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58 Responses to Electronic Musicians Are Talentless?

  1. Profile photo of Corydoras87
    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:07 am
    Link: Electronic Musicians Are Talentless? - Especially for McGovern1981, who thinks electronic music doesn`t require talent.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:16 am
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:17 am
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:19 am
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:30 am
    No, no, it`s RAP that doesn`t require any musical talent whatsoever.

    Get it straight.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:57 am
    @BoredFrank

    This is also true! Now back to me memes I could do this all day!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 10:57 am
    Corydoras87

    McGovern likes to make fun of things he can`t do like making electronic music or composing an intelligent thought. Its just a defense mechanism for copious shortcomings and inadequacies, much like collecting guns. It is just basic psychology, which of course he doesn`t understand. So his response is meme pics. Ignore him as you would a child kicking and screaming at the store because he wants some candy.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:02 am
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:06 am
    McGovern likes to make fun of things he can`t do like making electronic music or composing an intelligent thought.
    Ya I use an instrument called a bass guitar instead of playing the play button..... Although I haven`t played it in awhile.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:06 am
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Looking like Skrillz brother isn`t helping the argument.... Go on defend DJs and realize that involves sticking up for this guy too....
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:14 am
    Sorry, the sound of Transformers having an orgy played over a drum loop with the bass frequencies dimed isn`t "music" in my opinion.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:18 am
    Skrillex in 20 years.....
  14. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:18 am
    McGovern1981

    "Ya I use an instrument called a bass guitar instead of playing the play button..... "

    I play piano, relatively well, and I don`t particularly like electronic music. However I see no need to s.hit on it anymore than I feel the need to s.hit on other things I don`t like such as NASCAR or the Kardashians.

    Making fun of Skrillex is no different than the old men who hated tupac or the old men before that who hated nirvana or the old men before that who hated van halen or the old men before that who hated the beatles, etc.

    Just seems like a total and complete waste of time.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:37 am
    than I feel the need to s.hit on other things I don`t like such as NASCAR or the Kardashians.
    Now wheres fun in that those are great to s**t on!
    Making fun of Skrillex is no different than the old men who hated tupac
    Tupac....mmmm yep still not making a case.
  16. Profile photo of BoredFrank
    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:47 am
    One doesn`t have to be old to think Tupac`s `music` was merely noise.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Just seems like a total and complete waste of time.
  18. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    I`ve been playing music since I was 10 (I`m 42 now). I started a local band when I was 16 and started playing in clubs on the weekends. In 1989 I went on the road, full time. I played 6 nights a week (traveling on the 7th day), 12 months a year. We had Christmas off and a one week break, once a year; other than that, we were playing.

    I played full time for seven years until 96 when I came off the road. At that time, I began to teach music and play on weekends in a local band and also do some studio work for other bands.

    I can play guitar, bass, drums, keyboards and a whole myriad of other instruments. I can also sing. All of those instruments took years to learn and even more years to master. I learned styles from blues and jazz to reggae and classical.

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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    So...for all intents and purposes, I KNOW music. One thing I can say for sure is, That crap is not music. There is a big difference between having the talent to string together sounds on a computer in a fashion that is appealing and actual being a musician.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    @patchouly

    Yep I`d pay to see Skrillex try to keep a beat on an actual instrument without the aid of a Mac.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    He needs to lay off the caffeine. Just sayin`.
  22. Profile photo of Corydoras87
    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    Macgovern, obviously you haven`t managed to grasp the message of the video.. he does not need to play an "actual instrument" (what is that by the way, if I put a metal wire on a frame, have I created an instrument that you approve of?) in order to perform and create his music. Sit Jimi Hendrix in front of Reason (the program) and he will come up with something that sounds like a 90s monotone ringtone.

    Just because you don`t like the music (I don`t particularly either) doesn`t mean that there are no skills involved. Those skills are not the same as you need to play a guitar (except having a sense of rythm), so at best you can say "Skrillex has no guitar playing skills" which I would probably agree with, however, playing the guitar is not the ultimate proof of universal skill, since there is no such thing.

    In short, creating electronic music well is just as hard as creating classical or rock music well, and doing one doesn`t mean that you have to be
  23. Profile photo of Corydoras87
    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    - good at the other.
  24. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    Corydoras87:
    "In short, creating electronic music well is just as hard as creating classical or rock music well"
    ------

    Not even close. If you have a sense of rhythm and timing, you can sit down with the software and sampled sounds and learn to create a song in hours.

    Comparatively, if you have a sense of rhythm and timing and you can sit down with a real instrument (guitar, bass, drums, piano, flute, saxophone etc. etc. etc.) and learn to play it in about a year.

    Can you see the difference?
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    Pinkminx22 Female 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    I don`t think I have ever listened to shrillex..I don`t even know what it is.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    McGovern1981

    "I`d pay to see Skrillex try to keep a beat on an actual instrument"

    OK

    tinyurl.com/lhr6fmk

    I can take PayPal BTW.

    You know he was lead guitarist and then lead singer in a moderately successful band before he left and got into electronic music right? No? Of course not because that would imply you knowing what you were talking about.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    My issue is with the comments such as "that guy is a really talented musician!" in reference to electronic music.

    Truth is, probably 50% of the people out there have some degree of timing and musical understanding. Being able to put sound effects in order does not mean they are "talented" and certainly does not make them "musicians".

    If you love that style, by all means, listen to it and enjoy it. I have no problems with that at all, but don`t sully what real musicians do by clumping these guys into the same group as us.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    It takes talent to produce electronic music. There`s no denying that. But as somebody with over 20 years of professional experience performing music I can safely poo poo this guy`s thinking that he`s on par with the real deal.
  29. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    @HolyGod

    I can`t tell he`s playing the sound is like someone farting through a subwoofer!

    He should stick to mouse solos!
  30. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    McGovern1981

    "I can`t tell he`s playing the sound is like someone farting through a subwoofer!"

    It is on a cell phone at a Korn concert. What do you want it to sound like? The point is the guy was a professional guitarist in a successful band. I`m pretty f.ucking sure he can keep a beat on a real instrument.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    @Holy
    Or he could be pretending to play it like...

    The fact that it`s Korn and I played bass for a bit isn`t helping either considering they use the bass as a 2nd drum. Enjoy what you want though but that dosen`t mean they`re a musical genius.
  32. Profile photo of SavageChef
    SavageChef Female 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    You know, even his grandma turns off her hearing aids when she sees his lips moving.
  33. Profile photo of ferdyfred
    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 2:47 pm
    Nope real thing still takes a hell of lot more talent
  34. Profile photo of CynicalGamer
    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2013 at 2:51 pm
    His position is electronic based "musicians" actually have talent because a laymen can`t use the program. Let`s sit him in front of real instruments and see how far he gets. The argument that A is right because of B isn`t correct in this respect.
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    BritInvasion Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 2:51 pm
    What now? Cat plays fetch
  36. Profile photo of godthaab
    godthaab Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    Arguement #1. If it does take you years to produce a track, you ain`t no musician. You are wanking "until it sounds good".
  37. Profile photo of Corydoras87
    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm
    patchouly, clearly you have no idea what you are talking about if you dismiss it as "stringing sound effects together"... I could say the same thing about a guitar or piano player.. everybody can string together musical notes.. when I was 8 in school I scribbled some random notes on music paper and my music teacher played them on the piano and it sounded half way ok.
    This is not what producing electronic music is about.

    It is about bringing the harmonics together, bringing your own style into it and putting emotion into it. You can do this in electronic music by changing all the kinds of different sliders and manipulating how the "sound effect" as you call it actually sounds in the end.

    As a Piano player you do this by, I don`t know, drating around with the pedals or as a guitar player you do this by wobbling the string when playing a note or whatever.

    Being a musicial in either case is not just arranging musical notes.
  38. Profile photo of Corydoras87
    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 3:40 pm
    additionally:

    Yes you can learn how to use the program within some hours..
    Yes you can learn how to hold a guitar and how to pluck a sting within a few minutes!

    but actually learning how to do it WELL takes a lot of practice and patience.

    Unfortunately your arguments are just full of prejudice and governed by your musical machism (i.e. "what I don`t like can`t be good", belief in the superiority of your own kind)
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    rickwhite Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm
    This place is awesome.

    1) Give an opinion.
    2) Someone troll on that muthafudgeka
    3) Contrarian flame activate!
    4) Meme meme meme
    5) youtube video
    6) if you don`t like what I like, you are dumb.
    7) No! You are dumb.
    8) Ha ha ha! I bet you voted for Obama!
    9) Tinfoil hat!
    10) My snarky quips are smarter than yours.

    Fin.


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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
    If it`s like a video game.. I`ve played it for 14 years or more and haven`t beaten it yet.
  41. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 5:12 pm
    @Corydoras: WOW! Excellent video!

    He makes sense is fun & funny, and there`s a cat!

    Plus it`s true: playing "electronic music" is just the same as ANY other instrument. One could argue more successfully that any instrument not played live is crappy too. ie: ANY form of recording.

    Embersreich Not their best song, or the best sound quality, but it reflects their "work" :-)

    Synergy 1976. Larry Fast`s "S-Scape"

    Jean Michell Jarre "Les Chants Magnetiques" (Magnetic Fields)
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    erikthevikin Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    The more he talks he is swaying me in a direction. Electronica needs a different spokesman. I`m still indifferent for now, but the whole thing seems pretty flat to me. All talent aside.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 5:24 pm
    @patchouly: Yo! What was your band`s name? I`m ever so curious! My ex- was into the "Canadian Music Scene" (sort of) around that time.

    Sure, anyone can sit at a computer and "make a song" but will it be any good? I could learn how to write sheet music for piano but that wouldn`t make me Mozart, eh?

    I constantly "think up" songs, tunes, riffs & etc but lack ANY talent on instrument, PC or writing :-(
    I have lots of respect for anyone who can play any instrument. Sing and play at the same time? :gasp: :faint:
  44. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    Ooo! Lookie what I found!

    Embersreich Free Download!
    Movement #1 is (IMHO) easily their BEST song! Download and listen! It`s not on YouTube or anywhere else I looked, but it`s here. :-)
    Movement #3 is also good, everything I`ve heard them do is good...
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    where can i find the built in tutorial on my guitar?
  46. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    Ok lets be real here, Can he truly say every sample he uses in his method is completely original and crafted from nothing more than his own imagination? I am willing to bet he`s downloaded a clip or two. No different than picking up a Metallica song book, riffing out and then calling yourself an`artist`... 2nd it is still music but when I say it lacks soul I mean its one guy controlling every instrument...not the same as ten guys all putting in a portion and working together to create something badass. the music is fine...its the douchy `artists` that give them a bad name.... 3rd.. because 1 guy synthes` it all from 1 station its cost efficient running traditional musicians out of business..
  47. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    @Dead_Kittens: May I present: Mike Oldfield Hergest Ridge Part 1 (My personal favorite of his works!)

    An instrumentalist who plays everything you hear (except when his sister helps out...)
    You might know him better from the movie theme The Exorcist.

    Tubular Bells I (part 1) It`s also brilliant!

    Enya also does all her own instrumentation and back-up singing too...

    Orinoco Flow

    Why do I belabor this point? Because without the modern recording technology? These would be impossible. Same for "electronic music" eh?

    Now: Go download Embersreich! It takes 6 secon
  48. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 7:31 pm
    6 Seconds!
    Click "free download"
    Select "Save... save as" from the pop-up at the bottom of your screen
    Save & listen!

    Any "recorded" sound isn`t "real", right? It has to "lose something" when transferred from medium to medium to medium. It`s just a fact. BUT that doesn`t make recorded music LESS musical, eh?

    (It`s 6X mediums actually: Origional Sound, Microphone, Recording Device, Physical Record, Playback Device, Speakers)

    The Medium IS the Message! Massage? Whatevers!

    (Note: Digital recordings still have a "physical record" made of ROM, eh?)
  49. Profile photo of jimbobsthebe
    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm
    Writing electronic music is a bit like writing classical music. Expect you also have to create/modify every single instrument in the orchestra. Don`t get me wrong, I`m not saying it`s more difficult then writing classical music, I`m just saying it also requires talent.

    Now you have those that will compare a band to an electronic artist. Well, again this is different. That would be like me saying, who has more talent? The classical composer or the musicians in the orchestra?

    Strumming come chords on a guitar is easy. But then you have your Jimmy Hendrixes. Producing this is easy... producing this on the other hand is not.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 11, 2013 at 11:43 pm
    @jimbobsthebest: (I assume that`s your full name!)
    You make an excellent point: A violinist who plays a Mozart tune? Is he talented or just a robot?

    Creating music and playing music are, indeed, TWO separate things! At least for most humans.

    You two examples are highly appropriate! One is "meh" and the other is "pretty darn good" :-)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 4:15 am
    Electronic music sucks because they steal samples of other people`s talented playing. I`ve played around with several music programs, midi files, wav editors, etc. You can download millions of pre-cut, pre-tuned wav files and make a decent song in about an hour, assuming you have any creativity at all.

    The learning curve on the software does stifle and confuse the uninitiated, and sure most people would give up after 15 minutes, but that`s not a measure of talent, that`s a measure of patience.

    Are electronic musicians creative? Yes. Talented? No, not so much.

    I have far more respect for musicians that actually play an instrument and do it well. Playing 4-8 notes on an instrument and pressing the repeat button is not talent.
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    jay Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 4:39 am
    Music is music. It takes time to write, record and produce no matter what genre. I fancy myself a musician and I write mostly electronic music...I use a lot of electronic gear like synths, sequencers and samplers (I like to sample myself hitting random stuff with some drumsticks for percussion), but I also play guitar, bass, drums, a little harmonica and plan to take up violin next. It`s been my experience that many electronic musicians are multi talented. To finish any song requires: writing, performing, recording and producing. An electronic musician tends to do all this themself! And believe me, there`s a reason that most bands bring in a producer and/or sound engineer to help record and produce their albums. Production work requires a creative mind that is able to work analytically. While I admit that not all electronic musicians find their way out from a computer often enough, it can still take time, and talent to finish a song...I`ve spent hours composing pieces on just my iPad!
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    jay Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2013 at 5:09 am
    Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:03:46 AM
    [email protected]

    Not all electronic musicians sample other people`s work or use presets...As I explained below, I use a sampler, but I sample myself playing a piece, or banging on something. Even still there is nothing necessarily wrong with sampling something from another work. I miss the good old days before all the legalities got in the way, and musicians could readily sample lines of dialogue from movies or TV, creating a sort of soundtrack.

    The truth of the matter is that ANY sample cannot be used in music today without the expressed permission of its "owner".

    And I would remind you as well that Band/Rock music is not immune to "stealing" riffs, or copying a song. There have been many court cases that have made just those accusations.
  54. Profile photo of jimbobsthebe
    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2013 at 5:51 am
    @CrakrJak - I assume you are just trolling here or being sarcastic in order to prove the ignorance of those who don`t believe electronic artists have talent.

    However, if not, I fully welcome you to post some of the `half decent` music you`ve made for us all to judge.

    @5cats - Yes, regretably that is my nickname 0.o Also, I didn`t want to discredit the skill of the violinist. It takes a great deal of talent and practice to play an instrument well. It just should be noted that people take this for granted when listening to something electronic. However, all of these notes/chords/sounds have been engineered to sound the way the artist wants them to. Staccato, crescendo... whatever, it`s something that a musician will play, but a producer must create.
  55. Profile photo of jimbobsthebe
    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2013 at 5:59 am
    It`s one of those topics that can be very frustrating for producers. The truth of the matter is most people have no idea the level of work that it takes to create a decent sounding electronic song. People assume it`s easy because they have downloaded `fruity loops` and chucked some pre-made loops together. Trust me, that isn`t fooling anyone and certainly won`t land you a record deal.

    For me a good analogy is to ask someone how to build a computer. Many people will say, `oh this is easy. You just buy the parts and slot them together.` Whilst some of us appreciate that these parts themselves are extremely intricately produced, others will refuse to recognise this and assume that they just magically appeared in a cardboard box at the electronics shop.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:05 am
    Most of the disrespect towards eletronic artists (lol, not ea...) comes from the live performances that are not so much performance than pressing "play" and wiggling few knobs. Note, i`ve used syntheziser and sequencers from circa 1988 so i might have some insight on this.

    Personally, i feel that all the parts that are suppose to get an emotional reaction, should be played live. There`s a sense of danger and the performer can react to audience, make those small details that make you feel. It`s a question of skill, good planning and balls. You play the wrong note: everyone knows it. You adjust filter cutoff 30% wrong: maybe 1 from 100 can catch that... Timbre is way "safer" than tones.

    Skrillex is one those who does primarily DJ gigs and it is BS to say he is performing his own music, he`s a DJ (not dissing real DJs, it`s a different artform). Orbital, Kraftwerk, those kinds of artists really have their hands full on stage, using techniques that ARE
  57. Profile photo of CreamK
    CreamK Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2013 at 7:10 am
    I`ve done few gigs where it was me basically fiddling with knobs and improvising on top of a backing track.. those gigs took a whole 2 hours to put together.. It was way too easy and i missed the emotional content that i couldn`t deliver. Haven`t done solo gigs after those few, i need about 6 people and ton of arsenal to get to the "real" level of communication thru music...

    If you don`t have the talent or willingness to train hard to perform live, keep it indoors. You DON`T have to be an excellent performing artist to be a good composer. Most of these successful artists that press "play" have enough resources and money to hire the capable musicians. They just choose the easy way..
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    @jimbobsthebe: It`s a fine name! I thought: "the BEE"? then I figured out that you ran out of characters. That happens a LOT at IAB... :-)

    @CreamK: *nod nod* Tangerine Dream!

    Perhaps I`m mistakenly confusing synthesizer groups with "electronic hip-hop" ?? idk... I lump them all together in the same "meta-category".

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