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101 Responses to When Did You Choose To Be Straight?

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    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
    Link: When Did You Choose To Be Straight? - Hey hetros, when did you become attracted to the opposite sex?
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    Around age 9... when I started liking girls.
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    LadyMorgue Female 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    I always liked boys. My first crush was Joe from New Kids On The Block. I quickly switched to Jordan from the same band. I even went to far as to write him a fan letter discussing our love of ketchup and how that meant we should get married.

    I was around 8... so I guess that`s when my attraction started. LoL
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    That`s a great point, but it`ll fall on deaf ears with a lot of people simply because they aren`t rational to begin with.

    I`m sure plenty of people will say "well they have an agenda!" Just like african americans had the agenda enough to protest at segregated lunch counters. Or they`ll say "It`s not natural!" in spite of the fact it does exist in nature and things like computers and nylon are not natural but we use them anyway.

    There`s nothing wrong with being gay. Period.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    @LadyMogue
    @TruTenrMan

    The point is both of you didn`t choose to like the other sex. You just started being attracted to other people and that`s who you were attracted to.

    For the most part, attraction when you`re first meeting someone is a subconscious decision that you don`t get to choose. It just happens.
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    There is a difference between when did you become attracted to and when did you chose to...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    I learned it somewhere along the way.

    When did I learn to drink from a straw?
    When did I learn to ride a bicycle?
    (OK, I DO remember that one!)
    When did I learn I hated green peppers?
    (The first time I tasted one, ICKY! Yucky! Ptoo!)

    Everyone LEARNS a LOT of things that they don`t set out to...

    When did the raincoat fetishist CHOOSE to become a raincoat fetishist? No @FancyLad, you don`t have to answer...
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm
    Being attracted to boys was never an option for me. Growing up, I didn`t have mainstream media shoving it in my face everywhere I turned.

    I had my parents, my (private) school, and my church growing up. All of them said that being with another man was evil and a sin. Therefore, there was never a choice to be made from a religious standpoint.

    From a biological standpoint, a penis is made to go into a vagina. The sperm meant to fertilize the egg. This results in a baby, and the propagation of the human race. So, it was natural.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    I actually do remember. I was about six years old. My dad had this record, and I remember staring at this picture for hours.




    I was only six years old, but in retrospect, I know what I was thinking then. I`d like to have sex with that attractive female.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    I just realized something. I started liking women the same way I started liking The Beatles, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Jethro Tull. By drowning myself in my dad`s records every day.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    "There`s nothing wrong with being gay. Period."

    True... but there`s nothing right about it either.
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    bomb_tom Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    It`s not a matter of choice, it`s about what`s right and wrong!
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    Somewhere around the age of 5 did I have a crush on a girl. Then again at the age of about 9 on a different girl. Then again at the age of 11 on yet another.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    Don`t really give a crap. I wish gay marriage could be legalized across the map so I can stop hearing about the gay rights movement.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    I`ve always found female squirrels attractive.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:27 pm
    No new ground trodden here... I fully support the freedom to love who you love in the manner you both feel most appropriate, be it marriage or otherwise...however I hate internet videos that think they`re bringing some novel twist to the table that solves the whole argument once and for all. I`m sorry, but this just doesn`t change anything.

    It`s apples and oranges. The reason people persist in believing that homosexuality is a choice is because you`re assumed to be straight from birth. So eventually, you have to realize that you need to correct everyone`s assumption. This is where people assume a "choice" is being made, because the kid was "perfectly straight" yesterday!

    Until they hit puberty, there is literally no need to make any of these assumptions. Once a person begins to have affections for whomever they do...they should feel comfortable in expressing those affections. That`s it. Period.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:27 pm
    Kegomatix wins the grand prize. I wish I could log on to the internet without hearing about gay issues in any context.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm
    About this time:

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    toblessed Female 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    When God spoke man into existence that`s the very moment he spoke women for men.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:47 pm
    heterosexuality in this time and age is bad for humanity.. imagine if every man married a woman and had 1 child.. the resulting overpopulation would be unbearable.. we already produce too many children to sustain as a planet.. so let the men love the men and the women love the women. It`s good for the planet and humans won`t become extinct anyways by homosexuality..
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm
    Corydoras87-"heterosexuality in.../asswipe comment|...by homosexuality..:"

    May God have mercy on your soul.
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 6:44 pm
    Specious argument. Although I believe people can be born gay and I think gay marriage is AOK and all that. Are all sexual orientations or proclivities natural? Pedos? Furries?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm
    @Corydoras87: Really? Are you sure about that?

    If 1 man and 1 woman have 1 child? The population would DROP DRAMATICALLY in just a couple of generations.

    It requires 2.3 children per COUPLE to maintain ZERO population growth, iirc...

    So if all couples have only 1 child? Yeah, NO overpopulation problems at all. The opposite, in fact. Eh?
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    "When God spoke man into existence that`s the very moment he spoke women for men."

    God created man first. And man asked God for a companion. He wanted someone that would always take care of him and always keep him happy. God Says he can do that but it would cost Adam an arm and a leg. So Adam says "what will you give me for a rib?"
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Kegomatix you think you`re going to stop hearing about it after that?
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    toblessed: If you`re looking for a reaction, you can stop now. People on IAB tend toward tolerance and science. You clearly tend toward superstition.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:49 pm
    Love is love. It knows no gender.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    Thank you @5Cats for explaining the specious overpopulation argument to @Corydoras87 so I didn`t have to. Ugh.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:09 pm
    carmium: but if you really meant what you said about tolerance, wouldn`t your post make your point moot? just an observation. But a lot of people know the power of both, science and religion. Both great tools that will no doubt work hand in hand by the end of things.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm
    Curious: should alcoholics be encouraged to drink themselves to death? Alcoholism is inherent from birth, after all. Should all self-destructive behavior be encouraged, because to go against ones instincts is to deny ones true nature! Hedonism seems the way to go these days. Consequences and morality be damned.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm
    God made humans so they could adapt. I have adapted all of my life. I adapted at some point to be attracted to females. It is God`s will that some men develop to like other men, and some women develop to like other women. Just as I developed my sexual appetite.




    = > /

    (equality is greater than division)

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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    toblessed said: When God spoke man into existence that`s the very moment he spoke women for men.

    It was more of a, "It created them; male and female; it created them both." Gen 1:27
    And I supposed that we can presume that when God thought up the archetypal human It enmeshed them in hermaphroditic unity. God didn`t actually speak woman into existence until It deemed that Adam required the woman lying dormant within himself...or something. I dunno, I`ve never had the opportunity to speak to the author so that I may discern the precise intention of their words.

    That said, the first time I became of aware of truly delighting in a woman`s body was when I was three years old. A young thing with curly hair, milky skin and perky breasts was sunning on an inflatable water mattress in her family`s (?) lake and I was sitting on her belly. She was wearing a crochet bikini, I remember this so vividly but I have no idea who she was or why I was there.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 10:24 pm
    It`s widely understood that there is a spectrum of natural preference and that the only unnatural thing is that we choose to label ourselves as one or another.

    People *can* change their choice of preference, although society tends to lock us into one or another, or coerce people to reconsider their choice. I have known more than one woman who was gay before she met me. I know a bloke that was straight until he became an actor and then came out as a celibate gay guy; we suspect he wanted to fit in to his new crowd, but who knows? Maybe he had a change of heart.

    If we had been raised in a gay environment, many of us may all have had gay preferences imprinted. I think that`s why the religitards are so opposed to gay marriage and adoption. By keeping gay couples from children, they hope to avoid value transference, because they know there`s a risk.

    In summary, who cares?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 10:55 pm
    @CoyoteKing: *snort* Nice one!

    Love is love. It knows no gender.
    @HalfPintRoo: I totally agree!
    I`d add:
    Sex is Sex: It`s largely gender neutral.
    Reproduction is Reproduction: It takes TWO genders.

    @DingDingDong: You`re welcome! He`s been on a roll (of stupidity) lately! He`s none to bright at the best of times actually...

    People *can* change their choice of preference

    @Draculya: HAHAHA! The "homosexualists" will flame your butt for that one! Even if it`s true... It`s what I`ve said all along.
    BUT the "pro-gay" side says NO WAY! Born Gay = Gay forever! It can never, ever change.

    Hey! I wasn`t "catgirlsexual" until later in life >^,.^<
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    Man made God in his image, and some people are uptight arseholes. Sexual attraction, like every other thing about people is a variable sliding scale, anyone who thinks being gay is somehow immoral needs to go and sit in a dark corner to see how their brain works. If people have nothing more important to worry about than what other people choose to do in the bedroom is an idiot, a fool and should shut up.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    God made man in His Own immage.
    He made woman from a man`s rib.
    .
    .
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    a cheaper cut

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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 12:26 am
    Well... that was boring.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 12:29 am
    Thing is, a lot of these people weren`t saying that gay people chose to be gay so the question loses a lot of it.
    Also, would the question "When did you realise?" be a reasonable one?
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2013 at 1:27 am
    That`s the question I`ve been asking the "Gay Is A Choice" crowd for over 10 years now.

    I don`t think this was done in an appropriate manner or venue, but at least it is being asked.
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    Adcro Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 2:58 am
    This would`ve been okay if it was an audience of homophobes or whatever, but these people were being decent, and the interviewer still asked the question, which made him look a knob.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 3:56 am
    I don`t remember the exact moment, but I do think it was triggered by something, like seeing a certain girl, or hearing my friends talk about it, and having a certain feeling.

    I don`t think it was something I thought about though. I didn`t make a choice, but it was definitely not part of my personality until a particular moment. Up to a point, all kids are asexual (is that the right word?). I mean, they don`t have a sexuality. They just are.

    Don`t confuse that with gender. Boys are boys, and girls are girls, 99.9999999999999999999999993 of the time.

    Just my opinion.
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    funnehkitteh Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:15 am
    when did you choose to be religious

    that would be more interesting
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:18 am
    I reiterate a point made earlier. Sexual preference is a tricky thing, if you think it`s a choice or influences you can concede people will disagree with it and can have their reasons (however stupid)

    But if you believe it`s genetic or from birth, you have to accept that a lot of other things are genetic from birth. Like paedophilia and beastophillia. I`m not saying the two are the same or comparable in morality. But the question that get`s raised if it`s not right to punish or scorn a gay person for his sexual preference when it doesn`t hurt you. If someone who has those sexual preferences but never put`s them into practice and never harms someone they also shouldn`t be scorned in society.

    I`m not advocating legalising beastophilia or peadophilia. I`m not advocating attacking homosexuals. But I think it`s preference and a choice and it`s an ok choice to make and it can be changed with different circumstances and upbringing (look at hetero/gay twins)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:41 am
    @TruTenrMan

    "From a biological standpoint, a penis is made to go into a vagina."

    From a biological standpoint, you weren`t made to operate a computer or the internet. Please stop using them.

    Or...stop bitching about other people being "unnatural" when you are guilty of the same.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:47 am
    @chicagojay

    "Are all sexual orientations or proclivities natural? Pedos? Furries?"

    Yes, they are. Because "natural" just means what we as creatures do when free. So paedophilia, furrydom, murder, rape, charity, love, all are natural.

    Really, the question should be: is it harmful (to those not actively involved and consenting)?

    Homosexuality, not harmful.
    Paedophilia, harmful.
    Furrydom, not harmful.
    etc.

    It`s a good way to look at things. Better than whether things are "natural", when you`re sat in an air-conditioned room, drinking from a plastic cup, and typing on a computer.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:50 am
    @AvatarJohn

    "Should all self-destructive behavior be encouraged, because to go against ones instincts is to deny ones true nature!"

    Not encouraged, but also not interfered with unless requested, or unless it is harming others.

    Your own mind and body are your own business (or at least, should be), unless you are affecting others.

    So for your example of an alcoholic: offer help, but don`t force it, unless that alcoholic is harming others with the drinking (getting behind the wheel, leaving their children uncared for, etc).
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:53 am
    @Draculya

    What you describe isn`t someone changing their sexuality; it`s someone descovering unexplored parts of it.

    Kinda like discovering you like whiskey doesn`t remove your previous love for ale.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 5:25 am
    "What you describe isn`t someone changing their sexuality; it`s someone descovering unexplored parts of it."

    Totally agree with this. My sexual and gender identity are so fluid that I stopped attempting to administer definitive terms to myself a loooong time ago.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2013 at 5:29 am
    littlemissqt, good on ya. It`s a shame that there`s such an unbelievable lack of even the most general intellectual curiosity in so many here, but, some of us appreciate the effort. Thank you for posting this. :-)
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 6:17 am
    "From a biological standpoint, you weren`t made to operate a computer or the internet. Please stop using them."

    That`s the stupidest thing I`ve ever read. What, biologically, is needed to operate a computer or the internet? Arms, hands, fingers, muscles, brain... that`s it.

    A penis has two functions: 1) urination, 2) entering a vagina to inseminate the female.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2013 at 6:24 am
    Musuko42-"From a biological standpoint, you weren`t made to operate a computer or the internet."

    Fallacy...the computer and internet were made to be operated by him.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 6:54 am
    Y`all can claim that being homosexual is "natural" all you want, but the base argument against that is that TAB-A goes into SLOT-B. TAB-A cannot go into TAB-B, and SLOT-A cannot go into SLOT-B.

    Plain and simple.
  53. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:04 am
    @TruTenrMan

    "A penis has two functions: 1) urination, 2) entering a vagina to inseminate the female."

    Really? Because it functions pretty well at entering the anus to stimulate the prostate and the penis itself.

    "TAB-A goes into SLOT-B"

    It also goes quite pleasantly into SLOT-C and SLOT-D, the mouth and the anus. I`ve also known it to function quite nicely in APPENDAGE-A (hands) and GROOVE-A and GROOVE-B (breast cleavage and butt cleavage). It even responds quite nicely to being rubbed by APPENDAGE-B (feet) if those are your sort of thing.

    If it was "made" to go into only one place, why does it go so nicely in so many other places? Surely that`s poor design. If it was only "made" for SLOT-B, then all those other places should feel HORRIBLE if you put TAB-A in them.

    And they don`t. They really don`t. You should try them some time.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:09 am
    @TruTenrMan

    PS: So you`ve never used your penis for any other reason but for urination or for impregnation? Ignoring that your penis one of the most highly-sensitive areas of your body, and that other species have been documented to have sex for other reasons than procreation (pleasure, social bonding, establishing dominance and hierarchy, and, for one monkey species, just plain old saying "hi")?

    And you say *I* am the one who isn`t using it right?

    Jeez. You`re like the guy who buys a Veyron and then only uses it to drive to the supermarket and back.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:14 am
    @MeGrendel

    "Fallacy...the computer and internet were made to be operated by him."

    Correct. Which is countering his fallacy that we are "made" for anything. If we were designed with specific tasks and functions assigned to each of our body parts, he can feel free to furnish me with the owner`s manual and a toll-free number to speak to the manufacturer.

    He`s gonna see this and mention the Bible...I just know it.
  56. Profile photo of TruTenrMan
    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:16 am
    Musuko42, you know what I meant. Don`t play word games.

    Sure, I can put my penis in plenty of places that aren`t vaginas. Trees, the dirt, apple pies, animals... doesn`t mean it was MADE to go there.

    Hurr-durr...
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:27 am
    Hey, TruTenrMan, my guess is that you`re an obnoxious troll, but, in case you aren`t, please explain why EVERY SINGLE MAMMAL in the animal kingdom has examples of homosexuals? Or, how do you define "not natural"?
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:29 am
    This is really a deeper argument than "nature or nurture".

    If you look at it from a strictly "natural" point of view, homosexuality is natural (there are `gay` animals), "bestiality" is natural (ever have a dog hump your leg?), some forms of "pedophilia" is natural (once a girl has her period, she is available to breed with).

    But we, as a species, have made strides to separate ourselves from "animals" by creating societal "morals" and laws that we believe to be best for everyone. I`m sure that animals don`t as for consent before having sex, or check the age of the female in heat in front of them.

    Quoting religion on the issue is retarded because the core family (religious or not) has deviated so far from the Bible`s definition, that you can`t expect anyone to take you seriously when you make exceptions for only you.

    Ultimately, the laws and morals we`ve created, we did so to protect people.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:31 am
    @TruTenrMan

    How do you know what it was made for? You have the owner`s manual?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:41 am
    @Keyh: exactly! And, because *we* have created morals and rules, and because those things have obviously and clearly evolved over time (e.g. we no longer find it acceptable to keep slaves, even though not too long ago, the Bible was used as the reason for it), there no reason, at all, that we can`t and shouldn`t grant equal rights to homosexuals. To not do is as bigoted as wanting to keep slaves based on Bible verses.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:47 am
    I had a crush on Bridget in the second grade, big whoop. So what`s the point? I am Catholic, I don`t hate gays, I love all people as Jesus asks us to do. I have several gay friends. Big whoop! Oh wait, I know the point, I`m a heterosexual middle aged white Catholic guy so I am the worst person on planet earth. Got it! I`ll go ahead and schedule some guilt-time later today.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 7:55 am
    @papajon0s1

    "I don`t hate gays"

    It`s "gay people" not "gays".

    You don`t call people who can`t see "blinds".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:01 am
    Really, the question should be: is it harmful
    @Musuko42: That`s 100% BOGUS. The ancient Greeks, among MANY others, thought it was "normal, natural and mutually beneficial" for adult men to F*CK young boys. So you`re saying it`s ALL moral relativism? Can`t argue with that... but that doesn`t mean it was "inborn" eh? Quite the opposite in fact.

    please explain why EVERY SINGLE MAMMAL in the animal kingdom has examples of homosexuals?
    @SmagBoy1: We`ve had this discussion before and you utterly failed to provide evidence for what you claim.
    #1 Your definition of "homosexual" is just plain WRONG.
    #2 Animals commit beastiality (inter-species sex)
    #3 Animals rape, gang rape
    #4 Animals commit necrophilia, sexual cannibalism, death by snoo-snoo...
    #5 Animals commit pedophilia...

    So, it`s ALL natural! Let`s DO IT! >-(


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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:10 am
    @Musuko42: Goose, geese... Duck, ducks...

    Your pathetic attempts at "word games" make you sound like an 8 year old... just a little FYI!

    @SleepyHallow: And I`ve answered your question, as has science. Sexuality is learned, it is fluid, it is able to change if you CHOOSE to do so...

    @Bakcagain21: Your post was excellent! Your mention of twins is 100% correct! Modern "twin studies" show homosexuality is NOT linked to DNA. It`s "evidence" and not "proof" I know that.

    it`s someone descovering unexplored parts of it.
    @Musuko42: SO: A homosexual can have "undiscovered heterosexual parts" BORN into him/her? WOW!
    LMAO! Thank you for proving MY point bro! :-D
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:23 am
    I`m just going to stay out of anything politically- or religiously-related on I-A-B from now on as I`m tired of circular-arguments.

    Oh, wait--90% of I-A-B`s posts lately have been politically- or religiously-related. Damn.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:39 am
    @5Cats

    "The ancient Greeks, among MANY others, thought it was "normal, natural and mutually beneficial" for adult men to F*CK young boys."

    A perfect example of how what is normal and natural changes as our cultures change.

    A perfect example of why sticking to the rules and morality of an ancient culture`s creed (the Bible), rather than forming our own moral judgements based on our current understanding, is a bad idea.

    Thanks for that.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:41 am
    5Cats, I`ve provided valid, scientific study after study. I`m not sure who you were speaking with didn`t provide "proof", but, it`s not difficult. Just ask most any farmer. But, here`s a quick read on several: National Geographic. I could post several more, but this makes my point clearly.

    As for rape, pedophilia, etc, we have determined they`re wrong because it`s not consenting adults engaging in the activity. There`s a very real and significant different. To imply otherwise is intellectually dishonest. And you`re sharper than that.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:42 am
    @5Cats

    "Sexuality is learned, it is fluid, it is able to change if you CHOOSE to do so..."

    And when your side of the debate stops using that statement of understanding as a reason to say that we should all change to be straight, or not have any rights if we "choose" to be gay, then we won`t mind agreeing with you.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:51 am
    Sexuality is learned, it is fluid, it is able to change if you CHOOSE to do so...
    So what I hear you saying is that you have homosexual urges but just choose not to act on them?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:53 am
    @5Cats

    "So, it`s ALL natural! Let`s DO IT!"

    TruTenrMan has been trying to say that straight sex is natural, and therefore good, and that gay sex is unnatural, therefore bad.

    By pointing out, as both you and I and others have, that gay sex is natural, and so are murder and rape, we`re showing that defining what is good by whether it is natural is ultimately pointless.

    We`re not saying that if it`s natural, do it. That`s what TruTenrMan, the anti-homosexuality Christian is saying. We are saying the opposite: don`t use what is natural as a deciding basis of what you should or should not do.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 8:54 am
    @patchgrabber

    "So what I hear you saying is that you have homosexual urges but just choose not to act on them?"

    To be honest, I`ve long assumed that`s the source of 5Cats` particular enthusiasm for this subject.

    The lady doth protest too much, and all that.
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    Psimon Male 40-49
    69 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 9:23 am
    @Musuko42
    Great job taking on all these ignorant homophobes. Keep it up and thanks! (I`d help but am on a break from arguing with internet morons. Gets too frustrating.)
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 9:26 am
    "(I`d help but am on a break from arguing with internet morons. Gets too frustrating.)"

    Yeah--I know exactly what you mean.
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    Psimon Male 40-49
    69 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 9:45 am
    @TruTenrMan I`d reply to you but you know, the internet moron break I`m on. Sorry.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:03 am
    Here`s what I don`t get.

    Why keep arguing back and forth about a topic no one is going to be swayed to change by Internet know it alls.

    Every needs to chill and 5cats you are getting mean spirited again. I`m not trying to attack you but I`ve a conservative effort to be chilled in these comment sections lately and REAALY appreciate it. Lets not get back to hold destructive habits.

  76. Profile photo of Geogypsy
    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:20 am
    I agree that everyone needs to chill.
    Look! Look at the baby girl snuggling with the kitty on the swing! They`re different but they`re bound by the love they share...Awwwww.


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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:37 am
    ~Squrlz enters thread, gets caught up in the vibe, and starts shouting at everything and nothing in particular~ !!!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:40 am
    Everyone needs to chill? Okay, so, let`s say we have laws in 40 of 50 states that prevent women from voting. Should we just chill? What about 40 of 50 states allowing from slavery? Just chill? Look, this isn`t just a friendly discussion. This is an actual civil rights issue that is currently denying equal rights to a minority of our population based on majority bigotry.

    Allowing gay marriage takes away NO ONE`s rights. It hurts NO ONE! But not allowing it? That literally discriminates against actual tax paying adult citizens of our country. And it`s the very definition of bigotry and discrimination. So, no, I won`t calm down. The issue is too important.
  79. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:48 am
    to say that we should all change to be straight, or not have any rights if we "choose" to be gay
    @Musuko42: #1 I have NEVER said any such thing! Please refrain from shoving words into my mouth? K-Thx!
    #2 It is the homosexualist side which claims homo- is inborn AND unchangeable. Got it? Good.

    A perfect example of how what is normal and natural changes as our cultures change.
    You`re welcome! But I for one do NOT wish to "normalize" pedophilia or other "once acceptable" or "found in nature" activities. Get it yet? YOU can be gay all you like, just don`t twist society to fit YOUR vision!
    And don`t make up bullshiite excuses for your BEHAVIOUR!!!

    To be honest, I`ve long assumed that`s the source of 5Cats` particular enthusiasm for this subject.
    The lady doth protest too much, and all that.
    OMG! The old "your a are fag!" argument...
  80. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:53 am
    @patchy: I think Harrison Ford is a very handsome man, but I doubt I`d "do the sex thing" with him...

    Remember: I AM the one saying it`s flexible, variable and changeable. The homosexualists are saying it is NOT! Keep that straight (hee hee) eh?

    At least no one`s accused me of homophobia yet...
    all these ignorant homophobes
    @Psimon: Oh dear me...

    I`ve noticed a conservative effort on your part to be chilled in these comment sections lately and REALLY appreciate it.
    Well THANKS @Peakingo! I have indeed made a "concerted effort" ;-) to be milder! (I know what you meant, unless it was an intention pun? lolz!)
    But the same STUPID arguments that I`ve shot down before from the SAME people? It just... rubs my fur the wrong way...

  81. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 11:01 am
    The Gay Penguins? AGAIN? I cannot stand it!

    #1 They were raised in Ontario, alone and isolated from all other penguins.
    #2 they don`t "do it" mutually and exclusively with a same-sex partner. THAT is the proper definition of "homosexual" FYI for the 33rd time!

    When have I "opposed gay rights"? I oppose changing laws for no particular reason. I oppose new laws which might be harmful OR counter productive.

    Gays got full, equal rights in Canada & I don`t care!

    It just drives me NUTZ when people trot out FICTION as if it were fact, and shout down ANY attempt at actual, reasonable discussion.

    Here @Squrlz4: You can have some nutz too, I got lots! :-)

    @Geogypsy: That`s one happy cat! :love:
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 11:19 am
    *Offers Squrlz an Almond Snickers...*
    Code: "Relax, Bud..."


    On topic: By 4 or 5, I new I liked girls.
  83. Profile photo of peakingo
    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 11:29 am
    Smagboy, you do realize that the fight is actually taking place in state and federal building and not on site called I Am Bored.

    Everyone getting this upset here isn`t making an impact anywhere and no ones opinions are getting swayed.

    @5cats you know me and my jokes... yes that was a tongue and check pun.
  84. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 11:39 am
    yes that was a tongue and check pun.
    @peakingo: Nice one! I lol`d!
    Now is that "cheek" or "cheque" a we Canadians spell it? ;-)
  85. Profile photo of Psimon
    Psimon Male 40-49
    69 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 11:50 am
    @5Cats Would love to get into it with you, and help you with your issues but again I`m on a break from arguing with internet jerks. Though I am curious how you knew I was talking about you. I guess you`re more self-aware than I would have imagined for such a small minded person. Please don`t respond, it makes my refraining from getting into it difficult.
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    Pinkminx22 Female 30-39
    1091 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Oooohhh the poo is too deep for me in here, I`m leaving now...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    Please don`t respond,
    @Psimon: Oh don`t worry, I wouldn`t dream of feeding your bloated ego...

    @PinkMinx22: On behalf of all of Canada I apologize for @Psimon`s poop-flinging ;-)

    Someone from Europe can apologize for @Musuko42... :-P
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    jonswan12 Male 18-29
    72 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    It`s sad that people still believe that homosexuals have chosen to be gay.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    Remember: I AM the one saying it`s flexible, variable and changeable. The homosexualists are saying it is NOT! Keep that straight (hee hee) eh?
    I just asked a question. If you acknowledge that you have homosexual urges then at least you`re being consistent.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    Lord this IS a mixed up muddled thread
    Im off outta here
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 7:49 pm
    "...at least you`re being consistent."

    Thanks for noticing @patchy! I DO TRY to maintain internal consistency in my opinions.
    And that`s all they are, opinions, occasionally backed by facts...

    But yes! Each and every one of us chooses their "so called sexual orientation" on a DAILY basis. Some have very easy, clear-cut choices. Others? Not so easy, not so clear.

    I love my cats! >^..^<
    Occasionally I`m "catgirl sexual"...

    @ferdyfred: Words From "Lola"?
    = Yup! :-)

    "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls" - The Kinks
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    Shinymetal Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 12:30 am
    Please everyone! Regardless of how you feel about homosexuality I think we can all agree that it`s never worth it to argue with 5cats. That old dog cant learn any new tricks. You`d have an easier time demolishing an office building with headbutts than changing 5Cats mind about anything. Regardless of facts, proof, logic, reason, definitions, etc...

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    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 5:36 am
    *sigh* 5cats... do you watch that tv show `Shameless`? William H. Macy`s character said not too long ago, `I am what I have to be to survive`. (Or something really close to that). I`m just using this as an example because...
    SOME people can make themselves do anything as needed, whether or not it comes naturally to them, for whatever reasons they give themselves so they can live with themselves at the end of the day... NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE THIS. Try not to shove every body into your convenient little pigeonholes. The whole point of homosexual liberation IS THAT WE DON`T WANT TO BE PUT INTO ROLES THAT ARE NOT FOR US. And we`re trying to get the rest of the world to stop too.
  95. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32794 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Regardless of facts, proof, logic, reason, definitions, etc...
    @ShinyMetal: "Present them." (Southpark quote, eh?)
    You got those things? Lets see them! I ain`t seen nothing from the "born gay" side except fiction.

    @WendyPants: No, sorry, don`t know that show.
    I agree with William H Macy though, he`s a fine actor too.

    "Try not to shove every body into your convenient little pigeonholes."
    I`m not trying to! It`s the -born gay- side that`s trying to define EVERY gay person as 100% born that way and unable to change.
  96. Profile photo of chalket
    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 11:00 am
    @5Cats: "that`s trying to define EVERY gay person as 100% born that way"

    I don`t think anyone here has been saying that. We are talking about human beings, after all. There is virtually nothing you can claim is 100% universal within ANY given group of people, much less one as diverse as the LGBT community. Life just doesn`t work that way, dude. It`s not black and white, pretty much everything is a spectrum of grey. While some gay or bi- people can or will, with enough social pressure, sublimate their innate desires in order to "fit in" (what you incorrectly call "choosing"), most can`t or won`t and shouldn`t have to.

    "Each and every one of us chooses their "so called sexual orientation" on a DAILY basis."

    That is such bull-dung! Are you really saying that, on any given day, you could just CHOOSE to be attracted to men and give up women? Really? `Cause there is absolutely no way that I could.
  97. Profile photo of peakingo
    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 11:30 am
    I can`t believe I`m adding to this...

    If you can choose gender preference 5cats, then you`re Bi. If you can`t then you`re either gay or straight.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
    3696 posts
    May 13, 2013 at 12:09 am
    I just enjoy the dumbfound look on their faces. Like half of them have never even thought about it, never even had a moment of consideration after being fully willing to believe that people choose to be gay.

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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14621 posts
    May 13, 2013 at 12:14 am
    "TruTenrMan has been trying to say that straight sex is natural, and therefore good, and that gay sex is unnatural, therefore bad."

    A blowjob is `unnatural` and does not result in procreation, no different to gay sex. Yet I choose to get a blowjob at least once a day. However, being married to a woman, my wishes are not fulfilled.

    THERE . IS . NO . GOD
  100. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
    14621 posts
    May 13, 2013 at 12:16 am
    ...and if there was, he`d probably be gay.

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