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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Link: Voting Rights, Left To The States-Go SCOTUS! - Louisiana ``literacy`` test circa 1964, given to black people to demonstrate eligibility to vote...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    Literacy tests and poll taxes are not coming back, those things are covered by section 2 of the VRA. The Court said section 4 laying out the formulae for covering states for Preclearance was "outdated" and needed to be revamped. Everything stays but sec. 4, It`s Bulls#it I know, an incredible act of judicial malfeasance, but this isn`t going to stand. There`s already movement in Congress to address this and there`s at least 1 Rep, Cantor who may just grow a conscience this time.

    Because if he can`t there`s no amount of Tilting the playing field that`ll repair the voter antipathy, especially among the young. You can`t stop history, you can only retard it, and as so often is the case with Reps I`m using both senses of the word here.

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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    June 30, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    Wow. Horrendous. I didn`t know it was this bad. Thanks for the post, SmagBoy1.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 30, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    It`s been over 50 years.
    The civil rights movement is done.
    They HAVE overcome.
    Time to reduce some federal influences.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    Hey, a citizen is not required to prove they are literate to vote at present time.

    For that matter, they are not even required to prove they are citizens, to vote at present time.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    When you look at all of the ID requirement laws that they were trying to pass right prior to the last election, you can`t say that we`ve overcome. I don`t mean you, specifically, Gerry, I just mean, the fact is, even with the VRA fully in place, there are all sorts of laws that have no basis reality (e.g. there`s no proven voter ID fraud). Trying to limit the vote to those who hold two forms of ID, for example (e.g. a state-issued card and a gun registration, or a passport) is tantamount to a voting toll. And who gets left out in those situations? Elderly, poor, under-educated, recent immigrants. How do they *overwhelmingly* vote? It`s truly bad news. :-(
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
    3061 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 4:37 pm
    Now everybody needs to get in an uproar about Louisiana`s voting practices that happened almost 50 years ago. We need to first off call them racist, humiliate them throughout the media, cut funding, expel them from the union, and avoid them like the plague. Just because they did something a long time ago that they considered to be the norm at the time.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    June 30, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    The minute you Register to vote they verify if you`re a citizen.

    This Law was built on the backs of martyrs, to tamper with it in any way is profaning their memory...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    SmagBoy1-"there`s no proven voter ID fraud"

    Proven
    Proven
    Proven
    Proven
    Proven
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 30, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    QueenZira-"The minute you Register to vote they verify if you`re a citizen."

    Yes, but many times, WHEN you vote, you do not have to prove that you are the person you say you are. So there`s no proof that you are actually a citizen.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    June 30, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    I most certainly do have to prove who I am, I have to give them my birthdate and they look me up in the registered voters book they keep nearby.

    And any in person voter fraud that actually does occur is infinitesimally small and immediately caught, no one is begging to go to prison once they`ve been inevitably found out.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 30, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    MeGrendel

    I will admit that there should be a way for voters to verify their identity and eligibility. However, you gotta admit that the issue being brought up in the months before the last election was a concerted effort by the republican party to prevent probable Obama voters from being able to vote and had NOTHING to do with actual voter fraud concerns.

    If voting identification is important then make it important 10 years before it takes affect and make sure everyone in the country is issued a voting ID free of charge.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2347 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm
    It is not a hardship- nor is it discriminatory- to require all LEGAL citizens of the United States present a drivers license or state ID, in order to register to vote.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    June 30, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    It is a hardship if you don`t own a car, it is a hardship (and completely arbitrary) to have to get a firearm license to be able to vote and it is a hardship to have a valid student ID which the state will not accept. IDs are just a poll tax under a new name.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    QueenZira-"I most certainly do have to prove who I am, I have to give them my birthdate"

    And no one else knows your birthdate?

    I`ve gone to vote before and had the lady with the book tell me `You`ve already voted.`. Why? Because someone knew my birthdate and address.

    HolyGod-"a concerted effort by the republican party to prevent probable Obama voters"

    I agree with that. Where I dissagree is the `probably Obama voters` that were trying to keep from voting were illegals who do not have the right to vote.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    QueenZira-"It is a hardship if you don`t own a car"

    That doesn`t cover the State issue ID, which is very easy to get and many people who don`t drive have to cash checks and such. Hardly a `hardship`.

    QueenZira-"it is a hardship (and completely arbitrary) to have to get a firearm license to be able to vote"

    I know of no such requirement. I do know it`s an acceptable form of Identification, but it is hardly a requirement, and not a `hardship`.

    QueenZira-"it is a hardship to have a valid student ID which the state will not accept."

    It`s not considered a proof of citizenship because many students at US universities are not citizens.

    QueenZira-"are just a poll tax under a new name."

    BS. There is absolutely no hardship to obtaining a state ID.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 5:26 pm
    My name, my birthdate and where I live to be specific.

    Last yr, dad had a poll worker tell him that too. Turns out he received an absentee ballot and didn`t vote with it. They helpfully cancelled it right then and there and proceeded to let him vote in person.

    The only reason Reps are into a new assault on voting rights is because too many of the "wrong people" ie nonwhites and young are suddenly voting and they`re scared. Keep at it you troglodytes, I couldn`t witness a more beautiful suicide than this from a redneck rump party that can no longer compete on the national stage...
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
    508 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    What`s the big deal? I did the test and found it clear enough. Really, it only took me 5 minutes to complete.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    MeGrendel

    "I agree with that. Where I dissagree is the `probably Obama voters` that were trying to keep from voting were illegals who do not have the right to vote."

    I think they were more concerned about inner city poor people who did not have government issued photo ID and who would not have had time to get one before voter registration. Believe it or not LOTS of people don`t have driver`s licenses or other photo ID. Of course illegals should not be able to vote.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3520 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    @QueenZira: "It is a hardship if you don`t own a car, it is a hardship (and completely arbitrary) to have to get a firearm license to be able to vote and it is a hardship to have a valid student ID which the state will not accept. IDs are just a poll tax under a new name."


    First off an ID is not a driver license.

    Secondly PolitiFact.com has already put out an article that Voter ID laws and a poll tax are not equivalent.

    link
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3520 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:27 pm
    @HolyGod "I think they were more concerned about inner city poor people who did not have government issued photo ID and who would not have had time to get one before voter registration."

    I would agree, but I don`t think they are ignorant to the fact that they get a bump from illegals and voter ID fraud. Anyways, the highest total cost for an ID is $33.50 in Oregon, yet in most states they are free. But my question is if you don`t have time in a whole year to register to vote, even though one can always call the BOE at 607-753-5032 and ask to have a postage-paid application sent to you, how would you have time to actually vote? It usually takes around two hours where I live, if your not going to send in your vote by mail.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    Megrendel

    "There is absolutely no hardship to obtaining a state ID."

    I don`t know about in Pennsylvania, or where you are from, but in AZ it is kinda a hassle.

    It requires 3 forms of ID and while that might be easy for me or you someone who has a rough life might not readily have a social security card, birth certificate, and W2 laying around. Not to mention it takes 4-6 weeks.

    So for some people it may have been impossible, given the timing, to get an ID before the election. I would call impossible "a hardship".

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    HG: What is hypocritical here is that Obama just went to Africa and the White House is praising Kenya`s Voter ID law. Link

    No one is talking about instituting literacy tests, just get a valid ID. Anyone that is honestly concerned about the integrity of our voting system should have no problem with Voter ID.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    richanddead

    "But my question is if you don`t have time in a whole year to register to vote, even though one can always call the BOE at 607-753-5032 and ask to have a postage-paid application sent to you, how would you have time to actually vote?"

    I don`t mean not have had time to get one as in the time it takes to apply, I mean not enough time to get an ID before the election. The law was being looked at in the courts in october of 2012.

    That would give someone a month to get together the necessary documents and get their ID in time to vote. If processing time is more than a week or two it would have been impossible.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    CrakrJak

    "Anyone that is honestly concerned about the integrity of our voting system should have no problem with Voter ID"

    ABSOLUTELY. Pass a national law and give people a few years to get things in order before it takes affect. Don`t try to sneak it in a month or two before the election like they did in 2012.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 30, 2013 at 6:49 pm
    HG: The voter ID laws that passed were not just a month or two away from the election, they`d been discussed in their state legislatures for years.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    403 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    Does seem odd to me that there are so many people worried about the people casting votes, when all of the most recent voting scandals have been on the part of the people and machines doing the counting.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 30, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    CrakrJak

    "The voter ID laws that passed were not just a month or two away from the election, they`d been discussed in their state legislatures for years."

    They were passed in march of 2012 but were not common knowledge for those who don`t keep tabs on what state legislatures are doing. There was no public service campaign, no effort whatsoever to get people to have their IDs in time for the election. Obviously because they didn`t want THOSE people to be able to vote. The judge didn`t make the ruling on the law until October, a month before the election.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    They ought to put a multiple-choice test right on the ballot and weight your vote according to your score.

    Regarding voter ID, if you can`t get your $#!+ together enough to get yourself an ID, I don`t give a loose dry f*** who you think ought to win the election.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 9:07 pm
    OldOllie

    "They ought to put a multiple-choice test right on the ballot and weight your vote according to your score."

    You really want to bring knowledge and intelligence into it? The republican base has its share of illiterate, functionally retarded, redneck, good ole boys.

    The best educated states vote democrat and the worst educated states vote republican.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 30, 2013 at 10:36 pm
    HG Most educated != best educated != most intelligent.

    There are plenty of idiots in the Republican party who aren`t qualified to vote. How the hell do you think they ended up nominating John F***ing McCain?

    BTW, most high-IQ societies, particularly the super-high-IQ societies like the Triple Nine Society and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry have a hugely disproportionate number of libertarians as members.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm
    OldOllie

    "HG Most educated != best educated != most intelligent."

    Agreed. But they tend to go hand in hand.

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 30, 2013 at 11:24 pm
    OldOllie

    "have a hugely disproportionate number of libertarians as members."

    Link to a source, although I don`t necessarily doubt it. Most highly intelligent people don`t fully align with any party, only sheep do that. I like a lot of the libertarian ideals. I think they align more closely with liberals than conservatives, but I`m more concerned with personal freedom than economic freedom.

    I`ve said before that if Ron Paul would have gotten the republican nomination I might have voted for him if he stepped a LITTLE back from total social darwinism.

    I personally just CAN`T vote for a party that makes heroes out of anti intellectuals like George Bush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, etc.

    Republicans need to get the religious nuts out of their ranks and focus on ACTUAL fiscal conservatism and reduced government.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    June 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    Pretty sure that the girl on the witness stand in the Zimmerman trial couldn`t pass the test.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 1, 2013 at 12:03 am
    "Link to a source."

    I am the source.

    I personally just CAN`T vote for a party that makes heroes out of anti intellectuals like George Bush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, etc.
    And yet you can vote for a party with such intellectual giants as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Joe Biden, Bobby Rush, Al Gore, Hank Johnson, Claire McCaskill, Sheila Jackson Lee, Debbie Wasserman Test Schultz, Maxine Waters, and let`s not forget Hillary and Obama, neither of whom ever ran anything in their entire lives except their mouths.

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 1, 2013 at 12:05 am
    Pretty sure that the girl on the witness stand in the Zimmerman trial couldn`t pass the test.
    And yet she gets to cancel out my vote.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 1, 2013 at 1:20 am
    Here`s the problem: without laws in place to protect the right of ALL citizens to vote, this kind of thing can (and has) happen. It`s important that we not get complacent and allow it. Just because YOU don`t find something a hardship doesn`t mean it`s not. Isn`t it important that we make sure ALL citizens have a chance to vote?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 1, 2013 at 5:17 am
    HG: Last I knew April to October was 7 months, not the one or two that you said. Plus it was all over the TV news nationwide, no awareness campaign was needed.

    The left was just afraid that their voter fraud tactics would end, just as they are now.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    July 1, 2013 at 7:36 am
    @Crakr: "Plus it was all over the TV news nationwide, no awareness campaign was needed."

    Yeah, right... Obamacare has been "all over the TV news nationwide" for a few years now, right? Yet we established yesterday that "43% Uninsured Unaware They Must Get Coverage". Is an "awareness campaign" needed?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    July 1, 2013 at 8:53 am
    chalket-"Is an "awareness campaign" needed?"

    Why would we want that? The current level of `awareness` is result of a missinformation campaign combined with a `Look, Squirrell!!` campaign.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    July 1, 2013 at 10:20 am
    That`s true, and some of us are getting really sick and tired of the right-wing`s constant misinformation campaign.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 1, 2013 at 10:32 am
    OldOllie

    "I am the source."

    Of course. My mistake.

    "yet you can vote for a party with such intellectual giants as...."

    I list people that can`t think of a single newspaper, think evolution is a hoax, and believe you can pray the gay away and you respond with a list of highly intelligent people with multiple degrees and awards from ivy league schools.

    Your basis for intelligence is whether or not they agree with you which shows how completely unable you are to judge intelligence. I happen to think Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Dick Chenney are all extremely bright despite the fact that I disagree with and despise almost everything about them.

    That is called impartiality and objectiveness. You should work on it. Otherwise you are just a sad old man sitting in a room alone screaming "I`m the smartest man alive and anyone who disagrees with me is an utter moron!" on the internet.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 1, 2013 at 10:36 am
    OldOllie

    Are you really telling me that if you put Bush, Bachman, Perry, and Palin in a room with Obama, Clinton, Gore, and Pelosi and gave everyone an SAT test and an IQ test that you think team red would win?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 1, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    @OldOllie: Obama sealed his SAT scores (or whichever ones they were) via Court Order... they are secret. George Bush II`s were pretty good actually... they are public record.

    idk about the rest.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    July 1, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    Al Gore`s IQ test results?!

    ROTFLMFAO.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    DromEd

    "Al Gore`s IQ test results?! ROTFLMFAO."

    It is pretty well documented and public knowledge that Gore`s standardized IQ test score was 134 and his SAT was 1355. So I`m not sure what you are ROTFLYFAO about other than to show what a total moron you are.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 1, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    MANBEARPIG!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 1, 2013 at 10:58 pm
    HG, So, you get to pick your team AND the Republican team. How about I get to pick YOUR team? Obama, Biden, Waters, and Pelosi. They couldn`t muster a 3-digit IQ combined.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2013 at 9:02 am
    OldOllie

    "HG, So, you get to pick your team AND the Republican team. How about I get to pick YOUR team? Obama, Biden, Waters, and Pelosi. They couldn`t muster a 3-digit IQ combined."

    1. I took my team off YOUR list of "stupid" democrats.

    2. You really think Obama is dumb? I mean honestly in your heart of hearts? Politics aside. Partisanship aside. We aren`t talking opinions or policies, just straight standardized intelligence. You really think the guy is dumb?

    The dude was president of the Harvard Law Review and graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School. You really think that is possible without being pretty intelligent?

    Your blinding hate is sickening. I didn`t like Romney but that doesn`t mean I wasn`t impartial enough to realize the guy was smart, even if I didn`t agree with him.

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