People Are Outraged at Zimmerman`s Verdict

Submitted by: SweepOfDeath 4 years ago in

Should they be? Should he be charged federally?
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Male 676
Exactly McGovern. I`m sick of this poo. Two punk black kids kill a white 13 month old, not a hate crime. What about the white woman coming out of the Pediatricians office in Texas, black woman kills her and takes her baby, not a hate crime. Guy kills a black kid that`s on top of him beating his head into the concrete, hate crime. If that was my son in the stroller, I would lose and kill everyone black teen I came across. Give them a reason to call it a hate crime. Black people don`t want equality, they want special privileges and that is equal. But no one wants to admit the truth
in this country. Like the slave facts say, only 480,000 out of 12.8 million came to North America. You would think that 12 million out of 12.8 came here. I`m not a second-class citizen and I will not be regarded as one that lays down so the black man can step on me all because of past transgressions that I don`t agree with any way. So if you`re black and think you`re owed something, drat off...
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Male 14,331
@Gerry1of1

LOL!! Ya but we`re smart enough not to take him seriously.
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Male 39,543

McGovern, [quote]"There is not a white equivalent of Al Sharpton "[/quote]
Mel Gibson?
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Male 2,667
McG...don`t go around making intelligent posts here. They just don`t seem fit in.
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Male 14,331
There is not a white equivalent of Al Sharpton because if there was
he would be declared racist, so there is no one rushing to Brunswick GA
to demand justice for me. There is no White Panther party to put a
bounty on the lives of those who murdered me. I have no voice, I have no
representation and unlike those who shot me in the face while I sat
innocently in my stroller - I no longer have my life.

So while you are seeking justice for Treyvon, please remember to seek
justice for me too. Tell your friends about me, tell you families, get
tee shirts with my face on them and make the world pay attention, just
like you did for Treyvon"

Share with all Humans
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Male 14,331
73% non-white
neighborhood, but my murder was not ruled a Hate Crime. Nor did
President Obama take so much as a single moment to acknowledge my
murder.

I am one of the youngest murder victims in our great Nation`s
history, but the media doesn`t care to cover the story of my tragic
demise, President Obama has no children who could possibly look like me -
so he doesn`t care and the media doesn`t care because my story is not
interesting enough to bring them ratings so they can sell commercial
time slots.

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Male 14,331
You won`t recognize me. My name
was Antonio West and I was the 13-month old child who was shot at point
blank range by two teens who were attempting to rob my mother, who was
also shot. A Grand Jury of my mommy`s peers from Brunswick GA determined
the teens who murdered me will not face the death penalty...too bad I
was given a death sentence for being innocent and defenseless.

My family made the mistake of being white in a
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Male 6,227
@ MeGrendel: 3.8"?! No wonder Kim Jong-un has a long-range missile fetish.
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"OMG you Lacists!"

Fact: Typical tanning customer profile is white, between the age of 18 and 44.

Fact: African American men were 30% more likely to die from heart disease than were non-Hispanic white men

Fact: The 11 countries with the smallest tools:
North Korea (3.8")
South Korea (3.8")
Cambodia (3.95")
Thailand (4.0")
India (4.03")
Taiwan (4.24")
Philippines (4.27")
Sri Lanka (4.29")
China (4.29")
Japan (4.3")
Hong Kong (4.41").

So, `facts` are `lacist`?

Btw..I said `dated`, not `slept with`.
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Female 2,549
Q:`Are you not even a little racist?`

Megrendles A:Everyone is to a certain bit.`
Ha I knew it you butthole.

When you talk about entire populations, you will see definite differences based on race (for example, whites tend to go to more tanning salons than blacks.
Nobody says that! are you like orange?

And, as a race, blacks have a higher incedence of heart disease.
Um they do! That`s not racist, that`s a fact. More awareness is necessary.

And Asians tend to need smaller condoms.
OMG you Lacists!

Ok am done trollin you & just for the record how many different coloured women you have slept with is not a indication of you colour neutrality. Ugh

:-)


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Male 8,418
sutra46-"Are you not even a little racist?`

Everyone is to a certain bit. When you talk about entire populations, you will see definite differences based on race (for example, whites tend to go to more tanning salons than blacks. And, as a race, blacks have a higher incedence of heart disease. And Asians tend to need smaller condoms.)

On an individual basis, I consider race irrelevent.

I work with all races in many nations. I don`t consider their race when I have opinions of them. I only judge them on their work ethic, intelligence, how well they do their job, and how them doing a crappy job makes my life harder. There is no corrolation between any of these functions and race. (I find nationality is responsible for more idiosyncrasies than race)

And, before I settled down I dated white, mexican, korean and black girls/women.
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Female 2,549
Megrendle, am asking you in all sincerity. Are you not even a little racist?
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"What do you do when you find yourself racist?"

Sorry, it doesn`t happen. But it is humorous to watch people with small brains throwing around the term `racist` because they believe it actually helps their argument in any way.

I realize that you enjoy throwing around the race card, as it helps you in the delusion that you actually have any rationale thoughts.

The reallity is, though, that just because someone`s opinions dissagrees with you does not equate to them being `racists`.
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Female 2,549
Megrendle, I admit to being stupid on regular basis, when I do realize that I am being stupid, without fail and with tremendous grace I correct myself. Not today.
Now you tell
What do you do when you find yourself racist? You know you are to your rotten core.
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Male 6,227
@ Sutra46: Well, progressive that I am, I`m totally onboard with encouraging changes in our society so that horrible things like this are less likely to occur. Better public school funding and a less gun-focused society would be a good start.

That said, I think we have to work with the laws we have or work to change them. I think the jury on the Zimmerman-Martin case did a competent job of interpreting the existing law with the facts that were presented.
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Female 2,549
Hiya Squrlz, point of discussion is broader then the two involved here.
Wish I had returned on a happier thread about dog & cats or squirrels and similar.
I do understand the legality of the issue but if we as people are not willing to change the law to a sensible set then it`s gonna affect us all, one or the other.
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"Smart enough not be black? "

You are a VERY special kind of stupid, aren`t you?

sutra46-"Kid was killed do you not have any respect for his life?"

Why should I have any more (or less) respect for his life than he does himself?

I respect others enough not to punch them in the face.

I respect my life enough not to put it in danger by punching someone else in the face.

It`s not that difficult of a concept.

Here`s one thing you haven`t considered (nor ever would). You keep saying `a kid wouldn`t jump an adult`. You`re correct. A kid that was not up to something would wait for the cops and explain `just walking home`. On the other hand, a kid up to something (say, carrying a slim-jim looking for a stereo to steal) wouldn`t want to face the cops and might be willing to assault
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Male 2,357
@sutra

As for considering the other side, I have, and I didn`t think the story was likely.

Everyone who says that Zimmerman initiated contact assumes that he chased down Martin. How? How on Earth did the severely out-of-shape Zimmerman manage to outrun or outmaneuver the much more athletic Martin?

It just doesn`t add up. According to the tape, Martin separates from Zimmerman; he`s away scot-free. How does Zimmerman catch up to the vastly superior athlete running for his life?

It`s overwhelmingly likely that he didn`t. Rather, the simplest, most logical explanation is that Martin came back of his own free will.

If you follow the logic and evidence and come to the conclusion that Martin came back, then we get a greatly different picture.
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"Man report a unfamiliar and to him a suspicious looking black man"

Correction. Man reports an unfamiliar and suspicious looking teenager. When asked by the operator "is he white, black, or hispanic?" GZ replies `He looks black.`

sutra46-"Man now gives chase"

No evidence of such. (Do you generally pull stuff out of your ass?)

sutra46-"How many if us think it justified to have lost our life over those stupid decision when we were kids?"

Justice has nothing to do with it. Many times your stupidity is fatal. It`s not about what is `fair`, it`s about the reality of the world.
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Female 2,549
Megrendel, like you say your kids are smart enough.
Smart enough not be black?

What this race goes through every day in their own country.
If you honestly believe that blacks, especially young black males are not discriminated against then I can`t really argue the point further with you.
If it was a white or an Asian kid in this scenario at best the cops would turn up and decide that it was a simple misunderstanding. Kid was killed do you not have any respect for his life? .
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Male 2,357
@sutra

This is what I hear, broken down so you can reference the times if you so choose:

2:09 - Zimmerman gets out of his trick;
2:13 - Zimmerman leaves his truck;
2:22 - Breathing heavily (obviously running), Zimmerman is asked if he is following; he says "Yeah";
2:26 - Zimmerman told that "we don`t need you to do that"; he replies "OK";
2:39 - Heavy breathing stops; Zimmerman says "He ran" clearly indicating that he is no longer following; conversation with dispatcher is now regular.

From what I hear, Zimmerman has completely lost track/sight of Martin. If Martin did not want a confrontation to occur, it was well within his ability to get away at this point. The only logical conclusion I can come to is that Martin came back to Zimmerman instead of trying to evade him.

Even if it was line of sight, Martin, given his athleticism, could easily have outran Zimmerman.
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Male 6,227
Sutra, while I was initially of the "Zimmerman`s Guilty" camp, I`ve switched sides and now think the verdict was appropriate. Here`s why.

(1) Zimmerman didn`t have any bruises to his hands or knuckles. Martin did. Zimmerman had injuries to his head and face. Martin didn`t. It`s pretty clear that Martin was beating Zimmerman and pretty vigorously at that. Based on who was beating whom, I think it follows that the cries for help heard on the 911 call were Zimmerman.

(2) Was Martin intending to beat Zimmerman to death? I don`t think so. But I don`t know. Do I think Zimmerman believed his life was in danger? Yes. Is that all`s that`s needed in FL law to justify using the gun? Yes.

(3) Was Zimmerman overzealous? Yes. Would be have been a lot wiser to have remained in his car? Yes. Is bad judgment illegal? Well... no.

Glad to see you in the threads again, hon. ~hug~
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Female 2,549
Humanaction is there any way you are willing to consider the other side?
Two days ago I was on my way home and saw a Austin Martin parked next door and went over to see, circled around and then got a call from sis to get home so she could conference with me and Mom as planned. So I ran home. That was 12.30 at night my time.
Do you see?
How many of us have done stupid things when we were 17? How many of us turned out to be Thugs?
How many if us think it justified to have lost our life over those stupid decision when we were kids?
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Female 2,549
HumanAction, gave a listen to link.
This is what I hear.
Man report a unfamiliar and to him a suspicious looking black man in his neighborhood & calls it in.
No problem so far, I would do the same
The dispatch is responsive and is sending cops to check out the situation.
Situation now changes where the
said suspicious person is now running away from the area. ( why we do not know)
The status now is
No Immediate danger to person or property
& cops are still on the way.
Man now gives chase ( if the weapon is visible or concealed we do not know)
There is no crime or even an attempt.
There is no reason for the chase except the mans bias that `THESE pips always get away`
Now let`s count 13 seconds of chase 1 Mississippi ... Of a man chasing you with a gun when you are trying to get away from him. Boy felt he was in danger and defended himself
Cont.
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Male 14,331
If you defend Zimmerman a HISPANIC man you`re now racist LOL!! Then "black culture" wonders why no one can take them seriously now WOW!
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"no reason to chase him"

There was no chase. `Follow` =/= `chase`.

sutra46-"The man chased"

There was no chase.

sutra46-" with the gun on him because he fully intended to harm the boy."

Not supported by the facts of the case.

sutra46-"Chances are he would run,"

Evidence finds that he did not run, but ambushe GZ

sutra46-"not stay and pound a man and risk assault charges."

Evidence finds that he did. (You really need to stop projecting your own pussiness onto others. Many teenagers think they are Invincible. The fact that TM was in a fight club probably made him think he was.)

sutra46-"stand over there with all the other douchbag racists."

Sorry, your Race Card is no longer effective. Using it is now an automatic admission of failure.
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"certain that the teenage `boy` was there to commit crime "

Certain? No. But it`s been proven that a) he was observed walking around and looking at cars (which is suspicious) and b) he ad the tools to break into cars (of course, GZ did not know that, so it`s no relevent to his actions).

As a wise man once said "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands."

sutra46-"Based on what?"

The only thing GZ could base his suspicion on were TM`s actions at the time, which were suspicious.

sutra46-"boy has no prior conviction or a record"

You`re either ignorant or a liar:
Suspended from school three times.
He was on suspension when he was shot for being caught with a marijuana pipe and drug residue.
Caught with a burglary tool and bag full of women`s jewelry.
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Male 2,357
@sutra46

I`m afraid your entire scenario is not supported by any of the evidence. First off, Zimmerman "chased" Martin for no more than 13 seconds before losing him. He stopped "chasing" as soon as he was told it was not necessary. You`ve been given, and are spreading, misinformation.

I`m sorry that this doesn`t fit your narrative but it is quite obvious if you`d only listen to the tape yourself. George Zimmerman clearly does not do what you allege he does.

Here, I`ll Even Give You The Link

If you listen to this tape, consider all of the evidence, and still believe that Zimmerman acted with hate and malice, then I think the only reasonable explanation is that you are the racist here. You are willing to support a fantasy not based in our reality in order to justify your hate of white, gun-carrying men.
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Female 2,549
Musuko42, never heard of rulings being overturned?
You are cute with your liable threat. Try it.
&
Join the douchbag line, where it forks to racist and a retard.
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Male 2,850
@sutra46

Zimmerman has been found innocent in a court of law. I`d be careful of the accusations you make: you can be sued for libel.

"Now you go and stand over there with all the other douchbag racists."

Any chance we can get her banned now, please?
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Male 413
`the boy has no prior conviction or a record`

Thanks to the miami dade superintendant covering it up
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Female 2,549
Megrendel, you seem to be absolutely certain that the teenage `boy` was there to commit crime & that the boy attacked the guy. Based on what? the boy has no prior conviction or a record the man though does.
Just because a boy is hanging, walking slowly, looking menacingly at you is no reason to chase him. I don`t have any problem that the killer called police & that`s where it should have stopped. He could have video taped the boy, he could have called the other neighbors to come out and watch with him. The man chased with the gun on him because he fully intended to harm the boy. What he did not expect is a fight back and then he shot him. You keep serving yourself some more horse poo. If the boy was there to committee said crime without any weapon on him. Chances are he would run,not stay and pound a man and risk assault charges.
Now you go and stand over there with all the other douchbag racists.
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Female 2,549
Reignblazer, that me laugh
Smartass
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Male 2,332
"The only way to resolve an argument this intractable is with guns. Everyone line up in two rows 20 paces apart civil-war style ..."

Except you Sutra46. You`re just going to `take the beating`. :3
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Male 15,832
As long as they`re burning their own neighborhoods down, I don`t give a loose dry f***.
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Male 15,180
The only way to resolve an argument this intractable is with guns. Everyone line up in two rows 20 paces apart civil-war style ...
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Female 592
Congratulations George. I would shake your hand. I for one, am on your side.
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Male 8,418
This is sutra46`s argument to date:

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Male 8,418
sutra46-"How is it not racist?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

sutra46-"How else would you be OK with this?"

Person A follows Person B. Person B attacks Person A. Person A, in fear of his life, shots Person B while being attacked. Shooting is ruled justifiable by Persons C,D,E,F,G & H.

Tell me. Where is race involved in that?.

sutra46-"The teenager was walking home"

Correction. Teenager was casing cars.

sutra46-"was not seen, heard doing anything even suspicious"

Correction. Teenager was obseved casing cars.

sutra46-He was walking home to his family. "

Correction. He was casing cars.

Why don`t you do a little research.
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"if you teenage child was shot to death, on his way home."

1) My teenage child is smart enough not to go in other peoples yard and case their cars.
2) My teenage child is smart enough not to take a swing at another person.

But why do you keep bringing up `what if` when it has nothing to do with what we know.

sutra46-"The chances of the boy attacking the man are, for any sane and not racially biased thinker, nil."

TM was not a `boy`. I know many 17 years olds stupid enough to take a swing at cops, much less anyone else.

Your opinions are not really based in reality, are they?

sutra46-"with circumstantial and"

Direct observatoin of someone casing cars does not classify as `circumstantial`.

sutra46-" intended/admitted evidence of physical intervention"

Sorry, there was no evidence of `physical intervention` on GZ`s part, just on TM`s. (hint: following is n
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Female 2,549
Musuko42, if anyone ever attacks you with a weapon, does not even have to be a firearm, as you are going down; Remember that your fists are a deadly weapon.

He was not a prized fighter.
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Male 1,449
Back in the old days, Profiling meant stopping somebody only because they were (as an example) black. If somebody commits a crime and you have a physical description of them and stop or observe somebody meeting the description, that`s not profiling, that`s called using common sense. It seems the idiots today have decided to rewrite the definition of profiling and racism.
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Female 2,549
Mrgrendel, wonder if you would have these `legal` binders if you teenage child was shot to death, on his way home.
The chances of the boy attacking the man are, for any sane and not racially biased thinker, nil. The man on the other hand, with circumstantial and intended/admitted evidence of physical intervention; followed a d then shot the teenager.
As a society if we think that is OK then then it is beyond fixing.

How is it not racist? How else would you be OK with this? How could anyone convince themselves of justification for this? The teenager was walking home, was not seen, heard doing anything even suspicious. He was walking home to his family.
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Male 2,850
@sutra46

"Unarmed teenager was shot to death in the street."

Muscles, fists, and a willingness to use them, constitute a deadly weapon.

Martin was not carrying a gun, but he was by no means unarmed.
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Male 8,418
sutra46-"he should not have follows him"

Is not an illegal act.

sutra46-"armed man"

Is not an illegal act.

sutra46-"with no `reason` followed a teenager"

Is not an illegal act, and the `reason` was a teenager that was casing vehicles.

sutra46-"and started a fight "

No evidence that Z started the fight. All availble evidence points to TM starting said fight.

sutra46-"He should taken the beating"

Which could have resulted in Z`s death. Kinda hard to take it up with the cops then.

And NOone is obligated to `take` a beating.

sutra46-"he lost his LIFE for no reason but Zimmermans `intuition` "

Not supported by the evidence and facts in the case.

You`re really not very good at this, are you?

sutra46-" you are a racist "

Aaaaaaaaaand you forfeit. Race Card Denied.
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Male 2,850
@8jdb28jdb2

"It doesn`t matter what Zimmerman`s intent where inthis situation"

This is an incorrect statement. You can`t convict someone of murder without proving they intended to kill: premeditation.

That you believe that the 911 operator gave Zimmerman orders (she didn`t), and that intent is irrelevant in a murder trial (it isn`t), amongst other things, suggests to me that you need to read up more about this trial, and murder trials in general, before you form an opinion on this subject.
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Male 8,418
8jdb28jdb2-"Those actions resulted in a human beings death."

Sorry, incorrect. Why not blame TM`s parents. After all, their actions of screwing and having a child resulted in a human beings death. (what? you want to be the judge over how far you can go back?)

In order to be held culpable, Zimmerman would have had to commit a crime that resulted in TM`s death. Getting out of the truck or following TM are not crimes.

All the evidence points to the first crime being assault, and it was perpetrated by TM, at which time Zimmerman has the right to defend himself.

YOU might not like it, but the rule of law is not dependant on your opinion.
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Female 2,549
@gerry he should not have follows him, armed man with no `reason` followed a teenager and started a fight that he was loosing. He should taken the beating and then addressed the issue with the police case.

Unarmed teenager was shot to death in the street. he lost his LIFE for no reason but Zimmermans `intuition`
And you are defending him because you are a racist Period
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Male 8,418
8jdb28jdb2-"What if TM was using the same law to defend himself that Zimmerman later used?"

If the roles were reversed, and Zimmerman attacked TM first, and TM`s only hope was to shoot him, and all the evidence supported his narrative....I would feel the same verdict was warrented in TM`s case.

Of course, TM would have to explain why he was illegally carrying a gun, after all a `child` can`t legally carry.

8jdb28jdb2-"who has been told by authorities to not follow you"

You`re a special kind of stupid aren`t you.

Let me make it simple for you. The authorities did not tell him not to follow. The 911 operator, BY LAW, does not have the authority to tell Zimmerman what to do, or not do. And Zimmerman is under no obligation to follow instructions from a person on the phone.

Please get that through your dense head.
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Male 2,850
@8jdb28jdb2

"I mean a unidentified assailant while no authority to stop you"

We have no evidence that Zimmerman stopped Martin.

"who has been told by authorities to not follow you"

The 911 operator did not order Zimmerman to do anything. They do not order anyone to do anything for liability purposes. The operator testified as such in the trial. This has been explained to you on this forum twice already, by my count. This makes a third time.

"accosts you!"

We have no evidence that Zimmerman accosted Martin.

"Then the attacker claims self defence after shooting you while you try to defend yourself!"

We have no evidence that Martin was defending himself (but plenty of evidence that he was attacking: Zimmerman`s wounds, eyewitness statements, the bullet wound and hole in the shirt being consistent with Martin being on top).
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Male 39,543

For those who think GZ is guilty of either the Murder 2 or Manslaughter. What would you do in that situation? What would you have him do? Someone has you pinned to the ground and is banging your head against the concrete. You can`t overpower him, GZ tried. So... what is your solution.

And don`t say "he shouldn`t have followed". The point is You Have Been Attacked. Now what`s your non-violent solution to the problem?
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Female 2,761
CrakrJak: When did you change your profile pic? I`m not good with change.
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Male 67
You can`t flim flam with the Zim Zam!
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Male 17,512
HalfPintRoo: I find the best way to deal with things like that are to ignore them. Please don`t feed into it.
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Male 3,147
cont.

too embarrassing for these agencies to be able to say `yes we do it... because it works.`

of course not every muslim, black, white, christian etc. fits a particular pattern....but enough do for it to be a pattern in the first place, and if a pattern is all you have to go on in the first place then you`d use it as best you can until someone shows themselves to fall outside of it.
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Male 83
@ MeGrendal - You know a big word, Congratz! But it doesn`t mean you can follow logic apparently.

What if TM was using the same law to defend himself that Zimmerman later used? I guess that it would matter who initiated the confrontation. I mean a unidentified assailant while no authority to stop you, who has been told by authorities to not follow you, accosts you!. Then the attacker claims self defence after shooting you while you try to defend yourself! That is insanity.

It doesn`t matter what Zimmerman`s intent where inthis situation, only his actions matter. Those actions resulted in a human beings death.
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Male 3,147
"Profiling Works."

Yes it does and it`s used all the time in the security industry. When I came out of the military I looked at going either PMC or Air Marshal (the UK still doesn`t have those but was planning to when I was looking) and the prospective job description the government had come up with included the prior profiling of all passengers to determine which seat to best book for yourself for each flight. Now you really wouldn`t be doing your job right in that situation if you didn`t pay close attention to people whose profile was arabic for example.

Why should it be any different for the police? If you have an area where most of the crime is being done by youths, then you`d focus on youths to stop and search, not little old ladies walking the dog.

If you were looking at white collar crime then you`d probably focus more on the white middle-aged guys in suits.

stands to reason...it`s logical...and yet profiling seems to be too em
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Male 39,543

[quote]"He profiled TM"[/quote]
So what. It`s only illegal for guv`ment to profile.
But the fact is TM matched the profile of the people committing the crimes in the area, the breakins and home invasions. A young black male. He was seen circling cars and had burglary tools on him and history with the police.

Profiling Works.
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Male 3,631
Wow - put a spacesuit and an astronaut`s helmet on Zimmerman, and I guarantee you he`d be toted as the first Hispanic-American into space (given the appropriate timeline). But lay a slain black child at his feet and all of the sudden he becomes white overnight. Magic
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Female 73
STOP BLAMING IT ON RACE! it gets you nowhere!

He followed Martin because he was lurking suspiciously somewhere he shouldn`t have been, and he just happened to be black. If you took that defence in everything, there would be guilty men walking free, because they are black, no matter how much evidence is pointing to the contrary. When I was in school (in South Africa) the girls and boys in my class would play the `race card` when the teacher would tell them off for obviously being disruptive. Although, there was a case where a teacher said `the editor must have been black` when a student showed her an article in a magazine on how to pick a lock. Now THAT is racism.
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Male 144
I am disappointed that people think Zimmerman is the bad guy. He just wants you to look good in a suit. He will guarantee it.
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Male 153
*they presented*

They didn`t prove anything and just offered guesses. . . therefore he is innocent in the sight of the law.
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Male 153
Mob justice = double jeopardy apparently

The fact of the matter is the prosecution failed to PROVE that Zimmerman was guilty. They multiple "hypotheses", including 3 presented during closing arguments. Whether you think Zimmerman deserves some sort of punishment, I personally think he dodged a bullet, he was acquitted. Period. Allowing demonstrators and riots dictate how justice is served is no different than allowing lynchings to happen.
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Male 39,543

[quote]"You can`t provoke a situation and then claim self-defence."[/quote]
Yes you can.
If I get up in your face and yell at you at the top of my voice {provoking} you still cannot pound my head against the concrete. If you do I am lawfully allowed to defend myself. If I can`t fight you off then I am entitled to use whatever is at my disposal; knife, rock, gun
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Male 8,418
8jdb28jdb2-"You can`t provoke a situation and then claim self-defence."

Following =/= provoke.

Evil_Eye-"He didn`t do as he was told."

Clue: 911 can not tell you what to do. Legally that are unable to do so. An individual is under no obligation to follow suggestions from 911.

Please stop using that asanine argument.
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Male 2,357
@Evil_Eye

Actually, he did exactly as he was asked (not told). You need to listen to the tapes from the dispatcher before commenting.

The tapes clearly show this:

2:09 - Zimmerman gets out of his trick;
2:13 - Zimmerman leaves his truck;
2:22 - Breathing heavily (obviously running), Zimmerman is asked if he is following; he says "Yeah";

2:26 - Zimmerman told that "we don`t need you to do that"; he replies "OK";

2:39 - Heavy breathing stops; Zimmerman says "He ran" clearly indicating that he is no longer following; conversation with dispatcher is now regular.

Listen To The Tape

Zimmerman complied within, at most, 13 seconds of being asked not to follow.
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Male 379
zimmerman should have went to jail. for manslaughter, not murder. this was the correct verdict. for all you vocal jackasses shouting "justice for trayvon" are literally the reason this man is free. if you let the justice system play out, he goes to jail. you think you got sh*t figured out? this is what happens. leave the law to those who don`t make knee jerk reactions based on emotion. idiots.
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Female 2,761
oh man, crakr, Gerry gave you a new name.

Don`t worry though- it`s just a term for men of any race- even Chinese!
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Male 39,543

Creepy Ass CrakrJak - [quote]"Yet the liberal media is still pandering to the race baiters and fringe elements."[/quote]
Of course. This trial is gold for them. They`ve sold a ton of advertisement. Their ratings are up as long as they keep this pot stirred up.

Oh, were you under the impression they report accurate, truthful news? No, they are entertainment companies.
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Male 39,543

Evil Eye, [quote]"Everything else was Zimmerman`s testimony"[/quote] No, there also witnesses that showed TM on top pounding on GZ.
[quote]"he approached a person with a gun "[/quote] No, he went to a walkway corner to see which way TM went. TM hid in the bushes and ambushed him. Not speculation, fact based on TM cell phone conversation and marks in the bushes.

[quote]"He is guilty of initiating the event that lead to a teenagers death"[/quote] Looking at someone, even following at a distance is not a crime. PUNCHING someone and bashing their head into the concrete is.

I hope you are never in the position of being attacked. Based on your comments you can`t defend yourself. You have to just put up with it.
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Male 3,745
am i seriously the only person who knew that he would get off scott free?
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Male 3,147
Madduck, apparently Wintersweet smell devine, but they`re only a winter flowering shrub.

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Male 39,543

@ whodat6484 - Does New York have stand-your-ground laws? Did Christopher have a history to show he likely attacked the gentleman? The two cases might not be similar at all. It`s all in the details.
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Male 1,586
@whodat Thanks for sharing. I`ve asked myself that question a few times. There was also that case last year (I think). Where the two black kids beat and set fire to the white kid while yelling white boy to him. I think that one was in NY too.

I have to wonder what would happen if white people took to the streets in this kind of situation. Would we be racists?
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Male 1,442
@HumanAction: He didn`t do as he was told. He was told to stay inside and wait for police. He went outside and armed to follow Trayvon. Everything else till the death is only testimony from the accused.

I am going by a statement made by an American lawyer on BBC that I found was the only non-extremist view I have heard on this.

And no, fine Zimmerman to give money to the parents of Trayvon.
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Female 7,994
Listypoos- Big garden facing south-east, full sun all day. I need structure, and hate municipal shrubs- I like things to smell good.
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Male 3,477
I thought that you could only be tried once. This is BS!
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Male 3,908
The only way federal charges could be brought up is if he`s charged with a hate crime. Chances are that`s not happening.

I`m willing to bet none of you have heard this story from 2009, I first heard about it yesterday. The details are pretty much the same but in this case a 42 yr old black man confronted, shot & killed an unarmed, innocent 17 yr old white kid who looked "suspicious" in an area of town that had a recent increase in crime.

The incident didn`t make national news, I never heard it before and I f*cking live in NY State! Racism was never brought up, there were no protests, no "I am Christopher" or "Justice for Christopher" campaigns... nothing.

Just FYI, ya know, thought some of you may be interested in that story.
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Male 14,331
Notice the media that instigated this isn`t showing these things though now. Why would that be...
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Male 17,512
I`ve seen credible polls ranging from

62% to 79% saying the GZ verdict was correct,
16% to 32% saying it was wrong,
less than 6% unsure.

Yet the liberal media is still pandering to the race baiters and fringe elements.

TM was NOT a "young child", was NOT an "innocent teen", was NOT "minding his own business". He was a racist violent drug abusing thief, mimicking the thug life that`s promoted in rap music and movies today.

Liberal media take some DAMN RESPONSIBILITY here and quit fostering violence and lawlessness, quit being the mouthpieces of racial divisiveness and social discord.
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Male 3,147
Madduck, for a flat garden or a rockery?
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Male 3,147
God help us here in England now that Murdoch`s Sky News has successfully lobbied for trials here to be televised. The media have everyone painted as guilty as their starting point...it generally makes for a more exciting news article, and therefore sells more advertising space between shots of grieving mothers and grandstanding lawyers.
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Male 2,357
@Evil_Eye

[quote]With that aside and the stuff that is known for sure, that he approached a person with a gun after 911 told him not to and the man ended up dead... he should not of gotten away scot free. He is guilty of initiating the event that lead to a teenagers death when it could of been avoided by obeying the emergency response person. A fine to the parents or banned from owning a gun or something along those lines.[/quote]
There is no evidence supporting anything you`ve said here. The evidence suggests that Martin confronted Zimmerman - who was cooperating with the dispatcher, even though he had no legal requirement to do so - and initiated the attack. Additionally, you want to fine the parents of Zimmerman - a fully grown, adult man? That is absurd.
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Male 2,440
Meanwhile in Chicago...
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Male 14,331
[quote]if you really want to be outraged, be outraged by ALL the everyday crap that happens, not just this. [/quote]

BU BUT BUT WAIT HE`S WHITE DAMN IT!!! Oh you mean he`s hispanic... but but but he`s like white hispanic!! SO KILL WHITEY!!
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Male 14,331
Oh look some small riots.... remember when OJ got found not guilty and all those white people rioted and attack innocent bystanders screamed no justice no peace... oh ya...

Or how we all cheered and danced in the street when zimmerman was found innocent like they did with OJ... hmmmmm wait nope.
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Female 7,994
SO.... I was thinking about putting in some shrubs- any suggestions? Choisya might be good- but will the scent clash with Philadelphus..
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Male 1,442
I don`t think he should of been charged with murder, with so much doubt over what happened.

The only undeniable evidence of what happened is that Zimmerman followed Trayvon while armed, there was a stuggle and Trayvon ended up dead. Everything else was Zimmerman`s testimony and a wound (that courts agree) shows Trayvon on top.

Because of the lack of solid evidence that he may or may not have really been in a situation that meant shoot or be killed, nobody should be sure if it was plain murder or self defense if even the police aren`t.

With that aside and the stuff that is known for sure, that he approached a person with a gun after 911 told him not to and the man ended up dead... he should not of gotten away scot free. He is guilty of initiating the event that lead to a teenagers death when it could of been avoided by obeying the emergency response person. A fine to the parents or banned from owning a gun or something along those lines.
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Male 39,543

Listypoos, many people know more than the jury. Things the jury were not shown were televized to the rest of us during the trial. The jury doesn`t know about TM shady past. "The Victim is Not On Trial" mentality. But TMs past behavior does indicate if he`s likely to sucker punch someone or not, so I believe the victim is on trial. George Zimmerman being the victim, not Martin.
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Male 6,227
@ Gerry: Thanks. I`d heard about the woman`s jewelry, but the other details are new to me. Unfortunately, it`s pretty clear that Martin was a thug-in-training--maybe even more than halfway there.

You know me: As liberal as they come. But I really wish this case wasn`t being seen as some kind of grand litmus test for race relations in America. Looking at this with as little bias as possible, it seems to be that a thuggish teen was shot dead while beating on an overzealous citizen who was armed.
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Female 4,086
agree w/ gerry. this kid was a thug and thugs often die. there`s a video showing GZ being escorted into a police station, i think, which clearly shows a a gash across the back of GZ`s head, in a place where one cannot injure one`s self.

i do find it interesting that there is such outrage over this, however the hundreds of kids that are killed every year in every major US city don`t get this kind of attention.

what about the innocents that get killed in drive-by`s?

what about the baby boy in georgia who was shot in the face and killed by two thugs?

if you really want to be outraged, be outraged by ALL the everyday crap that happens, not just this.
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Male 39,543

Try to seperate right from wrong. A trial is about "was a law broken" not right and wrong. So if you think GZ was wrong to shoot TM, you may be right, but he did not break any laws doing so.

Following, calling 911, not obeying 911, none of these things are crimes. Punching someone and pounding their head into the concrete IS a crime.
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Male 3,147
I do wonder how many of those people screaming they know more about this than the jury did and that they got it wrong are the same people that a couple of months ago were using paintshop pro to circle around people in Boston in the certain knowledge they`d identified the terrorist for sure....because they always know best.
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Male 3,147
That lady`s first words were `I really felt that those 6 women were going to do what was necessary."


Necessary.


That`s not what the jury is there for, it`s to do what they feel is right.... not necessary.

I don`t know an awful lot about the case, only what I`ve picked up off here as the trial went on. I trust that those on the jury heard every bit of evidence and did what they thought was right.
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Male 39,543

@ Squrlz4Sale - TM was in a street fight club. Those were some of his phone text messages the judge wouldn`t allow in court. He was also attempting to buy an illegal gun. He had been suspended from school before for fighting and at the time he encountered Zimmerman he was on suspension from school for attacking the bus driver. Not just 2 students fighting taking a swing at the bus driver.

Then there is his record, he`d been caught before by the police with burglary tools and women`s jewelry he couldn`t explain. This also backs up GZs account that he was circling cars that night.
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Male 3,285
One thing i laughed at. ALl these vigilante morons are blaming whites for what happened.

Umm.. hello.. GZ wasnt white.
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Male 2,850
@DuckBoy87

"ignore orders from the 911 operator (mind you, he did obey),"

A clarification that strengthens your point: the 911 operator testified that it (saying "we don`t need you to do that", regarding following Martin) was NOT an order: she stated that 911 operators do not ever give orders, due to liability issues.
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Female 2,761
@8jdb28jdb2- Man, what`s your problem? We will let you out of this one easy if you just back away from the computer and stop spreading your stupid.

Your call.
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Male 2,850
@8jdb28jdb2

PS:

"If you stand behind the verdict then I hope you meet the same fate this kid did."

Wow. Just wow. You`re a first rate c*nt.
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Male 3,619
@8jdb28jdb2 "That kid wouldn`t have died if wasn`t for Zimmerman."

Here, let me fix that for you: "That kid wouldn`t have died if wasn`t for Martin."

Z had lost sight of M.
M hid in a bush.
M came out of the bush an ambushed Z.

Who`s the instigator again? Keep in mind, it`s not illegal to:
follow someone,
ignore orders from the 911 operator (mind you, he did obey),
report suspicious activity
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Male 2,850
@8jdb28jdb2

"How woukd you like to get shot because you were defending yourself after a lunatic attacks you?"

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman attacked Martin?

If so, why didn`t you contact the police and inform them of the evidence you have?
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Female 2,761
Boy, I remember being outraged by the Casey Anthony verdict but I didn`t go and riot and cause trouble. Gesh.
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Male 231
Where was the same outrage when Nicole Brown Simpson was viciously murdered and the obvious culprit set free? Oh wait, that was black on white which is apparently perfectly acceptable.
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Male 6,227
@ Nickel2: Well-said; I concur.

@ Gerry: What violent record is there in Martin`s past? (Not a sarcastic question; I haven`t followed this case closely so I don`t know much about it--unlike the Jodi Arias trial, which I obsessed over.)
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Male 47
Just an excuse to riot. It`s sad to say that this isn`t unexpected. There was no need for a trial in the first place. They got one and he won because the evidence said he was not guilty. Still not enough. Keep living up to the uneducated barbarian stereotype. Actions speak louder than words.
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Male 83
You can`t provoke a situation and then claim self-defence. That kid wouldn`t have died if wasn`t for Zimmerman. How woukd you like to get shot because you were defending yourself after a lunatic attacks you? Cause thats what happened to Martin.

The law is unjust because it doesn`t protect against abuse of it. People should be completely outraged as this isnt just a race issue but a humab rights issue. If you stand behind the verdict then I hope you meet the same fate this kid did.
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Male 5,872
This is the judgement of a court of law.
If the law has been carried out, then all of America should abide by that judgement.
If America`s legal system is broken, then maybe it is time it was repaired.
If it is not broken, accept the outcome of the trial and shut up.
Don`t run around the street like a bunch of stone-age hoodlums creating more trouble; get a legal team together, analyse what went wrong and try to fix it. Like they do in a democracy, not a third-world warlord-run state.
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Male 39,543

The people who are "outraged" don`t want to admit the truth. Trayvon was responsible for his own death because the little thug attacked someone. It`s a tragedy for his family he died, but it was his fault, His aggressive action lead to his death. The soft headed {& the ones who are just looking to stir up trouble} don`t want to face that reality. Much easier to blame someone else.

We have this strange habit that once someone dies no one is allowed to say anything negative about them. Trayvons violent record supports GZs story.
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Male 77
The Floridian justice system ran its course. Get over it.
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Male 2,099
Let`s go ahead and discuss it. What could go wrong?
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Male 15,180
No biggie either way
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Male 938
Link: People Are Outraged at Zimmerman`s Verdict [Rate Link] - Should they be? Should he be charged federally?
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