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28 Responses to Health Care Lottery

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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 10:06 am
    Link: Health Care Lottery - Tennessee - Need I say any more?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 10:30 am
    Yes forcing people to buy health insurance through tax loophole so it dosen`t violate laws against exactly that sort of thing is surely the answer!! Insurance companies have been so fair and honest I`m sure they`d never exploit an oligarchy!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 10:33 am
    Yes and the obvious liberal solution is to...

    ...THROW MORE MONEY AT IT!!

    That solves everything right?

    Get real.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
    1540 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 10:50 am
    *sigh*
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 11:29 am
    @Cajun247 who said, "Yes and the obvious liberal solution is to...THROW MORE MONEY AT IT!! That solves everything right? Get real."

    That`s better than the conservative solution? The conservative solution is to throw money into foreign wars, make sure rich bankers get away with destroying our economy, and then complain about how much money the govt wastes. Soooo much better!

    See? I can play the liberal/conservative stereotype game too! Just apply everything you hate to the other political party. Its so much easier than looking at facts and realizing both political views have valid points (and severely wrong ones as well).
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 11:31 am
    The conservative solution is to throw money into foreign wars

    Which I also oppose

    make sure rich bankers get away with destroying our economy

    Dems had a hand in that too.


    Future reference: I`m a libertarian.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 11:33 am
    Okay, so, let`s ask ourselves a super easy question: does the ACA and all that it covers cost more or less than the current system, which sees people without insurance going to the ER for everything from the flu to pregnancy to diabetes so bad that amputation, physical therapy, prostheses and after care are required. All uninsured?

    I`ll wait while all of you fiscal conservatives figure that out.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2013 at 11:38 am
    "Future reference: I`m a libertarian."

    Who did you vote for in the last election?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 11:46 am
    Who did you vote for in the last election?

    Niether Romney nor Obama.

    which sees people without insurance going to the ER for everything from the flu to pregnancy to diabetes so bad that amputation, physical therapy, prostheses and after care are required.

    If the problem is a third party payer system then the solution is NOT to get more people to rely on insurance. It means people need pay more for their care out of their own pocket. That way hospitals and caregivers aren`t billing the insured according to dubious codes enumerated in programs such as MediCare.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    Cajun247, I don`t disagree with you, but right now they`re not paying anything, often waiting until they`re far sicker than they need be, and then accessing an ER, which runs 4-5 times the cost of a primary care facility that accepts insurance. The point is, we`re already paying for their care! We`re just paying more than we should be because, what, we don`t like Obama? I`m not saying the ACA is perfect. Far from it. But should striving for perfection be the enemy of progress and savings?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14625 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    If you want a laugh, read this:

    Table of Hong Kong public healthcare charges

    Charges include meds, too. If you can`t afford to pay for any of this, then you pay nothing/ get a full refund.

    BTW, these charges are in Hong Kong Dollars. Divide by 7.9 to get US Dollars.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14625 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    "Non-eligible persons" in the table linked essentially means non-residents.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    @Smag

    does the ACA and all that it covers cost more or less than the current system
    That`s way too black and white of an explanation. The most likely scenario is that total healthcare costs will increase.

    Before anyone points out how well Europe or Canada is doing, let me point out that they are also experiencing healthcare bubbles.

    The reason for it is simple: third-party payer. Any type of insurance, whether private, "private", or public, results in a bubble. Yes, demand will go up, but that is not the only problem. Cost per unit good will go up as well - somewhat paradoxically.

    A doctor cannot charge $1b for a C-Section because nobody would buy it; there is no profit to be made. Thus, prices must reflect the price offered by the average target consumer. However, have someone who will always "pick up the tab", and prices inflate.

    HSA + HDHP is the right choice.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    The economic problem with the ACA isn`t that it`s "universal" or that it is a public option; the problem is that it`s an insurance scheme.

    Think about your auto mechanic. If the claim goes through insurance, do you expect the cost to be more or less than if you paid out of pocket? It`s always more. The same principle applies to healthcare.

    A public option *could* be created without insurance and *could* be successful - Hong Kong is a very good example. The key requirement is that everyone needs to pay for the services they use out of pocket. Tax dollars *could* be used to subsidize public hospitals and keep prices low; a small, private insurance market can exist for those who want the additional guarantees.

    That all being said, I`m against a public option simply because I do not believe it is the role of the government.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36679 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    LOL. I hate John Stewart....but that was great!

    As much as Obamacare sucks, the conservative Republitard solution is even worse....die.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    Glad me got NHS
    Ok you can wait ages but hell keep you going
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    A public option *could* be created without insurance and *could* be successful - Hong Kong is a very good example. The key requirement is that everyone needs to pay for the services they use out of pocket. Tax dollars *could* be used to subsidize public hospitals and keep prices low; a small, private insurance market can exist for those who want the additional guarantees.

    I agree, HumanAction, and there are other examples, too. But, in a way, that`s the direction the ACA is going in. Kinda. I`m not saying it`s perfect, at all, but, even with the economic forces you mention, I think it`ll be cheaper than what we`re paying now. And, it`ll lead to secondary and tertiary benefits that *could* help the economy, too. I realize it`s not perfect, and would have loved something far better. But, it *is* better than what we currently have.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    @SmagBoy

    It seems like we mostly agree, but I`m not sure we`re entirely on the same page.

    Basically, I was condemning the insurance market; it`s a scam. The only outcome is that prices will be higher than if there were no insurance. The more widespread the insurance gets, the more destructive it will be.

    Now, a single-payer system - like Canada - would keep costs lower than the US market. A single-payer has more leverage to force service providers to offer lower prices. However, they`re still going to experience a bubble. ACA, on the other hand, is not a single-payer system. I don`t know what the outcomes cost-wise is going to be. It would be cheaper to just nationalize healthcare - good luck though.

    I`m against ACA because I can`t see any good coming from it. We should be trying to kill insurance, not force everyone onto it.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
    2095 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 7:44 pm
    Oregon has a lottery for health cars as well. Absolute garbage. I have a cyst in my hand, went to the local low income clinic. Couldn`t get in. The lobby was full of Hispanics and Nigerians. Just sayin.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    He seems to have completely forgotten the first two years of Obama`s presidency when the Democrats controlled both houses of congress. Either that, or he`s a lying liberal sack of dog $#!+.
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    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    July 26, 2013 at 11:00 pm
    Ollie, just stfu already. That stupid claim has been so thoroughly debunked that you must be either a) lying your ass off, or b) a mindless conservatard*. In your case, I do believe it could be both.


    *one who doesn`t let facts spoil a perfectly good fantasy.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36679 posts
    July 27, 2013 at 6:27 am
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    July 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    chicklett, I never made any such claim. Stewart said the Republicans are at to blame for all of Obama`s problems because they have been obstructing his agenda. In fact, Republicans had no power to stop ANYTHING for the first two years of Obama`s presidency. Obama took that opportunity to pass Obamacare against the will of the American people and rack up nearly $3 trillion in debt. Those are facts.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    July 27, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    @ Old Ollie:

    ""He seems to have completely forgotten the first two years of Obama`s presidency when the Democrats controlled both houses of congress. Either that, or he`s a lying liberal sack of dog $#!+."


    Okay, so that is true but what does that have to do with states turning down Medicare assistance and replacing it with horrendously underfunded alternative?

    I get it. Reps don`t like him or his "agenda", but why be petty and turn down $300,000 of Medicare money that isn`t coming from these states` taxes?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    July 27, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    I get it. Reps don`t like him or his "agenda", but why be petty and turn down $300,000 of Medicare money that isn`t coming from these states` taxes?
    So, where do you think that money`s coming from, the f***ing tooth fairy? The reason they`re fighting to stop Obamacare is because after it completely destroys our health care system, it will totally collapse our economy, and unlike Greece, NOBODY will be there to bail us out.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    July 27, 2013 at 11:42 pm
    "So, where do you think that money`s coming from, the f***ing tooth fairy? "

    --No, it`s coming from federal taxes.

    "The reason they`re fighting to stop Obamacare is because after it completely destroys our health care system, it will totally collapse our economy, and unlike Greece, NOBODY will be there to bail us out."

    --I understand the reason people don`t want Universal Health Care, but that`s not the point of this story is it. Reversing it is irrelevant in regards to denying the additional money that`s already been taxed.

    It`s there and they want to deny people who really need it such as working families, the elderly, and special needs children.

    It`s just petty.
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    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    July 28, 2013 at 9:36 am
    OldMoldie: "I never made any such claim."

    So, you didn`t really post that "the first two years of Obama`s presidency when the Democrats controlled both houses of congress" lie? Did someone hack your account?? What bullshi.t you spew, Moldie! You are so blinded by your hatred of "libtards" that you never even make sense! You wouldn`t recognize a fact if you found one in your Cheerios.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    July 28, 2013 at 11:14 pm
    Chicklet, you`re totally f***ing insane.

    Here`s proof that what I said was a fact, not that it will do any good.

    In the November 4, 2008 elections, the Democratic Party increased its majorities in both chambers, giving President Obama a Democratic majority in the legislature for the first two years of his presidency.

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