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59 Responses to Is America A Christian Nation?

  1. Profile photo of 12chars
    12chars Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    Link: Is America A Christian Nation? - Betty Bowers, doesn`t allow pesky facts to get in the way when providing the definitive answer to the divisive question
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm
    It`s a nothing question where the radicals on both sides are just quibbling over pesky details and historical nuances. The nation was founded with freedom of religion, and many founders were very religious. The Declaration of Independence references a creator, yet the constitution does not mention anything such. The country has long been primarily composed of Christians, but not entirely. And there has never been an established federal religion, unlike countries like Norway where there is a nationally endorsed religion.


    So it`s really just a nothing question that I`m tired of hearing about.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    brilliant.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:28 pm
    you need to understand what the 1st amendment means in reference to religion. It is a two parter - the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. The first guarentees that state or federal govt will not favor one religion over the other AND not to create laws that would establish a national religion similar to what England had. The free exercise clause ensures laws passed by congress have a secular purpose, diminishes entanglement between church/state and does not appear to enhance or inhibit any particular religion. The difference is religious beliefs vs. practices.You have the right to believe human sacrifice is the Lords commandment BUT you dont have the right to practice it. Hence, we have West Boro Baptists.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    i approve this message.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    That was actually kinda funny.

    And, as usual, I would like to point out that YOUR god is a pussy. The darker your skin, the lamer your god is. I know this because it`s a fact. A made up fact, just like your religion.

    TROLOLOLOLO, LO LO LO LO!!!
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    But i got off point....America was founded in christian beliefs BUT the forefathers were smart enough to keep it out of politics. As stated, they were devout christians, and had their beliefs, who kept personal opinion out of the govt. They endorsed federal christian holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas) and used the bible in congress (opening prayer). The 10 commandments were present in public buildings (courthouses). It is founded on Christianity but that does not mean it is a national religion.
    *Those poli science classes paid off!
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    *and the vid made me giggle too.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    "Just like France didn`t start as a muslim one" OMFG!

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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    You hear that poor people you get New Jersey!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 10:47 pm
    "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry

    "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty, as well as privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." - John Jay, 1st Chief Justice

    "I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man." - Alexander Hamilton
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    "To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian." - George Washington

    "Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God" - John Adams

    "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." - Thomas Jefferson

    "Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual." - John Hancock

    "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see." - Benjamin Franklin
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    I believe the quotes below are substantive evidence that America was founded in Christian belief. And the vast majority (about 75%) of our citizens are Christians.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 11:06 pm
    CrakrJak

    "And the vast majority (about 75%) of our citizens are Christians."

    Bull-F.ucking-S.hit

    Checking that box on an anonymous form doesn`t make it true. LOTS of atheists and agnostics say "christian" if you ask them because they think saying "atheist" sounds bad.

    My girlfriend described herself as a "christian". Once we actually talked about it I found out she didn`t believe the bible, that jesus was the son of god, or really even that god existed. When I asked her why she described herself as "christian" she shrugged and said "that`s the way I was raised".

    Belief in your bronze age fairy tales are dwindling with every passing generation. The majority of hardcore believers are the elderly and the uneducated.

    It is dying out. Thank God.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    CrakrJak

    Sampling quotes like that out of context or without knowing the situation is the same reason people say Einstein was religious because he said:

    "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

    Even though we know Einstein was a fairly outspoken Atheist who thought belief in God was childish.

    Not to mention I see no point in taking my religious cues from men 250 years ago any more than I take my cues from them concerning astronomy, computers, quantum mechanics, medicine, or whether or not it is OK to own another human being.

    They had a handful of good ideas. They weren`t gods.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 1:20 am
    It is a Christian nation. When it`s convenient.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 1:40 am
    As far as im aware, there is no official religion in the US. However the upbringing and background is thoroughly christian.
    I would not Call myself a christian or a religios person by any means, but im aware that my upbringing clearly has roots in lutheranism and not hinduism.

    The same point probably applies to many americans.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 2:10 am
    andrew155

    Sorry man, but Norway doesn`t have a state religion anymore!
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 2:18 am
    CrakrJak

    Actually america was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom, as they were being given a "hard time" for not attending/following the church of Engeland. (a rather hard time) Hence the freedom of religion etc etc.
    As for your other claim that 75% are cristians. there is a slight, just slight differnce in saying you are christian, and actualy being one.

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    Modwain Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 4:02 am
    i always have to wonder thoug. some say one country under god, therefor that god must be real or the country is not. but, and this is the funny thing, it does not specify which god, considering god is a title, not a name. but if, lets say, the christian god is ment, then this god, the god of the monotheistic religions, is also ther jewish god and the muslim god. i mean, there may be arguments about how the faiths may be woven, but there is no argument that this is all the same god. And that begs the following question to be asked. Why do americans pray to the same god as saudi`s, isrealites, afghans and well, basicly every one god religions..

    If someone can name a one god religion that has big following but isnt the one god of judism, christianity and muslim faits, i am most willing to listen. because i truly believe there is but one faith that holds one god
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:17 am
    HG: The source of my 75% Christian statistic. Wiki

    Also, if a form is anonymous, why would the respondent care about looking bad?

    And didn`t you chastise me just a few months ago for injecting the related personal experience of friends/family as being specious? Now you are doing it.

    Your guile and venom toward God is evident. You aren`t an atheist, you`re an anti-theist. You`re angry at God for something in your past and want to take out your hate on every Christian.

    You deliberately chose a nickname that you knew would be provocative and irksome. You deliberately troll Christians, like myself. Then when you know you`ve crossed the line, you claim naivety to your offenses.

    The term "Snake In The Grass" doesn`t even begin to describe your crass behavior here at IAB.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:19 am
    @HolyGod: "Bull-F.ucking-S.hit"
    Here`s a clue: Fact F.ucking Check!

    Joshua Project

    It doesn`t `direct link` so you have to: Select "Country: USA"
    Click the "Religions" box below the map.
    77.5% "Chriatian (of various varieties).

    Facts > rhetoric.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:22 am
    I think I love her! Laughed my butt off!
    But, seriously, while this is certainly a nation in which a majority of the population identifies themselves as Christians, it isn`t a "Christian Nation" since federal governmental regulations do not, never have had the right to, and were specifically enacted by the Founders to avoid the favoring of any religious belief, or lack thereof, over any other.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:24 am
    The term "Snake In The Grass" doesn`t even begin to describe (@HolyGod`s) crass behavior here at IAB.

    Amen! "Crass" is a -very- polite term @CrakrJak :-) I would have used a few nastier ones...
    Bonus point for "taking the high road".
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:35 am
    CrakrJak,
    "I believe the quotes below are substantive evidence that America was founded in Christian belief."
    Those quotes may indicate the personal beliefs of the quoted but still do nothing to change the fact that this nation was not founded to be a Christian nation. Remember also that "Christian Principles" are founded, to a large extent, on the Ten Commandments which, as I recall, were given to a Jew and furthered by the teachings of someone who was what?...oh, yeah, another Jew! Personally, I`m an atheist but I still manage not to steal or kill, etc. (Sometimes not killing some A.H. is tough, though, I admit!)
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:57 am
    Yeah keep fooling yourselves neocons. The principles you cite are entirely secular ones adopted by cultures and religions alike across the globe because they enhance the well being of men and women alike. The only thing "christian" about America is demographics, that`s it.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 7:03 am
    Wow...who would have thought this would have sparked a religious debate. Such a surprise!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 8:02 am
    The only thing "christian" about America is demographics, that`s it.
    @Cajun247: Um, yeah? That`s by design correct? Isn`t that EXACTLY what your Founding Fathers wanted?
    To have a nation BASED ON VALUES but free from one overbearing religious viewpoint.

    Smart fellows those Founding Fathers!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 8:14 am
    Um, yeah? That`s by design correct?

    No it was by circumstance. The religious composition at the time would`ve had little to no bearing on the drafting of the Constitution, it would`ve had little impact on the text of the Declaration of Independence but none on its substance.
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 8:16 am
    Stupid.
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 8:17 am
    Still bored.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 8:35 am
    Cajun: "The religious composition at the time would`ve had little to no bearing on the drafting of the Constitution"

    Au Contraire, The religious composition at the time of our nations founding had A LOT of bearing on the drafting of the constitution. Especially the 1st amendment and to lesser degrees the 4th, 5th, 8th and 9th amendments.

    Those amendments have direct correlations with many Christian tenets. Examples: "Thou shall not steal" = the government can`t steal from you. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" = Right to trial and to face one`s accusers who are under oath. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" = No cruel or unusual punishments. Etc.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 13, 2013 at 9:42 am
    Modwain

    Sikhism. A monotheism that does not follow the god of Abraham. Sikhs believe that there is one god, but don`t claim much more than that; they don`t assign a gender or any other characteristics, their texts are not revealed but more philosphical discourses on what constitutes a good way of living.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 13, 2013 at 9:51 am
    It is my understanding that the Founding Fathers introduced seperation of Church and State because they had seen what happens when christian sects get the upper hand over other christian sects; things got gruesome.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 10:09 am
    @CrakrJak

    "Thou shall not steal" = the government can`t steal from you

    Applies to citizens as well, and punishments for theft were codified in Ancient Roman Law and the Code of Hammurabi.

    "Thou shalt not bear false witness" = Right to trial and to face one`s accusers who are under oath"

    Also found in other cultures as well.

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" = No cruel or unusual punishments.

    When this concept was first codified in English law it had more to do with how the courts of England had broad discretionary power in prescribing punishments. Regardless of culture eventually someone was going to place that restriction on government.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Cajun: Just because some previous societies had a few elements of Judeochristian law, doesn`t exclude Christian values being included into our constitution.

    It doesn`t matter who had some elements of democracy and law first, America put them all together into a democratic republic codified by a constitution that still stands today.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 11:18 am
    CrakrJak

    "The source of my 75% Christian statistic."

    I`m not arguing the stat. I`m aware of the stat. I just don`t believe it. Saying you are a christian and ACTUALLY being one are totally different.

    "Also, if a form is anonymous, why would the respondent care about looking bad?"

    Because it is habit to just say "christian" if that is how you were raised. Hell, I used to.

    "Now you are doing it."

    I used it as an example to show that not everyone who checks the box actually is.

    "Your guile and venom toward God is evident."

    Guile means cunning and crafty, so thank you.

    My venom is not at God. My venom is at stupidity and ignorance, those just happen to be requisites for the religious.

    " You`re angry at God "

    I`m not angry at god any more than you are angry at Thor or Zues.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 11:25 am
    CrakrJak

    "You deliberately troll Christians, like myself"

    Trolling is saying something SPECIFICALLY to anger someone. I say these things because I believe them. If that makes you angry fine, but it doesn`t make me a troll anymore than you being a right wing nut job angering me makes you a troll.

    I don`t think you are a real Christian anyways. Christians follow the teachings of Christ. Loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, helping the poor.

    You support war, and guns, and shooting someone who threatens you, and getting rid of social programs that help the poor.

    Just because you believe the fairy tales you were brainwashed with as a child doesn`t mean you live your live accordingly. From what I can tell you don`t.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 11:35 am
    CrakrJak

    "Examples: "Thou shall not steal" = the government can`t steal from you. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" = Right to trial and to face one`s accusers who are under oath. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" = No cruel or unusual punishments. Etc."

    Sure. But can we admit that there are probably ten times more rules in the bible that AREN`T laws than rules in the bible that are?

    Look at the 10 commandments. If we were founded as a "Christian Nation" don`t you think the ten big rules from the bible would have been made laws? However, only 3 out of 10 were.

    If biblical rules translated into present day laws everyone in a polyester shirt would be thrown in jail.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    doesn`t exclude Christian values being included into our constitution.

    I never said that, rather the same values are NOT exclusive to Judeochristian tradition.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    Cajun247

    "the same values are NOT exclusive to Judeochristian tradition"

    I know right? They think Christianity INVENTED not killing and not stealing, as if those laws didn`t predate Christianity by thousands of years.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    HG: "I say these things because I believe them."

    Bullsh|t! You say them to be inflammatory and troll Christians. Just like the codswallop you typed about not believing I`m Christian.

    You really can`t help yourself from being a troll can you? Is that vile snarkiness prerequisite for being an atheist or is it ingrained in your DNA?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    CrakrJak

    "Bullsh|t! You say them to be inflammatory and troll Christians."

    So you are an expert on my beliefs now? Everything I say about religion are my beliefs about religion. Does that make me a troll because you disagree?

    You think liberals are morons. When you express that view are you TROLLING liberals? I don`t think so.

    "like the codswallop you typed about not believing I`m Christian"

    You SAY you are Christian, but do you honestly believe you are doing your best to live your life according to the teachings of Christ? I can tell you right now that SEVERAL of the views you express on here are completely incompatible with Christ`s teachings.

    Ghandi said it best:

    "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    HG: "So you are an expert on my beliefs now?"

    As expert as you are on mine.

    "You think liberals are morons."

    I`ve not called all liberals morons, you however are a prime example.

    "SEVERAL of the views you express on here are completely incompatible with Christ`s teachings."

    Just because I don`t have Christ`s patience for dealing with idiots like you doesn`t mean I`m not a Christian. Besides, you`re no expert on the subject anyways.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    They think Christianity INVENTED not killing and not stealing,
    Oh @HolyGod! DO tells us MORE about what OTHER people believe!

    Hypocrite, troll.

    I`m not arguing the stat. I`m aware of the stat. I just don`t believe it. Saying you are a christian and ACTUALLY being one are totally different.

    Let`s see: You`re "Not" arguing against that?
    Liar.

    Judging others based on YOUR beliefs, not (you know) facts or evidence?
    Hypocrite.

    It is my understanding that the Founding Fathers introduced seperation of Church and State because they had seen what happens when christian sects get the upper hand over other christian sects

    @LordJim: Now THAT I agree with 100%!

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    Crakr

    "I don`t have Christ`s patience for dealing with idiots like you doesn`t mean I`m not a Christian"

    Patience is not why you are a Christian.

    You are not a Christian because you are a hawk.
    Because you want to take help away from the poor.
    Because you want the rich to have more money.
    Because you think Zimmerman had the right to kill Treyvon.
    Because you think everyone should have guns.
    Because you want to get rid of organizations and regulations that protect the environment.

    Christ was an ultra liberal hippy that preached helping the poor, peace, forgiveness, protecting the environment, unconditional love, and pacifism. You, or at least the things you say on here, are the opposite of Christ.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    I can tell you right now that SEVERAL of the views you express on here are completely incompatible with Christ`s teachings.

    Oh? Is that a FACT @HolyGod? You speak with Christ on a daily basis? Jehovah? Perhaps Mary?
    ...OR is this YOUR OPINION?

    Can you make comments in a thread without proving yourself to be the biggest troll and/or hypocrite on IAB? ANY thread?

    I think (my opinion!) not!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:21:23 PM

    He cross-posted proof of what I was saying. Thanks! Case closed.

    "Mat 12:36 - I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter;"

    "Mat 22:21 - Then He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar`s, and to God the things that are God`s.""

    Luk 20:25 - "He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar`s, and to God the things that are God`s.""

    Things Jesus, you know, actually said...
    Environmentalism? Gun controls? Self defence? Which version of The Bible you been reading, boy?

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    HG: "You are not a Christian because you are a hawk."

    Just because I want to protect our country and it`s freedoms doesn`t make me a "hawk". Peace is kept through superior firepower, not weakness. That`s fact, not hawkishness.

    "Because you want to take help away from the poor."

    Far from it, I am poor, likely one of the poorest people on IAB. I just want that help to be used wisely and not wasted on paying for some 20yr. old`s contraception.

    "Because you want the rich to have more money."

    I don`t believe in the class struggle, communist/socialist marxism that you do. I don`t envy the rich.
    "Because you think Zimmerman had the right to kill Treyvon."

    Self defense is everyone`s right.

    "Because you think everyone should have guns."

    NO, emphatically not, felons and the mentally ill should not have guns.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    "Because you want to get rid of organizations and regulations that protect the environment."

    I want to keep faceless bureaucrats from discriminating against businesses and farmers with no oversight or consequences when they are in the wrong.

    Once again you misrepresent my opinions and try to change the subject because you have no defense for your continued trolling.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    Huge freakin hands.. whoa.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    Peace is kept through superior firepower, not weakness.

    No hawktard, peace is kept through trade and voluntary transactions transcending national boundaries. Peace is NOT enforced at the end of a gun, that`s a fact.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    Crakr

    "Peace is kept through superior firepower, not weakness. That`s fact, not hawkishness"

    You think the actions our military takes is in defense of our country? Vietnam? Korea? Iraq?

    Our military bases all over the world?

    I have no problem with a strong defense to defend your country. Once you LEAVE your country it is OFFENSE you simpleton.

    If you think that the only way to have peace is with a strong military that is constantly at war then I guess Switzerland must get taken over by invading forces on a weekly basis.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm
    Cajun: "Peace is NOT enforced at the end of a gun.."

    Yeah, that`s why our on-duty police go around unarmed right?

    HG: "Once you LEAVE your country it is OFFENSE you simpleton."

    Not true at all, we can`t afford to return to isolationism. We trade internationally and that trade needs to be protected. We`ve protected international trade and law since we fought pirates off the Barbary coast in the 1700`s.

    We are part of NATO and the UN and welcomed in most all countries that we have bases in.

    We were asked to go to South Vietnam, The UN was asked by the South Koreans for help, Most Iraqis welcomed us when we came and overthrew Saddam.

    Just like many Libyans asked for our help and the Syrians are asking us for help now.

    Btw, Switzerland does have a strong military and military service is mandatory. Their military and their country`s terrain have kept them safe.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2013 at 7:26 pm
    Crakr

    "Btw, Switzerland does have a strong military and military service is mandatory. Their military and their country`s terrain have kept them safe."

    Yes they do. You are missing the second part of my statement "... that is constantly at war". How much do you see Switzerland invading other countries?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2013 at 10:49 pm
    "... that is constantly at war"
    @HolyGod: Since you ADDED THAT to what he said? He has no requirement to "defend it".

    You do know where the "Barbary Coast" is, right? Hint: It`s NOT in North America...

    You do know when it happened, why it happened, how France, England & others just ignored "the problem" since it was cheaper for them to "pay off" the criminals...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 14, 2013 at 7:22 am
    Yeah, that`s why our on-duty police go around unarmed right?

    That`s why they go around armed with sidearms keeping their shotguns in the car, as opposed to assault rifles, machine guns, bazookas et cetera.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 14, 2013 at 8:01 am
    Syrians are asking us for help now

    The "rebels" you refer to are a collection of very diverse factions that are actually fighting each other for power. None of which we`d want to partner with for ANY reason.

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 14, 2013 at 8:03 am
    We were asked to go to South Vietnam,

    Which came from an incredibly incompetent government inherited from the final years of Bao Dai regime. No amount of intervention would save it. We were under no obligation to help.

    The UN was asked by the South Koreans for help,

    They would`ve gotten help without our involvement.

    Most Iraqis welcomed us when we came and overthrew Saddam.

    Three years later, they wanted us out. Similarly after we ended British rule we did not want the French hanging around in our borders. Additionally we had no need to get involved in the first place

    Just like many Libyans asked for our help

    Which led to more problems than we fixed, to which the Benghazi incident was merely a taste.

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