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Trayvon Martin`s Cell Phone Photos & Texts [Pic+]


Zimmerman”s lawyers want it included as evidence. Fair play or cheap shot, IAB?

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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 9:39 am
    Link: Trayvon Martin`s Cell Phone Photos & Texts - Zimmerman`s lawyers want it included as evidence. Fair play or cheap shot, IAB?
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    fingerfish Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 9:49 am
    The kid was a douche and got what he deserved. Good riddance.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Well, I used to think he was just a decent kid who lost his temper and picked a fight with the wrong guy. Now I see he was a stupid punk who picked a fight with the wrong guy.

    No, he didn`t deserve to die, but I thought the cherubic pics of him vs Zimmerman in jail-orange were slanting the situation in an untruthful way. Glad the photos are out there.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 9:55 am
    Is it relevant to this case? Was he armed, on drugs, or have any drugs with him? If no, then they shouldn`t be included. Same as how past crimes can`t (in most cases) be held against a defendant.

    However, if there`s something in these that might be relevant to the case (e.g. they show that he`d tweeted about going out to hunt for for someone to beat up, etc.), then that`s different. In that case, sure. Seems a judge will have to determine their relevance to the case. Let`s hope s/he knows more than the general public/Internet sleuths. :-)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:09 am

    "Is it relevant to this case?"
    Possibly, it is. The media portrayal is prejudicial and inaccurate. The defense has a right to counter that. Also, it goes to support the defense theory - a young man who embraces the thug culture with drugs and guns is likely to try and beat someone up.

    I say, let the jury see the pics.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Is it relevant to this case?

    Was the way Zimmerman painted relevant? It`s all fair game now this trial should be thrown out the way the media and politicains have handled it.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:23 am
    In my opinion, these images are relevant in order to establish a pattern of behavior. The media slanted public opinion by persistently portraying Trayvon Martin as a happy, physically meek, picture-perfect child.

    We cannot expect the jury to be untainted by this point. Thus, the images should be considered relevant to counteract the false portrayal given up to this point.
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    coxsone Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Loving the trigger discipline in the pic.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:32 am
    Media circus trials are always F`ed up with stuff like this. But you can`t un-ring the bell so wadda ya gonna do?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:45 am
    Isn`t this thing done already?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:46 am
    There are some I-A-Bers who like to post pics of their guns and/or talk freely about pot. That doesn`t necessarily make them nefarious individuals. Should these pics be included in the case? I don`t know. Maybe if it serves to supplement actual physical evidence from the event that actual demonstrates he was the aggressor. But pictures alone don`t do a very good job at presenting someone`s true character. There are plenty of kids who like to pose like this in pictures, because they see it as cool.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I might say they shouldn`t slander the dead kid because it`s pointless. In this case, the family and media has put out so many pictures of a smiling, happy, law abiding boy that I see why it`s only fair for the defense to show his true nature.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:50 am

    We all know that Zimmerman shot him. The question is whether Martin attacked him, making the shooting self defense. Showing Martins true personality, and not the family and media portrayed "good kid" image, is an important factor.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:53 am
    There are some I-A-Bers who like to post pics of their guns and/or talk freely about pot. That doesn`t necessarily make them nefarious individuals.

    You`re ignoring the fact he can`t legally posses a firearm.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:06 am
    "Is it relevant to this case?"

    It`s called "character evidence"

    @coxsone - That`s the first thing I thought when I saw the picture too, hahaha!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:30 am



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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:33 am
    "You`re ignoring the fact he can`t legally posses a firearm."

    I`m not ignoring anything. The point is, is it relevant to the case? That`s for the judge to decide, because she`s more privy to the details of the case than any of us are.

    I also mentioned people here who talk about pot use. Pot is still illegal in most places. Does that mean that they should be judged for using an illegal substance? It depends on the details of the situation.

    What mostly pisses me off about this situation is that everyone feels the need to make a judgement. Tisk, how do you know he was a douche? Likewise, how does anyone know Zimmerman is a racist? I hate how these trials are played out in the media.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:36 am
    Tisk, how do you know he was a douche?

    Was he not under suspension for sucker punching a bus driver?? Yep sounds like a real peaceful person.....
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:43 am
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:44 am
    "Was he not under suspension for sucker punching a bus driver??"

    Actually...nobody knows that. Some blogger suggested that he was suspended for assaulting a bus driver based on a tweet from TM`s cousin, but the real reason for his suspension was marijuana possession.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:47 am
    Here is the suggestion by the blogger, with the update at the bottom.
  22. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 11:53 am
    I`m honestly split on this:
    On the one hand: it certainly will help Zimmerman`s case!
    On the other: Is it really applicable to the situation?

    I almost always lean towards: Show the Jury the WHOLE story. So I`ll vote Yes! Admit his cellphone pics as evidence.

    @SmagBoy1: Martin had small amounts of THC in his system.
    Also he had 2/3 of the ingredients for "Lean" which is a power concoction he`d used before...

    @patchy: The "show trial" hasn`t even begun yet...

    And the "Jody Arias" trial (apparently) has a "hung jury" on the death penalty part of sentencing... more weeks of THAT trial too!

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    "Tisk, how do you know he was a douche?"
    The pots okay, but being dumb enough to tweet about it is stupid.
    Illegally having a gun at 16.
    He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a `marijuana pipe` and a baggie with drug residue. He was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was caught with a `burglary tool` and a bag full of women`s jewelry.

    They also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness...but who hasn`t done that!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    "The pots okay, but being dumb enough to tweet about it is stupid."

    But Gerry, you`ve posted about using pot too. Look, he obviously got in some trouble, as a lot of teens do. That does`t necessarily make him the aggressor in this case. You need physical and/or eyewitness evidence.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    SmagBoy1-"Is it relevant to this case?"

    FoolsPrussia-"That does`t necessarily make him the aggressor in this case."

    No, but getting the information to the jury goes a long way toward corrrecting the false bias the media has put forth.

    They managed to protray this as this:

    FoolsPrussia-"You need physical and/or eyewitness evidence."

    While you need physical and/or eyewitness to prove GZ`s innocence...you alsy need physical and/or eyewitness to prove his guilt, also.

    Of course, that doesn`t apply to NBC, who just makes it up as they go along.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    When I ask if these pics are relevant, I only mean in the actual trial. The media can do whatever it wants. And it`ll post these pics, I hope. If it doesn`t, that`ll look awfully bad for their position of "unbiased". As for tainting to jury pool, I don`t buy that. Look at Casey Anthony. Did ANYONE here think she`s get off? But, I do think we have to ask about whether or not a judge should allow these in trial. Are they "legally relevant" to the case. I`m not a lawyer or judge, but that is the question that 5Cats is asking, and I think it`s a worthwhile and tough question.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    Isn`t this akin to letting the defense show private / personal sexy images of a rape victim at the rapist`s trial?

    Would we be ok with that?

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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    No, Holygod, it isn`t like that.


    The pro-Trayvon crowd have been thoroughly routed. How far they have fallen from the initial reports of this.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    They also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness...but who hasn`t done that!
    Me: Grade 9: Skipped 3 weeks of school because I was depressed. I didn`t know I was depressed then, but looking back? That`s why. No one noticed! (I`ve heard THAT has changed in modern times...)

    Grade 10: We were allowed 12 "absences" without getting in trouble. 1 day away = 1 while being tardy (late) = 1/3.
    I had 11 & 2/3 :-) on the last day of school...

    Then I went to boarding school in Saskatchewan! Tough to skip class when there`s a total of 120 students and EVERYONE knows who you are...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 2:49 pm
    ...but that is the question that 5Cats is asking, and I think it`s a worthwhile and tough question.
    Well THANKS @SmagBoy1! I think you make a very valid point about Casey Anthony (and other "high profile trials") in that it really REALLY is important what the Jury is or is not allowed to see.

    Which is why I`m not 100% sold on this. Oh I lean towards "yes" I admit! But the Law is the Law! Or at least that`s how it`s SUPPOSED to work, eh?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 3:30 pm
    HolyGod-"Isn`t this akin to letting the defense show private / personal sexy images of a rape victim at the rapist`s trial?"

    Actually, it`s more akin to letting the prosecution show THIS picture of a `rape` victim at the victims `filing a false police report` trial.


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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    "But Gerry, you`ve posted about using pot too. Look, he obviously got in some trouble, as a lot of teens do. That does`t necessarily make him the aggressor in this case. You need physical and/or eyewitness evidence."
    Yes I have, but I am an adult pushing for social change. And I don`t get caught with a baggie at school the dumb-ass. My brother did. He was also a dumb-ass.

    It`s not one thing. It`s all the things together. And we DO have eyewitnesses that martin beat Zimmerman. The only reason there is a trial is because of the media circus stirred up. Gossip mongering, not facts or evidence.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    If Trayvon were a science achiever and volunteer with the anti-bullying work center you can bet your ass the Prosecution would be telling the jury about it. So why can`t the defense point out that Trayvon was a thug. No, he didn`t deserve to die, but he`s culpable in his own death.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    Isn`t this akin to letting the defense show private / personal sexy images of a rape victim at the rapist`s trial?

    No. Why do you think it`s the same sort of thing?

    Also, why do you think it`s OK to routinely presume guilt before a trial has even happened?

    As a followup, do you think that anyone accused of rape should be punished immediately without even bothering with a trial? If not, why not? From your publically stated point of view a trial is a waste of time because the accused is automatically guilty.

    There has been a high profile, politically motivated campaign of disinformation in order to strongly bias the case by presenting a false image. Evidence that it is a false image is therefore relevant.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    It is akin to a "black" man who killed a "white" man and claimed self defence being portrayed by whitist campaigners as obviously guilty because he`s black and because he killed a perfect child who never even spoke rudely to anyone ever and therefore couldn`t possibly have attacked anyone...when in reality none of that was true and there was evidence to prove none of that was true. Would you have that evidence suppressed?

    I`m sure you`re aware that sort of thing has happened.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    FoolsPrussia

    "Maybe if it serves to supplement actual physical evidence from the event that actual demonstrates he was the aggressor. "

    "That does`t necessarily make him the aggressor in this case. You need physical and/or eyewitness evidence."

    Martin is not on trial, he is the dead one. No-one has to prove Martin was the aggressor, someone has to prove Zimmerman was. Alternatively, are you really saying that a man is guilty unless he can prove his innocence? That is unfortunately too often the case in British courts, and I suspect in American ones due to fools like you on the jury.

    It should be that the defence only has to dismember the prosecution case not demonstrate any alternative, and they should be given every honest opportunity.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    "There are some I-A-Bers who like to post pics of their guns and/or talk freely about pot. That doesn`t necessarily make them nefarious individuals."

    They have not been seen by eye an eye witness kneeling over a man who is lying on his back, and beating that man with their fists. A man who was later photographed by police with significant external evidence of injuries about the head.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 24, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    A 16 year old smoking pot? Well all I can say to that is .... duh. Of course he is. Everyone is in high school {and later.}

    He wasn`t a bad kid. But Zimmerman isn`t a bad guy either. Sometimes bad poo happens and there is no one to blame.

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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    I think it`s funny how right wing, gun-toting pro-execution people are so against an innocent little kid ambushed by his murderer, because this if they convict and execute the murderer, the right-wingers may have to think twice about using their own guns. Looool
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm
    Jeez @Draculya, I never knew that 6 foot tall, 160 pounds was considered to be "little"! I also never knew that being at the age of 16/17 was considered to be a "kid"!

    Wow, you are so smart and unbiased...

    Average height for a MAN is about 5`7" to 5`9".
    Trayvon certainly wasn`t a man. I`d say he was a teen crossing into young adult. After all, "adult" starts at the age 18, in the US.

    I may lean right, but I have no guns and don`t support execution; so keep your biases and your bulverisms to yourself
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 24, 2013 at 10:45 pm
    The judge cannot legally exclude this evidence. If he does, it`s grounds for a mistrial (and probably impeachment of the judge).
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    MRFISTO Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2013 at 4:45 am
    FAIR PLAY.
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    LegosFTW Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2013 at 8:02 am
    So he held a gun at some point, and was around pot at some point. Someones character or past actions doesnt give you the right to kill them, and if these things had zero to do with the crime when it happened, its unrelated, and not evidence. I`ve done both of those things, but if I went out today, unarmed, and someone shot me, does that mean that I was at fault because atone point I did these things? Absolutely not. Granted, it paints a different picture as to the character of the victim, but frankly thats irrelevant to the crime at hand.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2013 at 8:40 am
    @Ducky obviously that came close to the bone.

    They need to hurry up and convict this felon as a warning to all those who would abuse Stand Your Ground for kicks.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    Two people who acted incorrectly, both were overzealous and fearful, one shot the other. Zimmerman shouldn`t have followed him, Trayvon shouldn`t have started throwing punches. I don`t think this is murder though, rather it is "Voluntary manslaughter" via "imperfect self-defense" at worst, or "Involuntary manslaughter" at least.

    I don`t think Zimmerman was on the hunt to kill someone that night, but you see these kind of people all the time in "Citizens on Patrol" groups in bad neighborhoods. They are trying to do good, but often get too wrapped up in what they are doing.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    So he held a gun at some point, and was around pot at some point. Someones character or past actions doesnt give you the right to kill them, and if these things had zero to do with the crime when it happened, its unrelated, and not evidence.

    It`s evidence that is extremely clearly related to the most important thing about this case - the depiction of it in the media and the politicians using it for their own ends.

    The jurors have not had their memories wiped, nor have they been living in quarantine without any contact with the outside world since before the killing.

    Giving one side carte blanche to lie for the purposes of biasing a trial and forbidding the other side to reply is not a fair trial.

    It`s not evidence that he attacked Zimmerman, but it is evidence that the propaganda since then is false and that`s very relevant to a trial by a jury that has been heavily exposed to that propaganda.

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