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27 Responses to Transgender Forced Sterilization In Europe [Pic+]

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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 9:39 am
    Link: Transgender Forced Sterilization In Europe - Europe is in to eugenics again.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 9:57 am
    Sweden`s forced sterilization law is set to be rewritten and removed from the books by July 1, 2013. Until then though it is still on the books.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36172 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Transgenders are mules, they`re infertile.
    They want to sterilize them before they get their nuts taken out?
    What`s the point of that when the nuts are gonna get removed?
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 10:13 am
    How vile- why do we care about gender anyway.. be what you want to be.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
    1950 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 10:16 am
    How do you not trust the gay star news? Where *else* am I going to get my latest & greatest news stories from?
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    whipplefunk Male 30-39
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    May 29, 2013 at 10:47 am
    You just made me click to enter a site called gaystarnews.... So now thats happened...
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    Byfield Male 18-29
    464 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 10:55 am
    I agree with this. If you are truly not that gender, you dont need the opposite gender`s genitals. I think its fraudulent, really. Its just a bit unsettling - gender is assigned by genitals and genomes, and to me it always will be.

    And I dont really care where the law falls - peoples hould be able to do what they please when they please. Ive known a couple of transgendered people and I dont dislike them for it - they`re admirable in being able to do what they want when it is such a hard feat.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 11:01 am
    One needn`t change their physical sex to identify under the vast umbrella of transgenderism.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Interestingly enough though the Iranian government`s "solution" for homosexuality is to endorse, and fully pay for, sex reassignment surgery.

    @Gerry1of1: not always, there are cases like Thomas Beatie "the pregnant man." But they don`t need to have the surgery just the change in legal documents.

    @fancythat and @whipplefunk: yea there were other articals I could have used like this one, at motherjones.com but this was more current and I thought the name Gaystarnews was histerical just because of people like you guys who problably wouldn`t care anyways. lol

    @Byfield: Thats where stem cells come into play.

    @Geogypsy: You`re right it doesn`t require the surgery to force sterilization, just the change in legal documents.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 29, 2013 at 11:28 am

    "there are cases like Thomas Beatie "the pregnant man.""
    She never had the "trans" in transgender. She took testosterone to grow a beard and cut her boobs off. But as long as you have a functioning vagina you are not a man. Conversely, if you have functioning testicles you`re no lady. Eddie Murphy found that out the hard way.

    You might be in the process of changing, but until that`s done, you haven`t trans`ed over to the other gender.
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    MasterJedi79 Male 30-39
    16 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Thank God! We need to adopt this law in the USA!
    Then just add in sterilizing all the toothless, illiterate, nascar watching hicks and America would be back on top!!
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    @Gerry1of1: "You might be in the process of changing, but until that`s done, you haven`t trans`ed over to the other gender."

    As I said before, it does not matter if they have actually undergone a sex reassignment surgery. Only if they wish to be known as another sex legally. Many can`t afford it and instead just fill out the legal documents to change as they are known to the government, thats all that is needed for forced serialization to be put into effect.

    Legally speaking, someone is considered transsexual if they have permanently established a new identity in a gender different to their biological sex as identified at birth, it does not necessitate a physical change. A cross-dresser with their original organs could be considered a transgender individual if they wish to be known as the sex opposite from which they were born and would therefore be subject to these laws.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    masterjedi, replace hicks with black people (who behave in basically the same way), and you`re racist.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    "it does not matter if they have actually undergone a sex reassignment surgery. Only if they wish to be known as another sex legally."
    That is just the sort of soft-headed thinking that is ruining the modern world. We need to learn how to deal with WHAT IS and not just wish for what we want. I want the world to treat me as though I looked like Ryan Reynolds, but wishing don`t make is so.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    @Gerry1of1: I would agree with your statement, I didn`t write the laws. Yet in this case, "WHAT IS" is that people are being forcibly sterilized for how they wish to be seen. However they may have come to the idea that they were really another sex.

    Imagine if people who were gay were told they were to be sterilized if they came out because homosexuals can`t reproduce with the same sex. That "WHAT IS" is that sex is primarily for reproductive purposes only "and not just wish for what it was for." I`m not saying that this is necessarily true or that you support that logic, merely that the moral argument is the same and that given time this can spread to any set of parameters as @MasterJedi79 pointed out.



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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 29, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    Eugenics should never enter into a political theater, regardless if you agree or disagree with the people who are subject to it.



    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."

    -Martin Niemoller
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    Saunder Male 30-39
    181 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    Shocked to read this, and kind of relieved it is old news. At least in both Holland and Sweden this does not happen anymore. But it did up until at least 2011. That`s quite embarrassing.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    @Saunder: I believe it will happen in Sweden until July 1, 2013 when the law is officially removed and rewritten. In the article it also says "Sweden`s law will change soon" and it was written in 2013.
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    MasterJedi79 Male 30-39
    16 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    Andrew ... what the hell is wrong with you? I can make ANYONE`S comment racist if I get to remove any words of my choice, and add in racist words of my choice. Your an idiot.
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    fabarati Male 18-29
    1240 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    The reason why Sweden`s law wasn`t changed earlier was that one of the parties in the ruling government coalition, the Christian Democrats, had been holding out and threatened to derail the entire coalition. Otherwise 3 out of the 4 ruling parties and 6 out of the 8 parties in the parliament wanted to change it. They were recently overruled.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36172 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Oh, back on topic, forced sterilization is heinous
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
    @fabarati: do you know what their rationale was? Was it political, religious, moral, economic? How did they conduct their hold out?

    My comp can`t translate half these pages and the ones in english are politically slanted and vague.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    What is this crap? I`ve never heard anything like this, not even remotely close to it..It`s one of those occasions where you`re looking for that Onion mark. I still won`t believe that this is true, forced sterilization hasn`t happened in decades.
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 7:14 pm
    So... what some people want is to allow is, say, a male to be able to simply claim he is female, change his name and gender legally, dress like a woman, use the women`s washroom, and never have to undergo any reassignment treatment? Am I understanding this right?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 8:25 pm
    If we just acknowledged the fact that sex and gender are completely different things, it would solve a lot of problems.

    I`ll use myself as an example. I`m male. That`s sex, not gender.

    I could use clothing, hairstyling, make-up, maybe even cosmetic surgery, to make myself look more feminine. I could use diet and exercise to give myself a more feminine shape (I do weight training, so I have an increasingly masculine shape). I could change my name to a feminine name. I could train my speech to use a more feminine pitch. All of that is about gender (masculinity and feminity) and not sex (male and female). I`d still be male. I`d be a very feminine man, but I`d still be a man.

    To change *sex*, I`d have to have hormone treatment and sex change surgery. If you don`t do that, you haven`t changed sex. You may have changed your gender, but you haven`t changed your sex.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    May 29, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    This whole thing is dumb. Who in their right minds give a Flying F what gay people do?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 30, 2013 at 10:14 am
    @Draculya

    Hmmm well gay people for one.

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