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Date: 07/20/13 06:20 PM

106 Responses to Afterburner: The Lynching

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    Link: Afterburner: The Lynching - Bill Whittle lays out the facts involved in the Zimmerman trial. Facts!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Before watching this I just want to point out that the pro-Trayvon crowd do not want the issue complicated by facts.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Now I`ve watched it. I followed the trial closely so not much I didn`t know. The liver damage was new to me.

    Now someone is going to post "GZ never should have followed him" as if that sweeps all the facts away.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 7:05 pm
    These are FACTS. People should educate themselves with these pesky little things rather than listening to the liberal media, solely.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    I dunno. Some of this info I agree with; some of it seems over-the-top. Case in point: I hadn`t heard of "lean" before this and was really interested. So I Googled lean recipes and every one that I saw called for Sprite soda as the base (not Arizona Watermelon [email protected]) and Jolly Rancher candies for flavoring (not Skittles). But the narrator here presents Arizona Watermelon [email protected] and Skittles as two-thirds of the "official" lean recipe, which clearly they aren`t. This makes me suspect he`s putting a fair amount of spin on other material in his report as well.

    Don`t get me wrong. I have no doubt that Trayvon Martin was involved in some shady things and it appears he was a thug-in-training. But I don`t trust the judgment of this video`s narrator, either.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Squrlz, we know it was Skittle/Watermelon LEAN because Trayvon Martin talked about that recipe on his Facebook page.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    I don`t think this information will come as a surprise to most of the IAB crowd. The whole trial smelled of a politically-driven farce from the beginning. I just wish this Bill Whittle piece could and would be widely broadcast to, hopefully, make a few people open their eyes.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:28 pm
    @ Gerry: Squrlz, we know it was Skittle/Watermelon LEAN because Trayvon Martin talked about that recipe on his Facebook page.
    Did he? The only recipe I see on Martin`s Facebook page is a reference to "robitussin and soda"--no mention of any kind of any Arizona drink or Skittles.

    Am I missing something?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:42 pm
    @ 5Cats: Sorry, you big pussy, but you`re BUSTED: You`re an alcoholic. I saw you on a surveillance video leaving a convenience store with a bottle of Coca-Cola and a bag of ice. And we all know that`s two-thirds of the ingredients for a Rum & Coke.

    hee hee hee =^.^=
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    To all those who avoid this post because it came from 5cats...at least listen to the last minute and a half. Race was brought into this by the media, and certain members of the black community who cry racism, not realizing they are the ones making it so.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:48 pm
    Is Zimmerman white or Hispanic? Media make up your minds.
  12. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    Yes, the facts! Those little details the "pro-Trayvon" side couldn`t care less about.

    When Bill does offer an "opinion"? He CALLS it an opinion! How unlike, oh, EVERY "pro-Travonite" ever? Including Obama.

    @Squrlz4: In one of TV`s pages, he asks about getting bulk cough syrup and someone tells him the Watermelon + Skittles + Robitussin recipe, or links it. TM is warned that `stuff will mess you up` and he replies "I like it like that`.
    (Obviously I`m paraphrasing, eh?)

    Anyhow, there`s various ingredients for various places & groups. But the skittles one is quite widespread & goes specifically with Arizona (Brand) Watermelon Drink (which is what TM had, NOT "Ice Tea")
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:53 pm
    Drug use, aggression, burglary, bad attitude? If Americans killed all the people guilty of this, it would be racial genocide.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    @ 5Cats: Well, if there`s a reference to Skittles and lean or Arizona Watermelon [email protected] and lean somewhere on Martin`s Facebook page--or in any of his texts--could you provide a link?

    I`m not trying to be difficult, but as it is, I consider the "Skittles and Arizona [email protected] were intended for drug abuse" theory a stretch. If Martin made an actual reference to both or either and lean, however, I might be persuaded to think there`s something to it.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    5cats post, guessed from description alone? Yep, still batting at 100% after all these years...
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    I`ve done this stuff. I`ve smoked weed just like this kid.

    You know what I never did, which seems to be forgotten on this character attack is that unlike Trevon or myself. Zimmerman already had a significant record for

    Domestic Abuse and Battery on an officer. Now, I know people will say he was never found guilty... same as in this killing.

    I guess the rule is you can do what ever you want, but if you`re not found guilty then you didn`t do anything.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    @ 5Cats: Sorry, you big pussy, but you`re BUSTED:

    @Squrlz4: Alas! I have no rum! In fact I`m kinda low on booze... better for me to NOT drink, eh? Anyhow, I prefer rum & eggnog :-)

    @turdy: Sadly, there are many who look for my name & click "1" without even glancing at the content. Political, humour, all of it. Sad, eh?

    Anyhow: Bill really "lets loose" in this video! He has a lot to say and gets it out with humour AND facts! And like he says: ALL this information was available to the "MSM Journalists" but they refused to use it.
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    Well yea it was a political farce they had to push the no lawsuit for pharmaceutical companies and needed some cover.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    @Squirrl, this is part of the propaganda. He`s a kids, he`s black and this culture loves to over dramatize when a black kid smokes weed and tries other drugs, while people like me are just "experimenting"

    Fact is I`ve made this stuff a ton and I`ve mentioned this to 5cats in the past that this is 100% the WRONG way to make it.

    None of the items used to make them share any characteristics other than have some opiate base and sugar.

    That`s like saying there`s no difference between at .22 and a shotgun.

    Totally different.

    For the record, if you making this stuff and using Robotussan, then you`re selling yourself short of a great high. You really need liquid codeine.

    Unless you wanna Robo-trip then I`d recommend the Rbotussan DM, but you have to drink the whole bottle and it`s pretty nasty and stupid. I wouldn`t recommend it.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    Before people say, Travyon supporter. I just want to say that I think he shot him out fear for his life that he (george) stupidly put himself in.

    With that, all is fair in love and war, though if it wasn`t for that stupid law he would be/should be in jail for manslaughter.

    Here`s what`s disgusting, this information posted by very propagandized Internet talking head bullcrap show is done not to present facts. No, it`s done for advertising and site views.

    They`re just sensationalizing a horrible mistake that people can`t seem to let go off. They don`t care for either of them and it shows in their and other "media" outlets who keep trying to dig. Happened on Fox with Georges brother who defended Obamas recent statements and it`s happening to now to a dead kid who can`t defend his character.

    Grow up you sad internet judgers.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:07 pm
    Here`s one @Squrlz4
    Scroll a bit for "angela s" answer. "Other Ingredients".

    >>> NOTE: 6 years ago = LONG before Zimmerman & Martin, right?

    It`s essentially: Codeine (any form) + sweet drink + candy.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    Draculya-"Drug use, aggression, burglary, bad attitude? If Americans killed all the people guilty of this, it would be racial genocide"

    Sorry, but drug use, aggression, burglary, and bad attitude are not limited to one particular race.

    It WOULD, on the otherhand, increase the average intelligence level.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    I noticed that he left out Zimmerman`s violent past, like domestic violence and arrest for two counts felony assault against police officers. Lied to the court about his finances and had his bond revoked, so what else did he lie about surrounding this case?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    I thought the trial was over...
  25. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    @shamrock1014:



    M-kay?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    @WhoDat: The trial may be over for now, but the Dog & Pony Show goes on.

    I like how the "spontaneous marches" took 2 days to organize... :-)
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:05 pm
    @5cats, what`s the matter truth hurts? Can`t defend your boy Zimmerman`s past so it`s just easier to call me a troll. Weak.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    5Cats, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that liberals give a loose dry f*** about facts.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm
    OldOllie, I gave him facts about Zimmerman also, he didn`t like those though.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    Seriously 5cats are you that voided in your life that you still want to continue shaming a dead kid?

    Regardless of you may think. I personally find it ironic that you scream evidence left and right in defense of Zimmerman then in the same breath as with this video is nothing but speculative notions of behavior, history, and aggression without any proof.

    That`s something you seem to be missing.

    In a few months you`ll forget about this and focus on something stupid filling the air by talking heads that tell you that this is important to rage on while this kids parents are still missing a son from an incident that we can all agree on shouldn`t of ever happened.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    It`s ok, another Zimmerman will go on trial in a few months.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm
    It`s funny how many people were angels when they were teenagers.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:19 pm
    Here`s some other inconvenient facts:

    Distance from 7-11 to the Retreat at Twin Lakes: 0.5 mi.

    Time it takes to walk from 7-11 to the Retreat at Twin Lakes at 3 mph: 10 min.

    Time stamp on security camera when Trayvon left the 7-11: 6:24:18 PM.

    Time when George Zimmerman first called Sanford PD to report a suspicious person casing the neighborhood: 7:09:34 PM.

    7:09:34 - 6:24:18 = 0:45:16.

    Fact: Whatever Trayvon Martin was doing that night, he was definitely NOT just walking home from the 7-11.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm
    Seriously 5cats are you that voided in your life that you still want to continue shaming a dead kid?
    Seriously, peakingo, are you that full of hate in your life that you still want to continue lynching an innocent man?
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:23 pm
    @OldOllie, Those are not facts because you don`t know how fast he was walking, you`re assuming 3 mph. Is there a rule that he had to go straight home? Not allowed to be outside? You don`t know what he was doing. Way to stereotype though.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:23 pm
    @OldOllie, so, is there a rule that he had to go straight home? Not allowed to be outside?
    So, why are all the liberal politicians, media, and race hustlers lying about this?
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:26 pm
    Lying about what. Like I said, you are assuming how fast he was walking. That`s not a fact.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:27 pm
    shamrock1014, you`ve just proven my first point: you really don`t give a loose dry f*** about the truth.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:27 pm
    Fact is Zimmerman had two chances to stop and wait for the cops, once at his car and another at the mailboxes. This wannabe cop wanted to be the hero and apprehend the suspect.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:28 pm
    @oldollie, funny, why are you getting upset then? I noticed when I post facts to counter your so-called facts you have to start swearing, just like your buddy 5Cats calling me a troll. Sorry the truth hurts you so much.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:33 pm
    Zimmerman will get his comeuppance, he has a violent past, it will catch up to him one day. 5Cats and OldOllie, if you need to be schooled some more let me know. Night
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:56 pm
    you may want to re-read what I wrote.

    I agree with the verdict. There wasn`t enough proof and I believe he thought his life was in danger.

    And listen to me you old Fughk. Don`t EVER put words in my mouth especially one that`s only being used to as a pejorative in a racially tinged conversation.

    You are an a$$ Old Ollie.

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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 10:58 pm
    Also I have no hate. Other than I would of hated to be in Zimmermans position. Make one quick call and your life is ruined and you`ve ruined the life of a family who unceremoniously lost their child.
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    Twinklestein Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 11:00 pm
    This should never have been news beyond the local level. I don`t give a flying rat`s ass who was guilty. I`m just sick of the BS media shoving this crap in our faces and ignoring truly important issues.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 11:01 pm
    This is a great video. And I think most of the commenters here on IAB are missing the main point of the video. It`s not so much to go over all the facts of the trial yet again. It`s to show how there is no journalistic integrity in our main stream media. And how disgustingly racially-charged some politicians are.
    After watching it, I thought, how can anyone possibly argue against this mountain of facts. Well, seems like people just hear what they want to hear and get more entrenched in their views. It`s sad really.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2013 at 11:02 pm
    For someone screaming facts Old Ollie you just contradicted yourself.

    Here`s the fact it took him longer than it shouldve to get back home.

    That`s a fact.

    Everything else your writing is AN ASSUMPTION. Let`s deal with tangible facts and say it with me.

    WE DON`T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. Maybe he stopped to talk to a friend, maybe he was smelling the goddamn flowers blooming, maybe he was checking out some chick that was undressing in the window. Maybe he was jerking it. Maybe he was thinking of robbing an apartment.

    Fact is you don`t know why it took him any longer to get home, you`re assuming in an argument rooting in the loss of facts throughout this entire ordeal.

    You do realize you`re being a hypocrite and that you`re looking like a moron.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2013 at 11:39 pm
    You do realize you`re being a hypocrite and that you`re looking like a moron.

    No, but thanks for asking.

    The most important fact is, there are literally DOZENS of facts that were excluded from the trial and have been censored by the liberal media that, taken all together, prove that TM was a violent criminal thug who brought his own death on himself.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:23 am
    The ONLY pertinent fact is that an unarmed kid was shot by a creepy dude who was stalking him.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:25 am
    Fact: TM was in possession of a slim jim (thieves tool or lock smith tool, TM was no lock smith).

    Fact: GZ mentioned to 911 operator there had been break-ins lately and was witnessing a person displaying suspicious activity.

    Fact: GZ committed no crimes during this encounter. TM committed assault, with intent to ...?
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:26 am
    That is just dumb. What fact is there that he was a thug?

    Was he ever arrested for domestic abuse?

    Was he ever arrested for assaulting a police officer?

    What was travon arrested for? Is this based on his photos of him posing with guns and weed? Weed is essentially like beer in todays youth culture and for what it`s worth, if you`re judging him for taking a picture with a gun, please remember he was killed by one that was owned not by him, but by Zimmerman.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:30 am
    mykunter, it could be argued that he was just standing his ground when someone began following him.

    Also, he didn`t have any "tools" when he shot.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:31 am
    The ONLY pertinent fact is that an unarmed kid was shot by a creepy dude who was stalking him.

    So the FACT that TM attacked him is not pertinent?
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:35 am
    Also, he didn`t have any "tools" when he shot.
    No, it was found in the bushes. He ditched it before he ambushed GZ, like any street-smart thug would.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:36 am
    I`m out for the night and here`s my last two cents:

    None of us will ever know what happened and I agree that this kid, though a kid, wasn`t an angel. I wasn`t at his age either, though none of that translate to a justified killing.

    I think even George regrets all of his decisions and really his actions are a testament as to why armed citizens though they can be helpful to themselves sometimes, they are more times the victims of a greater failure.

    His life is ruined, this family is ruined because he thought he was a cop.

    He`s not. I feel that he was scared that this kid was going to kill him and he probably hates himself now for putting the two of them in this position.

    He failed at being a hero, admirable I guess, but never the less a failure.

    Leave it to cops, if they suck... that sucks, but your life and anyone else`s isn`t worth it.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:50 am
    Once again we are arguing about facts.

    Facts a slim jim was found near him.

    NOT ON HIM

    Fact the Defensive didn`t request finger print analyst nor did they find any reason to assume it was his.

    That`s the facts. You`re being speculative.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2013 at 12:56 am
    Jesus, are you a f*cking lawyer? Who`s f*cking slim jim was it then? Seriously?

    TM beat the sh*t out of GZ. GZ shot him in self defense. Those are the FACTS.
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    SoCal Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2013 at 1:23 am
    1 down millions to go
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2013 at 1:45 am
    The most reliable piece of information that should stand out the most to all of you :

    Martin had a full 4 minutes to go less than 70 yards.

    If he wanted to get home , he could have easily done so.. He turned around and initiated the confrontation.

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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2013 at 1:51 am
    @mykunter,

    No far from it.

    Look, the hypocrisy is obvious yet ya`ll don`t seem to notice it.

    This video focused on being neutral and factual (which it still failed at with half-truths). 5cats, OldOllie, and yourself are posting a ton non-factual statements regarding TM. What makes it worse is the language used is so insulting and horribly cold. These are real people you`re disgustingly using as a sad pawn in some insignificant internet forum fight.

    One fundamental argument I`ve been reading about pro-tm supporters is they ignore the facts and write speculative arguments.

    YET, everyone of you are doing the EXACT SAME THING.

    First you say he had it on him. Then you say it was in the bushes then you ASSUME it was his. If it`s a high crime area then the odds of it left by someone else is high.

    If there was any chance it was his, don`t you think the defense would`ve used it?
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2013 at 1:58 am
    @Nerd Rage, hey they both messed up and decided to be more involved then they needed to be.

    You become confrontation and what happens happens because you chose to put yourself in that position so no denying that.

    Though you can`t blame TM and not fault Zimmerman too. It`s both their faults.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2013 at 3:36 am
    Damn the racism is strong in this post and comment section. I thought this case had nothing to do with race? Yet the whole premise of these "facts" are just oozing with it. Nice smear campaign against an unarmed minor who`s now dead. Very nice. What`s next, Zimmerman for Senator?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2013 at 3:36 am
    Nerdrage would you go straight home if you thought a stranger was following you? I`ve been in that situation and didn`t go straight home because I didn`t want him to know where I lived. Being followed (or even thinking you are) is kind of terrifying. Confronting the person and saying "are you following me?" to exert some authority or fearlessness is not out of the realm of rational responses in my opinion. Now in this case how the fight was started and went down makes all the difference but I don`t fault TM up to that point.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2013 at 3:52 am
    I love that everyone takes as FACT that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first, that he initiated the physical confrontation. That`s not fact. At all. There`s no proof AT ALL that Martin initiated. There`s proof that indicates he had the upper hand when he was shot dead, but no proof at all that he started it. None.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 21, 2013 at 4:23 am
    Those are not facts because you don`t know how fast he was walking, you`re assuming 3 mph. Is there a rule that he had to go straight home?
    @Shamrock: Good Lord! WHO walks slower than 1 MPH? in the rain? 4 MPH is "average" and a tall, lanky TM could easily walk that fast.
    The FACT is that TM approached GZ twice: The GF testified to this under oath! That`s called "evidence" and you have exactly ZERO to say that GZ confronted TM, ever. Only conjecture.

    Seriously 5cats are you that voided in your life that you still want to continue shaming a dead kid?
    Off your "meds" again @peakingo? I`m more concerned with a living innocent man than a guilty dead one.

    What`s with the personal attack? THAT is your "opening statement"? Hate? Oy vey!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 21, 2013 at 4:38 am
    WE DON`T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.

    @peakingo: YES WE DO!!! He was talking to his "GF" on the PHONE! That`s a FACT! And NOT going home! FACT!
    NO "friends" came by to chat, wtf man? Is THAT your idea of a FACT?
    He had 70 yards to walk in 4 minutes. FACT. NO ONE was chasing him. FACT.

    Damn the racism is strong in this post and comment section.
    @SmagBoy1 - I KNOW! All these "assumptions" about people based entirely on skin colour is sickening! You Liberals ought to be ashamed!

    "Weed is essentially like beer in todays youth culture" Oh really? And 17 year olds can legally drink beer? Or do drugs? FFS...

    with half-truths

    Name a few @peakingo. Any 2 will do just fine.
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    scheckydamon Male 60-69
    707 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:11 am
    OK a tragedy took place and a kid is dead. Bottom line to everyone posting here. None of us was within miles of the event, unless you live in that part of Sanford and if you do I`m sorry. A trial was held. The state presented it`s evidence,no matter what you may think of it, and the defense rebutted it in the manner they chose to. A jury of 6 people found the evidence insufficient to convict for the charges tendered. Those are the only facts that we can go on. Supposition about other evidence and the kid`s behaviors will only prolong this and result in other people getting hurt.
    What is needed is a fair and open dialog between folks as to the problems in the black community that produced Trayvon and his contemporaries and discussion in the white community as to what we can do to not live in fear and feel a need to be armed. Don`t get me wrong, I hold a CWP and will send you home to Jesus if you mess with me or my family.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
    939 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:13 am
    Pro Trayvon , pro Zimmerman. . . you`re all missing the point. This was only a national story at all because the media wanted it that way. They grossly edited the 911 call to make it sound like Zimmerman stalked Martin and even admitted it but by then the ball was rolling in the direction they pushed it. In other words, they inflamed the passions of people on both sides but only after CREATING both sides. They found all of these facts out as well but chose not to report them because it didn`t serve their agenda. That`s not journalism. That`s sensationalism. They`re job is to report the news, not create it.
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:14 am
    Interesting comment: "Nerdrage would you go straight home if you thought a stranger was following you? I`ve been in that situation and didn`t go straight home because I didn`t want him to know where I lived. Being followed (or even thinking you are) is kind of terrifying. Confronting the person and saying "are you following me?" to exert some authority or fearlessness is not out of the realm of rational responses in my opinion." --- Problem with your comment is that TM completely lost George! He ran behind a stretch of homes whilst George was still in his truck, with no visual on where TM was! TM watched as George walked PAST him, while he was in hiding, and could have remained so as George walked PAST, and towards his truck. He (Trayvon) decided to engage. Did you forget that Trayvon stated publicly on his FB page how much he loved fighting? He wanted a rematch of a previous fight because the guy "didn`t bleed enough." Yea, sounds like a frightened little
  69. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:25 am
    "I noticed that he left out Zimmerman`s violent past, arrest for two counts felony assault against police officers."

    Uh, I noticed you failed to mention the FACT that BOTH charges were DROPPED, and the FACT that neither one involved ANY violence. Example, the most recent "Arrest" of "assault" on a Police Officer was at a bar, when a cop who was NOT IN UNIFORM put one of Zimmermans friends in a choke hold. Zimmerman, walking back into the room saw some guy assaulting his friend, merely pushed the cop off his friend. At no point did the man identify himself as a cop to Zimmerman, until pushed off - Of course, having a massive ego, the off duty cop decided to pull out his badge and arrest both at this time... All charges were later dropped once the facts came out that it was the COP who acted inappropriately, and under the influence of alcohol. But you just go ahead and keep leaving out the facts mmmmkay?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:35 am
    Oh, but Martin *was* convicted of crimes, cuthere2? Martin *was* hiding in the bushes? And you know that for a fact, how?

    I know how I`m going to vote in 2014. I know how this whole event and threads just like this one look to voters. Like ignorant intolerant racists being racists. Sure, you may think liberals and the MSM are just making everything up. That`s fine. Please keep claiming that.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36668 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 6:50 am

    "I noticed that he left out Zimmerman`s violent past, arrest for two counts felony assault against police officers"
    1: Undercover cop jumps his friend in a bar. He thinks his friend is getting mugged so he helps him out. Charges were dropped because he had no way to know that was a police officer.

    2: Bitter divorce. He and his ex-wife had mutual restraining orders filed against each other. Divorces get mean sometimes.

    Grasping at straws to make GZ a villain. Face facts. Face reality. The truth shall set you free.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6171 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 7:17 am
    Sleepyhallow-"unarmed kid"

    Unarmed =/= not dangerous

    Sleepyhallow-"stalking him"

    following =/= stalking

    peakingo-" it could be argued that he was just standing his ground when someone began following him"

    Not by any sane person. Following is not an assault or any other illegal action that requires any self-defense.

    peakingo-"he thought he was a cop"

    No, he KNEW he was on the Watch.

    scheckydamon-"What is needed is a fair and open dialog "

    NOT gonna happen as the Media and the current administration thrives off of lies and confrontation.

    SmagBoy1-"Like ignorant intolerant racists being racists. "

    Aw, don`t be so hard on Obama, Holder, Sharptong and Jackson like that. They may be intolerant and racist, but they`re not ignorant. After all, that`s how they make a living.
  73. Profile photo of CaptKangaroo
    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 8:43 am
    Here`s some facts: Zimmerman Followed Martin ignorant of ALL the facts mentioned about martin in the video. Zimmerman stated "these non-nice individuals always get away"- goes to state of mind-one can presume Zimmerman wasn`t being all warm and fuzzy, Zimmerman CHOSE to end the confrontation by firing his weapon- that`s a choice.
    Zimmerman created the circumstances that led to the confrontation, then killed Martin.
    Take all the back stories and race out of the equation, that`s what ya have.
    If the prosecution hadn`t done such a stellar job for the defense, the verdict would have been rather different.
    I`ve little doubt that a jury in any civil case brought against Zimmerman will reflect the aggravated nature of Zimmerman`s actions in Martin`s death.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 9:10 am
    Fact: Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Martin did.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 9:25 am
    CaptK: "Zimmerman created the circumstances that led to the confrontation"

    BZZZT! WRONG! Thanks for playing but you lose.

    According to Martin`s phone friend he was next to his dad`s house. At the same time GZ had lost track of him and was walking back to his truck.

    Trayvon CHOSE to confront GZ and threw the first punch. How do we know this? Because there were no other injuries to Trayvon, no bruises, no bloody nose, no abrasions (except those on his knuckles). George was the person being beat up, getting his head pounded on the concrete. There is no solid evidence to the contrary.

    GZ didn`t follow TM to confront him, he followed to see what direction he ran in. He didn`t say to the 911 Operator, "I`m going to catch this punk" or even "I`m going to search for him". There was no intent or "state of mind" to catch or confront Martin and no "aggravated nature". Martin is at fault for his own death.
  76. Profile photo of Modwain
    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 9:27 am
    it is good to see that people are steadfast in their idiocy. Wether it was trayvon or zimmermans fault doesnt really matter, the court has spoken, live with it.

    And indeed, making this a black v white story only shows how little you would know. I, for one, have never ever seen hispanic people been revered to as white.

    feel that this is to you? well, maybe it is. Feel that i should shut up? well, maybe i should. just, you see, i aint killing you over it and i assume you wont kill me over it.

    Now, bashing my or indeed, your skull against the pavement, and i or indeed you, may feel that to survive you need to take out, well, me or indeed you then i would kinda think you or indeed me, is allouwed to defend yourself or myself in any way possible.
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 10:40 am
    CaptKangaroo court, huh?
  78. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 10:44 am
    Smagboy - Looks like you`re a little confused in who you are replying to?
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    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 10:45 am
    @Smagboy: "Ignorant racists being racists" --- Nice... Another one of those individuals who cannot argue with facts, so thus pulls the almighty race card... Typical...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36668 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 10:59 am

    "Here`s some facts: Zimmerman Followed Martin ignorant of ALL the facts mentioned about martin in the video."GZ saw someone casing cars who matched the description of the people who had been breaking into homes in the area. Calls 911 and keeps an eye on him to tell the police when they arrive.

    "Zimmerman CHOSE to end the confrontation by firing his weapon- that`s a choice" When your head is being beaten against the concrete, it`s not really a well thought out decision. More of a reaction to a life threatening danger.

    "Take all the back stories and race out of the equation, that`s what ya have" You have young thug Trayvon who hid in some bushes, ambushed a guy and tried to beat him up because he assumed the guy was racist.

  81. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 11:28 am
    @CaptKangaroo:



    TWO TROLLS in one thread! I`m honored!
    Now... get back under your bridge!!!

    CaptKangaroo court, huh?
    @carmium: lolz! :-) Excellent!

    Smagboy - Looks like you`re a little confused in who you are replying to?
    @cuthere2: He occasionally is correct, by accident ;-)

    "Cut Here 2" ? or "C U There 2" ?? Inquiring cats want to know !!!
  82. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    Ignorant racists being racists

    Yep, you`re right....


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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36668 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    djwajda wins an internet.

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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    @5cats

    Are you saying that only black kids smoke weed? I hate to tell you this teenagers, adults, parents smoke weed and for what it`s worth yes teenagers smoke weed and drink illegally OH THE HORROR!!! Welcome to the real world. I wonder what would happen if I put your personal life under a microscope 5cats.

    You`re taking the following statement out of context. It was a speculative statement from Old Ollie that I was countering with the notion that we don`t know why it took him that long to walk back-he could`ve been doing anything including robbing an apt. We don`t know.

    "WE DON`T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.
    @peakingo: YES WE DO!!! He was talking to his "GF" on the PHONE! That`s a FACT! And NOT going home! FACT!"

    Lastly, here`s the 2 half truths

    1-the whole lean thing

    2-the bias reporting and speculative statements generalizing his crimes that were`t reported, yet ignoring Zimmermans situations.
  85. Profile photo of DrProfessor
    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    Can everyone in this comment section please stop pretending they have the circumstances of what happened that night down perfectly and know for certain that the guilt entirely lies on one party or the other?

    Life is not black and white. If there weren`t any ambiguities, this case wouldn`t have been half of the sensation it was. In the real world, things happen due to a broad array of motivating factors, including the actions, errors, and inactions of those involved. This is not by any means an either-or situation, and you can`t go and paint either Zimmerman or Martin as a saint.

    So stop. f*cking. Trying.

    It`s people like you that make politics so unbearably f*cked up. If you only ever view the world in terms of binary opposing `sides,` you`ll never be able to coexist with the broad spectrum of humanity that`s out there.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1927 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    Sure as water is wet if the MSM could have dug up similar stuff against Zimm they would have. Funny how they ignored or refused to report anything that might have painted Martin in a bad light.

  87. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    @peakingo: Nice try!

    It`s the TM side which says it`s OK for underage BLACK KIDS to some weed, drink and do drugs. NOT ME! I know full well who smokes pot (everyone) DUH!
    But YOUR side makes an excuse for a CHILD to be doing it, and pretends it`s "no big deal"? WRONG!

    So we know what TM was NOT doing in those 4 minutes: leaving. Going home. Escaping. Avoiding conflict. GZ was mostly on the phone with 911. Standing still, then he walked straight back to his truck. FACTS.

    Half Truths?
    #1 Bill CLEARLY identifies his musing about "Lean" as speculation. NOT FACT = you fail.
    #2 GZ`s "previous record" was ALL OVER THE MSM. How is that "ignored"? For months they blabbed about it!

    What the MSM really ignored? That one of GZ`s previous 911 calls led to the arrest of... a criminal black youth.
  88. Profile photo of Sonsglow
    Sonsglow Male 18-29
    201 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    Not wasting 10 minutes on a conservative pundit.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    One thing I want to clarify is I`m not a supporter of any one side.

    I think the verdict was fair. In dealing with the laws that`s already in place. The jury made the right decision.

    I think they`re both to blame. They both made devastating decisions in a blink of an eye and from both perspectives they felt threatened. BOTH.

    What is your fascination with sides? Not just in this case but in general? I see it constantly.

    This isn`t twilight, life isn`t black and white (no pun intended). I see it disgraceful the way EVERYONE-MSM, and alternative presses like PJTV have behaved and continue now that it`s over.

    His past same as Zimmerman is irrelevant. It`s circumstantial. All that matters is what happened in those few minutes they met. When you chose to become confrontation there can be consequences and sometimes that means killing someone or being killed.

    Which is a tragedy for everyone involved.
  90. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6171 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    CaptKangaroo-"Zimmerman created the circumstances that led to the confrontation, then killed Martin."

    So YOU get to choose how far back you go to `create the circumstances`? How convenient.

    Zimmerman wouldn`t have followed Martin if Martin hadn`t been acting in a suspicious manner.

    So, by your own `logic`, we can determint that MARTIN `created the circumstances that led to the confrontation.`
  91. Profile photo of peakingo
    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    You asked me for proof from the video of half-truths and I deliver it. You`re now try to justify it and missing the hypocrisy which is my point.

    He talks about the half-truths, lies, under reporting from Leftist MSM. Then proceeds to do the same thing. The proof I gave is exactly what you asked for. By saying that he acknowledged it`s not true and then CHOOSING not to report GZ`s past he contradicting himself.

    That`s my point when I said it`s filled with half-truths this is literally what I`m writing about. Your defense is proving he was doing it!

    If he was honest, factual, and impartial then he wouldn`t of mentioned anything about LEAN and mentioned Zimmermans past. It`s really easy check this out....

    "Now to be fair, it should be noted that like Travon, George has a past. Though acquitted of all charges he was arrested twice for the following..."

    You don`t like it? Then be more careful when asking for proof.
  92. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    @peakingo: Seriously?
    #1 The story Bill is covering is: MSM MEDIA BIAS.
    Get it?
    NOT "The complete life of GZ".
    OK?

    Thus in order to illustrate MSM BIAS he lists several truths, which you do not dispute.
    He ALSO offers opinions. Which are... OPINIONS!

    HOW can an OPINION be a "half truth" if it`s NOT presented as "a fact" in the first place? It cannot.

    GZ was accused, then AQUITTED.
    TM was accused, then PUNISHED.

    NEITHER are "courtroom evidence" but both are FACTS.
    To PRETEND that being "accused" is the same as being "guilty" is... LIBERAL!

    Aren`t you an American? It`s:

    "Innocent until PROVEN GUILTY". And in ALL THREE cases? GZ was, is and remains: innocent.

    Reporting that he is innocent of FALSE ACCUSATIONS is supposed to put him in jail? Make him guilty? How does THAT work?
  93. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 7:44 pm
    In before @peakingo or @SmagBoy1 shouts:

    "But BILL is biased too!"

    #1: Is Bill an "unbiased journalist"?
    No: He is an "opinion blogger". He does NOT pretend to be otherwise. This is his OPINION. Backed up with FACTS.

    #2: To report on MSM Bias, is it required to review EVERY minute detail of the case?
    No: Only those which support OR disprove the theory.

    (YOU claimed the MSM ignored GZ`s past charges, I refuted it, because it`s obviously false!)

    Simply repeating that "GZ did `XYZ` TOO" does NOT disprove Bill`s case in any way, shape or form.

    Seriously!
  94. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 8:11 pm
    You know what the sad thing is? I could have predicted who would be defending the shooter, here on the boards of IAB, when the original incident happened, even before any facts came out about the case.

    And my predictions were exactly correct.
  95. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    @davymid

    The reverse can be said about those that would take Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and their merry band of leeches, the MSM at their word hook, line and sinker.

    I`ve always said I do feel bad that a teenager had to die but damn he`s not the first and certainly won`t be the last. When people like the ones mentioned above give a crap about ALL deaths like this, no matter what the color of the person`s skin, then maybe there will be some progress in this country.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    You keep proving my point 5cats.

    He`s says here`s the facts that the bias MSM don`t show you because they want to corrupt the truth.

    Now here I am about to do the same thing in A VIDEO COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW LIBERALS DO IT.

    That literally makes him a hypocrite.

    You saying all this stuff is semantical. You also just wrote that he is BIAS, not a reporter, rather an opinionated bloggers with an agenda.

    All of this 5cats makes him a hypocrite and more importantly someone who SHOULDN`T be in a video about fairness in media coverage.

  97. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    @davymid: Because the IAB Liberal Brigade would automatically root for the non-white?
    Oh wait, they`re BOTH non-white...
    ...because the IAB Liberal Brigade would do ANYTHING the MSM tells them? That`s a 100% fact, Jack!

    "His shirt was TUCKED IN!" - @madest

    Oh yeah, I waited until some facts were known, then formed my OWN opinion. A great big F-U to anyone who thinks I didn`t. You have ESP or something? Eh?

    Again, for perhaps the 3rd or 4th time: WHAT FACTS did Bill get wrong @peakingo? You`ve mentioned an opinion and a MOOT POINT thus far...

    So aside from repeating yourself, you`ve said: absolutely nothing. Nothing "factual" nothing "accurate" and certainly nothing germane to the discussion...

    It`s not a "factual error" to NOT talk about MEANINGLESS TRIVIA... ffs...
  98. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm
    @peakingo: A little help for y`all:

    Fact: TM was carrying a can of "Watermelon Drink".
    = 100% true.

    Opinion: TM was going to make "Lean" with it.
    = Might be true, might not.

    Racism: He had Watermelon Drink because ALL Negros like watermelon.
    = racism. (duh)

    Now: the MSM repeatedly called his beverage "Ice Tea". Why? is it accurate? Is it a fact? NO! Did they know better? They sure as blazes should have after all that time!

    To the day of the Jury Decision the MSM was calling it "Ice Tea". I heard it with my own ears! It`s not disputable that they GOT IT WRONG 1,000 times in a row.

    Ok? You get it now? When every liberal on TV makes the same mistake 1,000 times in a row? It`s NOT an "accident". There IS a reason...
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    July 22, 2013 at 5:43 am
    @davymid

    "You know what the sad thing is? I could have predicted who would be defending the shooter, here on the boards of IAB"

    You`ve witnessed years and years of me being avidly anti-gun, and having extensive debates with 5cats and co about it.

    And I support the shooter.

    Did you predict that?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 22, 2013 at 5:58 am
    You know what the sad thing is? I could`ve predicted who`d be defending this petty thug here on the boards of IAB, when the original incident happened, even before any facts came out about the case.

    Now we got Obama pretty much stating he thinks Zimmerman should be guilty and people should take justice into their own hand on a man found INNOCENT! Some leader imagine if Clinton said that could be my daughter in 20 year when OJ got off while the black "community" was celebrating he got away with legit 1st degree murder they would`ve rioted....
  101. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 22, 2013 at 6:56 am
    Some more food for thought about the vastness of the MSM`s bias in THIS case. With lots of links! Of course.

    @Musuko42: Good for you bro! It`s not contradictory to be "anti-gun" but still support the proper application of current laws. Even if you`d prefer they were changed? They`re still "The Law". They should apply equally to all persons regardless of skin colour.

    As for further "legal challenges"?
    If either the Feds OR Martin Family come after Zimmerman? it opens a "legal can of worms" that may actually help GZ!

    His life has been ruined by the MSM (and Obama!), but he should be able to win the rest of the potential legal battles...
  102. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    July 22, 2013 at 7:13 am
    Outstanding Transcript Here! Supposed to be a video too.

    I mentioned this specific program as one I watched myself!
    - Ice Tea
    - GZ ONLY called about `black men`. ALL 46 calls to 911 over 6 years were about `black men`
    - the dispatcher told GZ to "stay in his truck"

    ALL these UTTERLY false statements went 100% UNCHALLENGED by the "moderator" Judy Woodruff. Wtf?

    Fact: 6 were about "blacks" and 3 about "whites". One was because a 7 year old (black) boy was crying in the street. GZ helped him. Most were about mundane things or unknown races involved.
  103. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    @Smagboy: "Ignorant racists being racists" --- Nice... Another one of those individuals who cannot argue with facts, so thus pulls the almighty race card... Typical...
  104. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Smagboy - Looks like you`re a little confused in who you are replying to?
  105. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    "I noticed that he left out Zimmerman`s violent past, arrest for two counts felony assault against police officers."

    Uh, I noticed you failed to mention the FACT that BOTH charges were DROPPED, and the FACT that neither one involved ANY violence. Example, the most recent "Arrest" of "assault" on a Police Officer was at a bar, when a cop who was NOT IN UNIFORM put one of Zimmermans friends in a choke hold. Zimmerman, walking back into the room saw some guy assaulting his friend, merely pushed the cop off his friend. At no point did the man identify himself as a cop to Zimmerman, until pushed off - Of course, having a massive ego, the off duty cop decided to pull out his badge and arrest both at this time... All charges were later dropped once the facts came out that it was the COP who acted inappropriately, and under the influence of alcohol. But you just go ahead and keep leaving out the facts mmmmkay?
  106. Profile photo of cuthere2
    cuthere2 Male 30-39
    317 posts
    August 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    Interesting comment: "Nerdrage would you go straight home if you thought a stranger was following you? I`ve been in that situation and didn`t go straight home because I didn`t want him to know where I lived. Being followed (or even thinking you are) is kind of terrifying. Confronting the person and saying "are you following me?" to exert some authority or fearlessness is not out of the realm of rational responses in my opinion." --- Problem with your comment is that TM completely lost George! He ran behind a stretch of homes whilst George was still in his truck, with no visual on where TM was! TM watched as George walked PAST him, while he was in hiding, and could have remained so as George walked PAST, and towards his truck. He (Trayvon) decided to engage. Did you forget that Trayvon stated publicly on his FB page how much he loved fighting? He wanted a rematch of a previous fight because the guy "didn`t bleed enough." Yea, sounds like a frightened little

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