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Date: 07/26/13 12:36 PM

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    Ob1969 Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Link: The North Pole Is Now A Lake - From global warming. This is probably not a good thing. Click for the full story.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    Ummmm if it never melts whys their doohicky on a buoy???
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Just 30 seconds on any credible blog shows that this is a deliberately misleading claim: "FALSE: Holy moly, the icy North Pole is now a lake, declares The Huffington Post and some other news outlets, fueled by scientific photos like these from the North Pole Environmental Observatory that are drawing buzz. You may be left with the impression that Santa is now snorkeling in what seems to be open waters that stretch as far as the eye can see.

    What the photos really show

    Despite headlines to the contrary, "you don`t want to call them lakes. They`re melt ponds," says researcher Mike Steele, principal investigator for the Polar Science Center at the University of Washington, by email.

    What you see in the photos (and webcam No. 2 here) is one of the shallow ponds that form every summer and freeze later. It looks eerie because a wide-angle, fish-eye lens makes that particular pond look bigger than it is."
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    McGovern - Because it`s more B.S. from the left... Even the scientists stationed there came out right away to destroy this ridiculous claim...

    How weak must your argument be if you have to bust out wide angle fish lenses and claim a melt pond that forms every single year, and re-freezes in the winter is proof of "global warming?" Pathetic...
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    Yeah, but it freezes over again in a few seconds.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Is this the lake that bitch was whining she wanted to see?
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    Beardofzeus Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    Why is this post here?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    Gerry1of1

    Is this the lake that bitch was whining she wanted to see?
    ---
    Quite possibly, probably why the hissy fit was biblical, as it froze up again shortly after hubby said No
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    Ok it appears some unsavory fellows were misusing this information. No worries, I believe science, and science says global warming is happening. This article has misleading information in it that doesn`t help the global warming cause.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    Breaking News: Ice melts in summer, we`re doomed!!!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    Is this a lake? No, it`s a foot-deep pond of melt water.

    Is this unprecedented? No, it`s happened every summer since 2000.

    Is the arctic sea ice melting as a result of climate change? Yes. Arctic sea ice minimums set a record last September. That record looks like it will be broken this year. For more information, click here.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    Oh no!!! Nature being natural!!!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Okay, waiting for Al Gore to show us pictures of polar bears `being forced` to swim (as we know they NEVER do) and give a slide-show with some stolen hollywood video.

    I`m still bored.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:24 pm
    Of course Al Gore would be speaking during the film from his 30,000 square foot house with every light on.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm
    @ MeGrendel: Liking the new avatar! ~Squrlz high-paws the otter~ =^.^=
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    no doubt it`s getting warmer... when i was a kid we had snow all winter.. these days it`s rain all winter, with some slush
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    Glad you like it, S4S. Thought I`d give him a spin.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    Yes, 747Pilot, because your 0.000000006% of observational data is exactly what we call a `representative sample`.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    747Pilot

    no doubt it`s getting warmer... when i was a kid we had snow all winter.. these days it`s rain all winter, with some slush
    ----
    Certainly something happening
    had the coldest winter for years this year,
    last year floods a plenty, this year hottest summer since 2004, odd stuff indeed
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    The earth goes through warming periods and cooling periods- that`s well documented(Unless you`re some kind of religious fanatic that believes the world is a couple thousand years old, that is.).
    Do Humans, with covering the planet with concrete and pumping toxins into the air- amongst a host of other indignities, affect the balances at play?
    Simple chemistry and physics tells us, yep.
    Could we reach a point from which the planet can`t recover?
    Maybe we shouldn`t test that one, hmmm?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    Earth will always recover,
    its the humans which wont, Earth has gone through red hot, minus whatever, Earth has no probs, just the parasitic humans it needs to flick off her back
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    bleong Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    Someone swam across the north pole years ago (2007?), so I`m not totally surprised there.

    Perhaps this is not the most scientific, but to me it`s a good indicator: the glaciers have been receding for decades (Alaska especially hard hit). Difficult to argue that warming (whatever the cause) isn`t happening.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    And if I quit driving all together it would make no difference when China and India are opening a new coal-fueled power plant every week.

    US has done it`s bit to reduce. I`m sure EU has as well. Time for the others to step up.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    bleong-"glaciers have been receding for decades "

    Glaciars have been receding for centuries

    Actually, if you count since the last Glacial Maximum, Glaciars have been receding for approximately 20 millenia.

    So, exactly what is the `perfect` amount of glaciation? When the glaciars covered Missouri and Manhattan? Or when much of the Rocky mountains were under ice?
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    US has done it`s bit to reduce. I`m sure EU has as well. Time for the others to step up.

    ---

    History says the opposite.
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    Funny that even if every person on the planet stopped driving permanently, and every manufacturing plant in the world shut down - We STILL would have less than a fraction of 1% impact on "global warming" - Perhaps because "global warming" (Climate change) is natural, not man-made... Or does someone here who believes man-kind is causing global warming want to explain to me how other planets in the solar system also experiencing "warming" is being caused by us? lol - Ridiculous. Funny, in the 70`s and 80`s the same yahoo`s screaming "Warming" were warning we were doomed and on track for another ice age in 20 years due to pollution! Nice 180 ya`ll did there! ;)
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    meh
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    Erm, cuthere2, where`s your statistical info` on that?

    Oh...your ass. Of course, that`s a great place to form arguments.
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    erikthevikin Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 4:33 pm
    It turns into a lake every year. The sun is on 24-7 what do you expect.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    I`m so sick of this sh!+.
    You wanna save the fu(king planet? Put a gun in your mouth and pull the God damn trigger!

    How`s your "carbon footprint" now, bitch!?
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    July 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    Man-made climate warming has accelerated since the industrial revolution (1800). With increasing populations these trends are multiplied.
    Solar heat works in cycles of 11 yrs, 88 yrs and ??? (assumption would be 880 yrs). Earth`s last ice age ended 8000 yrs ago. We`ve been heating naturally ever since.
    Latest heating forecasts predict the poles will melt substantially in summer, opening ice free sea lanes to travel.
    An ice free north pole will alter weather patterns as sea currents change.
    My advice?? Move to frikken high ground if you live on the coast. The seas WILL rise about a foot over the next fifty years. Doesn`t sound like a lot until you consider the entire planet is mostly water and the power that lurks there.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    July 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm
    Message for Mykunter: Then crawl back in yer hiddy hole.
    Sure, no one likes hearing about this. Don`t stop the reality though. Ignorance is not bliss.
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    Hey Bliznik - How about you do some research before flapping your jaws!

    "Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions
    “The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small." (Ahem - A fraction of a percent)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    @ Cuthere: "Does someone here who believes mankind is causing global warming want to explain to me how other planets in the solar system also experiencing `warming` is being caused by us?"

    Sure. First of all, not all the planets are warming: Mars and Jupiter, for example, aren`t. In the case of Neptune, its highly elliptical orbit takes 164 years and is now bringing it closer to the Sun so the warming is easy to explain. But behind this false argument, which I hear all the time, is the notion that if all the planets are warming (which isn`t true), it must be because of the Sun--and therefore man`s off the hook. Yet solar irradiance (the energy the Sun puts out) has been in a decline since about 1960. So I think you can see that the talking point doesn`t hold much water.

    (Cont`d)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    (Cont`d)

    As for the notion that climatologists were predicting a new ice age in the 70s, you`ve been misinformed. It`ll take you about 10 minutes to get up to speed, if you`d like, by watching this.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    Notice how then even had "Summer Melt" in the time lapse? That`s the indicator that it`s a normal occurrence. There is global warming whether we are here or not. Why can`t most people understand that people are just using the whole "it`s our fault, invest in this or that to stop it", to make money? Go ahead and buy. It is happening, we are not at fault though. Just research our records on past ice ages.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    More stupid scaremongering. Global air temperature was only 0.3 Deg C over normal last month. Also the global temperature is well below all of the climate models that climatologists have used to predict "global warming". Temps have remained stable for the last 15 years.

    AGW theory is on it`s deathbed, it simply isn`t happening. But that doesn`t stop the scaremongers wanting you to pay astronomical prices for electricity, natural gas, and gasoline.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 8:43 pm
    Message for handimanner: It`s not a hiddy hole, it`s a condo. I live on the coast and I can see the water when I look out the window! If it gets too high, I`ll leave. "Castles made of sand fall in the sea, eventually." Civilizations come and go. So what?

    I don`t give a fu(k. I will improvise, adapt, overcome. I think it`s still a bit early to acquire water front property on the northern coast of Greenland though...

    Meanwhile, alarmist ass hats like you are driving up the price of energy, which effects EVERYTHING, leaving us spread wide open to be fu(ked up the ass by the likes of China and other emerging countries that couldn`t care less about "green energy" and "carbon footprints".
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    @ OldOllie: Ollie, are you aware that the chart you`ve posted ends at the year 1855?

    There are other problems with it (for one thing, it erroneously implies that the temperature record for one location can prove or disprove global warming); but the biggest problem with it by far is that it omits all temperature data from the most recent 158 years.

    If you include more recent data, you`ll find that the average surface temp for Greenland for 2000-2009 is approximately -26.75 deg C. That is literally *off the chart* of your chart`s y-axis.

    Here`s a chart of Greenland surface temps that is up-to-date (below). The blue bar is where your chart ends; the red bar is the avg for the last decade.

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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm
    Read a few places this is a normal part of the climate "cycle" there....
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 1:41 am
    erm. yeah it`s summer, a particularly hot summer - 24 hrs of sunshine. This is not out of the ordinary. when it doesn`t freeze back in the winter is when we start to worry.
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:15 am
    Hey Squrlz - I watched your video... Interesting approach to a straw man... Need proof of what I said? Check, and Mate:

    1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
    1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
    1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
    1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
    1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
    1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
    1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:16 am
    1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (PDF) (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
    1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
    1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
    1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
    1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)



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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:17 am
    1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
    1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
    1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
    1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? (Book, 1976)
    1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
    1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age (Book, 1977)
    1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
    1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of – TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, May 1978)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:21 am
    Squrlz - It appears it is you who was misinformed... Your video claims that those who say Alarmists claiming global cooling was pushed in the 70`s were what? Oh yea, that the claim was a "crock" - Then goes on to provide absolutely no evidence for such rhetoric... Yet I took you up on your challenge (10 minute challenge) and was able to locate more than 100 articles, magazine covers, and news segments warning of the coming "ICE AGE" in the 70`s... I only posted about 1/3 of what I found due to each post far exceeding 1000 characters. But you get the idea. I can also point you to TIMES Magazine articles and covers from the early 1930`s discussing predictions that within a decade temperatures would be so high, that crop failure was almost certain, and global anarchy along with societal break-down... In other words, the Alarmists have been at this game for a long time. (Yep, even in the 1930`s they were showing their little charts too!)
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:28 am
    Consider this:
    (Bear in mind, this is merely a science-fiction type of "what if?")

    The world is, in-arguably, messed up. From the "fudgeu" reactor in Japan to the massive chemical sink-hole in Louisiana, to our politicians doing their level best to bring on Armageddon, we are quite possibly on borrowed time here.

    What if the world knows this? What if the Earth, in her infinite wisdom, is aware of how man is mucking up the works?

    What if her response is to hasten the "next stage?" A new dominant species or a particular strain of fungus, bacteria or super-virus that the Earth had locked away, frozen in its frozen safe deposit box...melt only in case of emergency.

    What if whatever it is has been let loose, either airborne or in the water and the Earth`s plan to heal, (AKA: get rid of pesky, suicidal humans), has begun?

    Again, just positing a far-out theory here, but isn`t it a bit scary?
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:30 am
    By the way, I tried to abbreviate "fudgeushima," but it was corrected, as the spell-check thought I was being naughty.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:46 am
    A bit scary? No.

    You ARE going to die. We are ALL going to die. Mankind WILL cease to exist. It is inevitable. Accept it. Now go live your life.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 4:24 am
    @ Cuthere: Copying and pasting a list of newspaper and magazine articles from a climate denier website doesn`t impress me, nor does it invalidate the main point of Peter Sinclair`s video, which you claim to have watched.

    Since that main point seems to have eluded you, I`ll repeat it here: Although there was some uncertainty regarding the role of aerosols in the 1970s, which led some scientists to speculate that a cooling trend might occur, most climatologists continued to believe that greenhouse gases would continue to warm the planet. As Sinclair`s video clips illustrate, anthropogenic global warming had already been understood and was accepted as the major mechanism of climate change as early as the 1950s.

    (Cont`d)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 4:26 am
    (Cont`d)

    Every title you`ve copied and pasted off the denier websites is from the popular press (or TV shows). As Sinclair states in his video, there is a huge distinction between popular culture articles written with attention-grabbing headlines and peer-reviewed studies. As for the studies: A survey of 71 peer-reviewed studies published from 1965 to 1979 found that 7 predicted cooling, 20 were neutral, and 44 predicted global warming. That`s 62% predicting warming vs. 10% predicting cooling.

    Bottom line: The idea that all climatologists, or even a majority of them, were predicting a new ice age in the 1970s (and therefore, why should anyone listen to them now?) is an utter crock.

    Also: You make no mention of the "Cooling Planets" canard, which I debunked for you at your request. No thank you? Nothing? Sheesh.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:08 am
    handimanner-"seas WILL rise about a foot over the next fifty years."

    Sounds like a prediction.

    So far, all their models and predictions have been wrong.

    I live on an island. If the seas rise 1 foot in 50 years, I`ll be ~3 feet closer to the water.

    I`m not worried.

    Do I do my best to leave the Earth cleaner than I found it? Yes. Everyone should.

    Do I believe giving the government more control over my life or buying `carbon credits` (i.e. `sin tax`) to Al Gore is going to accomplish a single thing? No.
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:56 am
    Actually Squrlz - You continue proving me correct, and you as the alarmist! Your straw man argument is laughable at best, and sad at the least. See, I made my point quite clear, and that point was that CLIMATE CHANGE is NATURAL - And that in the 70`s there was plenty of media warning of a coming Ice Age. You claimed this was not the case, yet I posted dozens of articles, magazines, and newspapers that claimed this very thing... Now you have nothing to say other than insult the list - Yet the list is quite legit - So your lack of a coherent reply shall be taken as a concession.

    Heck, even this very thread you`re posting in is a sensationalist article scoffed at by the very scientists stationed near the North Pole! lol Yet you have nothing to say about this either? Typical...
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:58 am
    McGrendel - I agree with you 100% that so far, every prediction they`ve made in the last 100 years has failed. You can go back as far as 1895 when claims were being made that rising temps would (Insert alarmist claim here) - And not one of them has come to pass... With a track record like that, no wonder the libs championed the cause. Fits with their MO. Let`s all ignore the Al Gore fiasco and keep drinking the koolaid... MMMMMM Tasty.... lol
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 7:05 am
    "Every title you`ve copied and pasted off the denier websites is from the popular press (or TV shows). As Sinclair states in his video, there is a huge distinction between popular culture articles written with attention-grabbing headlines and peer-reviewed studies." --- BINGO! Exactly my point! Or do you somehow not understand what the word "Alarmist" means?
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 9:53 am
    Mykunter: "You ARE going to die. We are ALL going to die. Mankind WILL cease to exist. It is inevitable. Accept it. Now go live your life."

    Yes, I have no problem with the notion of my demise...I am old enough and have spent too many years as a Marine and then a metropolitan firefighter to be concerned with that. I live my life every day.

    What is "scary" is the idea that we have been so ignorant as a species that our Mother Earth might be taking her steps to finally get rid of us. This is what I meant. Not something so simplistic as being afraid to die. Sorry for the miscommunication.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2013 at 10:30 am
    Why is this post here?
    @BeardofZeus: Because IAB has several "AGW True Believers" and, like it or not, they get equal say in posting stuff. :-)
    Hey! Fair is fair! They post BS, we post the facts... fairness!

    Reality: We humans can stop "Global Warming" just like we could stop "Continental Drift" :-O

    In other words: NOT!

    (Totally stole that from the comments over there~!)

    FACT: If ALL of Canada stopped ALL "AGW Gasses"? it would NOT make a difference over 100 YEARS! So "reducing by 0.05%"??? = piss in the ocean.

    OMG! You PEED into the OCEAN! That will change the SALT CONTENT and endanger ALL LIFE ON EARTH...
    O`Really?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2013 at 10:44 am
    @Squrlz4: YOUR chart: Show 1885 as "-28.5"
    @OldOllie`s "Chart" shows 1885 as "-31.5"
    You`ve completely overlooked that there`s 3 degrees difference in your "starting points".
    EVEN if you add 1.5 degrees (the difference in your chart) to @OO`s chart? It`s still WELL below other "warm periods" and FAR FROM the "hottest in all of history"...

    Facts, plain and simple. Even the chart YOU PROVIDE says so!

    LOOK at all those hot temperatures in the 1930`s and 1940`s! Amazing! Hot!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    On a local note. This has been one of the coolest summers I`ve ever experienced this year. 10-15 degrees below normal. That and it rained so much this spring that farmers had a long wait for their fields to dry so they could plant seeds.

    This weather has pushed back the harvest time and if we get an early frost, it would be disastrous. couple that with the inflated price of fuel due to EPA regulations and the still delayed Keystone pipeline and it could be a recipe for much higher food prices.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    @ Cuthere: I never said, as you claim, that the popular media was not talking about a coming ice age in the `70s. They were; I remember it myself. I said that climatologists weren`t predicting one. They weren`t; while a minority of them did state they thought a cooling period was possible due to air pollution, the large majority still ascribed to AGW science, the basics of which had been worked out in the 1950s.

    Are there climate alarmists in the media? Absolutely. If you`ll check my first comment in this thread, you`ll see that I agree that this "North Pole Lake" story is alarmist. Do alarmist stories in the media somehow invalidate the work of thousands of climatologists, going back nearly a century, which strongly indicate that man`s CO2 emissions are warming the planet? No.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    @ 5Cats: If you look at the lower left of the chart I posted, you`ll see two red crosses indicating where Ollie`s chart ends. The two charts use different datasets. His, Greenland ice cores that end in 1855; mine, Greenland surface temp records.

    As I stated when I first responded to Ollie`s chart, however, attempting to prove or disprove AGW with temp records from a single location (Greenland, in this case) is a fatally flawed approach. It`s *global* warming after all--and in terms of global temperatures, the record is unequivocal: the Earth is warming to higher temps, and at a faster rate, than man has ever witnessed.
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    Byfield Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    Global warming is 100% a thing. But its effects are not inconsistent with previous global warming caused by nature. We`ve just sped it up a bit. And soon we`ll get to the part where all the methane and CO2 that was absorbed in the last ice age starts to rapidly unabsorb itself. THEN we have a problem. Hopefully, we wont get to the mass wildfire part and we`ll get the UK cooling from a disabled jet stream (much better). That would suit me alright.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Global warming is is only 100% legit in that the earth has been warming and cooling since day one. What I hate is when political policy is set on science that may or may not be correct and then all of suffer economically based on alarmist science. I don`t care anymore if GW is real or not, I just can`t stand the constant condescending whining and complaining about it! It`s the boy who cried wolf on steroids and I just tune it out.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 29, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    As expected, this is another lie of the climate catastrophists. It turns out that this photo was taken around 85 degrees North, where pools such as this are common in summer, and have been throughout our experience of the Arctic.

    The Arctic is in fact experiencing one of the coldest summers on record.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 29, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    Squrlz

    Thanks for that chart of evidence that climate change is natural and unrelated to the CO2 released into the atmosphere since 1940, after the major rise in your chart. Or are you also claiming that mankind is destroying causality?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2013 at 9:47 am



    OOPSIE DAISY
    It sems the picture is over 300 MILES away from the "North Pole" and Huff-Post has offered a correction...

    Also: There were REAL "North Pole Lakes" on both 1987 and 1959... so guess what?

    NOT AGW! AGAIN!
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    "Every title you`ve copied and pasted off the denier websites is from the popular press (or TV shows). As Sinclair states in his video, there is a huge distinction between popular culture articles written with attention-grabbing headlines and peer-reviewed studies." --- BINGO! Exactly my point! Or do you somehow not understand what the word "Alarmist" means?
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    McGrendel - I agree with you 100% that so far, every prediction they`ve made in the last 100 years has failed. You can go back as far as 1895 when claims were being made that rising temps would (Insert alarmist claim here) - And not one of them has come to pass... With a track record like that, no wonder the libs championed the cause. Fits with their MO. Let`s all ignore the Al Gore fiasco and keep drinking the koolaid... MMMMMM Tasty.... lol
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    Actually Squrlz - You continue proving me correct, and you as the alarmist! Your straw man argument is laughable at best, and sad at the least. See, I made my point quite clear, and that point was that CLIMATE CHANGE is NATURAL - And that in the 70`s there was plenty of media warning of a coming Ice Age. You claimed this was not the case, yet I posted dozens of articles, magazines, and newspapers that claimed this very thing... Now you have nothing to say other than insult the list - Yet the list is quite legit - So your lack of a coherent reply shall be taken as a concession.

    Heck, even this very thread you`re posting in is a sensationalist article scoffed at by the very scientists stationed near the North Pole! lol Yet you have nothing to say about this either? Typical...
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    Squrlz - It appears it is you who was misinformed... Your video claims that those who say Alarmists claiming global cooling was pushed in the 70`s were what? Oh yea, that the claim was a "crock" - Then goes on to provide absolutely no evidence for such rhetoric... Yet I took you up on your challenge (10 minute challenge) and was able to locate more than 100 articles, magazine covers, and news segments warning of the coming "ICE AGE" in the 70`s... I only posted about 1/3 of what I found due to each post far exceeding 1000 characters. But you get the idea. I can also point you to TIMES Magazine articles and covers from the early 1930`s discussing predictions that within a decade temperatures would be so high, that crop failure was almost certain, and global anarchy along with societal break-down... In other words, the Alarmists have been at this game for a long time. (Yep, even in the 1930`s they were showing their little charts too!)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
    1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
    1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
    1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? (Book, 1976)
    1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
    1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age (Book, 1977)
    1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
    1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of – TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, May 1978)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (PDF) (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
    1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
    1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
    1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
    1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)



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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Hey Squrlz - I watched your video... Interesting approach to a straw man... Need proof of what I said? Check, and Mate:

    1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
    1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
    1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
    1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
    1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
    1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
    1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Hey Bliznik - How about you do some research before flapping your jaws!

    "Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions
    “The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small." (Ahem - A fraction of a percent)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Funny that even if every person on the planet stopped driving permanently, and every manufacturing plant in the world shut down - We STILL would have less than a fraction of 1% impact on "global warming" - Perhaps because "global warming" (Climate change) is natural, not man-made... Or does someone here who believes man-kind is causing global warming want to explain to me how other planets in the solar system also experiencing "warming" is being caused by us? lol - Ridiculous. Funny, in the 70`s and 80`s the same yahoo`s screaming "Warming" were warning we were doomed and on track for another ice age in 20 years due to pollution! Nice 180 ya`ll did there! ;)
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    McGovern - Because it`s more B.S. from the left... Even the scientists stationed there came out right away to destroy this ridiculous claim...

    How weak must your argument be if you have to bust out wide angle fish lenses and claim a melt pond that forms every single year, and re-freezes in the winter is proof of "global warming?" Pathetic...
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Just 30 seconds on any credible blog shows that this is a deliberately misleading claim: "FALSE: Holy moly, the icy North Pole is now a lake, declares The Huffington Post and some other news outlets, fueled by scientific photos like these from the North Pole Environmental Observatory that are drawing buzz. You may be left with the impression that Santa is now snorkeling in what seems to be open waters that stretch as far as the eye can see.

    What the photos really show

    Despite headlines to the contrary, "you don`t want to call them lakes. They`re melt ponds," says researcher Mike Steele, principal investigator for the Polar Science Center at the University of Washington, by email.

    What you see in the photos (and webcam No. 2 here) is one of the shallow ponds that form every summer and freeze later. It looks eerie because a wide-angle, fish-eye lens makes that particular pond look bigger than it is."
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Actually Squrlz - You continue proving me correct, and you as the alarmist! Your straw man argument is laughable at best, and sad at the least. See, I made my point quite clear, and that point was that CLIMATE CHANGE is NATURAL - And that in the 70`s there was plenty of media warning of a coming Ice Age. You claimed this was not the case, yet I posted dozens of articles, magazines, and newspapers that claimed this very thing... Now you have nothing to say other than insult the list - Yet the list is quite legit - So your lack of a coherent reply shall be taken as a concession.

    Heck, even this very thread you`re posting in is a sensationalist article scoffed at by the very scientists stationed near the North Pole! lol Yet you have nothing to say about this either? Typical...
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Squrlz - It appears it is you who was misinformed... Your video claims that those who say Alarmists claiming global cooling was pushed in the 70`s were what? Oh yea, that the claim was a "crock" - Then goes on to provide absolutely no evidence for such rhetoric... Yet I took you up on your challenge (10 minute challenge) and was able to locate more than 100 articles, magazine covers, and news segments warning of the coming "ICE AGE" in the 70`s... I only posted about 1/3 of what I found due to each post far exceeding 1000 characters. But you get the idea. I can also point you to TIMES Magazine articles and covers from the early 1930`s discussing predictions that within a decade temperatures would be so high, that crop failure was almost certain, and global anarchy along with societal break-down... In other words, the Alarmists have been at this game for a long time. (Yep, even in the 1930`s they were showing their little charts too!)
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