Brake Checking Motorcycle Rider Gets Rammed By Car

Submitted by: SweepOfDeath 3 years ago in Weird

Act like a douche and you will be treated like a douche. Got what he deserved.
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Male 10,339
Kree is right. I don`t know why the biker motioned to the car though.
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Male 5,824
Folks, take a look at kree`s comment of July 16 5:53 PM, then look at the video a few more times. I think he`s spotted something we all missed.
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Male 2,850
@OldOllie

"Try proving someone did that to you in court."

That`s why I`m equipped with a camera, Russian Youtube style :)

At the time of my accident, I didn`t have a camera. But there were a ton of witnesses, and the police got plenty of statements. I was lucky.
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Male 15,832
[quote] If you overtake and then slow down in front of them, that`s cutting someone off, and puts you at fault.[/quote]
Try proving someone did that to you in court. When the cop shows up and sees a read-end collision, he doesn`t even ask; he writes the ticket for the guy in the back. If you take it to court, all you`ll get is the bum`s rush to the cash register. Then you have to eat the deductible on your car (or the whole damned bill if you don`t carry collision), and you`ll get boned up the @$$ on your insurance rates for the next 2 years. (In my case, the insurance company got ALL their damned money back.)
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Male 2,675
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ... *gasps for air* ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

... and the nonchalant ... "check my bumper first" ... was the icing on the cake.

I don`t care what the car driver did - you don`t pull your bike in front of a car and slam on your brakes anymore than you pull your car in front of a semi or a train and slam on your brakes. You`re going to lose and lose huge. Cyclist was a drating idiot and the inevitable happened.

What pisses me off is in the US there are always pushes for "START SEEING MOTORCYCLES" and most, not all, motorcycle riders around here are blatant drattard morons. I`m within 3 degrees of separation of no less than 5 bikers that are crippled or are vegetables because of bike accidents and every single one of them ... it was their fault, not the car driver (or in one case, the semi, and in another case, a tractor).
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Male 5,824
If correct, it means someone publicly posted evidence of the driver`s guilt.
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Male 58
sweepofdeath i usually agree with you but i have to disagree with you here. solely because you have no idea what happened before the camera came on.
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Male 5,824
Kind of explains the driver`s nonchalance at the end, too, doesn`t it?
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Male 5,824
Holy Sh*t!
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Male 1,154
I`ve been timing the distance between reflectors on the oh poo barrier, but I can`t get the drivers speed figured out because I forgot what the distance between them is supposed to be.

But doing this has left me confused, the video is very quick so it is hard to tell, but I don`t think the biker brake checked the car. I think the distance closed because the driver slammed on the gas. the motorcycle went to overtake, the driver said drat this and went onto the shoulder to pass the motorcycle, the cycle said no way, and speed up. It then looks like the motorcycle slows down causing the collision, but if you look at the things around the side of the road, they do not slow down, they speed up.
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Male 5,824
Still think something must have happened earlier that pissed off the guy on the bike. His actions were just way too stupidly dangerous for this to be a spontaneous episode, rather than one caused by anger.
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Male 5,824
Good point, greenbasterd. Of course that would make him even stupider since he should then have known that the driver couldn`t tell he was suddenly slowing as quickly as he would have if the brake lights went on.
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Male 2,376
his brake lights could have been working.. he was prolly just in a low gear gear so when he let off the throttle he slowed down fast.
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Male 5,824
sparki1980,
I don`t agree. The biker pulled into the left lane when he had a wide open lane in front of him. He pulled in too close to the car, then hit his brakes without working brake lights. He had no need to pull into the lane since he wasn`t passing anyone. His brake light wasn`t working so he shouldn`t have been on the road to start with, except to bring it in for service. Also, if he just likes riding in the left lane, he could easily have moved over BEHIND the car that was going faster than he wanted to go.
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Male 1,216
What the drat was he expecting?
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Male 2,850
@MeGrendel

PS: I was doing 30mph in a 30mph limit.
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Male 2,850
@MeGrendel

"No, that just means you`re using too much front wheel brake."

In my flip, I was applying the normal ratio of front/back braking, but just a LOT harder.

What were my options?

Reduce front brake and keep back the same or more: end up wobbling, skidding...and hit the car.

Reduce both front and back brake to keep the same braking ratio and avoid the flip: not stop in time and hit the car.

I was in a no-win situation: he overtook and slammed on his brakes in front of me, in one single action, all too quick for me to do anything other than emergency brake.

Normally, you maintain enough space in front of you to avoid having to brake too hard, to avoid having to flip. This option was not there for me. My stopping distance was stolen from me by a dangerous driver.

So that is what I was saying: sometimes...SOMETIMES...it IS a choice of flip or hit.
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Male 7,758
Musuko42-"Bikes flip over if you brake too hard."

No, that just means you`re using too much front wheel brake.
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Male 2,850
@sparki1980

Ah, I imagine the difference stems from how lane discipline works in our different countries.

Here, you are expected to stay in the outermost lane (rightmost for you, leftmost for us), unless you are passing another vehicle, which you are only allowed to do on the right (left for you).

If you are passing/overtaking another vehicle, then the responsibility of performing the maneuver safely is yours. If you cause the vehicle you are overtaking to have to slow down to maintain a safe stopping distance, then you have not overtaken safely.

The driver SHOULD have reacted to that dangerous situation by increasing that distance again, but the dangerous situation was created in the first place by the biker.

Also, I imagine slowing down in front of someone without cause is a violation in its own right. "Driving without due care and attention", probably.
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Male 329
@Musuko42

Over here there is thing called "ownership" of a lane (or something to that affect). If you are legally changing lanes and have taken gotten most of the way into it, you are now owning it and anyone that was previously in that lane but behind you has to yield it to you and can`t just push up on you because they were there first. If say you switch lanes and slow down, since they have already yeilded you the lane it is their responsibility to try and avoid hitting you and they must slow down with you. In this case the bike has been in that lane a good amount of time, the car has to try to avoid any potential accident. The car has the ability to just back off, and go to the other lane to avoid dealing with the douche.. instead he chose to continue to go forward and failed to slow down in time.
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Male 2,850
@REV666

"its common knowledge that bikes can stop way faster than cars"

Then that common knowledge is wrong. Bikes flip over if you brake too hard. Cars can slam on anchors. Bikes often have to make a choice: flip, or hit. Sometimes simply stopping isn`t an option.

Source: Personal experience. The guy that cut me off and slammed on his brakes in front of me was in a car...I was on a motorcycle. I had to emergency brake at 30mph, and that flipped the bike (Honda CBR 600F3) and put me on the ground. Thank god for ATGATT.
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Male 2,850
@sparki1980

"Rear end collision is always seen as the rear car`s fault"

Untrue. If you overtake and then slow down in front of them, that`s cutting someone off, and puts you at fault. At least, in the UK that`s the case.

Source: personal experience, where the driver that did that to me got convicted of dangerous driving, banned for a year, and probably had some hefty increases in his premiums after his insurance paid out four-figure compensation to me.
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Male 4,594
Let`s check the score:

Cars = 1
Motorcycles = 0

Same score as always.
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Male 267
Car should have pulled over after overtaking, thats why the bike had to undertake.

Bit stupid to brake check a car though lol.
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Male 7,758
edana42-" I dont want anyone to kill me or me kill anyone else"

Sorry, if the biker had been killed, it would have been `suicide by stupidity`.

You don`t want to get killed? Don`t stop your moped in front of a Cadillac doing 70.

In this case, the biker is responsible for his own injuries and/or death.
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Male 14,334
Don`t bring a bike to a car fight.
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Female 1,467
Wonder if it really wasn`t a road rage thing and the car driver was getting their phone off the ground or something. Why do it the second time when you didn`t the first.
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Male 88
Two things are in the wrong in this clip: First, being the driver who seems to be barreling down the highway, passing all the other cars at break-neck speed.

Second, the biker employed brake-check on a speeder which is also an idiotic/douche move. No surprise the speeder intentionally hit that biker & stopped. Most drivers would be concerned with getting any chip or dents on their cars as it leads to unnnecessary expenses.
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Male 13,624
Kinda guessed if you wanna brake check, make sure there is feck all in you line O sight
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Female 2,509
"So one is free to do what one wants while the other is held to another standard? "

It`s merely an interesting bias that I dont want anyone to kill me or me kill anyone else - regardless if they are an asshat or not.
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Male 15,832
That was sublime. I love how he gets out and checks his car first.

[quote]I don`t understand why he brake-checked the guy in the first place. [/quote]
Actually, the guy in the car was being a dick and hogging the left lane. He should have gotten over after he passed that last car.

That being said, the douchebag biker just learned the hard way you don`t "punch up" 2500 lbs.
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Male 1,448
....and the Stupid Shall be Punished.
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Male 315
Why the hell would you break check when your vehicle is significantly smaller?
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Male 199
Good thing he has video of that. You can`t brake check people, just because you thing that if a person hits you from behind it`s that persons fault. Brake checking is impeding traffic.
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Male 187
I don`t understand why he brake-checked the guy in the first place. Regardless, biker was an idiot. I wish him no serious harm, but hopefully a nice case of road rash will teach him not to do completely idiotic stuff like this again.
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Male 441
MeGrendel is 100% right. The biker was being a total unpredictable dick. He didn`t have break lights installed, so how can you drating break check a car like that without thinking you`re going to be hit.
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Male 5,824
"Was there a prior altercation??
Regardless, a real dumb thing to do."

I was wondering the same. Looked like the guy on the bike was REacting like an idiot, not just acting like one. I hope he`ll use more sense next time.
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Male 7,758
edana42-"I cant control anyones actions but my own.... "

And yet you can dictate that one is a `dick` for following a set of rules you put forth, but give the one who actually ignored said rules a pass.

You would deem that `cars shouldn`t mess around with 18 wheelers and motorcycles`, because one is bigger and one is smaller, and yet you do not hold the motorcycle to the same rules (motorcycles shouldn`t mess around with cars and 18 wheeeler, as they both can kill you).

So one is free to do what one wants while the other is held to another standard?

Interesting bias.
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Male 1,341
I`m guessing that the guy on the bike became upset when the car remained in the fast lane even after passing cars on the right. I`ve seen people get unreasonably pissed for this exact thing.
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Female 2,509
"And yet your not holding the bike rider to the same rule?"

I cant control anyones actions but my own....
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Female 283
it really pisses me off that someone would put themselves, and everyone else in danger, just so they can feel an adrenaline rush, and look cool..go skydive, or bungee jump or something. For transportation purposes,use some common sense and get a drating car!!
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Male 7,758
sparki1980-"Rear end collision is always seen as the rear car`s fault"

Sorry, that is not a legal precedent.

talon0325-"there is another dochebag driving the car and more concerned with the damage to his car than what may have happened to the bike rider "

The bike rider already proved to be a person really not worth being concerned about.

edana42-"Two things cars shouldn`t mess around with - 18 wheelers and motorcycles."

And yet your not holding the bike rider to the same rule? Strange.

Most sane people would realize if you`re riding a 400lb two-wheeler, it`s not a good idea slam on breaks in front of a cage that weighs 5,000lbs.

Rule of thumb: If you get in a dick swinging contest, try and make sure you have the bigger dick.

The only problem with this incident is that the biker will probably be riding again soon.
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Female 2,509
I`m sorry - the driver was the dick here! Two things cars shouldn`t mess around with - 18 wheelers and motorcycles. One kills you the you kill - just not worth it dude
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Male 2,097
Was there a prior altercation??
Regardless, a real dumb thing to do.
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Female 7,867
I find it quite difficult to see when the road is the other way round, but that biker must be nuts- why would you risk that. I know a lot of bikers- and a lot of them have had accidents when they came off badly, usually because the driver did not see them- so why would a biker court an accident.
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Male 7,123
The driver wasn`t tail-gating, the biker overtook and then slowed down. Brake-checking is stupid as well as against the law (in UK at least).

Where I live the legal limit is 70, but when conditions are good I`ll likely be doing 80 in the outside lane (on my straight four-lane usual commute) while heavy traffic on the inside lane is doing around 50.

If some wanker who wants to do 90 is tail-gating me I just gradually slow down until he gets the message that my speed decreases the closer he gets.
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Male 4,893

[quote] that driver would have been torn a new one, rear end = your fault, unless you have a very very good reason [/quote]

That is a good rule of thumb, assuming the other car was in front of you the whole time. It doesn`t apply if someone cuts you off and slams on the brakes.
It`s also a common form of insurance fraud because it`s hard for the person in back to prove without a dash-cam. Swoop in front of someone, slam the breaks, get new car. Though, I don`t think that is what the biker was trying to do.
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Male 2,552
Wait, wait, wait... he pulls in front of someone and THEN brake-checks?! What tha?! You only brake-check if someone comes up behind you and rides your ass.
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Male 550
Over here in europe the left lanes are passing lanes only. You have to move to the right lane when not passing a car. You are under almost no circumstances allowed to pass a vehicle on the right side.
Only exceptions for above rule are when both lanes are filled up and the right lane is moving faster.
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Male 5,081
Put me in that car and i assure you that brake pedal will remain untouched.
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Male 3,612
every motorcycle accident I have seen with my own eyes has been bikers DumbASS fault.
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Male 14,835
He should try that with a truck.
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Male 3,909
"Bigger idiot is the car driver for posting this video. Rear end collision is always seen as the rear car`s fault.. even if the bike is being an asshat."

Actually, this video is pretty much rock solid proof that the guy on the bike caused the accident. Once the judge sees this video I guarantee he`ll rule in favor of the guy in the car.
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Male 14,334
[quote]But do you think the car driver should get off on this?[/quote]

Probably did us all a favor crotch rockets and douchebags go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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Male 10,339
The guy is the car should be found not at fault, and the bike driver should go to jail, once he recovers.
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Male 3,061
That`s how Ruff Ryders roll
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Male 2,419
that driver would have been torn a new one, rear end = your fault, unless you have a very very good reason. and to top it off you have it on video, with the guy actualy signaling to you.
(not that i don`t think the biker is a dickhead)
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Male 10,339
"Rear end collision is always seen as the rear car`s fault"

Unless the driver in front is shown to be negligent through video or eyewitness account.

Bike driver is screwed.
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Male 4,893

Good thing he had a dash cam. Now there is no doubt that the bike caused the entire mess.

Yes, the car driver should get off without any trouble. Who cares if he looked at the front of his car before helping the douche who caused the problems.
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Male 3,842
Why did the motorcyclist pass on the right and then slam on his brakes? That was stupid of him. You`re supposed to accelerate when you pass.
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Male 180
And yet the driver of the vehicle that hit him will be to blame.
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Male 382
Look , there is another dochebag driving the car and more concerned with the damage to his car than what may have happened to the bike rider he has injured. Yeah the biker was an arse, and he got what he should have for his move. But do you think the car driver should get off on this?
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Male 11,740
My only regret is that I wasn`t driving that car.
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Male 14,334
Trying to boss a car around on a bike how`d that work out for ya?
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Male 191
as a biker (not a dbag crotch rocket rider tho, nor a harley fag) i have to say he got what he deserved. its common knowledge that bikes can stop way faster than cars so all the car driver has to do is claim road rage and the inability to stop in time due to the bikers actions. win/win.
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Male 5,824
I think that`s about right. Motorcyclist was an idiot and got hurt because of it.
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Male 329
Bigger idiot is the car driver for posting this video. Rear end collision is always seen as the rear car`s fault.. even if the bike is being an asshat.
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Male 7,123
Why would you do that?
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Male 168
Would love to see what his insurance claim reads. "Well I was acting like a total dumbass..."
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Female 1,540
What an idiot!
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Male 938
Link: Brake Checking Motorcycle Rider Gets Rammed By Car [Rate Link] - Act like a douche and you will be treated like a douche. Got what he deserved.
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