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Date: 06/25/13 09:47 AM

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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2013 at 9:48 am
    Link: Harm-Reduction Policy Curbs Drug Use, Risks - Vancouver`s drug policy (treating it as a health/addiction issue instead of criminal) works.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 10:01 am
    Of course we could just end this racist madness known as the "War on Drugs". Instead inform people about what they`re putting into their bodies and they`d know what to expect.

    Still, it`s a step in the right direction.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2013 at 10:13 am
    "Instead inform people about what they`re putting into their bodies and they`d know what to expect."

    Right, because people who shoot heroin and huff paint thinner are doing it because they didn`t know it wasn`t healthy.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7618 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 10:17 am
    Of course it bloody works! If various governments and other group were not making money hand over fist this stupid `war on Drugs` would be over at once- because it causes more harm than it prevents,
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 10:26 am
    And guess what, Japan and Taiwan`s approach also works. IT`S ALMOST LIKE THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAY TO DO THE SAME THING! The difference is that a significant portion of their populations aren`t stoned on a weekly basis and they don`t have drug deaths that far outpace gun deaths.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 10:40 am
    The War on Drugs is a travesty.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 10:41 am
    And yet our glorious leader Harper has his cabinet doing everything in it`s power to keep safe injection sites from opening in our major cities.

    At the very least if they won`t open these sites punt some money into our mental health system.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2013 at 10:47 am
    Right, because people who shoot heroin and huff paint thinner are doing it because they didn`t know it wasn`t healthy.

    Well they choose to be ignorant then they pay the price for it. If the relatives don`t approve then they should step in, not government.
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    drips Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2013 at 10:49 am
    Abstinence-only programs are ridiculous. People like doing things that feel good (drugs, sex). Fat chance of changing that.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2013 at 11:18 am
    In summary, its authors added, the present study suggests that increasing needle and syringe program availability does not appear to contribute to delayed cessation of injection drug use.

    In addition, drug trends are shifting, with fewer (persons who use drugs) injecting illicit drugs and a larger proportion smoking crack cocaine.

    ---

    We must analyze the above before we declare victory.

    Firstly, they don`t seem to give a reason why safe needles lead to a decline, they just observed a trend. I want to see the causation.

    Secondly, most things that happen in a society happen regardless of minor alterations in public policy. Example, Cocaine big in the 80`s. LSD was big in the 60`s and recently. These should really just be attributed to society`s fads, I would hate to see a reduction in one drug be attributed to something unrelated but going on at the same time.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 11:20 am
    "If the relatives don`t approve then they should step in, not government."

    People deep into hard drugs have usually burnt all ties to people who truly care about them. You are ignoring how many homeless people are drug addicts. THAT`S who need gov intervention, not only for themselves but mostly to keep the rest of us safe from their crazy behavior and the crimes they commit to get money for more drugs.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 11:22 am
    Absolutely absurd... Everyone KNOWS that, without the war on drugs, per-capita drug use would have exploded instead of remaining constant over the years. Even though it`s a completely untestable, unfounded statement, COMMON SENSE says it`s true.

    The obvious path going forward is to transfer more control to the federal government because they are the ones looking out for us. It`s unfathomable to consider that greedy corporate hospitals are the appropriate treatment facilities as opposed to the beneficent government-backed prison systems.

    Even if it takes TRILLIONS of dollars, isn`t it worth it to try and save a human life? I cannot be convinced that any amount of money is worth a human life.

    DISCLAIMER: This is sarcasm. If you were unable to determine that this was sarcasm prior to this disclaimer, you should reconsider using the internets.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2013 at 11:24 am
    "Well they choose to be ignorant then they pay the price for it. If the relatives don`t approve then they should step in, not government."

    What about the people they steal from to support their addiction? And what if they don`t have anymore family or the family are druggies too? What about the people they crash their cars into? For one hardcore druggie the whole area pays the price.

    I could care less about pot maybe even cocaine, but I`ve found too many of those little white bottles of methadone in wrecked cars. Freaking Johns Hopkins passes those things out like candy.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 11:31 am
    @richanddead

    We can still prosecute them for those crimes. But as (almost) everyone else here knows the Federal government has caused FAR more problems interfering with people`s choices (including the problems you`ve cited).
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3523 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    "We can still prosecute them for those crimes."

    But you can`t bring back dead people or destroyed lives. I definitely do not support how the gov does their job or the sanctions they put on people afterward, but between government interference and the masses of victims of drugs, I`ll take government interference. I think it needs reform but not full on retreat. If you`re out in the boonies alone and unable to harm anyone fine, you`re the only one who suffers. But most are in the cities, and it is the honest residents around them that pay the price and that goes for legal drugs too, like booze. They just destroy lives, families, and the communities, indifferent of the actions then taken by the gov.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    @richanddead

    I think you miss Cajun`s point. While it`s nice to consider laws and policies "if only" they had been done differently, the fact of the matter is that they weren`t.

    Rather than saying "well we want the government to intervene just not how they are now," he`s saying "look how incapable the government is at intervening."

    Even if the government could prevent some drug-related crime (debatable), coercive criminals represent a small fraction of the drug-using population; they are the exception rather than the rule. Should we make laws for the exception, or for the rule?

    I think there are two points here:

    1. The government is wholly incapable of intervening sensibly and morally; and,
    2. Any intervention would punish the majority to prevent the overwhelming minority from committing crimes that are considered illegal via other laws already (theft, murder).
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    @lauriloo

    If cities and counties want free clean needle programs then that should be their prerogative. I think it`s insane for state and federal govts to criminalize them. On top of which like I say if the government didn`t make illegal and instead regulated said substances like alcohol we wouldn`t have such drug problems.
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    masmas Male 30-39
    56 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    From my perspective, giving away free needles and syringes is just the first step. In our city we have designated places where the addicts are allowed to use the drugs. This has multiple benefits: there is no use of hard drugs in the street, the addicts are supplied with the necessary utilities and social workers can approach them in a safe environment. Also there are governmental methadone programs where users get free methadone and treatment as long as they stay of (a certain group of) drugs.
    I doubt that this program reduces the number of users but their decriminalization was imo the best way to face the fact that there are people who do drugs no matter what.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
    1216 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    Knwoing these types of things, nobody is going to care, and stay in the failure of a system. Just check out the Finnish educational system, that is the best in the world yet nobody gives a poo about it. And the prison system in Norway, which has proven itself successful, yet nobody gives a rat`s ass.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    Does anyone here actually think that our drug laws are intended to reduce harm to individuals or society?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 11:20 pm
    Teh Stupid! It BURNS!!!

    While I completely support an END to the "War On Drugs" this "babysitting" approach is just plain STUPID and counter-productive. Period!

    Is it any wonder that junkies from across Canada GO TO VANCOUVER to get:
    Cheap heroine
    Free Government Drugs

    It`s a fact! Junkies are junkies! No "Government Program" is going to do SQUAT about that!
    Period!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    June 25, 2013 at 11:27 pm
    If you were unable to determine that this was sarcasm prior to this disclaimer, you should reconsider using the internets.
    I KNEW there was a reason I like you @HumanAction!
    *rubs cheek against @HA*

    Note: This is a "cat thing"! And is not in ANY way homosexual!!!!
    A male cat can rub his cheek against another male cat... it`s perfectly natural!
    NOT gay!
    Not that I worry about such things...
    (In case you haven`t "clued in" by now? I`m making a funny here...)
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 26, 2013 at 5:38 am
    While I completely support an END to the "War On Drugs" this "babysitting" approach is just plain STUPID and counter-productive. Period!
    So it`s babysitting to attempt to reduce the spread of infectious disease? They`ve also noted a decrease in people injecting, and if you had bothered to read the link, you would also have seen how "the fear that having a safer place to inject keeps people on the needle longer is unfounded."
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
    1467 posts
    June 26, 2013 at 6:31 am
    It`s getting all Hamsterdam in here.

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