhere else!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    @Crabes: Winnipeg. It`s noted at the end of the article that Winnipeg has the longest wait times in Canada for mental health.
    Why?
    Because the 3 main hospitals that offer psychiatric help should have 14 (total) full time doctors: In reality there are 9. This situation has been going on for 5+ years, it`s not "a fluke".
    (Brandon Hospital should have 4? but only has 2? Or 1? iirc on that...)

    Personally? My only options are to pay (insurance) or wait a very long time...
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    @soundman655. you should be ashamed of yourself for saying such a horrible thing, even in jest.

    RIP poor lady and poor little children.
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
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    July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    I`m with Agent00Smith, less morbid/sad posts, please.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    @5Cats, six months in Winnipeg? Well, that is a rarity. Here, in Ontario, it`s no more then two weeks for non emergencies and, in an emergency, you can check into the hospital`s psyc ward and see a psychiatrist right away.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    July 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm
    "Woman Gone Wild."
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm
    @patchouly: 6 months is average to "see" a specialist. idk if psychiatrist is that long, but this woman waited 2.5 years (30 months).

    When I sought treatment 15 years ago? There were 13 of 16 doctors in the 3 main hospitals. NOW there are 9 doctors for 14 positions... and it`s been that way for at least 3 years.

    I go across the city to see my Psyc. The hospital very close to me? NO WAITING LIST because they accept only emergency transfers.
    The 2nd closest? apx 2 years waiting list. (I was told, about 3 years ago, I didn`t bother to go on the list, so IDK for sure).

    Of course, if you PAY? You can get much faster treatment, which skews the "average times" eh? I`m talking NO-PAY treatment.
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    enolamron Male 18-29
    197 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    Welcome to your future, America. There is nothing worse (and, clearly, in some cases, more dangerous) than socialized medicine. I`m uninsured right now, but I can see the forest for the trees. The number of uninsured people in America is far less than many would like us to believe. You would think that, after witnessing the repeated failures of socialized medicine (hell, socialized ANYTHING), politicians would realize all of the inherent flaws in the system and do something else. Unfortunately (I think), we (Americans) have a president who has a socialist background and doesn`t see socialism as a bad thing (I`m not trying to turn this into a political debate; I don`t belong to a political party - I think both are severely flawed and corrupt). I`m sorry you have to endure this, Canada, Britain, etc. Particularly sorry to Canada after this debacle.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    July 31, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    In America,you can see someone in 5 mins if you have the money.99% in America don`t have the cash. This is not America`s future,people,this is America since 1996. Wake up,sheeple.
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    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
    450 posts
    August 1, 2013 at 3:53 am
    You people who use the word "socialized" like a swear word should put your money where your mouth is. Stop using all the social services in your area and your life.
    Then come talk to the rest of us about how evil it is. My god man, you guys love to use words like "sheeple" and phrases like "wake up" while you are doing nothing more than parroting what others are telling you and that is socialized programs are bad.
    I did a google search and in 1 minute found a pretty long and interesting list of socialized programs in the US that most don`t even realize fall under the same category they are screaming about.
    I wanted to copy/paste but I exceeded the limit so just do a little research and reading on your own.
    You might be surprised.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    578 posts
    August 1, 2013 at 8:16 am
    Sorry but "socialized" is like a swear word when it comes to many things the government thinks they can do better. Obamacare has not even officially started here in America but it has already cost me more than $20,000 in higher insurance costs and lost wages since it was passed. It`s not about helping anyone, it`s about keeping the lefties in power. That`s where "socialized" (liberalism or I don`t care what kind of `ism` you care to call it) becomes pure evil, IMHO.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    August 1, 2013 at 10:52 am
    @5cats: Manitoba seems to be an isolated case, and that`s not the fault of socialized medicine.

    There is nothing worse (and, clearly, in some cases, more dangerous) than socialized medicine.

    Source, please, because all the data I`ve seen makes you full of $hit.

    Obamacare has not even officially started here in America
    Obamacare is hardly socialized medicine.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    August 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    @Patchy: No. Manitoba is currently `the worst` but ALL ACROSS Canada it`s pretty much the same: long waits for few doctors/ specialists.

    8 out of 10 provinces is NOT "isolated" ok?

    UNLESS: It`s a real emergency? Then yes, care is fast, excellent and low-cost (not quite `free` but usually.)

    @Patchy: Obamacare falls into "Government Intervention" in an industry. That -loosely- falls under socialism. OK? In this case? The US Gov`t is trying to make things WORSE for the citizens and MORE PROFITABLE for huge businesses... nice eh?
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    jets4life Male 30-39
    39 posts
    August 1, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    I live in the Winnipeg suburb of St. James, which is the same suburb of this story.

    I suffer from depression and anxiety. I went untreated for years due to wanting to avoid the stigma associated with mental health issues. I never wanted to admit something wrong with me, and tried to tough it out. About 10 years ago, I hit a wall and spent a week in bed before family and friends forced me to go to my GP.

    In short: I got a prescription for Celexa. A month later the drug did nothing. Got prescribed Effexor and referred to a psychiatrist. Used group benefits to pay for Psychologist appointments. Used my work`s EAP service. In just over a month, I was in at the hospital seeing a psychiatrist. I received about a year of weekly sessions for free. In Canada, the help is available for those who seek it. However, most don`t seek the help they need in fear of being judged by others. The story says "The WRHA has not said whether Gibson sought or received treatment for a me
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    "How dare you use this incident to make a political point. It isn`t even a good argument against national healthcare. " You mean as opposed to our government, and Liberals attempting to do the same thing over, and over, and over... Using children, murders, etc to make political points? Go take your manufactured outrage somewhere else!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    November 8, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    @jets4life: #1 Glad you got help. Doubly glad it worked!
    Not every medication will do the job, and sometimes "side effects" build up too! One of my meds nearly KILLED ME! (not a joke! I had an aneurism, not in my brain thankfully!)
    #2 yay! The Jets came back! Now if they`d only get above .500 eh?
    #3 The family reported, and it fits the timeline, that she`d been waiting 16+ months for help (iirc). That`s longer than "average" but think about it: HALF the people DO wait "longer than average" eh?
    I waited:
    2 months to SEE a doctor.
    3 months to SEE a psychiatrist.
    About "average" at the time...

    @cuthere2: Thanks for the support! :-) What you said is absolutely true, that`s why the liberals (and Liberals) squeal so loudly :-)
    wee-wee-wee!

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