Why Multi-Culturalism Is An Epic Fail

Submitted by: Andrew155 3 years ago in

Boy, That Escalated Quickly
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Male 1,737
Does it ever occur to them to get up and leave the room? Seems to be straight to the violence every time. I find their attitudes and language more offensive than the video by far.

Morale of the story, get violent and you`ll get your way. (I know that`s not really it, but sure seems that way.)
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Male 12,365
[quote]Chalket and I copy pasted Your original post, so its no misquote[/quote]

There is a huge difference in meaning between describing the position of a specific political ideology (which is what 5Cats did) and claiming that position is univerally true (which is what you and Chalket wrongly claimed 5Cats did). Chalklet even went as far as editing out the word, which is definitely a misquote.
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Male 12,365
Chalklet: Are you lying or just incompetent? I`m genuinely curious.

It has been explained to you, repeatedly, that removing the key word from a definition can change the meaning completely. Are you too stupid to understand that? Are you too illiterate to be able to read it? Are you lying?

Or maybe you`re trolling. If that`s true, you`re having some degree of success because you`re making blatantly false statements about other people`s posts and that`s always annoying.

If anyone hasn`t realised what Chalklet is doing, I urge them to look at what 5Cats actually wrote, rather than what Chalket falsely claims 5Cats wrote.

5Cats` post was Monday, May 27, 2013 8:49:41 AM.

Chalklet provided the correct details and then lied about the content of the post. Well, maybe they didn`t lie. Maybe they really are that incapable of understanding simple words, even after it`s been explained to them several times.
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Male 14,332
[quote]drat Islam and all that it stands for. Muhammad is dead[/quote]

Said the little boy from Israel that support Palestine ROFL!!! Your logic is FUBAR.
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Male 7,740
Essersmith-"can you with absolute certainty say that nothing could produce a violent response from you? "

I can say with absolute certainty that there ARE things that can produce a violent response from me. I could list quite a few.

But we`re not talking about `anything`, we`re talking specifically about THIS case, which is about Freedom of Speech (IMO).

Exercising your right to be heard, even if what you say goes against everything I stand for, would not be on the list.

I would, in fact, be the person defending your right to say whatever it is, as I believe that is a basic right. (I WILL, on the other hand, reserve the right to ridicule what you say.)
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Male 219
Maggots!
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Male 1,983
Fundamentalism in any belief system is a threat to peace.

If you believe you are RIGHT and God is on your side, then there is NOTHING you will NOT do, no matter how heinous.

The only solution, Kill all Theists, let their God sort them out.
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Male 37,728
[quote]@5Cats: Thanks for explaining. I can agree with the statement now.[/quote]

Well THANK YOU @Essersmith! I do apologize for the inaccuracy of my original statement. To ME it seemed obvious, but of course OTHERS may well have VALID different opinions! :-)
(Note: This is something I say quite frequently...)

I`m very glad that:
#1 @Angilion understood it! (I respect his opinion! Really I do!)
#2 It came clear in the long run.

I honestly like the concept of "multiculturalism" since I`m a Winnipegger! But refuse to apply a double standard to... anything.

@hinker: F.Scott wrote some AMAZINGLY intelligent things... that is one of them!
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Male 37
Whenever I see people act like this I am reminded of this quote:

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

- F. Scott Fitzgerald,
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Male 275
@5Cats
Thanks for explaining. I can agree with the statement now.
Chalket and I copy pasted Your original post, so its no misquote, and Your explaination is quite different from what you wrote.

@MeGrendel
Really? can you with absolute certainty say that nothing could produce a violent response from you?
Violent being shouting or actual physical violence.
I find it hard to believe.
However I went on to agree with that I too find it hard to imagine.
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Male 359
That "Muhammad, Muhammad" chant sounds eerily like a "USA, USA" chant.
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Female 6,381
Why is it that people are most passionately unreasonable about issues of pure, baseless, belief?
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Male 39
Needed more American cops, pepper spray would have rained in there, not to mention a tazer or two for good measure. Would have made a more interesting video.
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Male 1,540
Boy this video made me a bit upset. Some people need to just chill out and not attack others based on stupid opinions.
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Male 15,832
@CJ [quote]You are also lumping every Islamic together. Have you bombed an abortion clinic lately?[/quote]
That`s about the dumbest thing I`ve read all month. For every abortion clinic bombing, there are literally THOUSANDS of Muslim terrorist bombings. Also, abortion clinic bombings occur after hours so no one will be hurt. Muslims take pride in the number if innocent people they kill, maim, and injure.

So I`ll give you another chance to answer the question. Why should we tolerate a "religion" whose basic tenet is that all non-Muslins should be converted, subjugated, or killed?
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Male 37,728
@TheGuySmiley:
#1 I agree! VLC is the BEST movie player EVER! Blows Microsoft out of the water easily!

#2 Your post offends me. It also offends Allah. Please report to the nearest Police Station and have yourself arrested for "Inciting Religious Unrest". See you in 20 years!

#3 When did you become a Canadian? I would have SWORN you were from Europe (Britian...)...

Note: My mind? It`s a terrible thing to lose. :-/
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Male 700
Top comment on Youtube "And that`s why we should remove the spiderwebs from Auschwitz and reopen it for 2nd rounds ... this time for the Muslims." well that worked well last time didn`t it.
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Male 1,243
honestly, i think the guy had it coming. he was fanning the flames, he knew what he was getting in to, he knew his audience, he could chose to click play or not, and choose to click play (looks like he was using VLC (THE BEST!!!)). besides, wasn`t this the guy who did some cartoon a few years back that got people upset?
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Male 7,740
Agent00Smith-"It is a direct attack to the faith. I would be angry as well."

Okay, but being angry does not give you a right to threathen the person how made you angry.

Attack my faith and you`ll get nothing more than `You`re an idiot.` and thereafter I`ll ignore you.

Essersmith-" showing a movie, thats wildly insulting to you as a person and everything you believe in, would have similar responses. "

Incorrect. Show me a movie that`s wildly insulting to me I`ll walk out, maybe ask for my money back and consider the people who made it idiots.

If I`m REALLY insulted, I`ll publicly announce them as idiots.

See the difference?

Essersmith-" why would anyone in that crowd, willingly go to that showing?"

To be offended and kill the guy.

I REALLY like that one guy`s logic: `He insulted me so we have to kill him. It will be his fault that we have to kill him.`
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Male 37,728


Great link @Andrew155! You should put it into the submissions...

IAB loves graphs, charts, surveys...
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Male 38,457

It`s not that difficult to comprehend. When one person ALWAYS makes an ass of themselves and ruins whatever social gathering they are at, you stop inviting them.

Now apply that on a bigger scale.
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Male 37,728
[quote]Monday, May 27, 2013 9:40:18 AM[/quote]

Thanks @Angilion! I`m glad someone at IAB knows how to read, eh?
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Male 164
muslims ruin everything
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Male 37,728
@chalket: Nasty MIS-QUOTE bro... just completely change the context of what I said, eh?

@essersmith: This is for you too. I`ve put the EXPLAINING WORDS in caps because there`s no italics at IAB...

I said:
MODERN Multiculturalism = Whites HAVE TO respect other cultures. Others DO NOT HAVE TO respect "white" culture.

Completely different than your "edited" version @chalket...

I hope that explains it @essersmith. "whites" are no better or worse at cultural respect than anyone else! BUT the Liberal Politically Correct Police only apply the "rules" to ONE side, eh?

"Multiculturalism" is found in North American and Europe ONLY! It`s the -opposite- in Asia, Africa, Central & South America...
(OK, it`s in Australia and New Zealand too...)
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Male 2,711
"NOBODY MADE THAT CLAIM" (that white cultures are somehow more respectful of other cultures)

5Cats, Monday, May 27, 2013 8:49:41 AM:
"Whites respect all other cultures.
Other cultures have NO respect at all!"

Shout all you want, Angilion, you`ll still be wrong. But then again, so was 5Cats.
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Male 723
This isn`t about multi-culteralism fail. This is about religious fanaticism and unchecked moral elitism. This is what happens when the religious are allowed to spread their delusions by force of arms and social pressure. This is the face of religious hatred and bigotry. This is what happens when folks are told they have the right and duty, handed to them personally by the arbitrary deity they were forced to grow up with, to force others to live by their primitive, iron-age based moral code.

This is what a "religion of peace" looks like.

8-) LJ
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Male 12,365
[quote]It`s a small percentage of Muslims that act like asshats but I still think its (mostly) up to the decent Muslims to correct the problem. I don`t see a lot of this happening and that`s a discouraging notion.[/quote]

Well, there are a couple of places where more moderate Muslims have gone to outright war against extremist Muslims.

There have also been some cases of more moderate Muslims grouping together to be human shields for Christians under threat from extremist Muslims. That was quite large in scale and quite organised. When they said "we live together or we die together", they really meant it.

But on the whole it`s impractical because a small number of fanatics who are eager for violence and death outweighs a larger number of civilised people who aren`t. Inquisition, Nazis, etc.
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Male 307
Pigs.
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Male 12,365
[quote]But claiming that white cultures are somehow more respectful of other cultures, is well... an opinion, but I dont believe it, and quite frankly I believe it to be a lie.[/quote]

NOBODY MADE THAT CLAIM. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON SAYING IT.

I CAN SHOUT MORE IF YOU STILL DON`T UNDERSTAND.
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Male 1,216
drat Islam and all that it stands for. Muhammad is dead.
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Male 2,578
Obviously, nothing is absolute. But if you want to know what most people from this culture believe, here is what they are willing to admit in a survey to a stranger.

The World`s Muslims

When Muslims become the majority of these countries, gay people better run. Things are going to get tough. Even "moderate" Muslims hate gay people more than Conservative American Christians.
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Male 2,516
hey, here`s another hypothesis: maybe that was the whole point of the presentation, to rile up the muslim extremists to show just how much "Freedom of speech" means there.
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Male 1,471
Judging by the speed of which it escalated to violence (about 15 seconds from it being offensive to police rushing in), and the context provided by jendrian, I`m gonna form a theory:

A large portion of the muslims in the crowd are somewhat extreme, and came to that lecture expecting there to be something like this to react violently to. That`s probably also why there were so many police officers there. Notice the guy with the hoodie trying to calm people down? In my experience, that`s how the large majority of muslims would act.

I`m not defending their actions, it was obviously unacceptable behavior. But I`m not at all convinced that their actions represent the majority in any way.
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Male 14,332
So they get offended because they think that`s porn and then chant the name of a pedofile whoos word they follow without question ROFL!!! They seem so well balanced!
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Male 3,436
Race Kerfuffle "I didn`t even know there was a difference between North and South Korean barbeque, I mean, M*A*S*H lasted longer than that war. Get over it, am I right?"
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Male 573
It`s not Multi-Culturalism at fault, it`s religion.
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Male 10,339
"But im sure showing a movie, thats wildly insulting to you as a person and everything you believe in, would have similar responses."

I seriously doubt it. Most (99.99999999999999%) Christians would leave the room. If they stayed, they wouldn`t react with violence.

Well, maybe hill people Pentecostals. I dunno. Maybe you`re right.
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Male 568
They want a snackbar with their gay porn? Isn`t that a bit much to ask from this cartoonist?

Also, why do they insist on being so drating loud? In most of the videos I see `they` insist on acting like enraged lunatics.
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Male 2,516
Here`s a bit of context on what happened

I don`t know what to think, as an immigrant I feel like if you`re moving to another countries, you have to respect their ideologies. If that offends you well... don`t go there.
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Male 2,578
Essersmith, do you know any other cultures that will willingly turn themselves into minorities in every country they populate? China? Japan? Nope. Egypt? Nope, they`re actually getting rid of their Christian problem. The only countries that will willingly turn themselves into minorities in the name of tolerance are western countries.
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Male 259
Wow! They were protesting so peacefully and not in any way demonstrating aggression toward anyone. It truly is the religion of peace!
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Male 2,460
It`s a small percentage of Muslims that act like asshats but I still think its (mostly) up to the decent Muslims to correct the problem. I don`t see a lot of this happening and that`s a discouraging notion.

Think of them as a family. Say you have the Jones family. Three generations under one roof living in a big house in a small town. They are all nice people save drunk and mean Uncle Nick. Now who is in the best position to correct Uncle Nick? That`s right. His family is. They have an extra responsibility because he reflects badly on the rest.
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Male 840
I wouldn`t want to watch that film but the melt down is quite entertaining. Too bad the projector wasn`t in a locked projection room in the back like in a theater.

This makes me think that water-boarding would have been a preferred torture over having to watch gay porn.
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Male 809
douchey muslims think everyone has to bow to their crazy ass beliefs. drat you and your koran, drat your prophet too
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Male 415
White cultures are more respectful of other cultures, as long as it`s far away and noone hears of it. I guess most cultures are that way, but can`t say that for sure.
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Male 314
I get the feeling this was staged by the protestors. The artist has a well known reputation and they almost certainly knew what the video was about. This seems similar to Westboro Baptists protesting.

That said, the display of non-understanding of the freedom of speech is sickening.
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Male 2,549
*sigh* Where have the cultured fled to in these so called cultures?
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Male 275
@Angilion
I dont think anyone refer to the pro-"white" racism and associated nationalism and culturalism as multiculturalism. Perhaps i missed the point. But claiming that white cultures are somehow more respectful of other cultures, is well... an opinion, but I dont believe it, and quite frankly I believe it to be a lie.

Anyway im sure we can all agree that multiculturalism is difficult and requires patience and understanding from everyone involved.

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Male 296
@CodeJockey
While that`s true, i think the problem stems from the fact that Muslims are a minority in most western cultures, and there`s a loud group of Muslims that the public hears, and the ones in the video are the perfect example of it. Of corse there are normal people that are in the Muslim faith, there`s that extreme group that everyone sees.
Additionally it`s such a conservative faith, that when people with that faith and ideology move to countries with more liberal views they tend to feel marginalized and believe their morally superior to any and all others.

Sure that`s not the case for all Muslims, and I respect and admire that people with that rich of history would move to nations where they have to start fresh, but if you`re going to start fresh, you need to have a fresh open mind too.
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Male 5,617
"If Muslims refuse to tolerate any culture but their own, why should we tolerate theirs?"
Because we are not them. You are also lumping every Islamic together. Have you bombed an abortion clinic lately?
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Male 15,832
If Muslims refuse to tolerate any culture but their own, why should we tolerate theirs?
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Male 12,365
[quote]
"Multiculturalism: Whites respect all other cultures."

I sincerely hope you are joking. Otherwise you are being incredibly insensitive and racist.
History tells quite another story than whites respecting other cultures. Not that "other" cultures have a better track record.[/quote]

You appear to have somehow managed to overlook the whole point of the words you replied to. They were, very obviously, stated as a description of multiculturalism. You can`t possibly think that the pro-"white" racism and associated nationalism and culturalism of the past was called "multiculturalism".
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Male 1,745
A dumbass who is seeking to insult and instigate holding an event attended by more dumbasses seeking to get insulted and cause a scene. This is neither art nor activism, they deserve each other.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Multi-culturalism works, look at cities like Toronto, Seattle, San Fran, and NYC here in N. America, which contains the highest population of multi-cultures living in close proximity to one another.[/quote]

Multi-culturalism only "works" with segregation of and lack of power within the invading cultures.

And yes, it is an invasion. Invasions don`t necessarily require war - culture is the biggest factor in successful conquest even when the initial invasion was military. You can`t occupy a hostile country forever - you have to either make yourselves them or make them you.

So, for example, England. The initial invasion by the English was war, but the success of the conquest was down to making the Britons English and that was cultural. Or going the other way - the 12th century Norman-English invasion of Ireland was a military success but within a generation they`d become Irish and it wasn`t really a conquest.
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Male 275
@5Cats
"Multiculturalism: Whites respect all other cultures.
Other cultures have NO respect at all!"

I sincerely hope you are joking. Otherwise you are being incredibly insensitive and racist.
History tells quite another story than whites respecting other cultures. Not that "other" cultures have a better track record.

@auburnjunky
Sure, not recently. But im sure showing a movie, thats wildly insulting to you as a person and everything you believe in, would have similar responses. (you, just as I, would probably claim that no such movie could be produced)

What I dont understand is why would one show that movie to a crowd like that, unless to purposely try to instigate a response.
Also why would anyone in that crowd, willingly go to that showing?
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Male 415
When has multi-culturalisme ever worked? Doesn`t it usually desolve into extremism and one (usually smaller) group either gets attacked or considered inferior and treated as such?

There`s no indication that history will not repeat itself.
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Male 2,376
i was saying boo urns
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Female 155
Why don`t they just live in the middle east and leave us the hell alone? If you can`t calm down the crazy, don`t come to western countries.
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Male 38,457

I agree with the Islamites that it was a unentertaining 60 seconds of film.

But once again we see they are an uncivilized people. And behaving in an uncivilized manner they imposed their will and got their way, the show was cancelled. They just are not evolved enough to mix with the rest of the world. They prove it time and again. When do we say enough is enough, we gave you a chance but you blew it? It is not racism if you start with an open mind and they prove that they are savages.
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Male 124
What lies at the heart of multiculturalism is freedom of the individual, everyone needs to accept the rights of others. While Vilks work may be interpreted as insulting by some people, it is still within his rights and people who don`t like his work can just leave.

In Sweden, there is a stigma among polititians to make demands on immigrants; they just assume that if immigrants can do whatever they like they`ll integrate themselves.
Also, as 5cats writes, the police getting told to arrest people defending their own communities, rather than the criminals who are torching cars and daycare centers, is a strong indication of how ridiculous Swedish immigration policy is.
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Male 2,579
It is a direct attack to the faith. I would be angry as well.
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Male 37,728
Multiculturalism: Whites respect all other cultures.
Other cultures have NO respect at all!

The only place "multiculturalism" works is Winnipeg. @peakingo: those cities you name are on the brink of social collapse BECAUSE or race and ethnic conflict.

And you can`t blame the whites: so it`s "not news" for the MSM.

6 Straight Nights Of Rioting In Sweden BY MUSLIMS! I`m sure you`ve read all about it, yes?

Fear not! The Swedish Police are stepping up enforcement: to keep WHITES from forming armed patrols... yeah that`s what multiculturalism is all about.
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Male 10,339
Hahahahaha. Never have I heard a crowd of angry Christians chanting JESUS! JESUS! JESUS!
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Male 2,578
peakingo, countries like US and Canada have historically used a melting pot method of immigration, and those people dispersed sparsely throughout the giant country. In other countries the melting pot has been replaced with confused diversity, pluralism, segregation, and sectionalism. I feel that this is beginning to take root in America, as well. The rise of hyphenated Americans is not a good development.
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Male 761
The title is wrong. It should be titled, "How to Piss Off a Room Full of Muslims."

Multi-culturalism works, look at cities like Toronto, Seattle, San Fran, and NYC here in N. America, which contains the highest population of multi-cultures living in close proximity to one another.

I need a back story to this and for people who don`t know the parody of this track... which is a hilarious song, it seems insulting. Especially considering how some muslims view homosexuals and how sacred they hold their culture and religion.
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Male 2,855
yes, its porn to them, bad porn for everyone else
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Male 267
If you dont want to watch it then drat off out of the building. Problem solved.

They were only there to cause a scene.
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Male 977
Calm down sheeple. You`re being baaaaaaaaaaad again.
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Male 2,578
Link: Why Multi-Culturalism Is An Epic Fail [Rate Link] - Boy, That Escalated Quickly
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