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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 19, 2013 at 8:50 am
    Link: Charles Barkley Has Intelligent Things To Say - About the Zimmerman trial, on a CNBC show. Good for him! Story in credits link below.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:00 am
    He`s spot on. As far as law in concerned there wasn`t enough evidence to convict. Did Zimmerman target him and go after someone he shouldn`t have? Absolutely. Travyon wasn`t an innocent youth but in the end someone died that shouldn`t have that night.

    That whole altercation could have been avoided had Zimmerman not tried to play hero that night.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:07 am
    Charles Barkley, and good for him, is making the same mistake that the jurors and that 5Cats have made and that that they are considering there to have been two separate events. They`re pretending that Zimmerman didn`t engage Martin, that he didn`t pursue Martin to the point of legal assault (look up the definition) and that Martin`s actions weren`t justified, that Martin doesn`t get to defend himself from assault.

    But, hey, like I`ve said before, that`s what the jury found and that`s what the verdict is. Doesn`t mean it`s the right verdict. Zimmerman should be held accountable for his actions. Martin is dead, Zimmerman is a free man who can still carelessly and legally carry a gun.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:07 am
    Mister Barkley says something straightforward for once! Huzzah!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:08 am
    Believe I linked to this within an earlier GZ post.
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    DinVen Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:09 am
    A black man who agrees with the verdict. Proves everything. The whole thing is OK now. Stand your ground is a civilized law that makes complete sense in the 21st century, as long as we keep behaving like barbarians who enjoy hunting and killing humans.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:23 am
    SmagBoy1 actually has a point. I guess even a stopped clock is right every once in a while.

    Problem is, in this case, it`s impossible to prove whether the eventual aggressor (Martin) was truly fearful of bodily harm just from a person, who was about 3 inches shorter than him and was not brandishing a weapon other than a cell phone, looking at him. What is known is that the victim (Zimmerman) headed back to his car and was walking away from Martin when Martin confronted him, so any possible perceived threat was ended.

    A normal response would have been to disable the pursuer and then run away, but instead, Martin punched Zimmerman and then savagely beat him, possibly intending to kill him. At that point, Martin was the aggressor and Z. was the victim. The rest is history.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:23 am
    I have been told by a Lib-tard that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a minority to be racist, and IMPOSSIBLE for a majority to experience racism.
  9. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:32 am
    AvatarJohn: Zimmerman was headed back to his car. That`s a known? Yeah, my ass. That`s known with about as much certainty as what was going through Martin`s mind when being pursued. We`ll never know because the only witness still alive to tell us about the entire encounter is Zimmerman.

    TruTenrMan: whoever told you that is absolutely correct in countries where the racial majority holds institutional power. Racism and bias are not the same thing. Racism requires institutional power that racial minorities don`t have in this country. It`s not true, however, in countries where minorities have the institutional power (like South Africa, etc.). Racism always lies with those in power. Power is required for the inherent threat behind racism.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:44 am
    It`s pretty sad when a former basletball player has more sense than the President of the US and the attorney general amongst others.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:45 am

    "Charles Barkley Has Intelligent Things To Say."
    Unlike most of us at IAB.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:46 am

    "a free man who can still carelessly and legally carry a gun."
    Makes you proud to be `murican!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:48 am
    @SmagBoy1

    What is known is your angel Trayvon was at his fathers house and then proceeded to go back from there to assault Zimmerman. His phone GPS tracking shows this along with eyewitnesses seeing tray on top of Zim. I`m sure the all a "white hispanic" devils conspiricy to you though...
  14. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:53 am
    McGovern1981, I`ve never said that Zimmerman is a devil. I`m not even saying race played a significant role. Nor am I saying that Zimmerman went out with the intent to assault Martin, or that Martin was an angel. That`s typical conservative black and white thinking. I see a lot of gray. I see a lot of blame to go around. I see a lot of issues at work here. But, too, I think that if you start a situation, that if you exacerbate it, and then find yourself on the bad end of it, you *shouldn`t* have a right to end it by killing someone. As for GPS and witness who saw what happened prior to the shooting, that`s bull and you know it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:53 am
    TruTenrMan: whoever told you that is absolutely correct in countries where the racial majority holds institutional power. Racism and bias are not the same thing. Racism requires institutional power that racial minorities don`t have in this country. It`s not true, however, in countries where minorities have the institutional power (like South Africa, etc.). Racism always lies with those in power. Power is required for the inherent threat behind racism.

    ROFL!!! I`m gonna go out on a limb and guess you`re black.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Definition of RACISM
    1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2: racial prejudice or discrimination

    Websters

    RACISM does not follow your ridiculous stipulations that`s an excuse to justify the black communities hypocrisy.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 9:59 am
    ROFL!!! I`m gonna go out on a limb and guess you`re black.

    Nope. Lily white. I just acknowledge cultural and historical reality.

    As for the rest, the GPS, and people seeing anything prior to the shot, that`s all wrong or grossly exaggerated. I`m pretty sure you know that. Anyhow, like I say, I accept the verdict. I don`t like it, I think it`s wrong, but I accept it. Juries are sometimes wrong. See O.J. Simpson, for example.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:02 am
    You have a reading problem. My definition matches yours exactly. If you want to practice racism, definition #2, you have to have power. Without power, your prejudice or discrimination is worthless and no one pays it any attention. It only matters when it has weight, when it can actually negatively affect. A word isn`t racist. Actions are.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:03 am
    As for the rest, the GPS, and people seeing anything prior to the shot, that`s all wrong or grossly exaggerated. I`m pretty sure you know that.

    Which is why is was thrown out with the other evidence... oh ya no it wasn`t it was evidence.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:04 am
    @SmagBoy1

    It in no way states a single thing about power.
  21. Profile photo of HumanAction
    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:06 am
    That whole altercation could have been avoided had Zimmerman not tried to play hero that night.
    Hindsight is the evidence of fools. If Zimmerman hadn`t observed Martin and Martin then went on to attack, rape, or kill someone, we`d be saying "if only Zimmerman would have followed."

    It is far to convenient to look back and play the "could`ve, would`ve, should`ve" game. The only intellectually honest thing we can do is look back and ask, was the action legal or illegal?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:10 am

    "That`s typical conservative black and white thinking"
    Check your LIBERAL msnbc to find out who`s pushing those "typical conservative black and white" issues.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:20 am
    SmagBoy. Come on dude.

    Zimmerman had every right to run up to Martin and ask him why he was there. Martin had the right to tell him to piss off, and then go home too.

    The problem started when Trayvon decided on himself, to double back, and follow Zimmerman, hide in some bushes, discard the slim jim tool he was carrying, and jump Zimmerman from behind.
  24. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:31 am
    Gerry, I don`t subscribe to MSNBC`s views any more than I do FOXNews`.

    auburnjunky, you`re right! Zimmerman did have every right to ask Martin why he was there. However, when he hopped out of his vehicle and started following him and grabbed him by the shoulder, he crossed the line. You might say that didn`t happen. Okay, well, we don`t know it didn`t happen any more or less than what Zimm says happened.

    Regardless, you had two dudes out there, one armed, one not. Neither breaking the law. Then, all of the sudden, the unarmed one is dead and the armed one, the one who started the whole chain of events, is alive. I`d say he`s guilty of carlessness. I`d say, like B37, he started something that got out of control. I`d say you shouldn`t be allowed to walk free with NO punishment after starting the circumstances that end with an unarmed teen dead. But, that said, I do accept the verdict. I just don`t think it`s right.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:36 am
    "and grabbed him by the shoulder,"

    D`OH!
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:44 am
    when you do racial profiling and you are right that black person is a criminal, is it racial profiling? Think about it
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:24 am
    @SmagBoy1
    Good thing everyone doesn`t see it as "one armed, one not. Neither breaking the law. Then, all of the sudden, the unarmed one is dead and the armed one, the one who started the whole chain of events, is alive."
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    misfit77 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:25 am
    how many tangents did I just witness?
  29. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Tupinambis, I was being a bit facetious. After all, isn`t that what all of the Zimmerman supporters want us to do? Ignore all of the stuff that happened prior, and just focus on the moment in time where Martin turned on him and began beating Zimmerman, to the point that, even though his injuries didn`t even require medical attention (at all) he was justified in shooting and killing Martin (who, was, in fact, unarmed)? I mean, what`s good for the goose, right?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:40 am
    the one who started the whole chain of events
    Brilliant. Pick a completely arbitrary point along the infinite sequence of events and assume that it is wholly responsible for a specific outcome.

    Here are some other points along the line that ultimately led to Martins death:

    1. If his parents never had sex, he would have never been born, and could never have been killed (Parents Fault);
    2. If he had never been suspended, he would not have been there, and would not have been killed (Martin`s fault);
    3. If humans never existed, he wouldn`t have been killed (God`s fault?);
    4. If he hadn`t gone to the gas station, he wouldn`t have been killed (Martin`s fault);
    5. If the dad`s girlfriend never dated the dad, then Martin wouldn`t be there, and wouldn`t have been killed (Girlfriends fault).

    I love picking random points in time and saying, yep, this is where it all started.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:45 am
    After all, isn`t that what all of the Zimmerman supporters want us to do?
    No - you`re simply confused. I`ll explain:

    You are picking an arbitrary action along an entire sequence of events because it violates your own subjective moral code, and then suggesting that it is wholly responsible for a specific outcome.

    We are saying that such hindsight is completely useless and is open to bias since it is based on a subjective moral code.

    Rather, the only reasonable, unbiased way to look back and assign blame is to find the point where we ventured from a legal situation to an illegal situation. There is no subjectivity involved and thus, cannot be personally biased.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:46 am
    even though his injuries didn`t even require medical attention (at all) he was justified in shooting and killing Martin

    If he didn`t require medical attention why sre therer medical reports verfiying he had a broken nose, black eyes and laceration on the back of his head. Oh ya cause he went to see a doctor....
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 11:56 am
    McGovern1981, no. Do your research. His "injuries" were looked at at the scene and determined to not require attention other than a baby wipe.

    Human Action, you keep using the word arbitrary. You may want to look that up. I`ve already posted here about the legal definition of assault, and how Zimm could easily have met it. It`s entirely logical to judge their interactions from the moment they crossed each other`s paths. That is, after all, how we would judge Zimmerman`s actions if we were considering manslaughter. It`s the totality of the interaction, not some arbitrary moment in time like you`re trying to enforce. Your version requires pre-judgment of contested evidence and testimony. Mine does not.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    @Smag

    Since you`re insisting:

    1. arbitrary: Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

    Pay attention to the "personal whim" part specifically. Where you assume that Zimmerman followed Martin and that said point initiated the sequence of events leading to Martin`s death is where your "personal whim" makes the point in time arbitrary.

    As for the assault, you did not explain it at all and you did not post a link to it. AvatarJohn posted it, and under no circumstances does Zimmerman`s actions meet the requirements. If you think otherwise, then you have made an assumption about Zimmerman`s intentions - something I`ve seen you repeatedly argue against when done to Martin. Don`t be a hypocrite.

    Also, the first interaction was when Martin fled the scene. Thus, by your requirements, Martin initiated the sequence of events leading to his death.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    How can it be personal whim when I say "the beginning of their interactions"? Which lasted all of about four minutes? How difficult is it to define the beginning? Whatever, HumanAction. Ultimately I`m just bitching. I accept the verdict. It is what it is. And, I guess if someone gets themselves into a fight and finds themselves losing and shoots and kills his opponent, we`ll have this discussion again. For me, this just isn`t a cut and dry case. There are tons of variables and I just can`t see ALL of them coming down for George Zimmerman like you can. But, like I say, you win, Brother. The jury sides with Zimmerman, that`s the law, my bitching and whining is pointless. I`ll stop now.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    Smag:

    Everything Zimmerman did, up to the point where Martin jumped him, was legal and within Martin`s civil and human rights.

    It was the singular point of time where Martin connected a punch with Zimmerman that the altercation began. The court saw it that way, and so did we.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    Actually if you did some research you`d see the medical report used verfied he had a broken nose. Ever have a broken nose it`s not that minor.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    @Smag

    How can it be personal whim when I say "the beginning of their interactions"?
    Because you are defining - arbitrarily - when their interaction began. If you listen to the dispatchers tape, you`ll find that Zimmerman was only observing Martin from his truck. Then, Martin turned back and advanced at him even taking time to stand at stare at Zimmerman, before ultimately heading down a side path.

    As easily as you say that Zimmerman shouldn`t have briefly followed down that path, I can say that Martin should not have turned around beforehand. Therefore, since we cannot actually define a certain point in time where the interactions began (as least, via your requirements), the point you`ve chosen is your personal whim.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Smag:

    Everything Zimmerman did, up to the point where Martin jumped him, was legal and within Martin`s civil and human rights.

    It was the singular point of time where Martin connected a punch with Zimmerman that the altercation began. The court saw it that way, and so did we.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    someone gets themselves into a fight and finds themselves losing and shoots and kills his opponent
    There you go again! You are making an assumption that Zimmerman initiated the violence. Yet, when others here make the same assumption about Martin, you chastise them. That is hypocritical.

    There are tons of variables and I just can`t see ALL of them coming down for George Zimmerman like you can
    I never said this. I merely pointed out that the logic you are using is faulty due to its bias. The difference then, is that I want someone to try and prove Zimmerman guilty, and you want Zimmerman to prove he`s innocent.

    I, for one, assume everyone is innocent to begin with. Once the evidence becomes compelling that they are guilty, then I will agree that they are guilty.
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    July 19, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    I liked Barkley before. Now I have a whole new level of respect for the man.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    HumanAction, I said I was done, but I want to address this. Look, I *don`t* want to prove Zimmerman guilty. Matter of fact, I`ve tried to make great pains to say that I accept the verdict. And, further, I`ve said many times on here (and am usually slammed for it) that I would rather ten guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail.

    Further still, I don`t want Zimmerman`s head on a platter. I would NEVER convict him of 2nd Degree Murder. There`s not enough evidence (and even if there was video and he grabbed Martin`s shoulder, for example, it doesn`t seem like what he did, even with that, meets the 2nd Degree standard.

    But, I do think that Martin was unarmed and that Zimmerman contributed to the escalation of the situation between the two. As such, I believe he`s responsible for *something*. I don`t know what. I`m not a lawyer. But I don`t think he should get to walk free, armed again, without even a slap. But I DO accept the verdict!
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    @Smag

    I know what you`re saying, but what you`re saying is unreasonable. You are literally saying that, despite you being unable to state the specific reasons that Zimmerman should be punished, you want him punished anyway.

    You are advocating punishing someone simply because he was part of a bad situation; that`s completely absurd.

    If I saw someone in my neighborhood looking into vehicles who I`ve never seen before, at night, in the pouring rain, and concealed, I would keep an eye on them. If this hypothetical man then came after me with potentially lethal force, I would - and should - have every right to defend myself with lethal force.

    By your logic, I should then be punished - not because there is a specific action I took that was "wrong" - but because I was merely involved in a bad situation.

    It`s absurd. Hindsight is 20/20.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2013 at 7:14 pm
    @SmagBoy1, the way I see it, they BOTH contributed to the escalation of the incident. But, how much? And within what legality?

    To me, Martin was the bigger culprit (turning back, and physically attacking).
    To you, Zimmerman was the bigger culprit.

    Within the realms of legality, though Zimmerman could`ve been a bit more discreet, he did nothing wrong and was completely within the law. (Maybe he did put a hand on Martin, in which case, would`ve been outside the realms, but there is no evidence suggesting this, and thus must be found not guilty).
    However, we know that Martin physically attacked Zimmerman, and was not within the law (as again, there is no evidence to suggest that Z attacked first).
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 19, 2013 at 7:43 pm


    "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago," Barrack Obama, Today
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 19, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    Without power, your prejudice or discrimination is worthless and no one pays it any attention.
    Hey, Smegma boy, you know what would really be fun? To sucker punch you and break your nose, then jump on you, punch your face, beat your head against a concrete sidewalk, and try to suffocate you till you pay attention and admit that I have power over you.
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    skogsgud Male 40-49
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    August 11, 2014 at 6:28 am
    People that annoys you...

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