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118 Responses to CNN Airs George Zimmerman`s Social Security Number

  1. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Link: CNN Airs George Zimmerman`s Social Security Number - Now he can sue CNN along with NBC!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 10:40 am
    If this is true, then it`s grounds for a mistrial. Perhaps that`s what the prosecution wanted considering their case has been going up in smoke, but I digress.

    BTW what did NBC do?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 10:44 am
    This witch-hunt (I mean, fair and unbiased trial) is pathetic. Everyone involved in the facilitation of this sham should be ashamed.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 10:49 am
    @Cajun

    NBC aired an edited version of the recording between Zimmerman and the dispatcher.

    In the actual conversation, Zimmerman says that TM looks like he is up to no good; he is then asked by the dispatcher what race TM is and responds that is black.

    NBC aired the tape minus the dispatchers question regarding TM`s race. The edited version sounded like Zimmerman suggested TM looked like he was up to no good because he was black.

    Essentially, they tried to paint his actions as being motivated by race.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 10:50 am
    @Cajun247
    no that is NOT grounds for a mistrial
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 10:57 am
    Now the the judge is trying to peg manslaughter and child abuse on him cause it looks like 2nd degree murder isn`t going to stick. Ya she sound totally unbiased. Meanwhile FL prepares for riots with ads saying something like be peacful when protesting. Must be for all those white folk planning on buring down everything in sight if he`s found guilty...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
    @HumanAction

    Thanks.

    @dm2754

    Really? Displaying a party`s personal information for witnesses (and now the nation) to see ISN`T misconduct? That`s news.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 11:32 am
    Brace yourselves.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    This farce is entering the final act:

    Prosecution tried to introduce NEW CHARGES after closing arguments? ZOMG! At least the idiot Judge threw THAT out...

    What a joke! Should be the fastest jury debate in history...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    This morning, before closing arguements, the state tried to slip in additional charges of
    Agrivated assault & 3rd Degree Murder based on child abuse `cause Trayvon was 17. What a bunch of slime balls to add charges after the defense rests and can`t present evidence against it.

    The Judge allowed original Murder 2 charge and added Manslaughter. It`s nearly the same penalty for either charge.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Cajun247-"Displaying a party`s personal information for witnesses (and now the nation) to see ISN`T misconduct?"

    It is misconduct, but not by anyone associate with the trial. Nor does it have any influence on the trial.

    I would say that Zimmerman has a good case for a lawsuit against CNN, and he should easily win the one against NBC.

    It`s just `amazing` how many missteps, mistakes and `oopsies` the media has had in regard to Zimmerman. Why, it almost seems like they have an agenda.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    What would be the point of introducing that information at trail in the first place?
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    This whole fiasco is a disgusting example of the BS depths that the justice system has slunk to.

    The media tainted the case with sensationalist reporting, irresponsible speculation, and outright dishonest smearing. The judge does not seem impartial in the least and the prosecution is grasping at straws. Complete BS all round.

    If this results in a guilty verdict, it will be yet another nail in the coffin of dying U.S. justice system.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I would say Zimmerman has a good case against Florida. The DA & Police said no law was boroken and released him.

    The ONLY reason he`s at trail is the politicians applying pressure to appease the unwashed masses.

    I`ve been watching the live court feed at work and the state has no case whatsoever. That does not mean he won`t be convicted.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    Lets not forget this statement too....

    Mabey he should also sue Obama LOL!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Interesting that the prosecution is allowed to lie inclosing arguments. About what an innocent angel Trayvon was. No, he didn`t deserved to die, but he was far from innocent and he was culpable in his own death.

    DA started leading the jury and his words started out factual, the got progressively more hostile. He began with "followed", later said "stalked" and finally used the words "Chased Trayvon" and "Pursued Trayvon". Many examples of that in his argument. He has no evidence so he`s just building up their negative emotional response to George Zimmerman.

    Yes, Defense gets to give their side tomorrow...but then the Prosecution gets to do a rebuttal on the Defense closing argument. WTF is that? Prosecution gets 2 shots to convince the jury, Defense gets only 1!

    And the punishment is nearly the same for whatever crime he is convicted of - Assault or murder.

    Florida be crazy!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    Look I try to avoid the Zimmerman stuff because it is infuriating.

    A kid was walking home in his own neighborhood with nothing more dangerous than skittles.

    Some want to be badass was following him around until the kid felt threatened.

    An altercation occured.

    Zimmerman killed the kid.

    He should have taken his ass kicking like a man and used it as motivation to either A. Get in shape and learn how to fight or B. Mind his own business and not stalk people.

    Either way avoiding a beat down is NOT a reason to KILL. He is a p.ussy and I hope he has the opportunity to be treated as such in prison.

    I find it AMAZING that you guys can defend him.
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    abby0315 Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    I wonder if the prosecutor yelling and raising his voice to the jury will have any affect on their verdict?

    If I was one of those jury members, I would see that this trial isn`t about what it`s presented to be, but one of a race game and just declare him innocent of that alone.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    abby0315

    "one of a race game and just declare him innocent of that alone."

    Of course it is a race game, but one that shows that a white(ish) guy killing a black kid is held accountable JUST as much as if a black guy killed a white kid.

    Ask yourself this, if a black adult got in an altercation with a white unarmed teenager in his own neighborhood and shot and killed the kid would he have tons of supporters on the internet, be raising untold amounts of money from supporters and going on Hannity?

    Come on.

    Racism is an issue in this country and if you deny that you are either lying or stupid.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    He should have taken his ass kicking like a man and used it as motivation to either A. Get in shape and learn how to fight or B. Mind his own business and not stalk people.

    LOL well 1. You can kill someone by hitting them and wacking their head off cement 2. Assualt is illegal and falls under the stand your ground law. You sound alot like the prosucution!
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    @HolyGod

    I have to disagree with just about everything you`ve said.

    The reasoning you`ve employed leads to some troubling logical conclusions. If this was a woman being attacked by Martin, would you feel the same way (that she should simply "take it")?

    If so, then I think you are a terrible person. No person should be forced by another to endure a beating especially if they have the means to end it. You absolutely have a right to prevent your own death or serious injury at the hands of another regardless of their race or age. That being said, you must stop your engagement immediately once your assailant stops. By all indications, Zimmerman followed those rules.

    On the other hand, if you think a woman has a right to defend herself in this situation but not a man, then I suppose you`re sexist - for lack of a better word. This is not a society where laws are dependent on sex or race.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    McGovern1981

    "LOL"

    Hey a 17 year old died. I see nothing LOL about it.

    He may have been black he may have been a hood rat piece of s.hit. I don`t really know.

    In my opinion a gun should be used for absolutely 1 reason: to save your life or the life of another.

    You think it is OK to use it in defense of property.

    It is a MORAL distinction, not a LEGAL one.

    You really think Martin was going to beat him to death? Come on the pudgy the little b.itch tried to be a badass he got his ass handed to him by a teenager and he killed him like a p.ussy.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    HumanAction

    "I have to disagree with just about everything you`ve said... If this was a woman being attacked by Martin"

    We aren`t talking about someone coming out of nowhere and attacking someone else. You think martin just jumped him and started beating him mercilessly?

    I think this was a matter of mutual escalation until one side was winning and zimmerman pulled out a gun to end it.
  24. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    HolyGod-"You really think Martin was going to beat him to death?"

    You seem to thing that it is an impossible scenario.

    From FBI states, you are more likely to be killed by a beating than by either a shotgun or rifle. (FBI Crims stats for2011 : 728 murders by hands, feet, fists, etc, 356 by shotgun, 323 by rifle).

    Yet you seem to think it`s impossible.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    @HolyGod

    You think martin just jumped him and started beating him mercilessly?
    I think the evidence supports the theory that Martin physically engaged Zimmerman first and quickly gained a dominant position. Even if Zimmerman started the fight (which I don`t think happened), Martin had a legal obligation to stop attacking once Zimmerman stopped. If someone grabs your arm, or slaps you, or punches you once, you do not have a legal right to beat the crap out of them. Your right to self defense only extends as long as you are being attacked.

    The problem is that a witness corroborates Zimmerman`s account that Martin was continuing the attack; no evidence exists that suggests otherwise. I see no reason to dismiss a stance supported by evidence in favor of one unsupported by evidence.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    MeGrendel

    "Yet you seem to think it`s impossible."

    I`m SUPER familiar with those stats. We use them all the time in gun debates.

    But those include intentional murder. Husbands killing their wives. People strangling someone. Bar fights with a bunch of backstory.

    Do you really think many of those are two random strangers meeting for the first time?

    Let`s say Treyvon hit Zimmerman first. You think if zimmerman goes to the ground in a ball that trayvon keeps hitting him?

    This fight escalated because zimmerman was in wanna be bad ass mode. You know the type.


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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    @Holygod

    I said from the getgo that George Zimmerman should`ve charged with manslaughter. His reasons for killing Martin were not sound, but nonetheless there was no proof that he had any ill will towards him. Yet despite the lack of proof thereof the prosecution pushed for a SECOND DEGREE MURDER charge. At this point their case might as well be up in smoke, and the public has already been so tainted by this trial`s publicity that they`ve ultimately trashed their chances of a manslaughter charge.

    The ONLY reason why race is involved is because peeved commentators (like you) and the prosecution brought it up.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    HumanAction

    "I see no reason to dismiss a stance supported by evidence in favor of one unsupported by evidence."

    If you think that zimmerman went to the ground or backed away and martin kept coming that is one thing. But that takes a very violent very angry very evil person to beat a stranger who is trying to end a fight. There is no "evidence" to support that martin was like that.

    I have seen WAY too many fights to believe that is what happened. It just contradicts human nature.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:47 pm
    HolyGod-"But those include intentional murder."

    So now you claim to know what Martin`s intentions were?

    HolyGod-"People strangling someone."

    Martin is people, Zimmerman is someone.

    HolyGod-"Bar fights with a bunch of backstory."

    And yardfights with very little.

    The evidence does not support your position.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    Cajun247

    "George Zimmerman should`ve charged with manslaughter"

    Agreed.

    "The ONLY reason why race is involved is because peeved commentators (like you) and the prosecution brought it up."

    Read my comment to Abby0315.

    Do you really think that if the races were reversed he`d be making appearances on Hannity? If not than race IS a factor.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    Do you really think that if the races were reversed he`d be making appearances on Hannity?

    That is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the accused party`s guilt. All that would show is that Faux News is a heavily partisan media organization nothing else.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    MeGrendel

    "So now you claim to know what Martin`s intentions were? "

    I`m talking premeditated murder.

    I`m pre sure he hadn`t planned on killing a stranger on his way back from getting skittles.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Cajun247

    "That is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the accused party`s guilt."

    Sure. Not saying it isn`t.

    But in my opinion his guilt is indisputable. He initiated an altercation with a perfect stranger and shot and killed an unarmed kid.

    Everything else is just degrees of guilt.

    Whether or not he is LEGALLY guilty depends on your interpretation of other laws. Doesn`t change the fact that he is guilty.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:56 pm
    @HolyGod

    There is no "evidence" to support that martin was like that.
    Yes there is: John Good testified that Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman. Unless your name is Anderson Silva, being on the bottom is a defensive position - you`re either trying to weather the blows or escape. The top person is always the aggressor; it is a position of power.

    I simply don`t see any evidence that suggests that Zimmerman was the aggressor. On the other hand, there is evidence that Martin was.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 2:57 pm
    Cajun247-"The ONLY reason why race is involved is because peeved commentators (like you) and the prosecution brought it up."

    Race is involved because the Media made it racial. Editing 911 tapes to make Zimmerman look racial. Classifying a hispanic as `white-hispanic`. Showing `angelic` old pictures of Martin, but Zimmerman in a orange jail outfit.

    Race is involved because the President made it racial. "If I had a son, he`d look like Trayvon." Now, I don`t think he was referring to the fact that Trayvon had two arms and two legs like him. What feature could he be referring to? Race maybe?

    Race is involved because Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson made it racial.

    Race is involved because the Black Panthers made it racial, by putting a bounty on Zimmerman`s head.
  36. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    HumanAction

    "you`re either trying to weather the blows or escape."

    Sure. But try to escape so you can keep fighting or try to escape so you can run away?

    If I get in a fight with someone and they start it and I take them down I`m not giving them an opportunity to get up and try to hit me again. I`m ending the fight. But the moment they are obviously no longer wanting to fight I`m off them.

    Plenty of people go from being on the bottom to winning fights.

    Who is on top is an indication of strength and ability not necessarily willingness to end a fight. Agreed?
  37. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    HolyGod-"I`m talking premeditated murder."

    I missed that column on the FBI stats for murder by beating.

    HolyGod-"He initiated an altercation with a perfect stranger"

    Unproven. He followed a person in his neighborhood and asked him what`s up. That`s not illegal.

    By your `logic`, If I walked up to you and said `Hi`, and you punched me in the face, I would have been the one who initiated a fight.
  38. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    Doesn`t change the fact that he is guilty.

    Rest assured I`m not defending Zimmerman, but the prosecutor in all her hubris has resorted smearing his character at the expense of justice and the people of Florida. Zimmerman DID deserve to go to court but he sure as Hell did not deserve the charge nor what prosecutor has put him through.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    @MeGrendel

    I understated, fair enough.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    MeGrendel

    "Race is involved because the Media made it racial. Editing 911 tapes to make Zimmerman look racial. Classifying a hispanic as `white-hispanic`. Showing `angelic` old pictures of Martin, but Zimmerman in a orange jail outfit."

    Those all pissed me off ESPECIALLY the photo thing. It was SO blatant.

    "Race is involved because the President made it racial. "If I had a son, he`d look like Trayvon." Race maybe?"

    That`s bulls.hit. He looks a lot like him when he was in high school. Not ALL black people look alike just like not all white people look alike. Ig Bush said some kid looked like him would you assume it was ONLY because he was white?

    "Race is involved because Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson made it racial."

    F.uck them and their manipulative holier than thou false profit asses.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Ya little angel....

    Now tell me how many 17 year old get gold teeth through hard work and honesty..... The media, politicians and black community made complete asses of themselves from this whole ordeal assuming it was whiteys fault.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Don`t expect to act like a thug and not get shot like one.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:09 pm
    @HolyGod

    Who is on top is an indication of strength and ability not necessarily willingness to end a fight. Agreed?
    Oh sure - given you leave the word "necessarily" in there. I think there is a very good chance the Zimmerman wanted out of the fight. Here is my reasoning:

    1. We have evidence that Martin was on top, in the dominating position;
    2. Given physical stature, it seems reasonable that Martin was the superior fighter;
    3. We know someone was yelling for `Help!` - a clear indication that someone wanted the fight to end.

    Given these, it just becomes a matter of probability. Was it more likely that the person of superior physical skill, in a dominant position, while striking (John Good testimony) was yelling for help; or, is it more likely that the weaker, defending person was yelling for help?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    MeGrendel

    "I missed that column on the FBI stats for murder by beating."

    You sited a stat on number of deaths using hands. I simply pointed out that a large portion of those were premeditated or intentional murders vs. fights among strangers. I would assume that is common sense. Are we not allowed to use common sense in discussions anymore.

    "If I walked up to you and said `Hi`, and you punched me in the face, I would have been the one who initiated a fight."

    If i did that I would be a mad dog violent sociopath. Do you think martin was? DO you REALLY think that is what happened?

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    McGovern1981

    "Now tell me how many 17 year old get gold teeth through hard work and honesty..... The media, politicians and black community made complete asses of themselves from this whole ordeal assuming it was whiteys fault."

    See THIS is why it is racial. RIGHT THERE. He is black and had gold teeth so he must have paid for them dishonestly.

    If it was a white girl with diamond earrings that cost 5 times as much would you say the same thing?

    I had a gold rolex when I was 16. Was that because I was robbing or dealing?

    No, I inherited it from my grandfather.

    You are racist, flat out, and nothing you say will convince me otherwise. It is just the way your brain works and it is PAINFULLY obvious.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    HolyGod, "A kid was walking home in his own neighborhood with nothing more dangerous than skittles."
    There is so much wrong with just that one statement. You clearly know nothing of this case. I started the trial thinking he was an okay kid, but have come to know he was a thug.

    Trayvon, a stranger in the neighborhood who does not live there, was seen circling cars when Zimmerman spotted him and called 911. A Slim Jim {not the meat stick, the burglar tool} was found in the bushes where he ambushed Zimmerman.

    Trayvon`s face book page talked about cooking up a drug called LEAN. You need skittles and watermelon ice tea and Robitussin. In short the little angel had 2/3rs of the ingredients to cook up drugs. Also it had photos of him smoking weed.

    His phone had text messages of him trying to buy a gun.

    He had drugs in his system at the time of his death.

    cont.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    cont.

    Trayvon had been suspended form school for drugs. And he was currently on suspension for attacking the school bus driver.

    @ 16 has multiple tattoos and gold teeth.

    Now, does that sound like a wholesome, innocent angel or some thug who is likely to attack someone?

    Zimmerman had the marks on his head, face, clothes to confirm his story. Trayvon had the marks on the knees of his pants and Zimmermans blood on his shirt {a little bit} also.

    Witnesses confirm Zimmerman`s story, in parts. NOTHING contradicts the story.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    HumanAction

    I`ve done MMA for a decade so I`ve been in lots of "fights". Now obviously a trained fight is WAY different than a street fight, but I have been on top lots and on bottom lots and I guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively if the person on top is "dominating".
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    HolyGod-"Ig Bush said some kid looked like him would you assume it was ONLY because he was white?"

    Bush wasn`t dumb enough to get involved in a local shooting or break-in (ala "They police acted stupidly").

    Tell me, in both cases, where Obama should not have gotten involved, what do the two sides he supported have in common?

    What about the case of a 13 year old boy was chased to his doorstep by two boys, who doused him with gasoline and lit him on fire, while yelling, “This is what you deserve, White boy.”?

    Why didn`t the President say "If I had a son..."
    Why didn`t the Media scream about it for years and demand justice?
    Why didn`t Jackson, Sharpton march for him.
    Why didn`t the Black Panthers put a bounty on the heads of the perps?

    I`ll tell you why? The boy was white and the perps were black.

    The closest they media could come to reporting it was `possib
  50. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    "In my opinion a gun should be used for absolutely 1 reason: to save your life or the life of another. "
    HolyGod, the we agree Zimmerman is innocent as he used it to save his life. How many times does your head have to hit the concrete before you suffer brain swelling? The medical person who examined Zimmerman said "stopping the attack probably saved his life".
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively if the person on top is "dominating".

    Now we`re entering conspiracy territory.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    Gerry1of1

    "Now, does that sound like a wholesome, innocent angel or some thug who is likely to attack someone? "

    Did I say he was? Holy s.hit. He may have been a little want to be hood rat. I don`t know.

    But you just listed gold teeth, tattoos, and drug use as evidence of what?

    You never smoked weed in high school? Come the f.uck on.

    NOTHING you listed supports that he was violent except the bus driver thing.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    HolyGod-"DO you REALLY think that is what happened?"

    No, just equating that scenario with you thinking that asking someone what they`re up to is `initiating an altercation`.

    HolyGod-"Are we not allowed to use common sense in discussions anymore."

    Of course we are, you just don`t seem to do so.

    Of course the stat included intentional...it also included non-intentional. You wanted to make it seem like that outcome was impossible.

    HolyGod-"See THIS is why it is racial. RIGHT THERE."

    How is that racial. He didn`t mention race? He mentioned `17 year old`.

    I`ve seen teenage thugs with gold teeth that happened to be white. Why did you automatically assume he was referring to a black 17 year old? Sounds like your bias.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    Megrendel

    "Why didn`t the President say "If I had a son..."
    Why didn`t the Media scream about it for years and demand justice?
    Why didn`t Jackson, Sharpton march for him.
    Why didn`t the Black Panthers put a bounty on the heads of the perps? "

    WHy? I`ll tell you why. Because two centuries of history have shown that justice will be done without their help.

    White people don`t NEED to get involved in black on white crime because the justice system usually takes care of it just fine.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    HolyGod-"guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively if the person on top is "dominating"."

    He was less than 4" away from the barrel of the gun. Exaclty HOW MUCH aiming is involved?
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    MeGrendel

    "How is that racial. He didn`t mention race? He mentioned `17 year old`. "

    he posted a picture. What part of that picture was showing that the gold teeth weren`t earned honestly? No 17 year olds can buy themselves gold teeth or get them from parents? Really?

    F.ucking hell, cheap "grillz" are less than $100.

    So if a white kid has a $300 playstation than McGovern would ALSO assume that he got it from dishonest means?

    Give me a break.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:33 pm
    MeGrendel

    "He was less than 4" away from the barrel of the gun. Exaclty HOW MUCH aiming is involved?"

    I just mean it would be easy to reach for your gun and fire it but to reach and point it at someone who is "dominating" you would be incredibly difficult. i meant aim in general not as in he was using his sights or anything.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    @HolyGod

    I`ve done MMA for a decade so I`ve been in lots of "fights".
    Introduce an "expert" without any supporting evidence. Check.

    Now obviously a trained fight is WAY different than a street fight
    Add clause to make "expert" appear impartial. Check.

    been on top lots and on bottom lots and I guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively if the person on top is "dominating"
    Have "expert" provide impossible guarantee. Check.

    Bernie de la Rionda, is that you?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    HumanAction

    Im not even responding to that kind of sarcastic bulls.hit. We have interesting discussions but every once in a while you slip into a.sshole mode for seemingly no reason.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    HolyGod, Agreed he didn`t deserve to die, but he picked a fight. He didn`t just punch someone in the nose, he got on top and was slamming the guys head into the concrete. This isn`t just a brawl between two guys. Zimmerman thought he could die... medical person confirmed this threat, and he used the gun to stop the attack.

    A person has to be allowed to defend himself from attack. This trial is political.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm
    HolyGod-"White people don`t NEED to get involved in black on white crime"

    And yet reality has been stretched beyond credibitlity to make THIS one a `white on black` crime when it is no such thing.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    Cajun247

    "For shame."

    To what specifically?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    @HolyGod

    We have interesting discussions but every once in a while you slip into a.sshole mode for seemingly no reason.
    It`s because that how completely ridiculous your argument was. I present this logical argument listing all of my points that support my conclusion. I based my points on evidence that is privy to everyone here.

    In turn, you give me a completely untestable statement. How am I supposed to argue that? It`s no better than saying God exists because you`ve talked to him. Well that`s sure swell and all but am I supposed to just go off faith?

    Sorry, we do typically have decent and reasonable conversations, but I`m not about to accept that you`re some MMA expert in the middle of an argument about fighting; it`s a little too convenient. It`d be like having a debate on legality and suddenly claiming you`re a lawyer.

    Oh sure you are.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:54 pm
    HumanAction

    "Sorry, we do typically have decent and reasonable conversations, but I`m not about to accept that you`re some MMA expert in the middle of an argument about fighting; it`s a little too convenient. It`d be like having a debate on legality and suddenly claiming you`re a lawyer.

    Oh sure you are."

    Dude. I never said I`m an expert. or in the UFC, Or a professional by any means.

    That is why I put "fights" in quotes.

    My MMA is purely for fun and exercise. I`ve never entered a competition or anything. I just have done BJJ for a long time and I also do some muay thai mostly because it is free with my membership. You can think it is "convenient" if you wish, but if someone has mounted and is dominating you then you don`t really have the ability to do much with your hands that they aren`t controlling.

    Is personal experience not a legitimate argument anymore?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    HumanAction-" I`m not about to accept that you`re some MMA expert in the middle of an argument about fighting"

    Actually, he didn`t say `expert`, it just said `I`ve done MMA for a decade`. Doesn`t make him an expert, but I`d give him the benefit of a doubt.

    I tend to do the same thing if the subject is Chemistry, Shipping, manufacturing, graphic design, surviving hurricanes, handicap children, rural living, woodturning and calligraphy (to name a few).
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    @HolyGod

    Dude. I never said I`m an expert. or in the UFC, Or a professional by any means.
    Then you should not present yourself as such. You made a guarantee, a 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolute, guarantee that my conclusion was incorrect because of your experience.

    Here it is:

    I guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively
    This suggests that, despite my argument being reasonable and logical, it must be wholly dismissed because your subjective experience proves otherwise.

    I require something that I can test before I`m willing to completely change my opinion.
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm

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    July 11, 2013 at 4:07 pm

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    @MeGrendel

    Actually, he didn`t say `expert`
    I know, that`s why I had it in quotes. The intention was still to admit himself as a person of great experience - an expert, if you will - in order to invalidate (dismiss) my argument.

    If there is an error in my logic, then attack that. Don`t simply come in and dismiss it in the name of your experience and expect me to go along with it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:11 pm
    HumanAction

    "You made a guarantee, a 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolute, guarantee that my conclusion was incorrect because of your experience.

    Here it is:

    I guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively"

    That is total BULLS.HIT. You left out the conditional end of the statement:

    "I guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively if the person on top is "dominating"."

    IF THE PERSON IS DOMINATING. You said dominating. I`m not saying that someone on the bottom can`t get a gun out and shoot the guy on top, I`m saying that if the guy on bottom can do that then the guy on top was not "dominating" him.

    The moment the guy on bottom can do that is the moment the guy on top is not dominating him.

    That is just a fact. Sorry.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    MeGrendel

    "I`d give him the benefit of a doubt"

    Thanks. I appreciate that. I`d like to think I`ve earned the benefit of the doubt on here. I never bring up my own experience as verification of anything except for this, being a parent, and graphic design / photoshop.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    @HolyGod

    You left out the conditional end of the statement
    OK - but it still doesn`t change the intent and effect of your statement. Here, let`s revise my rant to accommodate your stipulations:

    You made a guarantee, a 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolute, guarantee that my conclusion was incorrect because of your experience.

    Here it is:

    I guarantee that the person on bottom can not get a gun out, aim it, and shoot it effectively if the person on top is "dominating".
    What have we accomplished by nitpicking this? The effect is still to dismiss my entire argument based on your subjective experience. The intent is still to introduce yourself as an "expert" on the matter.

    Nothing has changed from this alteration.

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    @HolyGod

    It`s one thing to say "Hey, I`m pretty experienced with this and I don`t think your scenario is likely." OK, that`s fine. You`re using your subjective experience to SUPPORT (provide evidence for) your argument; that works for me.

    It is another thing entirely to say, "Hey, I`m pretty experienced with this and your scenario is absolutely wrong." That`s not OK. You`re using your subjective experience to PROVE your position without any way of validating your experience.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Knock Knock
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    HumanAction

    "That`s not OK. You`re using your subjective experience to PROVE your position without any way of validating your experience."

    Your scenario is saying that martin was on zimmerman and "dominating" him and that zimmerman was able to get out his gun and shoot Martin.

    Yes. I`m saying that is impossible.

    Perhaps we are differing on what the word "dominating" means.

    To me it means absolute and total control and if you have absolute and total control of another person they can`t move their arms much less get out at a gun and point it at you.

    If they can then you weren`t "dominating".
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    Gerry1of1

    Who`s there?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    @HolyGod

    Yes. I`m saying that is impossible.
    This is decidedly different that what you said before. In this case, I could as easily say that it is absolutely possible and we would nullify each others` opinions.

    That is why you needed a way to establish that your opinion on the matter was somehow more valid than, or superior to, mine. In doing so, you stopped offering an opinion on the matter and started giving guarantees (facts) based on your supposed superior validity.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    HolyGod, I can see your point, if this were just two guys fighting, but it`s not.

    We know for fact that the neighborhood watch captain saw a stranger circling cars. He called this in to 911. When the strange saw he was observed he walked off. Zimmerman went up the walk to the corner to see which way the "perp" went. Trayvon doubled back and surprised Zimmerman {Trayvon`s phone conversation tells us he confronted Zimmerman.}

    No one knows who threw the first punch. But the evidence all backs up Zimmerman`s account. The grass stains, injuries, ballistics, witnesses, expert testimonies ... everything.

    The only inconsistencies in Zimmerman`s story are slight and considered normal. This according to the lead investigating detective. Who also testified they were "pressured" to arrest Zimmerman. Nothing in the prosecution counters the Zimmerman`s story of the self-defense.

    But truth has little to do with this case.
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    No matter what happens, there is one less future thug impregnating anything that will lay still for him.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    His family seem nice, respectable people.
    I wonder what happened to make him go gangsta.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm
    Some want to be badass was following him around until the kid felt threatened.
    @HolyGod: FALSE! GZ stopped his truck, that is ALL! TM also stopped, then came towards GZ`s truck. THOSE are the facts! Do TRY to keep them in mind, eh?

    He should have taken his ass kicking like a man
    Do you have any idea how stupid this statement is?
    Does TM have a RIGHT to beat another human being? No.
    If GZ had died, would anyone have cared? No.

    "She should have taken her rape like a woman"
    Are you comfortable saying that too?

    You should have stayed quiet @HolyGod: Your complete LACK of understanding BASIC FACTS in this case is shocking.

    Yet you blather on for page after page? Typical.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Florida law is crazy. I can`t imagine by what logic
    the prosecution can add charges after the defense
    has rested their case.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    I simply pointed out that a large portion of those were premeditated or intentional murders vs. fights among strangers.
    But @HolyGod: YOU YOURSELF accuse GZ of MURDER. So indeed, those "stats" apply. Got it? HOW can you tell which fist fights are "premeditated" and which are "accidental"? Oh yeah, the FACTAUL evidence! Not guesswork.

    NOTHING you listed supports that he was violent except the bus driver thing.
    Nothing... EXCEPT... = LMAO! You`d be funny @HolyGod, if you weren`t so stupid.

    He cannot "aim" a gun from less than 4 INCHES away? Really?

    Aren`t you the SAME @HolyGod who declared that GZ was NOT injured at all? You want to revisit your past "expertise" on this story?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    HolyGod, okay so what makes you agree he`s guilty?
    This is a Murder 2 charge. That implies the malicious intent to kill. What evidence is there that Zimmerman deliberately set out that night to kill someone that night?

    Why is it impossible for this to be what he says, self defense when his skull was being smashed into the concrete?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2013 at 7:33 pm
    I wonder what happened to make him go gangsta.
    @Gerry1: Drugs. He was into "Lean" and that stuff messes up your head really badly! And he LIKED IT like that!
    He was carrying 2 of the 3 ingredients for it...
    Smoking pot, vandalism, suspected of theft? Getting into fights? The kid was an ANGEL! No way he`d even J-WALK right?

    You made a guarantee, a 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolute, guarantee that my conclusion was incorrect because of your experience.
    Full Point: @HumanAction! You did guarantee it @HolyGod, so now "back it up" or admit your mistake. Nit picking? How "Clintonesque" of you...

    ...they can`t move their arms...
    So... fiction? THAT is your basis? Because NO ONE at ANY TIME has said GZ could not move his arms.
    (cont)
  86. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32796 posts
    July 11, 2013 at 7:38 pm
    So TM is `on top` and "raining blows" he is NOT holding down GZ`s arms.
    THAT is a FACT.
    GZ said he had his hands up defending himself as best he could, they were not "pinned down" in any way.
    Are you suggesting that TM was an MMA trained fighter? That he could do (at 17) what MMA fighters TRAIN TO DO for years?

    Give your head a shake man!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 11, 2013 at 8:20 pm
    Florida law is crazy. I can`t imagine by what logic the prosecution can add charges after the defense has rested their case.
    The "law" is whatever that stupid twat of a judge says it is, or so she thinks. She has made so many reversible errors in this case that even if GZ is convicted, it will never stand up on appeal.

    I think the plan is to convict him, refuse to let him bond out while he appeals the case, and then allow him to be murdered in prison.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2013 at 11:22 pm
    Gerry1of1

    "HolyGod, okay so what makes you agree he`s guilty?
    This is a Murder 2 charge. That implies the malicious intent to kill."

    I think murder 2 is probably unwarranted. It is manslaughter.

    If I get in a b ar fight and I "feel my life is being threatened" so I hit a guy in the head with a beer bottle and he dies I probably get manslaughter so that seems about right for this to me.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2013 at 2:09 am
    At the end of the day, it doesn`t make a lot of difference to the world whether Zimmerman is punished for this.

    However, of the various possible outcomes (clearly shown to be innocent, mistrial, found guilty, etc.), getting off because of what looks like incompetence on the part of the prosecutor is the worst one possible.

    It is not a fit legal precedent, nor does it clarify or challenge the law. It does not achieve redress or justice. It does not mollify the people that may riot in anger at the outcome. It does not even put Zimmerman out of harm`s way, safe from vigilante justice.

    What now? Are the family going sue Zimmerman for damages in a civil court, like in the OJ murder case?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2013 at 5:31 am
    THE level of evidence needed for convicted is "Beyond A Reasonable Doubt". Not only is there reasonable doubt, in this case, the evidence has shown that Zimmerman`s account of the events that night are true.

    This case goes well beyond, "If it doesn`t fit you must acquit".

    If Trayvon brawled you must absolve.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 5:39 am
    I had a gold rolex when I was 16. Was that because I was robbing or dealing?

    No, I inherited it from my grandfather.

    ROFL!! Now how do you inherit gold teeth. BTW that`s not a $110 grill they`re legit gold teeth which cost way more than $100.

    `ve done MMA for a decade so I`ve been in lots of "fights".

    So you`re a MENSA memeber, self made well off entrepreneur and an MMA fighter.... WAIT A SEC YOU`RE THE DOS EQUIS GUY!!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 12, 2013 at 6:01 am

    @ HolyGod, I hope you are never attacked and have to defend yourself.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    July 12, 2013 at 6:22 am
    CrakrJak- I guess that means someone can follow you around until you confront them- then they can shoot ya dead- in the spirit of self-defense, of course.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 6:34 am
    @CaptKangaroo

    Confrontation and assualt are two very different things. You are aware it`s not against the law to ask a person questions?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2013 at 6:44 am
    Draculya-"getting off because of what looks like incompetence on the part of the prosecutor is the worst one possible."

    The only reason the prosecutor looks incompetent is because he`s trying to build a case where there is none.

    He looks incompetent because this case was pushed upon him due to politics rather than the merits of the case.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 7:18 am
    McGovern1981

    "So you`re a MENSA memeber, self made well off entrepreneur and an MMA fighter.... WAIT A SEC YOU`RE THE DOS EQUIS GUY!!! "

    Being a member of mensa simply means you scored in the 98% percentile on a standardized IQ test, higher than 98 out of 100 people. Considering how dumb most people are it really isn`t that hard.

    I happen to be a pretty good graphic designer with good contacts who was raised by two business owners who have helped me along the way. I never said I invented something grand or made millions. I make a comfortable six figures and employee a few people part time.

    I am NOT an MMA fighter which is why "fights" was in quotes. I wrestled in high school and enjoyed it so I took up BJJ as a hobby. Merely for exercise and enjoyment I workout at a local MMA gym. I have never entered a competition or anything.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 7:23 am
    McGovern1981

    I don`t really feel like I have to prove myself to people on the internet and I`d like to think we can discuss certain things about ourselves without being ridiculed.

    Obviously there aren`t a lot of ways to prove it anyways without giving you way more info about myself than I`m willing to.

    However, if you think those three things are some outlandish braggadocios accomplishments you really need to reevaluate setting goals for yourself and aiming for something in life.

    Maybe then you wouldn`t be so angry and pathetic.

    To paraphrase "the dos equis guy", I don`t always get in stupid debates with total morons on the internet but when I do they are usually you.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 7:35 am



    The truth can no longer be hidden!!!
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2013 at 8:00 am
    If finding GZ guilty helps us keep the movement going, what`s one single human being worth, even if he might have acted in self-defense?

    That was in a comment section of an article I was reading about racism earlier this morning. Is this what it comes down to? Throw a guy in jail even if he`s proved innocent just to satisfy a certain group of people?

    The prosecution`s case against Zimmerman was weak from the getgo. I like so many other people naturally assumed in the beginning he just had to be guilty because of the constant barrage of media coverage. However from what I`ve seen of the trial it isn`t as cut and dry as the prosecution would have had everyone believe. And now that that`s been proven, and there is ALOT of reasonable doubt, the judge throws in other options for conviction?

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 12, 2013 at 8:37 am
    If I get in a bar fight and I "feel my life is being threatened" so I hit a guy in the head with a beer bottle and he dies...


    @HolyGod: "Feel my life is being threatened" is a VERY BROAD statement! And the GZ vs TM case is VERY specific, eh?

    Situation #1: He winks at you and blows you a kiss, you smash a bottle over his head? = manslaughter.
    Situation #2: He punches you in the nose, knocks you down, mounts and starts "hammer-fist" your head? THEN a bottle to his head = self defense.

    You cannot possibly disagree. It doesn`t matter why he hit you in the nose, it`s what comes AFTER that eh?
  101. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 12, 2013 at 8:40 am
    "he mounts you and starts hammer-fisting you..."

    idk, there`s just something... wrong!... with this sentence...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2013 at 9:01 am
    HolyGod: Considering how condescending you regularly are to others, shows you`re unintelligent. An intelligent person knows how to humble themselves, you don`t.

    Keep your snooty nose in the air there "Super Genius", we all know how well that served Wile E. Coyote in the end.

    If there has been an "outlandish braggadocio" here at IAB it`s you, and your choice of nickname set that fact in cement.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2013 at 9:09 am
    CrakrJak-"Considering how condescending you regularly are to others, shows you`re unintelligent"

    Sorry, that does not follow. One has nothing to do with the other.

    I could make a case of intelligent people tend to be condescending to others, as they tend to get exasperated with idiots fairly easily.

    CrakrJak-"An intelligent person knows how to humble themselves, "

    Sorry, `intelligent` =/= `humble`. I know way to many intelligent asswipes. I know many dumbass asswipes, too. I also know respectful people who fall under both catagories.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 9:59 am
    MeGrendel

    "Sorry, that does not follow. One has nothing to do with the other. I could make a case of intelligent people tend to be condescending to others, as they tend to get exasperated with idiots fairly easily. "

    Common sense like this is why I can have respectful interactions with you even though I pretty much NEVER agree with you. It is also why I cannot with certain unnamed people below.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 10:05 am
    McGovern19821

    OK, that made me chuckle.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2013 at 10:05 am
    You know I read something similar to some of the responses on here. Some people mention what if Travyon was beating up a girl...how you even get to that conclusion is beyond me. First you`d have to ask was she stalking Trayvon? if so and you get beat up you got beat up because you were too stupid. or if she died then death by suicide. She was asking for it.

    The lengths you right leaning folk go to is ridiculous, I`m not declaring Trayvon to be an angel or a good guy. But he was stalked whether or not he started the fight or not this shouldn`t have happened. This all stemmed from Zimmerman being an overzealous wanna be thinking Trayvon was up to no good. How anyone doesn`t see that happening is beyond me.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2013 at 10:14 am
    CrakrJak

    "An intelligent person knows how to humble themselves, you don`t. "

    I know HOW to be humble. In my real life I am quite nice and polite to stupid people while making a mental note to avoid them in the future.

    However this is the internet. Aren`t we all a little less inhibited on the internet?

    I can`t avoid stupid people on the internet. Look at 5cats. I haven`t made a comment to him in several months and he still tries to engage me, bait me, and insult me in pretty much every thread I comment on. In real life I would never associate or be around someone like that. On here I can`t avoid it.

    When I first started on this site I was polite and courteous to everyone, but you guys kind of systematically killed that with your incessant moronic badgering.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6164 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 11:22 am
    normalfreak2-"But he was stalked whether or not he started the fight or not this shouldn`t have happened."

    He was not `stalked`, he was followed.

    It is not illegal to follow someone. It is not illegal to ask them why they are in your neighborhood. It`s not illegal to ask them why they have a small dick.

    It IS illegal to assault someone. The only way Zimmerman is culpable is if he attacked Martin first.

    If he did not attacke Martin first, he`s just guilty of bad judgement.

    If he did attack Martin first, he is guilt of manslaughter.

    `Following` someone is not considered the beginning of an altercation.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 12, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    "If finding GZ guilty helps us keep the movement going, what`s one single human being worth, even if he might have acted in self-defense?"
    I can use that same logic to justify slavery.
    Sure, 20 thousand might loose their freedom, but MILLIONS will benefit from the low cost goods they create. The Supreme court ruled the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36665 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    TM went around a corner.
    GZ went up the walkway to see where he went.

    That`s not even "following". It`s not stalking, pursuing, or chasing as the prosecution described it. It was just checking to see what direction he went in to tell the cops when they arrived.

    Unfortunately for all Trayvon decided to hide in the bushes and confront Zimmerman.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36665 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    After hearing the Judge`s instructions to the jury,
    I think I did it.
    She was confusing.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    HG: "I can`t avoid stupid people on the internet."

    Well isn`t that a shame.
    Let me play the world`s smallest violin just for you.

    Perfect example of your snootiness and elitism. You feel offended that you have to engage with those you believe are inferior. Perhaps one day you will realize your own inferiorities.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32796 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    It is also why I cannot with certain unnamed people below.
    @HolyGod: Your choice. Your loss.

    Look at 5cats. I haven`t made a comment to him in several months and he still tries to engage me, bait me, and insult me in pretty much every thread I comment on.
    HAHAHA! You live in a fantasy world @HG! "every thread"? Not hardly! Every thread you say something wrong, stupid or impolite? Oh wait, that`s pretty much all of them.

    If I HAPPEN to read the same threads you`ve commented on? I apply the same rules to YOU as to EVERYONE else:
    If you`re smart, nice, funny? = compliment
    If you`re stupid, rude, ignorant? = comment

    You don`t "talk to me"? But you talk about me, gossip `3rd hand` with others and refer to me indirectly.

    Are you obsessed or something? Because honestly? I simply do not care.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    @Gerry

    I hope you don`t think I was justifying that comment as it was not my intention by a long shot. It was something I read that really made me look long and hard at all the media frenzy and actions of those like Al Sharpton that sent this situation to the heights that it has risen to. And how it`s made people want this guy to go to prison guilty or not.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6746 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    Crakr

    "Perfect example of your snootiness and elitism."

    Look up what "elitism" means.

    1. a. the belief that society should be governed by a select group of gifted and highly educated individuals
    b. such government
    2. pride in or awareness of being one of an elite group

    Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

    Only right wing morons use words like "intellectual" and "elite" as putdowns.

    Why vote for someone to be in charge that is "intellectual" or "elite"? Better to vote for someone you can "see having a beer with".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32796 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    snooty:
    — adj , snootier, snootiest
    1. aloof or supercilious
    2. snobbish or exclusive: a snooty restaurant

    So like @HG to cherry pick his picky nit picking...

    someone you can "see having a beer with".
    Wait, wasn`t that part of Obama`s campaign? It sure enough was!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36665 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    @ djwajda - no, I knew that was not your comment. I just like it so much I wanted to comment on it.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36665 posts
    July 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    2 men get into a fight and one dies, it is usually manslaughter.

    If one man jumps and attacks another, it is not a case of mutual combat, it`s self-defense.

    I hope the jury will see the difference.

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