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Date: 07/26/13 04:50 PM

36 Responses to Praying Away the Gay & Abortions – Must Be Church?

  1. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    Link: Praying Away the Gay & Abortions - Must Be Church? - Nope, Alabama State Public Service Commission Meeting. Yay for ``Small`` Government and Appropriate Tax Spending!
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    I thought your country had a constitution that keeps religious garbage like this out of government.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    and people ask me why i`m atheist
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 6:41 pm
    actually, there is no mention of separation of church & state in the constitution. "States rights" is, and that`s what their doing. It`s definitely messed up what they are "praying for", and for sure you will not hear prayer in the Alabama court. They`ve tried that before.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 7:29 pm
    I try to stay away from rooms full of people who are that deluded
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    I have always had a moral code that it is rude to ridicule other people`s faith. I might think it`s obviously stupid, but they take it seriously so it`s just bad manners {and way too easy} to belittle it. But I am getting sick and tired of christians and muslims who insist their way is the only way. I`ve been beaten down and I`m tired of those religious drattards.

    For the record, your God does not care enough bout you to prevent your poverty, or to prevent you from getting cancer. He? doesn`t care enough to protect you from random violence or lightening strikes. Statistically you take the same risks I {an atheist} do. He? doesn`t seem to involve Himself in your life at any level so why do you cling to the delusion that He? exists? You have inner strength and don`t need mumbo-jumbo to make it rain.

    Grow Up.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    danagamer, "actually, there is no mention of separation of church & state in the constitution."
    Please let me be the first to congratulate you on achieving this level of stupidity. The First, not just one of them, the FIRST amendment prohibits Congress from making of any law that establishes, prohibits {or endorses} any religion. You as a citizen are free to worship any faith you like but the guv`ment cannot show favoritism for one over another....or any religion at all. Separation of church from the state. 1st Amendment.

    Not that we pay much attention to the Constitution in America anymore.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    "States Rights" cannot supersede the Constitution. First Amendment trumps States Rights.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    I agree with you gerry. When I was younger I chose to believe there was a god. I figured that he made the world, sent it spinning around the sun, and let whatever happens...happen. It`s weird how religious people believe that god influences our daily lifes, when infant babies are born sick, tortured, and die. When good happens to bad people.

    I have grown since then. I don`t believe in god, but I don`t NOT believe in god. Whatever the case is though, it appears obvious that he isn`t making any decisions.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    2 things - 1 I`m tired of Christians and muslims pushing their agenda on others and then being taken aback when others disagree with theim.

    2: It`s Friday, I`m drunk. Pay no attention to the sad drunk republican in the corner.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    "But I am getting sick and tired of christians and muslims who insist their way is the only way."

    We should just let hem kill each other
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    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
    450 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm
    WTF? Are you kidding me? Man, religious people are such fags.
    If you haven`t watched it yet do yourself a favor and just fast forward to 5:20 or so. The rest is boring run of the mill "god is great and we aren`t" crap.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    Obviously prayer is not going to fix anything, I prayed for 30+ years for politicians to pull their heads out of their a**es and that has yet to work.
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    2L84ME Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2013 at 9:12 pm
    I am more disturbed that these kind of prayers can even take place in a government meeting.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    I want Hawai`i to secede from the Union.
    Create a non-religious state. One where fact is the basis of law, not superstition.

    I`m ready to move.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:14 am
    I wonder if the Huff`npuff post would be as outraged were there an islamic community implicating Shariah law into the American justice system locally? I hear they don`t take too kindly to your type around here.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 1:43 am
    Suicism, did you really just ask that?!?! Of course they would be just as worked up about it! But, the silly thing is that, a), that`s not effing happening, and, b) if it DID happen, we`d have no worries because our conservative Christian citizens would literally lose their drating poo over it and probably kill someone in the stampeded to write laws to prevent it (if laws aren`t, ironically, already in place to prevent just that). Do you honestly think that Christians are being persecuted in this country, and in favor of Muslims? Really?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:27 am
    For the record, I really *like* drunk Gerry! In vino veritas, eh? :-)
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 4:55 am
    What is the full context here? Was the pastor a member or leading this committee meeting or did he just get up to speak as "a citizen" in a council meeting and begin with this?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 5:13 am
    paperduck, the article states:

    A July 17 meeting held by the Alabama Public Service Commission, a state government agency, began with a prayer from a Baptist minister who was introduced as a friend of Commission President Twinkle Andress Cavanaugh.

    The minister, John Jordan of East Memorial Baptist Church in Prattville, Ala., who is also a member of the Alabama Tea Party, began his prayer by polling those present to see who believed in God. Then he went on to pray for a number of things, including forgiveness from God for the "sins" of abortion and gay marriage.

    "We`ve taken you out of our schools and out of our prayers," Jordan intoned. "We have murdered your children. We`ve said it`s okay to have same-sex marriage. We have sinned and we ask once again that you forgive us for our sins."

    Keep in mind, this is Alabama State Government. State Public Service Commission.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:43 am
    Prayer is always a good thing. Besides theres a lot of history of what happened to countries that temtped God. It`s not something that`s good to do. People are quick to ignore it, but i would bet things in the world are approaching the level of wickedness that was described in the story of Noah, the time before the flood.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:58 am
    If you`re promoting abstinence-only education then you might as well be promoting abortions.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2013 at 7:44 am
    747Pilot, I hope that was just blatant trolling. If not, I invite you to replace the word "prayer" with "compassion" in your post, and "tempted God" with "ignored the equality of *all* men, not just those in the majority." Point being, it`s easy to attribute past events to God. Watch, I can do it: Remember the Boston Bombing? God`s revenge for Boston being a haven for gay people. Remember 9/11? That`s due to lesbians in NYC. AIDS? That`s God`s wrath, too. See how easy that is? Dang, God sounds pretty loving, eh?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    July 27, 2013 at 8:00 am
    Conservatives. Smh.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    @747Pilot



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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    Let`s make a deal.

    We`ll get rid of the south in exchange for you dumping New York and California. Let`s dump Florida too while we`re at it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    As for the small government quip - you`ve missed the point my friend.

    This is an excellent example of why small government is wonderful; it limits potential damage. Very few people are affected and those affected at least have some recourse.

    Imagine if the federal government passed a stupid rule like this; they never go away. Last time I checked, oil companies are still subsidized, FDA regulations kill tens of thousands annually, the USDA continues to attack milk and sheep farmers, the DEA is still raiding in Colorado and Washington, and CBP is a joy to work with - not to mention the IRS.

    Yea, come to think of it, I`d rather have the small government.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    I think we should get rid of the midwest. Maybe do something like George Carlin suggested.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    @whodat6484

    Why the Midwest? I would much rather live here (Western Wisconsin) than in New York. I lived in New York until I was 22.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    @HumanAction - Mostly because it bores me. I lived in Colorado for a few years and did a lot of travelling for the utility contractor I worked for. I worked in CO, KS, WY, NE, UT, OK, MO & IA and hated every minute of it.

    The one thing that put me over the edge when I realized I had to move back to NY was when my ex & I went to her parents house, near the CO/KS border, one weekend. We get out of the car and go around to the back of the house and everyone`s sitting there drinking beer and watching a bug-zapper for entertainment. That was when I decided New York was the only place for me.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    @whodat

    That`s fair enough; there is definitely less to do here than there was in Buffalo - which doesn`t have much compared to other cities in NY. Luckily, I`m less than an hour from St. Paul.

    The thing that makes me nuts about NY is that everything is taxed in one way or another: beer cans - deposits; highway - tolls; handgun - permits. On top of that, income taxes are ridiculous and everything costs more. I had a small, crummy mid-size 2BD 2BA duplex that cost me $1300/mo there. I have a much better 2BD 2BA here for almost half.

    Then there`s a huge social difference. People live in communities here; I actually know and spend time with my neighbors. We clear each others driveways in the winter. Everyone exercises and the farmers markets are huge.

    The complaints I have here are religion (super pervasive), it gets really cold, and it can be boring. The food`s tastier in NY too.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    I don`t know what this has to do with small government and big government (loaded terms indeed). You can have this, or not have this, if gov`t spending is 5% of GDP, 8% of gdp (like pre-war FDR era), a Truman 15%, a Kennedy 17%, or today`s over 20% of GDP, which is considered too small for some reason.

    And those are just federal numbers, state and local spending will add 10% in the modern era. So gov`t spending is over 30% of GDP now and it`s a considered small government, much too small and weak. It`s flimsy due to its lack of funding (at 30% of GDP). Funny thing is that during LBJ`s big government days, it was only about 24%, and during Reagan`s "small government" days, it was well over 30% for some years.


    It turns out that most things you hear are lies. False narratives of our time.
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:07 pm
    Hate, Hate, Hate em all!!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    @HumanAction - Yeah, the taxes are a b*tch, especially living in NYC. Now I have to pay NYC tax on top of State & Federal, which sucks. Rent here is ridiculous too, I rented a 5BR 3BA house in Denver for about $1500/mo. In NYC that only gets you a studio apt in a fairly decent neighborhood.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 1:51 am
    Andrew, small government stays out of the people`s business--or so that`s what its advocates would have you believe. Small government exists only to run the very few things its needed for (organizing and maintaining a military, and...that`s about it). Most would say it shouldn`t run schools, utilities, police or fire forces, etc. Some would even say it shouldn`t maintain roads, bridges or even clean water. That all of that can be provided to those who pay via private industry.

    Point is, typically those who spout that crazy bull poo are the same ones trying to make laws that put government right into the bedroom of consenting adults, right up into the wombs of tax paying citizens. It`s hypocrisy at its finest. No false narrative there.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    Gee smag, I guess you forgot all about the libertarian party. Not everyone who advocates small government is a neo-con hypocrite; and yes, there are currently efforts to introduce shariah law into the US justice system, so it is `effin` happening,` but aside from your pigeonholing of the limited government movement into one selective sect which suits your characterization, I can otherwise tell how unbiased you are by your characterization of our country`s religious base, which I am neither advocating for nor against. But with a narrative like yours, I could see how persecution could now be a viable possibility.

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