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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    June 9, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    Link: Land Of The Free? - Be careful what you say on this thread... they might be watching.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    aayep
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    It used to be.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 7:12 pm
    I think they`d say, "what`s up with those dudes 5cats and OldOllie?".
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 7:42 pm
    Has anyone seen TheGuySmiley? Anyone? He seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth.

    ~scratches head~
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    Squrlz shhhh, you`ll jinx it! ;-)
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:00 pm
    taliban bomb is ready death to america i would like to kill the president od the united states of america planes go zoom and boom how about that sharia law hitler did nothing wrong al qaeda number 1!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2013 at 8:01 pm
    Squrlz: It`s possible he could be in the hospital, like I was last month. I`m still healing, but glad to be back home. Sorry if I don`t reply as quick or consistently like I used to.

    As for the Obama administration`s surveillance, it`s not only unconstitutional, it`s frightening. If we don`t stand up and protect our 4th amendment rights on this issue, we will never get them back.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    June 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    The next flag will have drones.
  10. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    @ CrakrJak: I was wondering where you were. I`m glad you`re back and on the mend.

    I agree with you on this issue 100%. It`s time for the public to wake up and realize if a line isn`t drawn in the sand now, we ought to stop kidding ourselves and simply delete the 4th Amendment.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm
    Liberals railed about Bush having this kind of power because they were afraid he would abuse it exactly the way Obama HAS abused it and IS abusing it now, and yet as long as it`s Obama, they`re okay with it.

    It looks like we`re going to have to elect a Republican president before the liberals are going to see a problem with this.
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
    568 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    I don`t understand everyone`s issue with being minimally surveilled. It`s not like anyone`s trying to throw you into Orwell`s 1984 or China for that matter. If you REALLY have a problem with it then you must be doing something REALLY wrong and that`s exactly why we should have said surveillance.
    Let`s make a pact with the Republicans. You get all the guns you want as long as we can surveille communication lines strictly for anti-terrorism purposes. They have computer algorithms detect high risk correspondences anyways. Some people are so full of themselves that they hear the word surveillance and they imagine there must be someone constantly stalking them, ready to pounce at absolutely anything moderately illegal they might do.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    @ OldOllie: Ollie, look at the post immediately before yours. I`m as liberal as they come and I`m definitely NOT okay with this.

    @ Tupinambis: I couldn`t disagree with you more. If you have servers that hold historical data (e-mails, text messages, social media comments, you-name-it) on every citizen going back to birth, it`s pretty easy to paint any picture about that individual you want by selective editing. I don`t think everyone should be living under the threat of having his or her biography written in a hostile fashion the moment they do something the government doesn`t like. If you allow this, you`ve created a police surveillance state, where every citizen tiptoes through life hoping a hammer won`t drop from above.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    June 9, 2013 at 8:27 pm
    They might be watching- but they will be pretty damn bored with me.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    Bush *did* abuse this power, Patriot Act anyone? Finding out what you were reading at the Library? Such short memories... After the Bush years Congress said they`d only let the FISA courts rule on who if anyone needed watching, but FISA gave them too much shocking leeway anyway.

    I`ll be the first to admit that Obama is not my Ideal candidate policy wise, I have a whole checklist of Stuff He Should`ve Done that I regularly lament over. But Cons can`t attack him over taking a Bushian legacy (that they full throatedly loved when it was their administration) to it`s logical conclusion.

    I haven`t abandoned my principles, I don`t support this, I`ve simply become the loyal opposition. Because it`s better to get half a loaf with a Dem than get a whole muffin made of broken glass from Reps...
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
    568 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    @Squir4Sale
    I understand what you mean but if it came to that point and the government was so conniving then that would be the least of your worries. A mind numbingly large amount of data is generated every day. Ideally, they would only store it until it was scanned.
    But again, if we assume that everyone behind it is a crook and wants your head on a stake, then I wouldn`t want it either.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    @ Tupinambis: Regrettably, I`m fairly certain you`re mistaken. Computer storage is cheap and getting cheaper everyday. I can buy a 32 GB (that`s GIGAbyte) thumb drive at Target now for a song, where that was unimaginable just ten years ago. The latest trend in surveillance is time-adjustable data: a continuous feed of history that`s maintained so that if you see something interesting NOW, you can dial back on that locale or that individual and see what was going on yesterday, last week, last month, and last year. You just rotate the dial to go back in time.

    THAT is precisely where the NSA is headed and it is one of the main reasons why Ed Snowden blew the whistle.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    I don`t think anyone is OK with this, period. When I point out that you can thank the Cheney/Rumsfeld administration for opening the door via the Patriot Act I`m not saying it`s OK now because the Obama administration is using these tactics. I point it out because many people were OK with it when they signed it into law back in `01 while the 9/11 attacks were still fresh in their memories. I remember hearing, "Well, if you`re doing nothing wrong then why worry?" all the time. Now that it`s being used by a PotUS Republicans love to hate it`s suddenly the greatest threat to the American people that has ever existed.

    This isn`t a Democrat vs. Republican issue like the Teabaggers are trying to make it, it`a a Gov`t vs. Citizens issue.

    Just take a look at how the House & Senate voted, the numbers don`t lie.
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
    568 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 9:06 pm
    Snowden blew his whistle, so what happens now? Americans get off their couches and try to shut down the NSA`s program? I guess only time will tell but I don`t see a compromise where the privacy Snowden speaks of and national security live hand in hand. Like he said, it comes down to what`s more important to the individual.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4348 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    LOL, land of the free, thats a good one.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
    2856 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm
    you morons, its for your safety
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 10:44 pm
    @ Quackor:

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 9, 2013 at 11:11 pm
    Ollie, look at the post immediately before yours. I`m as liberal as they come and I`m definitely NOT okay with this.
    S4S, as an intellectually honest liberal, you have to realize that you are part of a distinct minority on the left these days. Just look at the polls. Hell, it we has a do-over of the election, Obama would STILL probable be reelected. Most of his voters just don`t give a rat`s ass as long as they get their benefits.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    June 9, 2013 at 11:44 pm
    I`m from Finland, one the least monitored countries and i don`t approve this. Would gladly bomb PRISM. And yes, i`m using keywords on purpose from now on.. Let em choke on my kittens..
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
    2873 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 12:21 am
    this post and the comments are not exactly helping me figure out why the nsa is pissing every one off. i get it, invasion of privacy (i think), just explain what theyre doing. this is related to that whistle blower thing right?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 1:15 am
    Welcome to the UK
    we have more cameras than pretty much anyone in the world
    Government taps your emails if needed,
    phones - if needed, etc
    Dark days
    bummer
    guess Im gonna be taken away now
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 1:22 am
    I think Old Ollie you`re confusing the idea that because Obama is utilizing what Bush started that liberals are okay with it verses holding Bush accountable for making these occurrence easier.

    I consider myself moderate and I`m against it and Obama. I have hardcore OWS friends that hate Obama as well as hardcore libertarian friends, the problem you`re ignoring is the accountability that should be put on the Bush Admin for allowing situations like this to occur because it makes it easy for any president dem/rep to abuse it.

    I am not surprised that Obama is abusing it, but I`m more upset that collectively as a nation we allowed our emotional frailty post 911 to blind us to what Bush was passing with the Patriot Act.

    Now, collectively we are ALL screwed by any future president: democrat or republican.
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    C_Frost Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2013 at 1:32 am
    this is a public forum, of course they are watching, that is what it is here for
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    403 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 1:50 am
    As much as I`m against it, this country has way bigger problems to deal with than whether or not I decided to jerk it to pictures of gingers last Friday. They`ve created an environment where corporations are practically encouraged to send our jobs overseas, but we`re the potentially subversive ones with all our newly acquired time to spend on Google.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 2:44 am
    Isnt America supposed to be the country With the most inmates?
    With that in mind it seems very strange that you guys need so much surveilance...very strange indeed.

    With the distrust you guys appear to have to the goverment (which you voted in?) its odd that the Whole thing hasnt been abolished. Why not go to the Extreme? Then it would truly be land of the "free" and "Equal" rights for everyone.

    @CrakrJak
    Welcome back, I had wondered where you had gone. Hope you are better.

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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2013 at 3:08 am
    I`m so surprised that there are some who defend and accept this.. Monitoring thoughts, opinions and personal secrets is NEVER accepted. No matter what it will prevent, that road leads to slavery of mind. Next: get rid of the artists and the intellectuals, then you put students under an ironboot (the most revolutionary group in history), it just never ends.

    And once again, it does not matter which party is in power when this kind thing happens. These decisions are NOT made by politicians of certain disposition, these are done in backcabinets.

    I`m so greatful that i stopped using all of the companies that are listed in the leak (except MS, i still have windows..) No apple products, i use google thru duckduckgo etc. But what i will do is to drop keywords on my comments, like POTUS and dirtybomb in NY or yellowcake from Uganda, just for the lulz.
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    mikesex Male 60-69
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    June 10, 2013 at 5:03 am
    From Francis Walsingham to J Edgar Hoover to computers to internet to smartphones to social media via Silicon Valley...

    I`m just surprised that anyone`s surprised!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2013 at 5:35 am
    With that in mind it seems very strange that you guys need so much surveilance

    Said the guiy living in the UK. You should take a look at who leads the world in public surveilance.
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 6:14 am
    McG

    The original estimate of cameras in UK has been revised downwards by a factor of over 50% and the majority of those cameras are privately owned.

    TOTALLY different situation to government departments DEMANDING that corporations hand over information collected from private citizens.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2013 at 6:43 am
    We should get as many people as possible to start randomly inserting words like BOMB, TERRORIST, AIRPLANE, etc. into everything they say and write.

    I have to imagine that having a couple hundred million people constantly triggering the search algorithms will slow them down.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2013 at 7:54 am
    *camera falls off*
    Disembodied Feminine Voice: "Please do not destroy vital testing apparatus..."
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2013 at 8:16 am
    The original estimate of cameras in UK has been revised downwards by a factor of over 50% and the majority of those cameras are privately owned.

    According to the government we were wrong we are not putting cameras everwhere we`re doing everything right....

    Further socailism will be good for you but we still have to support a monarchy.... Whew and they call us brainwashed!
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 8:24 am
    @HumanAction

    I would so like it if that could be accomplished. But...

    I fear that it would result in just more seven-year olds being put on no-flight lists because " her name sounds like..."
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 8:33 am
    @McG

    (Sigh) WE have WAY more cameras than They do. Some examples: killing of Ian Tomlinson in London; Romney`s 47% speech; your police nervousness with Citizen Camera (CC) TV. God, the clowns even get dobbed in by THEIR OWN dashcams.

    Cameras aren`t the problem (unless you are on FaceBook): Information is! And they have that in Spades. Which is fine as long as we know who the Good Guys actually are. Check out YOUR politicians; ours are mostly too dumb for us to be scared.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2013 at 8:36 am
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2013 at 8:36 am
    @mikesex

    Oh I don`t agree with what they`re doing but the UK is right there with us.
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 8:44 am
    And let me conclude the rant to deal with McGovern`s obsession with Uk and the Monarchy.

    The UK is a Parliamentary Democracy (look up the words you don`t understand), RULED by a Government drawn from a parliament elected by the people.

    That democracy incorporates a Constitutional Monarchy (again: look it up) so that we have a CEREMONIAL Head of State where the sovereign retains little or no power other than that limited to tradition.

    Repeat after me: Real power in the UK lies in a prime minister chosen by an elected parliament.

    I swear to God, McG, at some point I`m going to insist that you take a history test in, well, just about anything if you keep babbling on about this.

    Sorry, folks. my nurse has just come to fetch me back.
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    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2013 at 9:39 am
    The next step will be ourselves doing the filming:

    Google glasses
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2013 at 10:36 am
    CEREMONIAL Head of State where the sovereign retains little or no power other than that limited to tradition.

    Little or no power but we`ll still give them money. If they had no power how did one get to be an apache piolt and how did charles get all those medals....yep no power there....
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 11:29 am
    McGovern

    Give the link to Charles medals; no argument from me. Not Charles` choice either.

    Now: Charles` father Phillip; serving officer in Royal Navy in destroyers in action WW11

    Charles` son Andrew; serving officer in Royal Navy flying helicopters operationally to draw Exocet missiles from hitting RN ships in Falklands war

    Charles` grandson, Harry, serving in Afghanistan anonymously until outed by Australian media, retrained in helicopters and, at his own insistence, returned to active duty in a war zone.

    McG, because being royal means you are never in danger?

    And check out the 1974 kidnap attempt on Anne.

    Wazzock!
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    120 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 11:35 am
    Correction: Harry is Charles son, not grandson. Was talking to someone about someone else. Mea culpa.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    "The next step will be ourselves doing the filming: Google glasses"
    Who WANTS to wear glasses. Get an implant...
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm
    @McGovern
    Haha its great that you can point fingers at other countries... With thaty attitude you really ought to read George Orwells The Animal Farm, I think you will find some of the characters very appealing. But anyway Im not british so boo hoo. (Europe apparently is enough of a dsefinition)

    But I guess I have to agree that the brits surveilance level is a bit excessive.

    @Mikesex
    No matter the arguements he will always go herp derp you pay taxes.. or herp derp monarchy..rage..
    Its hillarious how little he cares or knows of, apparently, anything outside the US.
    It seems he only knows pop media or garbage.
    But its OK McGovern, we all love you very much, even if you dont love us back.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Or perhaps my favorite.

    Hep derp.. more guns! MOAR GUNS!!!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 10, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    pekinggo, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that the USA Patriot Act of 2001 passed the House by a vote of 357 to 66, and it passed the Senate by 98 to 1. Most Democrats hypocritically turned against the law they supported just as they turned against the war when it turned out that we were facing an enemy that actually had the temerity to fight back.

    The fact is, Bush, Ashcroft, and Gonzales refused to engage in the kinds of abuses that Obama and Holder are engaging in now.

    I agree that the Patriot Act should be repealed, not because of anything that Bush did with it, but because when it passed, we never envisioned that the government would be taken over by a bunch of Chicago Democrat political machine thugs who would use its powers to attack and punish their political opponents and steal an election.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    June 11, 2013 at 4:11 am
    ~helpfully directs the NSA to TheGuySmiley`s post~

    Smiley, you`re the *one* person around here I wouldn`t mind seeing taken away in a black helicopter.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 11, 2013 at 5:52 am
    McG, because being royal means you are never in danger?

    Nope but they are the only family that get to have armed gaurds in a place were the masses have been brainwashed to think they
    are unnessecary...well unless your royal.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 5:57 am
    But anyway Im not british so boo hoo. (Europe apparently is enough of a dsefinition)


    Well you see that`s the only display option here and your profile says nothing so I have to go off the most common European crowd here.

    Animal farm is about communism. As for your thought on guns mabey you should listen to Orwell himself....
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 11, 2013 at 6:58 am
    @McGovern
    Well done, you googled the main theme. Now google the rest.
    Or just read it, im sure you can manage, its a tiny book.
    Hah who am I kidding, you wont read it. :)

    Whats the relevance of Orwells opinion on guns? I dont see it. The man is entitled to his own opinions right?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 11, 2013 at 7:02 am
    @Essersmith

    Already did ages ago in like geez 6th 7th grade. A European critisizing finger pointing at other nations ROFL!! Now who`s the worlds scapegoat again? Oh ya....
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 11, 2013 at 7:11 am
    Whats the relevance of Orwells opinion on guns? I dont see it. The man is entitled to his own opinions right?

    Well you cited him to critique my thoughts of the joke called royalty. Then proceeded to mock gun ownership which if you`d look at your source he would completely dissagree with that. By the way finger pointing would be passing blame not pointing out a completly absurd thing like a monarchy.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:41 am
    Ha! McGovern1981 thinks people win arguments on the internet.


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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 12, 2013 at 5:46 am
    Hihi youre funny McGovern
    I think this post is too far on page 2 for anyone to ever read this so I Guess it doesnt matter.

    Animal farm: If you read it, you forgot it, because you dont seem to remember who im comparing you to.

    Scapegoat: Im assuming you mean me when you say "European". I didnt critize (in this post anyway) the US or any other country. I made a mockery of a situation and gave an absurd suggestion to fix it.

    Gunownership: I mocked Your seeming fanatism With guns. Completely unrelated to George Orwells book or his opinion on guns. Which I still find irrelevant. So he liked guns?

    Rest: So far you have yet to proove that you know ANYTHING besides popmedia on ANYTHING outside the US.

    Monarchy: Yes you are against monarchy, sure many of us are, but if them being paid by tax Money is the only thing you know about them (besides Your antique thoughts on their role) then its extremely Limited. Most act as ambasadors an
  59. Profile photo of Essersmith
    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 12, 2013 at 5:55 am
    Most act as ambasadors and generate huge Incomes to their respective countries.

    Damn you IAB for cutting my post. It was at 999 chars.

    But YOU as an american have little to no idea about this because Your country has no real history other than war... So dont critique the monarchy or anything else using the same old argument over and over.. be a little inventive here. And this part is a critizising finger on America.

    Im generalizing alot I know most of you are allright. I generally only met Nice and decent People when I lived in the US.
    Its delightful to read opinions so radically different from my own (McGovern) and I appreciate the adversity.

    Ok /End rant

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