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  1. Profile photo of thenedman
    thenedman Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 10:12 am
    Link: The Media Outrageously Blew The IRS Scandal - Almost everything ``reported`` about the big Obama scandal was wrong, and no one has been held to account
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 10:24 am
    Eagerly awaiting the IAB right wing trolls to jump on these facts like they did when they were being targeted.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 10:35 am
    Sure, because SALON.com is such a newsworthy, unbiased organization in and of itself....
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 10:46 am
    "Sure, because SALON.com is such a newsworthy, unbiased organization in and of itself...."

    As compared to MSNBC/Fox/THEBLAZE/etc.

    You take snippets from each and you get the whole story. Each are pushing their own agendas which is why I cringe at the thought of any of them being considered "news"
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    sickandtired Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 10:52 am
    The right-wing trolls can keep sucking on Glenn Becks stumpy bell-end until they turn blue, for all I care.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 11:02 am
    Hey, fancythat... try refuting the facts in the story instead of just dismissing the message for the messenger, eh?

    The story references (with links) the NY Times, the AP, thehill.com, politico.com, the Washington Examiner, Dartmouth College, etc. Are you really able to dismiss ALL of that so easily?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 11:08 am
    Salon is 100% Pro-Obama Uber-Liberal.

    This "article" simply repeats White House Talking Points verbatim.

    For example: we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones
    False! While the final count was (iirc) 292 `conservative` VS 6 `progressive` that were "targeted"? Most of the progressive applications were targeted for FAST TRACKING to ensure SPEEDY approval! While the 292 `conservative` ones were delayed with all the power the IRS could throw at them.

    Typical Liberal False Equivalence... 300 = 10 = Fair!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 11:11 am
    @chalket Where is this cry for reason when the IAB Liberal Brigade dogpiles on "FAUX News" The Blaze and Breitbart? Hummm?

    ALL the ones you mention lean HEAVILY left/liberal... just a little `fyi`.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 11:23 am
    Yea 6 of the 20 groups that used the word "progressive" were flagged for additional scrutiny thats 30%, And they were only stalled for 9 months. But 100% of the 292 groups that used "tea party," "patriot" or "9/12" had their applications flagged and stalled for 27 months until after the election. Then they got bombarded with questions like "who are all of your donors and their family members" and then the IRS gave the lists to left leaning adversarial groups.

    6 progressives vs. 292 Tea Parties, yea sounds like it was equal. Not to mention THE IRS ADMITTED TO TARGETING TEA PARTY GROUPS!!! It wasn`t the GOP or the media, the IRS were the ones who admitted it was done when they released their apology letter.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 11:59 am
    (cont)

    And the progressive groups could be accepted by IRS line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not, all Tea Party groups could only be accepted by IRS higher-ups.

    Also the November 2010 list noted that tea-party cases were "currently being coordinated with EOT," which stands for Exempt Organizations Technical, a group of tax lawyers in Washington, D.C. Those of progressive groups were not.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 11:59 am
    The foundation of the "scandal" was that the conservative groups claimed that the order to flag their applications and investigate them came from the White House. Well, it didn`t... therefore it`s not the "scandal" they portrayed it to be.

    No one`s saying what the IRS did was right, what they did was most definitely wrong and needs to be dealt with. So yeah, you can still call it a scandal in that sense, but it`s not a presidential scandal.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    Whole thing hinges on the lie that left-wing groups were targeted in the same way, the lie that the conservative groups crossed the line and the lie that the media said this leads overtly to the WH. So yes the media blew it: Salon blew it in this piece of dishonest hackery.

    Left-wing groups were not targeted in the same way or the same proportions: 30% against 100%. None was asked intrusive questions. None had details of application illegally leaked to political opponents. None was delayed significantly, against some conservatives` 3 year delay.

    If the right-wing groups stepped over the line then why were most applications accepted in the end, and few or none rejected outright?

    Who said the WH was directly involved in commanding this targeting? It is the tone set by the WH, the jokes about targeting enemies with audits, the "us and them", attack them rhetoric. The hatred and partisanship that allow this.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    whodat

    "The foundation of the "scandal" was that the conservative groups claimed that the order to flag their applications and investigate them came from the White House."

    No it isn`t. I have never seen a single report that said that, and I have been following the scandal. Lying is only a good debating tactic if you are trying to persuade idiots, i.e. keep Obama`s voters on side.
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    Yeah, they did focus on conservatives. At the request of Congressman Darrell Issa...Republican. So a Republican asks the IRS to BOLO conservative applications, and then the Republicans blame the White House for letting that happen.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    normalfreak

    They are not facts. They are, in fact, lies. Lies long debunked in the honest news media.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    bliznik

    Even if true that would be irrelevant. The IRS is supposed to be non-partisan, regardless of who orders them. Large parts of the Republican Party oppose the libertarian ideals that unite the Tea Party (yes, I worded that carefully; they are not all libertarian, but the ideas they share, that bind the Tea Party together are about freedom). Many politicians from all parties but the Libertarians oppose freedom.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    @bliznik:
    "Yeah, they did focus on conservatives. At the request of Congressman Darrell Issa...Republican. So a Republican asks the IRS to BOLO conservative applications, and then the Republicans blame the White House for letting that happen."


    Am I understanding you right? You`re saying that Congressman Darrell Issa, chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, was coordinating with the IRS to target conservatives.

    Are you joking or just so biased and uninformed that you`re just rambling indifferent of anything reported? Please send me a link to this newly found information, because otherwise I`m calling EPIC BS.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    @randomxnp

    Here`s one.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    "The IRS is supposed to be non-partisan, regardless of who orders them."

    The Obama administration has made every government agency, that it can, partisan. The NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS, DHS, DOJ, DOE and others have all shown their partisan agenda, directed by the current administration.
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    randomxnp

    I`m not sure that`s irrelevant. I would think that the purpose of the news story is to show why the conservative groups were being put on the BOLO list. The fact that a Republican Congressman specifically asked the IRS "to narrowly focus on tea party organizations."

    Should the IRS have listened to Republican Congressman Darrell Issa to detain tea party applications? No. But are his instructions relevant to the story? I`d say that his instructions are highly relevant.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    @randomxnp

    Here it is again, straight from Darrell Issa himself.

    "This was a targeting of the president`s political enemies, effectively, and lies about it during the election year so that it wasn`t discovered until afterwards." - Darrell Issa (R - CA)
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    richanddead:

    You want a link? Here`s one of many. You can also just google "Darrell Issa" and "IRS" to find many other links. Karen Kraushaar, the spokeswoman for J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, made this statement.

    Not sure if it`s true or not, but if we`re going to be looking at motivations, we should try to look at all of the information that has come out.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    @bliznik: Ok I see where you got it from, Karen Kraushaar and the Hill. But look at the very next paragraph where it says


    "Issa`s office has denied it made such a request.

    Kraushaar has backed away from her remarks, telling The Washington Post, "The statements attributed to me in The Hill are not accurate.""
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    Oh look it`s ok now see we target a marginal amount of lefty groups too!! LOL! As long as you ignore the pile of other crap this administration has done....
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Sitcoms, novels, dramas, the daily paper, tv news- they may be BASED on teal events, but they`re mostly fiction.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    @whodat6484:
    I agree that that Obama most likely did not know, his staff would be foolish if they did let him know (plausible deniability and all). But lies were told, like Douglas Shulman the IRS Commissioner, who told a congressional subcommittee that there was no targeting of Tea Party groups on March 22, when we now know that there was.

    And Jay Carney has already said on may 13th that certain members of the white house staff did know.

    Member of White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler`s staff learned of the report and then told White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough and other top officials about the IRS findings during the week of April 16. They chose not to act until the IRS scandal became public on May 10.

    link
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    @5Cats
    Perhaps that would change if "Faux News", The Blaze, or Breitbart start citing reputable sources.

    "ALL the ones you mention lean HEAVILY left/liberal"
    To you, ALL MEDIA "leans HEAVILY left", right? As you`ve repeated here dozens (hundreds?) of times. Kinda makes it hard to ever cite anything to your satisfaction, doesn`t it? lol
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    Well at least the Paula Deen scandal is going to blow over. Oh wait read the case filing against her company. Best line is, "Bubba frequently forget to shut off the kitchen computer leaving employees to share in his pornography adventure."
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    @chalekt: "The MSM" is highly left-biased. With exceptions. But there`s a pretty short character count at IAB and I honestly DO NOT feel like I HAVE TO TYPE:

    "With certain exceptions, on the whole, the MSM is usually (but not always) highly pro left-wing biased."

    EVERY SINGLE TIME!

    Do YOU talk like that? No? Then why should I?

    Breitbart and Fox REGULARLY use Reuters, AP, US Government and various MSM outlets themselves as their sources!
    Who`d bigoted now? You accuse me of doing exactly what you ACTUALLY DO.

    Amazing.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    No one`s saying what the IRS did was right,
    @WhoDat: Wrong. MANY pundits in the MSM have said exactly that. That the IRS was "simply doing it`s job" and that there was NO deliberate selection of right wing groups. Even though the IRS itself has admitted there WAS! The MSM still denies it!

    And the AG Office (Eric Holder) KNEW about it because there`d been a host of complaints BEFORE the Nov. election, but "sat on investigating" for over 6 months... another fact the MSM ignores...

    They`d have us believe that 90 "rogue agents" across the USA - SPONTANIOUSLY on the SAME DAY targeted "Tea Party" type groups and NONE OF THEIR superiors noticed? Despite a flurry of questions and complaints? For many months?

    Doesn`t pass the *sniff* test, does it?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm
    @5Cats - I`m not talking about "pundits" because I don`t listen to or take seriously any of the sh*t that comes out of their mouths. I`m talking about those, like me, who look at these issues as a whole. Not the people like you who say, "I don`t give a f*ck what happened, it`s Obama`s, liberals, Dems fault no matter what, blah, blah, blah..." or the ones who say, "I don`t give a f*ck, it`s not Obama`s fault, blah, blah, blah..." Not everyone sees things as black/white, night/day, left/right like you.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    July 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    Does anybody remember when news stations actually investigated stuff? Walter C, how I miss thee.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 9, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    Walter C, how I miss thee.
    Cronkite was a hard-core leftist. The only difference between him and Chris Matthews is that back then, there was nobody to call him in it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 9, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    I`m talking about those, like me, who look at these issues as a whole.
    @WhoDat: And where exactly does one find news persons who "look at whole issues"? Any sort of journalist?

    @Viking864: Of course they still do IN DEPTH investigative journalism! If it meets one of these criterion:
    #1 It bleeds (ratings)
    #2 It HELPS Obama
    #3 It HARMS those who oppose Obama.

    Simple really...
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2013 at 7:53 am
    If LA cops started taking in for quesdtioning anyone they came across that lived in XYZ subdivision. They might call it just organizing the workload. You and I would probably call it racist. The Chief of police and mayor might say that they did not know about and so it is not their fault. But you and I might argue that it is a result of a pattern of poor management and direction and place the blame on their shoulders.

    Same $hit different woods.

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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 10, 2013 at 8:09 am
    Has anyone here noticed that Russel George worked for Bob Dole, worked for Pres. George Bush, Senior, was appointed by Pres. George Bush, Junior. Likely identifies as a Republican. The Hill reports: "A spokesman for Russell George, Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, said they were asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) “to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations.” IF that`s true it`s NOT an Obama issue. GET OVER IT! I see 2 possible reasons Issa may want this (may be others): 1) Make sure groups who ID as conservative truly are before getting tax exempt status and 2) Create a situation that can be later used to create a scandal AND BLAME THE WHITEHOUSE. The facts of his prior Republican affiliations does NOT make it impossible that George is now siding with Obama and lying to his benefit but they extend over decades and I think it unlikely. So, if he`s Republican, why would he lie about I
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 10, 2013 at 8:11 am
    Sorry, that was "So, if he`s Republican, why would he lie about Issa?"
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 10, 2013 at 8:19 am
    @dang007,
    If, however, Reverend Al Sharpton made a specific request of the LAPD to "narrowly focus" on drugs sales by black people in Los Angeles, and they did so, would it then be okay when it blew up as a scandal to blame the Caucasian mayor of the city?
    That`s a bit more analogous to this story, at least as reported by The Hill.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2013 at 10:08 am
    >>>If, however, Reverend Al Sharpton made a specific request of the LAPD to "narrowly focus" on drugs sales by black people in Los Angeles, and they did so, would it then be okay when it blew up as a scandal to blame the Caucasian mayor of the city?
    That`s a bit more analogous to this story, at least as reported by The Hill.<<<

    If the LAPD is so easily convinced to do something that we would most likely all agree is racist at its core then YES I would hold the leaders, including the mayor accountable.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    So...if an underling in a very large organization, who has outside affiliations, works with an outside affiliate to bring down the CEO (which is sort of what this can be seen as), it`s the fault of the CEO? Actually, I don`t blame Russell George since I suspect he figured Issa just wanted specific information about groups claiming to be politically conservative. Of course, George could be lying.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    @broizfam: This is not about "an underling" it`s about a concerted & coordinated discrimination based on political opinion!

    The woman in charge of the IRS (at that time) OPENLY ADMITS to knowing about it... and letting it happen.

    IRS Timeline Scroll down past the cartoons...

    "1 March, 2010 - IRS officials start targeting organizations with "tea party", "patriot", and "9-12" in their names."
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 11, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    5Cats,
    Again, IF it`s correct that Republican Rep. Darrell Issa requested the "narrow focus" on those organisations, and I don`t accept that as proven, then it shouldn`t be reflected onto Obama.

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