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42 Responses to Korean War Vet Arrested for Peacefully Protesting

  1. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 8:56 am
    Link: Korean War Vet Arrested for Peacefully Protesting - What was he protesting for? Ironically, voter`s rights. Yay, Amurikah!
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    BritInvasion Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:08 am
    Is there a vid of his protesting? Would like to see the actual video of him being arrested instead of just them talking about it. Vid or it didn`t happen! :-P
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:11 am
    Countries that you need ID`s to vote: The Netherlands, Canada, and a frackton more.

    One thing I`ve never understood, I`ve had to show an ID every time I voted. But some people don`t? Listen, if you`re so incapable that you can`t procure an ID for yourself that will be given away for free, then you live in a cesspool of victimhood. Be capable, people. It`s not that hard, if you are so incapable that you can`t get a piece of free plastic with your name on it, there is no way you will be a productive member of society. It`s called fake outrage.


    Besides, I`ve lived in Harlem, actually. And guess what, the black people who live there drive. They buy alcohol (and a lot of it). The youngins go to bars and show their ID`s, and the people still can afford way overpriced rent.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Requiring identification to avoid voter fraud is NOT attacking voter rights. This is what opposition does, they can`t make a logical argument so they make up some emotional spin.

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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:21 am
    Look, you can justify changing the rules, making them more stringent all you want. And I`m even for uniform rules. However, if you`re going to do that, you can`t make the financial burden be on the voter. That amounts to a voter tax, and that`s illegal. For many of these people, getting ID would require a copy of their birth certificate, which they don`t have. How do they get it? They have to pay for it, assuming their county of birth even has it. It`s a huge mess and it`s being done for one reason and one reason only.

    Now, if you also write into these laws that the required ID will be state-funded, and that the requirements to obtain it will be footed by the state, then, no problem. I`ll not say a single word.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:22 am
    As for "voter fraud"? Don`t make me laugh. That`s a statistically non-existent boogie man brought up by the right to justify voter disenfranchisement. If you want to talk about people making stuff up, that`s where you need to look.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:35 am
    @Smegmaboy As for "voter fraud"? Don`t make me laugh. That`s a statistically non-existent boogie man brought up by the right to justify voter disenfranchisement.
    You are an unscrupulous liar. Al Franken`s margin of victory in his first Senate race was less than the number of felons who are known to have voted illegally in that election, and a poll showed that 90% of them voted Democrat -- more than enough to change the results of the election. Were it not for that, we would not have Obamacare today.

    That`s only one case. Election fraud is real, it changes the results of elections, and it`s done almost entirely by Democrats
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:38 am
    So lets not talk about the issue, how many other protesters were arrested, lets focus on the fact that there was a 90 year old Korean war vet participating...

    Maybe because this week was the anniversary of the signing of the armistice that put the Korean war to an unofficial end... to use emotions to tug at heart strings to rally a cause instead of facts & reality?

    Obvious propaganda is obvious.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:49 am

    "voter fraud"? Don`t make me laugh. That`s a statistically non-existent boogie man "
    You don`t live in California where all the illegals vote. Denying this reality & calling it a "racist" thing to require ID is a soft-headed left wing diversionary tactic.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:53 am
    I posted about a veteran being arrested protesting voter suppression specifically because he`s a veteran. Not as propaganda, because I figure his protest should mean something. His being a veteran, to me, means more than the average Joe on the street. As a veteran myself, I respect his sacrifice more, personally. So, call it what you will.

    Ollie, I won`t deny that the results of the Franken race were contested. Hell, a 300 vote margin in a state election will *always* be contested. And, if people voted who were not allowed, that`s not right. But let`s not pretend it was voter fraud (e.g. people voting twice, people voting under assumed names or identities, etc.). If it happened, and I don`t know if it did, people who weren`t supposed to be allowed to vote were allowed to vote. That`s not fraud, that`s not enforcing rules that are already currently on the books. Talk about intellectual dishonesty.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:55 am
    Gerry, all anyone is asking for is proof that actual voter fraud is occurring. Not anecdotes. Not failure to enforce current laws. Actual voter fraud. When someone asks for actual proof prior to changing laws that extremely unevenly affect the electorate, that`s not being soft headed, that`s simply asking for proof. It ought to be easy enough to provide.
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:02 am
    I never show ID. In Washington state, your integrity and signature is all you need to vote. Our ballots are sent to us in the mail and we have lots of time to read the voter pamphlets and research online. I have a ballot here now that I have to send back by August 6th. All it takes is a 1st class stamp and the US Post Office will make sure it gets to where it needs to go.

    Our voter fraud is zero or virtually zero just like everywhere else. Just like SmaqBoy1 said, we all know voter ID laws aren`t about voter fraud - they are about making sure the "right" people vote and the "wrong" people don`t.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Smagboy, how do you count that? Unless you verify their identity ie right to vote as a citizen , then how do you count fraud? It`s like asking how many speeders are there if you don`t ever check drivers speed.

    What is wrong with a person showing their ID? Liberals claim poor and elderly will be disenfranchised. They have to have an ID to cash their guv`ment checks. They have to have ID to sign up for services. To get a job, to drive a car. Visit the library. IDs are necessary to so much in life, perhaps the soft-hearted liberals would find it a better use of their time to assist the "poor disenfranchised" in getting VALID id`s instead of protesting commons sense measures.
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Voter fraud is statistically so low it`s almost a myth.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:40 am
    In Canada, I get a voter`s card in the mail advising me of who I am and when and where I can vote. When I go there, the card isn`t required, but one piece of ID is. Then I`m crossed off the list so I can`t vote again. They`ll even take utility bills if you don`t have a driver`s license. The voters` reaction to this is absolutely nothing.
    So is it way different in the States?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:41 am

    furryblob, "voter fraud is statistically so low it`s almost a myth"
    Tell that to Mexico. Their voter fraud problem is so bad the guv`ment runs commercials trying to convince people that the vote isn`t stolen and to stop selling their votes when they go to the polls.

    As for southern California where I live, it`s North Mexico now {Alto Mejico}. I really don`t have a problem with them wanting to come here for a better life, that kind of immigrant build the US. My problem is that they are doing their damnedest to turn us into the ghetto they left. Low wages, dirty housing & food, voter fraud, violence, not educating their children, etc.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:43 am
    i think voter fraud would be more important if we weren`t getting screwed by both parties in different ways. And let be honest for a moment, no matter who we elect, someone paid for them to be there, and they will expect a return on their investment. Since we have decided that corporations are people, they seem to be the only people that really get represented in our government. So arguing about voter fraud is complaining that you didn`t get the proper change at the store before you got robbed...
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:48 am
    The only people whose votes are at risk, are the millions of criminals who illegally crossed our borders, bought fake and stolen identities and social security numbers, then b*tch about what a raw deal they`re getting.
    We should potshot their hind ends with rock salt as we herd them on their way out- and air drop `em in China if they come back.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 11:06 am

    @ chimmeychang - you win one internet for making the most valid/important post in this entire thread. Whoever wins will be a thieve and bend you over so why get upset about it?

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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 11:07 am
    Gerry, you say that "They have to have an ID to cash their guv`ment checks. They have to have ID to sign up for services. To get a job, to drive a car. Visit the library." Okay, I agree. Now, you tell me, why, all of a sudden, aren`t the IDs they use to do those things not good enough for the Republican-run states who are changing the laws? If a library card was enough, this wouldn`t be an issue. If several forms of ID weren`t a problem, this wouldn`t be an issue. The problem is that these states are significantly limiting the types of IDs that are acceptable to vote. Not to do those other things. You`ve demonstrated the problem in a nut shell, Good Sir! It`s not that these people don`t have *any* IDs, it`s that they don`t have the "right" IDs.

    As for counting voter fraud, Gerry, you study it after the fact, running down all reported voters in random samples and determine if it`s occurring. This has been done over and over and over.
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    Shelworth Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 11:10 am
    "Voter fraud is statistically so low it`s almost a myth" yep, keep telling yourself that.
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
    340 posts
    July 28, 2013 at 11:28 am
    Here in Louisiana you have to show an ID to vote.

    Racial makeup of Louisiana (according to US census) is 59.9% white non-hispanic, and 40.1% "minority"

    So 4/10ths of the population here is some form of minority, and I have never heard of a person locally that has had an issue voting because of identification.

    As a matter of fact, every time I remember ever voting I was showing my identification to someone my family knew growing up who IS a minority.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 11:33 am

    "tell me, why, all of a sudden, aren`t the IDs they use to do those things not good enough for the Republican-run states who are changing the laws?"
    Answer: It is. In most states {I haven`t memorized all of them} a state issued ID or Drivers License is valid proof of identity for voting. Don`t believe the propaganda the LiberalMachine spews out about how difficult it is to get a "special id card". MSNBC is about as accurate as FOX.... lies, all lies.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 11:58 am
    @Gerry Don`t believe the propaganda the LiberalMachine spews out about how difficult it is to get a "special id card".
    Couldn`t agree more. Besides, if you can`t get your $#!+ together enough to get an ID for yourself, I don`t give a loose dry f*** who you think ought to win the election. Some of these stupid lazy parasites NEED to be disenfranchised.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    And, if people voted who were not allowed, that`s not right. But let`s not pretend it was voter fraud
    So when felons, who are not legally allowed to vote, fraudulently claim that they ARE legally allowed to vote and vote fraudulently, that`s not voter fraud? What color is the sky in your world?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    Well, if we want to talk actual evidence versus anecdotes, let`s have a look:

    Here.

    Or, here.

    Or, here.

    Or, if you have some time and really want to understand what`s at work behind this movement, go here.

    But to pretend that there *is* fraud, that it`s rampant and provable? That *is* just myth. And it`s been proven. Agai
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    @SmegmaBoy, all your links say is that in Democrat-controlled jurisdictions (where nearly ALL voter fraud occurs), the Democrats in charge of election integrity don`t find evidence of Democrat voter fraud. Wow! Hooda thunkit?

    Basically, the same people who are benefiting from voter fraud (Democrats) are the ones charged with preventing it. It`s call letting the fox guard the hen house.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 6:09 pm
    @MoldieMollie
    You are one warped and twisted idiot man-child, aren`t you? "I deny your FACTS and SCIENCE `cuz it makes my brain hurt!"

    You dismiss EVERYTHING with "Democrats blah blah libtard yada yada!" and make outrageous claims that only Glenn Beck would believe! You never cite a source or prove a point or even contribute anything thoughtful, you`re just a grumpy old fart yelling incoherently at the kids on his lawn. In short, you`re boring and predictable.

    As for your last post, you obviously didn`t read Smag`s links before your tirade. Or did you just somehow miss the bit about "sent thousands of requests to elections officers in ALL 50 STATES" (when did all 50 become "Democrat-controlled jurisdictions" huh?) Or that the researchers were from such Democrat bastions as Florida and Texas and Oklahoma? How can you let your partisanship blind you so thoroughly? You are very sad indeed.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Why NOT ask for an ID to show you are allowed to vote?
    Why all this fuss against the idea?
    What does it hurt to prove you are a legal voter?
    It`s not hard, it`s not racial biased, just show an ID.

    Wanting honest elections does not make me a racist.
    But why are people so opposed to legislature that would ensure HONEST ELECTIONS ? Seems like you guys are fighting for the wrong team.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 8:23 pm
    when did all 50 become "Democrat-controlled jurisdictions" huh?
    Chicklet, are you just trolling, or are you really that f***ing stupid that I have to explain this to you? You don`t have significant levels of fraud in Republican precincts because 1) Republicans are far less likely to commit fraud, and 2) Republic election officials are far less likely to look the other way while it occurs.

    Democrats, on the other hand, routinely commit, permit, and encourage fraud. In several precincts in northern Philly Romney received exactly 0 votes, which is for all intents and purposes a statistical impossibility. In other places, the total number of votes cast exceeded the number of registered voters in the precinct. However, in neither case did the local Democrat election officials find any evidence of fraud. "Nothing to see here. Move along...move along."

    And if you want references, Google it yourself, ya lazy lout.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    But why are people so opposed to legislature that would ensure HONEST ELECTIONS?
    Gerry, I know that was rhetorical, but you have to realize, many of the libtards around here are too stupid to get it. Therefore, I will answer it.

    The reason why some people, i.e., Democrats, are so opposed to legislation that would ensure honest elections is that they don`t WANT honest elections; they want to be able to cheat and get away with it the way they`ve been doing for years.

    Al Gore tried and failed to steal the 2000 election in Florida by "vote-mining" in Democrat-controlled counties and by disenfranchising overseas military personnel. When the Supreme Court shut him down, the libs squealed like scalded pigs.

    It`s also a proven fact that All Franken won his senate seat by fraud, and he was the deciding vote for ObamaCare. If it weren`t for voter fraud, there would be no ObamaCare today. Fraud is real, and it`s not inconsequential.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:12 pm
    Yeah why indeed would we be up in arms over *never before needed* documentation they want you to show to be able to vote?

    Why would we be the least bit concerned that steps are being taken to remedy a problem that all that facts say doesn`t exist? We should just trust our R handlers, after all they do know best.

    Let me put it in words you can understand Gee Oh Pee, The country`s just not that into you. And it isn`t going to get any better from here on out, my generation, Millennials, are 80,000,000 strong and getting stronger every day that passes. In `16 you folks need *at the very least* 6,000,000 more angry old white men to be able to perform at *`12 levels*.

    It`s over, change yourself or face extinction.

    To my age group, right now Rs are running scared over people exercising their right to participate in the Democ
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 9:15 pm
    Cont- Democratic process, keep giving them good reason to be, VOTE.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm
    He didn`t look arrested to me. I kept looking for the cops to come take him away, but it never happened.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:25 pm
    About voter ID laws.

    Everywhere asks for ID anyway. Why not require it?

    A voter ID card is free. It can be brought to your home for free. It is no trouble or inconvenience to get one, and it makes voting 100% fair. Why don`t you guys want voting to be fair?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 28, 2013 at 10:29 pm
    "Now, you tell me, why, all of a sudden, aren`t the IDs they use to do those things not good enough for the Republican-run states who are changing the laws?"

    They are good enough. As a matter of fact, they are the same.
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    ghoulie11 Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2013 at 11:35 pm
    I don`t see why anybody gives a crap, for the presidential election. As long as we still use the electoral college, your vote is worthless.

    As for state, county, and city elections a valid state ID should be perfectly fine, as long as you`re a registered voter.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 29, 2013 at 8:39 am
    I can understand checking photo ID to ensure that the voter registration card is being presented by the person listed on the card. If it`s going to become required, and I see no issue with such a requirement, then those without other acceptable photo ID should have access to free, officially acceptable, ID. Why? Because some voters really don`t have the money to buy it, and that shouldn`t stop them from voting and, yes, it could certainly be construed as a "voter tax".
    Gerry,
    Some people don`t drive cars, use a library, cash government checks. Some ID`s are acceptable for some applications but not for others. I`m pretty liberal myself. I try not to be an idiot about it. People can also be conservative and not be idiots about it. Some of the elderly and the poor might actually be disenfranchised from their right to vote if the ID issue is handled poorly. Why is it SUCH a problem for conservatives to recognise that and ensure that those rights are protected for everyone
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    July 29, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Ollie,
    I don`t think us Libtards are actually against legislation to keep elections honest. You Conservatards keep making that stupid claim. It`s as dumb as saying God exists because the Bible says so. I think what they want (at least I do but maybe I`m just a moderate Libtard) is to make sure it`s done in a way that lets people keep their voting rights intact in a proper fashion. Make those IDs easily obtainable, in a timely fashion, at no cost to the voter. Not doing so *may* interfere with those rights for some people. Supposedly (I haven`t looked into this at all) those would mostly be people likely to vote Democratic. If that is actually correct, it would seem to be a very good reason for the Conservatard population to fight the Libtards and make up dumbsh*t excuses for it.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    No voter fraud? tell that to the vans and buses of people being dragged in by the lefties in the Wisconsin recall elections a few years back. Thank God there were enough smart people to counter that epic attempt at fraud. Want more? Two sons of Democrat candidates puncturing tires of Republican vehicles in Wisconsin. 20 people charged with voter fraud in 2008 in Madison Wi (jsonline.com) two men abusing same-day voter registration in WI (mediatrackers.org), in 2004 a report showed 1305 same-day voter registrations were invalid(online.wjs.com), WI Sen. Alberta Darling recall - 37% of the signatures were invalid (redstate.com). I could go on, but I will soon run out of space. Oh, and this is just Wisconsin, by the way. Can you imagine down in Chicago? But hey, there`s no problem here... just look the other way!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 30, 2013 at 11:01 pm
    I don`t think us Libtards are actually against legislation to keep elections honest.
    Then why are Democrats ALWAYS opposing laws to keep elections honest everywhere and every time they`re proposed? Why have they never -- and I mean NEVER -- put forth a proposal of their own that would reduce or eliminate voter fraud?

    Cheating is an integral part of Democrat electoral strategy and has been for decades.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    August 2, 2013 at 9:23 pm
    As someone stated, the electoral college determines who is president. Popular vote is a mere conversation piece. Fix the archaic electoral college, then the PEOPLE will actually have a voice. The electoral college doesn`t even have to vote along party lines. Terrible system.

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