If You Can`t Afford To Tip [Pic]

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 3 years ago

Advice for non-tippers from the people who get tips. The website is linked in the credits below.
There are 92 comments:
Male 47
I`m confused, I looked up the definition of `tip` and it is indeed a gratuity, but that definition says that it`s how you show gratitude, how can you know how grateful you`re going to be before you`ve even been served?
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Male 675
I disagree with the message. A tip is based on service and is not necessarily something that should be given automatically. However, there are very few instances where tipping is not appropriate, but one would not know this prior to receiving service.

My rule of thumb is 15% for barely passable service, 205 for average service, and 25% or (far) greater for good or exceptional service.

I have tipped more than 100% of the bill more often than I have chosen not to leave a tip. And regardless of the service, I always treat the waitstaff as human beings.
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Male 254
I`m glad I live in country where tipping is not a custom. If restaurants want to have good waiters they pay them accordingly. If waiters want to earn better money, then they work accordingly, just like every industry.
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Male 44
ohhh and one last thing.. if your friend isn`t declaring his tips, I would refrain from announcing it to the world because that is tax evasion my friend :)
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Male 44
... Forgot to mention that your tips are calculated by the government based on your sales.. sell for 1k and it is assumed you received 150$ in tips and will be taxed accordingly..
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Male 44
pumba62, I`m not sure where you`re located in Canada and or where you friend works, but that is absolute horse crap... You pay taxes on your tips no matter what, even if you don`t get tips. When you work that sort of job, it is automatically assumed that you received gratuity and therefor are taxed on it. So if you don`t tip, essentially the waitress / bartender partially paid for your drink. I speak from 1st hand experience, and not to mention 3 friends of mine are either bartenders or waiters and my gf`s brother is a bartender as well. While yes I do believe that gratuity should be based on performance the 15% is a minimum here in Quebec, otherwise you don`t get served, especially in Montreal bars. They aren`t here to pay for you food and booze buddy, so if you can`t tip stay home and pore your own drink and cook your own food.
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Male 1,832
This again? Why is it so hard to understand that a tip should be given based on the service received? And if you have a problem with that, get another job you cheap piece of sh*t.
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Male 14,330
[quote]Why not just increase the min wage and do away with tipping??[/quote]

Go to a fast food place where they pay employees min wage and look at how much they give a f**k about you and their job.

I used to clean up waiting tables to demanding snobs. The whole wine presentation "is this acceptable" pour ladies first serve from the left blah blah blah. Paid for college!
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Male 1,104
cheap food prices? my ass.

anyway, in my dictionary "tip = reward for good service", hence crap service = no tip.

pay your employees the proper wages. if you don`t want to do that, emigrate to china.

a mandatory tip is not a tip but a tax. please avoid newspeak.
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Male 1,016
I had a friend making about $700-800 a week in tips (tax free by the way) only working four days a week at LUNCH TIME!!!! So please do me a favor and cry on someone else`s shoulder I work twice as long as you and take home about that amount after taxes in two weeks !!!
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Male 322
Remember to tip the bartender! It`s how we keep a roof over our heads.
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Male 7,353
gymcoach29-"Why does the food industry get a pass on paying the minimum wage?"

Please repeat after me: `Tips are Wages. Tips are Wages. Tips are Wages.`

Sure, pay everyone minimum wage and eliminate tipping. Couldn`t be easier.

Of course, all the GOOD wait-staff will go find a job making what they were when they relied on tips, as good wait-staff make far above minimum.

Enjoy your mediocre service.
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Male 181
I am not going to tip somebody because I`ll look like an d!ck if I don`t. I don`t care. If you serve me my food with a smile and some common decency you shall be tipped. Easy as that! Again one of those silly American cultural things.
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Male 527
What is this poo about increasing the wage AND ban tipping?!
Increase the wage and ALLOW tipping. It works over here in Europe.
As i said earlier i round up my payment to show my respect to the staff.
This way a waitress gets a decent wage no matter how well she does the job (if the service sucks i only pay what i owe and i do not return to the restaurant) and if she performs well i`ll give her some extra`s.

A low minimum wage will affect (where i live) pension, unemployment benefit and payment when you get sick.
If you have a normal income due to added tips you will have a problem when you get sick. Y will be based on your standard wage.
People with low standard income will be forced to go to work when they are ill because of the setback.
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Male 670
Try eating out in the UK... Really expensive (for decent food), all staff get at least minimum wage, and you still have to leave 10% unless you want to look like an ass.
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Male 13,624
So you are forced to tip because the Government wont allow them to earn more,
so this is a charity case??
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Male 2,850
@obhwfgirl

"Because then waitstaff wouldn`t have an incentive to kiss your ass."

Yes they would. They`d have the exact same incentive that the rest of us have: if you don`t do your job well, you`ll get fired.

It works for every other job. Waiting on tables is not a special case.
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Female 1,478
Duckboy87, my ex-boyfriend used to slap some money on the table and tell the waitperson that the whole thing was theirs unless he found something unsatisfactory with the experience of eating there. Which works... unless the cook did something unsatisfactory; then it wasn`t the waitperson`s fault.
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Male 2,418
I`m a piece of poo? your the pieces of poo that pays them pis poor wages and tell them they need to beg costumers for the rest.

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Male 363
Why does the food industry get a pass on paying the minimum wage? I would rather pay more for a meal and the waitstaff make a living wage than tip. I hate tipping especially when I am obligated to pay 15-20% without looking like an non-nice individual. I would prefer they just add the tip in the price of the meal and that way I never know...
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Male 1,252
point to add to my previous statement... Tipping to show off to your girl/girlfriends family...also acceptable.
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Female 582
"Why not just increase the min wage and do away with tipping??"

Because then waitstaff wouldn`t have an incentive to kiss your ass.
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Male 62
I have a respect for tipping because I got tips at my first job as a delivery guy. I now work as a line cook at a restaurant, and let me tell you, servers have a piss easy job. Servers should be paid as cooks are, and the customer should have the choice of either tipping the server or the cook, or both. If they want to.
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Male 700
Why not just increase the min wage and do away with tipping??
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Male 15,832
I always tip, but that being said, tipping is bull$#!+. Pay the staff a fair wage, price the food accordingly, and have a no-tipping policy.
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Male 1,341
I almost always tip, I tip extremely well for above and beyond service. I say I almost always tip because there have been several occasions where a server will take our order, bring us our drinks, a different employee will bring us our food because our server is too busy, then we won`t see our original server for the rest of the meal until our check is brought to us. Why the f*ck would I tip for that?
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Male 3,894
You know, this argument thread doesn`t look any different than the last five times we trotted it out...it`s almost--no..

...it`s almost as if arguing on the internet doesn`t accomplish anything.
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Male 1,341
I wouldn`t tell them that before the meal, then they wouldn`t even do the basics of their job.
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Female 3,562
I would gladly pay more for food if restaurants included the tip in the food prices so I wouldn`t have to deal with this crap. All this crap does is make their food look cheaper.
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Male 684
@rockboy87, when i was serving I had someone tell me they don`t tip...I replied I don`t work for free. My manager had my back and directed him to the bar where he was served by the manager. Many restaurants choose to think of it like this, you are an employee but you are "renting" the space. The better you are at your job, the more you get paid because in the end, the restaurant isn`t paying, the customers are. Also I would like to point out i have more than a few customers that didn`t tip well, but i enjoyed seeing them every time they came in and gave them great service just because they were awesome people.Chances are if you feel you don`t have to tip, you are the kind of people that really does need to pay people to be nice to you.
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Male 684
The tip for average service is 15% in the U.S. in many places in Europe the tip is mostly included in the bill. Your tip should reflect the service, and I am not talking about your people fulfilling your ridiculous expectations, but the general courtesy and quality of service. The amount of your tip should go up or down according to the service. If you do not like to tip, do not go to full service restaurants, get fast food or cook it yourself. If you frequent a restaurant, you will get much better service if you tip well and are polite, if you are not, well, just remember they have your food before you do and you can`t see them...
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Male 3,430
I want to set up a social experiment.

The control: go to a restaurant, tell them nothing. Watch service.

Experiment 1: ..., tell them the service I get is directly correlated to the tip I give. Start at 10% and increase or decrease based on, albeit subjective, performance.

Experiment 2: ..., tell them they will not receive a tip at all. (For this one, I`d give a really good tip regardless of service, but they would go the entire service thinking they will receive nothing)
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Male 2,096
I routinely tip 10%. If the waitress is really good she gets the whole schlong.
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Male 1,252
So.. if the service sucks am I still required to tip without prior negotiations for adequate service? How about stop blaming the customers that don`t tip for mediocre `everyday/every table` service and actually go up and above to earn that tip as it is, was and always has been. IF I tip it is for the waitress for making me feel warm, welcomed and valued....not for the cooks, nor the management, nor every other waitress to split. If the food is awesome cook gets a tip, service is awesome waitress gets a tip...if I`m just a number well ill leave comparative tip.
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Male 7,353
Atrayu4u-"If restaurants would just work it out to where they pay their employees fairly"

The problem with this is you set a higher price, people will stop tipping. For wait-staff that are good at their job, this will be a cut in pay, as the tips they earn is much more than the owner will pay them.

A good wait-person can make in the hundreds during a shift. Even at $20 an hours, a 4 hour shift will net you $80.

From experience, I`d rather get the tips. I made much more that way. But then, I was a good waiter.

Quite frankley, I`m not worried about the crappy wait-staff.
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Male 2,841
Your pooty paycheck is not my problem and it never will be.
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Female 1,478
I`d rather pay more overall for a meal than have tipping be a freaking obligation. It`s become this snotty thing. "I`ll treat you less well next time you come here because you gave me a crappy tip last time, wah." If restaurants would just work it out to where they pay their employees fairly, and this obligation disappeared, I`d probably still tip, depending on the situation. I just resent, greatly, being actually -frowned upon- and -treated differently- because of how much extra money I have so much of that I decide to or not to throw their way.
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Male 7,353
Johanvb-"restaurant-owners weasel themselves out of a decent pay for their personnel "

Repeat after me: "Tips are Wages...Tips are Wages."

Feel free to require minimum wage, but make sure to PROHIBIT tippings.

That great outcry you will hear will be the wait-staff that got screwed.

A decent wait-staff will make more than minimum.

A GOOD wait-staff will make much better than minimum.

If you`re not making much more than minimum, you suck as a wait-person.

@halfpint:
Worst tip: 2 cents (after I had them remove a crappy dish off the ticket).
Best tip (%): over 100%, when we had a small meal, but the waiter was wonderful. ($20 tip on a $19 ticket)
Best tip ($): $125.00 on a $275.00 ticket. EXCELLENT service.
I am more likely to talk to the manager to compliment a waiter than to complain about one. On the other hand, I have gotten a guy fired from a place I frequent quite often.
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Female 2,764
I`ve tipped a waitress 1 dollar before because she was rude and lazy.

I tipped a waitress (estimating) 30% before because she was fun, hard working and friendly.

I don`t believe in a set % just what they deserve- but I DO believe in tipping.
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Male 37,897

In the `80s I waited tables in Texas. The state assumes servers will get X percentage in tips and taxes them on it, whether they get those tips or not.
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Male 527
As i concluded to say (seems my text was cut off although it was 1000 characters long)

It`s not about the tips, its about the system.
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Male 527
BS! So because restaurant-owners weasel themselves out of a decent pay for their personnel i have to make up for it by asking myself if i paid enough for the service that is provided?
Is 15% enough, should it be 20% because the waitress returned the bottle of wine that was bad or should that be a 25% markup?

In my country I round up the total amount to show my respect for the person who helped me without having to do antropological-algebra hoping that the amount of money i added was the correct peace-offering for this tribe.

I had a dinner to relax and enjoy a meal, not to worry afterwards if my untrained tipping-skills made somebody think foreigners are greedy bastards.

I also hate it when i go to the US that i have to carry around small change to pay the doorman, the guy who carries my suitcase, etc.
When do Americans learn it`s a bloody nuisance for a tourist to manage his change so he can tip all the people he is supposed to tip.

It`s no
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Male 6,227
Don`t be a douchebag like Mr. Pink. Tip your server, dammit!

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Male 2,436
Tipping is a tax shelter for the servers. They are `paid` less than minimum wage. They are `required` to report their tip income for tax purposes. I guarantee 99% of servers report just enough to hit minimum wage. The rest is tax free.

So, banning tipping would mean the employer has to make up the difference, which really means you, the consumer, makes up the difference. PLUS the tax amount on the servers FULL income. You will either pay more (i.e. bill + tip + server`s income tax), or the server makes less. THEN NOBODY WINS!
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Male 7,353
wibble4321-" It is a hidden cost and makes life a pain in the backside."

So you don`t see what tip you just gave?

wibble4321-"That has nothing to do with service"

But you just said better tips got you faster service....make up your mind.

Ilikelogic-"Just give those poor people a decent wage."

The majoirty of wait staff that I know are more than happy with the wage they earn. Of course, they`re GOOD at their jobs.

Seems the only ones that dislike it are the crappy `pay me for showing up` workers.

I wonder why that is?
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Male 292
Damn tippers and their tipping agenda, shoving their tipping ways in everyone else face...tsk tsk
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Male 554
screw that.

if you chose to work at a job that pays less than minimum wage, that`s on you!

what a stupid custom, tipping
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Male 260
America is CRAZAY
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Male 3,894
I have no complaints about tipping, I`ve been on the service side of things (albeit as an untipped bus boy) and I know where my sympathies lie.

I just had to chuckle heartily at the "benefitting from low food prices" bit. Haw.
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Male 155
forgot to add, only a portion of those tips are required as taxable, so most waiters get untaxed income, which is a bigger +.
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Male 550
Stupid system is stupid.
Just give those poor people a decent wage.
And if they gave you a good service, add a small tip.
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Male 155
Servers I know don`t get paid 2-3$/h, but rather minimum wage or close too it. Busy days net around 100$ a day+minimum wage. In the end it`s a lot of money. More then the avg. factory worker.
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Male 431
It is ridiculous. It is a hidden cost and makes life a pain in the backside. I`m a fairly frequent traveller to the US and just the hassle of having to have currency available to tip for every ridiculous service is a pain. Trying to stock a decent stash of $1 and $5 bills for the various tips before you actually get anywhere to spend money is not always easy. That is before you get the variations of how much to tip for what service depending on where you are.

Tipping also becomes an arms race in some circumstances. You certainly get served faster in a busy bar if you tip more generously than the guy next to you. That has nothing to do with service, you are just bribing your way to the front of the queue.
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Male 123
If the servers tips don`t add up to minimum wage, their employer must compensate them.. So it`s always worth it to take the $3 minimum. Either way, you`ll make more than that..
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Male 14,330
@patchouly

Any person that dosen`t tip and keeps going back to the same place is an idiot.
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Male 739
The only problem I have with tipping is that in some establishments, all of everyone`s tips goes into a pot, and all the wait staff gets an equal share. In those places, the person that you saw waiting on the next table, and being a total jerk to the customer, gets the same tip as the person waiting on your table, and doing an above average job of it. This is commonly the case where the wait staff doesn`t bus their own tables. All tips are collected by the bus staff, and later distributed. That`s why I generally try to give my tip directly to whoever waits on me, instead of leaving it on the table.
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Male 7,924
Essersmith

"Really? what about the incentive that, if they dont do their job well, customers wont come back, then the restaurant/whatever would do worse and the server would lose his/her job."

"Exemplary" not good. If a server takes drink orders within 5 minutes, food order within 10 minutes, refills drinks, and checks in periodically that is good service. That is doing their job. That will keep me coming back.

However servers can go above and beyond that. Be super friendly or super helpful. I`ve had servers get down on their knees and talk to my kids about what they were coloring or whatever. S.hit like that is "exemplary" and worth an extra 5%.
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Male 10,339
Then don`t eat out Patch.
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Male 2,357
@Essersmith

[quote]Really? what about the incentive that, if they dont do their job well, customers wont come back, then the restaurant/whatever would do worse and the server would lose his/her job.[/quote]
The key word in HolyGod`s statement was "exemplary".

A correlation exists in which better service generally results in a better tip - not always, but generally. Therefore, there is an incentive (better pay) to give the best possible service.

On the other hand, if we just give a minimum wage without tips, the "better pay" incentive disappears. Instead, the incentive is to perform adequately, as opposed to exemplarily.
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Male 275
"The only thing that changes is that now the server doesn`t have any incentive to give you exemplary service as they will get paid the same no matter what..."

Really? what about the incentive that, if they dont do their job well, customers wont come back, then the restaurant/whatever would do worse and the server would lose his/her job.
If anything Id much rather tip the chef rather than pay someone who needs an extra incentive not to spit in my food.
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Male 4,746
If you tell the server - at the beginning of the meal - that you aren`t planning on tipping, you will get spit in your food. Anyone that that tells a server they aren`t tipping is an idiot, not a person who "does have the balls".
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Male 7,353
How about a website with the tag line "If you can`t afford to live off of tips, better yourself and quityerbitchin." myachingass.com
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Male 1,216
Tip is supposed to come as a reward if the server was good. Tipping all the time renders the practice obsolete. But I guess that in capitalist `Merrica servers get paid jack sh`it.
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Male 99
FYI, with a tipped employee, if he doesn`t make minimum wage with tips, the employer is required to make the difference (federally). They won`t ever make less. Some states including CA, do not have a lower minimum for tipped employees.

I tip somewhere between 10% for poor service to 25% for excellent sushi.

On average, whether the sun is shining makes more of a difference in giving tips than service quality. True story.
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Male 4,893

To hell with that. I don`t care what the server makes. Get a better job, I tip for GOOD service, not to support the servers bad life choices.

A few of my friends used to work at olive garden and red robin when we were younger. They would brag about how much they made including tips.

If a server has 10 tables in his section, and each customer stays for an hour, they could leave 1 dollar each and the server has just added 10$ on top of their hourly wage. Most people leave much more than 1 dollar.
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Male 2,516
Look, all I`m saying is that in every other business, the bill you get is the amount that the business requires for the services/goods they have provided you, it`s a pain in the ass to have to guess at how much you should pay.
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Male 2,031
This tipping poo needs to go. Pay them normally and tips should be smaller and extra.
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Male 7,353
jendrian-"why restaurant owners are so special they don`t have to pay minimum wage like everyone else."

Please repeat 10 times: Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage.

Any wait-staff that is halfway decent at their jobs earn much more than minimum wage.

Try this: Take all wait-staff to minimum wage, and FORBID tips. See how fast the wait-staff cries foul.
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Male 697
"restaurants are permitted to bypass the federal minimum wage requirements"

maybe you should fix that then instead of blaming the consumer
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Male 7,924
Jendrian

"I don`t see why restaurant owners are so special they don`t have to pay minimum wage like everyone else."

Do you guys really not get this?

If you make restaurant owners pay minimum wage, they simply raise the price of food accordingly. Then you don`t tip, you just pay the bill. However your cost of food is raised to about what your tip would have been and now you are taxed on that so your overall bill is the same or more.

The only thing that changes is that now the server doesn`t have any incentive to give you exemplary service as they will get paid the same no matter what and they don`t get a portion of their income in "non-taxable" cash. SO now the IRS gets more money from the restaurant owner AND you AND the server.
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Female 1,467
I`m with skypirate, tipping for service is for bars. Restaurant tipping is because waitstaff is taxed 8% of any of their reciepts based on the assumption that people tip. So if people don`t at least tip 8% a person is actually loosing money. I believe. They do get minimum in California but that isn`t a livable wage.
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Male 2,516
I don`t see why restaurant owners are so special they don`t have to pay minimum wage like everyone else.
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Male 7,924
TruTenrMan

"It`s crap like this that makes me NOT want to tip people."

You mean because you`re a cheap piece of s.hit?

Don`t think of it as a tip. Think of it as 15% of the cost of your meal that you pay directly to your server.
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Male 7,924
normalfreak2

"pay their employees a livable wage"

They would. Livable wage is way higher than minimum wage.

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Male 2,552
It`s crap like this that makes me NOT want to tip people.
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Male 12
Why do I have to subsidize my waitstaffs salary?
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Male 2,545
eh, i stick with a 20% 5 buck min and a dollar a drink. unless im at an open bar event, then its 20-30 with the first drink and they will remember you all night long.
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Male 2,357
I am under the impression that, if the tips provided over the course of the shift combined with the earned wage does not add up to the area minimum wage, the employer is responsible for paying the difference.

Is there a waiter or waitress among us who can either validate or invalidate that?
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Male 5,970
It`s the restaurant lobby. They think they`ll go out of business if they have to pay their employees a livable wage.
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Male 2,371
I`m a good tipper but why bag on the "cheapskate" customer and leave the restaurant owner off the hook? That`s the real source of the problem.
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Female 7,838
Like DM I am somewhere we tip for really good service. Admittedly staff usually make minimum wage, which is not the same as a living wage, but at least I don`t tip for everything- certainly not at the pub.
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Male 3,285
There are no problems with tipping people. The problem comes when you are FORCED to tip or it forms the basic part of the end bill.
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Male 7,353
"restaurants are permitted to bypass the federal minimum wage requirements."

Incorrect. Tips are part of wage. If you`re not making significantly more than minimum wage on tips, then you`re in the wrong profession.
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Female 1,540
I base tips on service. If they are a sh*t server that disappears for long periods of time (like 20-30 mins!) then the tip will reflect that. Very rarely does this happen but just because you are a server doesn`t mean you deserve a tip. You have to work to earn that tip. And we all know what kind of server I am talking about.
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Female 22
This is really a non-issue for me, because I live in Europe. But you make a poor argument, unless you want your food with a side of spit. And that crappy website doesn`t help much either.
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Male 14,330
Exactly!
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Male 37,897

True dat.
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Male 2,670
Amen to this! If you cheap bastards don`t want to tip, keep your cheap ass at home.
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Male 10,845
They aren`t forced to do anything. If you`re complaining about how they`re forced to NOT mandate money from someone else then you have a problem.
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Male 1,293
Obviously this only applies to the USA. Tipping is generally considered optional in the rest of the world.
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Male 892
20% minimum -- unless the only time you`ve ever eaten at Denny`s they charge you $6.00 for a glass of orange juice.
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Female 8,044
Link: If You Can`t Afford To Tip [Pic] [Rate Link] - Advice for non-tippers from the people who get tips. The website is linked in the credits below.
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