Satirical Tirade Against `White Culture`

Submitted by: peakingo 3 years ago in Funny

Chris Hayes mocks Bill O"Reilly in the best way possible.
There are 43 comments:
Male 3,631
Professor, I`m going to respond to you first because your response was actually lucid and germane to the conversation.

[quote]Could it be that there are a disproportionate number of black people living in high crime areas, such as urban areas? Could that be the result of white flight starting in the late 40`s? In turn a result of minorities coming to urban centers for war-time work? In turn a result of poverty and prejudice?[/quote]
Well it`s interesting, `cause like Andrew pointed out, when blacks in America were enduring FAR more overt oppression from the white population, we didn`t see these types of statistics. The stereotypes were there, for SURE, but they ironically outweighed the actual truth. Now the reality seems to be disproportionately reversed. I can tell you as a white person we are raised to believe in diversity (while simultaneously reminded that race doesn`t exist somehow..) yet what we see with our own eyes contradicts any tendency toward equal behavior.
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Male 3,631
Now, to examine the propositions you advanced: Let`s ask ourselves, WHY should urban areas be considered high-crime in the first place? Is that just a foregone conclusion? You know, Carl Sagan grew up in Brooklyn - South Central used to be a fine place to live. For you to cite white-flight as a possible catalyst for the degradation of urban centers - aside from blaming the victim, isn`t that kind of like defeating the very argument you`re trying to make, which is that culture is to blame and shouldn`t be anchored to race? I would agree with you on that point (like the idea that studying hard [a cultural trait] or practicing monogamy makes you too "white" or something), but seriously, what - did a new `culture` suddenly move in? And those belonging to it didn`t share any common racial characteristics?
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Male 3,631
I think you might have twisted your argument into a little bit of a knot on that one, but yeah, that would be my conclusion if I were reading it out of context - that `white flight` invites urban decay because (implicitly,) another race moves in. I`m sure that`s not what you were trying to say.

Now, to move onto the next - how does moving to urban centers for war-time work necessarily lead to poverty and prejudice? I know there were a lot of women participating in the war-effort for the first time, and we didn`t see a boom in poverty but rather the reverse (probably a different war than the one you were referencing, but I`m not sure).
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Male 3,631
Where is the connection? Because it was part-time and they couldn`t find anything else after that? Which time period would we be referring to here?

Now, before this becomes a wall, may I address your question on whether or not "racial culture" actually exists. My impression - without any preexisting bigotry or prejudice - has always been that according to the black people I saw and knew, it did. It was "their" culture (emphasis theirs). THEIR channel. Their WORD. Culture FOLLOWS race, and people of similar ethnic background tend to congregate. That we cannot deny. But I agree that culture doesn`t necessarily, and in some cases SHOULDN`T, have to be tethered to it indefinitely - degeneracy is degeneracy, and it is something we should eschew rather than embrace. Now I will go further - it is probably something we should all agree on before attempting to identify it in the first place.
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Male 3,631
One last thing - if the statistics are real, why did you give McGovern such a hard time?
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Male 3,894
@Suicism--the statistics are real. The problem with many commenters here is that they point at the statistic and say "LOOK! There`s proof that them black folk just can`t behave themselves! Get it together, black people!"

The blame is being placed on a "racial culture" as though culture is inherent to race. Which implies there is something wrong with the race. Which is racism. Buried under a few layers of misdirection to be sure, but that`s what it is.

The real question we should be asking is `why do these statistics look the way they do?` The sociological approach takes the correlating and causal factors into consideration. Could it be that there are a disproportionate number of black people living in high crime areas, such as urban areas? Could that be the result of white flight starting in the late 40`s? In turn a result of minorities coming to urban centers for war-time work? In turn a result of poverty and prejudice?
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Male 4,431
Suicism, I can make statistic say anything I want them to say. It`s easy if I approach stat with a bias. Of course, bias can be applied to words, too. Racism, however, is what it is. You can pretend a white man reporting "statistics" about the criminal tendencies of "black people" is not racist all you want. But ignorance of reality is intelligence or wisdom. It`s just ignorance.
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Male 1,983
Freaking Spot on!
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Male 3,631
Alas, enough of this old crony cracker`s epithet espousals for one night - apparently I have a horseback-riding outing to wakeup for tomorrow. And Cohen? Totally such a Jewish name - doesn`t even count.
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Male 3,631
As for the video, we can thank white American youth`s `embrace` of hip-hop culture and thug-life for half of this "irresponsible and dangerous" behavior; but I saw plenty of people of color in that footage, and coming from a white person, the Huntington Beach trash is a sub-category for all I care, similar to Garden Grove and long-beach. Jersey shore isn`t even a guilty pleasure for me - I feel guilty for the fact that they even exist. Those people are white n*ggers to me, and it`s not for the fact that they may imitate black culture, it`s plain and simple degeneracy. Lowlives and scumbags are such regardless of background, and this "parody" doesn`t really do anything to rebut the argument like-minded individuals have already been making: this "dangerous and irresponsible" culture is NOT something to be embraced, but rather to be eschewed - it`s only ok to eschew it though when the targets are (allegedly) white.
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Male 3,631
Smag boy - citing statistical facts and commenting on their socioeconomic impact is NOT stereotyping, and certainly not shameless racism. You have two words to lookup tonight for your homework assignment: stereotyping and racism. You will find that one refers to indiscriminately applying statistical findings to INDIVIDUAL persons, and the other to a belief in ethnic supremacy and/or implementations to further an agenda thereof. Once you look them up, I`m sure you`ll be able to tell which is which. Since the black community already distinguishes itself more than the white community could ever hope to, it`s not inappropriate for somebody to offer advice on what is known to be a problem - the same one that racism has been blamed for - WITHIN that community. The whole POINT of this parody is, for me, that just because the commentator is white, doesn`t make his statement invalid. Or republican. Or Irish. These are characteristics selectively highlighted to invalidate their argument.
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Male 4,431
I love how blatant stereotyping (at best) and shameless racism (at worst) is defended as "providing constructive criticism". And supposedly I`m the one throwing bombs? Wow.
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Male 3,894
cont`d--it becomes much more difficult to climb out of that situation. It`s been done, of course it has, so don`t pull any anecdotal evidence on me. Let`s just face reality, though--the majority of people in this country, regardless of race, end up settling for the same social and economic situation they were born into.

I get where you`re coming from. You want to use the same measuring stick for everyone, and that`s a good thing. The problem is that even though many of us just want to treat humans like humans and let these divisions finally die, there are still way too many people who haven`t given them up.

This makes the country a very different place for people of other ethnicities, and *that* is the problem we need to do away with before we start pissing and moaning about how irresponsible black people are for not suddenly picking themselves up by their own bootstraps.
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Male 3,894
@Andrew155--it`s not the skin color or `race` that is the problem. Sure, people like to say `black culture,` but what does that even mean? If an African comes over from Ghana, will he suddenly adopt all of our stereotypes and expectations for his skin color? If a black family lives out in the suburbs, away from the violence, poverty, corruption and dangers of city life, will their children receive magical impulses through their invisible antennae to start breaking into houses and shooting other black kids?

If there is a culture problem, it stems from living in a city without much money. You`ll find white people behaving in the same way in the same circumstances. So why is it that statistics implicate black people so heavily? Because with dismal education systems, coming from families who were at one point the very bottom rung on the social ladder, facing prejudice and mistrust even today (though not so bad as it was, as you pointed out)
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Male 4,072
I don`t blame any of them, a person my size could go threw them like a wet noodle. And in bad neighborhoods you`d be stupid not to be on your guard.

My problem is that certain people feel that blacks are the only ones that are treated with suspicion because they are black. Like it has nothing to do with them being big, or young, or a male, or in a bad neighborhood.

I wouldn`t think a black woman would feel anymore safe if three huge white redneck looking guys were standing around her in a place like a Mississippi. And I don`t see anyone clutching their purses around old feeble black ladies in good neighborhoods in Maryland, and trust me Maryland is full of that.

Its not about being black or white, its about who commits the crime in that area and how much of a threat they would pose if they were to turn out to be bad.
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Male 4,072
@2L84ME: "White autonomy is a privilege whites don`t understand."

I think it`s something that you don`t understand. I love when people feel that people and cops give a free ride to white people. Like they would get a job, wouldn`t go to jail for a crime, or get a ticket if they were white. I listened to the Presidents speech about women clutching their purses and people locking their doors. All I could think was "I guess he thinks it`s just blacks." I`m 6`5" and anytime I stand next to a little 5`3" woman you can see them clutching their purse the same way.

I had a little guy scream in horror and cover his head when I sneezed next to him on a bus. (not at him, I was just loud)

And I had police tell me to get on the ground even when I was the one who called them to the scene because I thought my neighbor was being robbed.

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Male 2,578
Professor, it`s a complete deflection and denial of realities. And in this reality people like CNN`s Don Lemon and Bill O`Reilly are actually providing constructive criticism and people like you ignore it. The fact is that people of this "certain skin pigmentation" (which is a dumb and intentionally flippant way to reduce an entire culture of 40 million people) has dismal statistics across the board. Hispanics, of a similar income level, do not have the same dismal statistics. And moreover, Blacks of 50 years ago, far more oppressed, did not have these dismal statistics. So there`s something up.

Once again, 75% grow up without fathers. That is a big deal and you will never solve the problem if people like you continue to be afraid to talk about it.
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Male 14,332
DrProfessor cool story brah! Still dosen`t change the truth.
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Male 3,894
@Gerry--yes, that was part of the point of this satire. It`s ridiculous to label crime and behavior as race-specific. It`s absolutely asinine to talk about things as though races are these super-organized units that should all be responsible for one another. Like talking about `black leadership` as if some talking head has magical powers over everybody with the same skin color.

If you would have watched to the end (or even skipped to the end), the commentator came out and made his point directly "If you just watched that segment and thought that`s an absolutely ridiculous premise, and that it`s an absolutely terrible way to talk about millions of people who share nothing, nothing except their general, broad pigmentation, then you`d be right."
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Male 2,578
May I also point out that those surfer riots were clearly a multi-racial riot? I mean, at least there is something all the races can do together, I guess.

The funny thing is that I saw a riot almost as bad at a gas station off Interstate 95 at about 5am in South Carolina. It will get no coverage because there was nothing unique about it, it`s a typical occurrence in those locales.
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Male 3,894
McGovern, I am embarrassed that you exist.
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Male 14,332
[quote]Whites don`t excuse the bad behavior of other whites, just because they are white.
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Ya imagine that what a concept not even just whites. It alway one specific culture that always tries to pass the buck and then demand respect in the same breath.

[quote]Blacks are 12% of the population and commit more than 50% of the murders. 75% grow up without fathers. [/quote]

Facts dey racist!
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Male 14,332
DISS is whitey fault cause I can`t take responsibilityz fo myz own actionz. When every other culture is sick of hearing the same excuse for s***ty human behaviour mabey that should tell you something!
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Male 406
Before i start trolling... there very right about most of what they say.

having said that so how white are you? How many horse do you have?
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Male 208
White autonomy is a privilege whites don`t understand.
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Male 13,624
Well that went well
right?.....
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Male 334
am i wrong here, feel free to tell me. But it seems to me that this is a mockup of how often black on black crime is seen as a race thing yet other crimes are seen as acts by individuals.

Should we not let go of our own double standards in this and see things as a problem when it is, regardless of race and politics?

i mean, boy`s knocking up girls and moving in is a problem, not a black problem. a person killing another for what ever reason is a problem, not a race problem.

i guess the true argument would be what do we see as a problem, not, what race a problem belongs too. If we are to be one community we need to see eachothers as members of that community, not as secondary members of that community.
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Male 2,578
lauriloo, you literally just said that half the murders being black didn`t matter because it was black people killing black people. So weird!

And yes, it is so rare for the race hustlers to look at themselves for their own problems, you don`t understand that? It`s always someone else`s fault. I am fully willing to talk about it openly. 75% of black children have no father. You will not talk about that because you are a coward. You will end the discussion with "That`s racist!", when it`s just a problem, a factual problem. It`s the most dominating fact and a primary root cause of poverty and all of the other dismal statistics associated with the black community.

To fix poverty, finish high school, have a father, and don`t have a baby until you`re 20. That`s the recipe provided by the racist Clinton administration. It`s not that difficult and your camp has not given a flying shiite about it.
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Male 1,341
@Turd (lulz) Nope, as in nope, I don`t excuse the bad behavior of whites just because they`re white. Whatever, I`m drunk.
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Male 38,468

Blah blah blah
Rich people steel from poor people.
This crosses all racial barriers. Rich Asians keep the gold for themselves and don`t give it to the coolies in the rice paddies. Rich blacks in Africa don`t care about the poor. Sheiks are way wealthier than many kings.

But let`s call it "white crime" `cause you can get way with that and idiots will believe you.
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Male 1,745
That was excellent! Too bad it peobably flies over the head of people that need to comprehend its message the most.
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Female 1,803
Chris Hayes is awesome. Those of you complaining about "black" crime make me laugh. Most of those murders committed by black people were killing other black people, usually because of gangs or drugs. White people tend to kill white people because they are nuts or on drugs. You complain about crime but you also refuse to support the programs designed to fix the problems like better education and better-paying non-college-degree jobs. You just want to sit in your easy chairs, complain about "them", and expect things to magically change. The "them" are really poor people who just happen to be mostly minorities who can`t find a way out of poverty. Every culture tends to stay in the rut they grew up in. Richer people have more opportunity and mentors to guide them, just the truth.

Seriously, Andrew155? Nobody tells girls not to get pregnant young and finish high school? At least we know how you think about black people.
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Male 4,893

Kego - Your comment doesn`t make sense. I can`t figure whether your agree or disagree.

You start off by saying NOPE. Which suggests that you disagree. Then your statement after agrees.
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Male 2,440
MSNBC is f*cking laughable because of horseh*t like this.

Disclaimer: I also don`t like Fox. Don`t try and say that I do. Thank you.
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Male 550
@OldOllie "At least we HAVE a culture."


LOL
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Male 15,832
At least we HAVE a culture.
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Male 1,341
"Whites don`t excuse the bad behavior of other whites, just because they are white."

Nope. A dumb ass white person committing a crime is just as dumb as a dumb ass black/hispanic/japanese or whatever person committing a crime.
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Male 1,059
We`re told by the Attorney General that we are cowards when it comes to talking about race and that we should have an open discussion about race. But as soon as someone starts talking about it, especially if they speak the truth, they are ridiculed and called a racist. Nothing but liars and hypocrites on the left.
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Male 4,893

Whites don`t excuse the bad behavior of other whites, just because they are white.
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Male 2,578
Your whole video just more trash from the Progressive Fox news (think of it that way, hack) and is deflecting blame and has no place in reality. Blacks are 12% of the population and commit more than 50% of the murders. 75% grow up without fathers. The list goes on. And no, it`s not a result of poverty. Conditions were far worse decades ago, and none of these numbers were this high. Black Culture is not off limits to anyone, and we need to stop deflecting.

People will always go and blame white people or Bill O`Reilly for Black people`s problems. The civil rights leaders will never look within and tell Black Women to wait until 25 to have babies, or finish high school.

Either that, or I guess it`s all O`Reilly`s fault.
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Male 2,578
Once again, going after an easy target. You know, there have been some black people who have actually been standing up for him and saying O`Reilly didn`t go far enough, like CNN`s Lemon. It makes sense, take Lemon`s advice. Black culture isn`t off limits just because they`re black.


Doesn`t go far enough
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Female 178
My prom date was very white, she used to ride horses LOL!!!
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Male 761
Link: Satirical Tirade Against `White Culture` [Rate Link] - Chris Hayes mocks Bill O`Reilly in the best way possible.
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