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77 Responses to Student Verbally Smacks Down Lazy Teacher

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 10:42 am
    Link: Student Verbally Smacks Down Lazy Teacher - I think his name is Jeff. He goes off on Mrs. Phung after she hands out another meaningless packet of schoolwork. HERO!
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    Issame Female 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 10:50 am
    Love that this *teacher* is complaining that the student is "wasting her time". Isn`t her time THE STUDENTS?
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:10 am
    He makes very valid points. The American school system has TONS of teachers who do this. Do as little as possible to make a paycheck. They don`t give a crap about the students. I had several teachers like that.

    People can say that kids should "respect the position", but that`s crap. Respect is earned--it`s not an entitlement.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:12 am
    long haired white boy runnin his mouth cause he doesnt like school work. if he doesnt like it, he can drop out. im not denying the current educational system in north america is retarded, but i will say if you dont shut up and say yes maam no maam three bags full maam youll be out on the streets, or living with your parents depending on how cool they are. i dont like it, i dont agree with it, but thats how it is. and bitching to useless teachers about how packets of schoolwork dont teach anything isnt going to change the current system. and if you do go by the system then you end up thousands of dollars in debt trying to go to college and when you get out you realize college was fun but useless at getting you the job you want and you end up working the night shift at wal mart. modern 21st century society sucks.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Don`t blame the teacher because you and your entire generation is the stupidest ever. Get a haircut and a job ya damn hippy!
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    spbm02 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:30 am
    Without a total reworking of the American education system, all we can do is change how the teachers teach. Which is also why any teacher worth their weight in salt knows about culturally responsive pedagogy and differentiation.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:36 am
    He may be right, but in education you generally get what you pay for.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:41 am
    As much as i agree with him, esp after the lackluster respone by the teacher. There is smth not quite right about that dude. The way he speaks and his composure raised a flag with me, anybody else have that?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:50 am
    They are both right. She is mired down by the bureaucracy and ineptitude. The kid is right because they are not receiving an education. The source of problem that effects them both is that a government run project is always over budget and under performs.
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:50 am
    He did drop out his freshman year, and decided that it was a bad idea and came back. A news station had an interview with him and he said that he came back to take school seriously, and expects his teachers to too.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 11:51 am
    What?! He`s passionate about something other then a smartphone or brand name clothing?!

    I call fake! Must be 30+ years old in disguise!
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    As someone raised by two teachers. I agree with him. That dude seems like he could educate himself. It`s not hard.
    Personally I despise teachers. Every one I had was a dick to me. So I was a dick back.
    Respect is earned, not given.
    It served me better than you would think. As I own my own business and am quite happy.
    As for the teachers that I despised, I`m sure most of them are dead now.
    If the students of America want an a education system to be proud of they have to fight for it.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Personally I despise teachers. Every one I had was a dick to me. So I was a dick back.
    Respect is earned, not given.

    You are a huge douchebag.
    I believe the teachers earned their respect by graduating. They absolutely do not need to earn your respect.
    Do you treat old ladies in the street with the same disrespect? You don`t know them so obviously t hey have not earned your respect yet..

    And the argument that you are running a business is not a good one. Every idiot can run a business, you don`t necessarily end up under a bridge. And of course running a business doesn`t mean that your way has made you a good person, it only means that you found a way to pull the money out of people`s wallets.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    As much as i agree with him, esp after the lackluster respone by the teacher. There is smth not quite right about that dude. The way he speaks and his composure raised a flag with me, anybody else have that?

    yes, it was a bit rythmical, like a learned script book, maybe like a rap performance
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    Just because people have to earn respect doesn`t mean I can` be nice in the meantime. I can be quite pleasant to people, without respecting them.
    I know a friend of a friend who is actually a teacher. I fear for the kids in her class. She`s a complete nutcase. As were most teachers I had.
    Although I`m sure you know that being from where I`m from and being the same age.
    People with political office think they should be respected. Do you? With all the corruption and pandering? Our PM is a traitorous corporate maggot. I have less than none for him. I hope he gets the flesh eating bacteria.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Maybe he`s right.
    Or maybe he`s an idiot .
    We don`t know how well she teaches.
    She just wanted him to leave before he got violent.
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    From what I`ve read, the US school system is similar to ours in that the basic problem is teachers are too hamstrung by set curricula. It makes it an enormously frustrating job for those who would be good at it - creative, engaging flexible people who adapt to the classroom they`re teaching - and far too easy for people who shouldn`t be doing it at all - lazy people who see it as a decent pay check with long holidays - to just print off and handout boring home works.

    I think to do it effectively you need to love teaching, to be passionate about forming young people into intelligent, well rounded adults. There are teachers like that out there but they are in a minority.

    I don`t think teachers deserve respect unless they earn it, especially from school children who should learn to judge people on merit and not on their title. Civility and respect are two separate things.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    "You are a huge douchebag.
    I believe the teachers earned their respect by graduating. They absolutely do not need to earn your respect.
    Do you treat old ladies in the street with the same disrespect? You don`t know them so obviously t hey have not earned your respect yet.. "

    so what about your "wicked witch"? heard a lot of that "respect" then on the radio the week that she died...

    dont start no poo wont be no poo. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. all that poo.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 2:57 pm
    Like @Gerry said she may or may not be lazy we don`t know other than the word of a kid that looks like a hippy version of the dell dude...
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm
    Fancy, i posted this one day or so ago. :(
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    Teacher seemed pretty apathetic. `You`re wasting my time.` -Really? Your time?

    He mentioned a prior incident where she spoke about her paycheck? -Inappropriate. Talk about your paycheck with the person who hands it to you! No one else.

    Maybe she could have tried to convince him that whatever this "packet" is, that it has a purpose and is worth doing. Instead, she tells him to leave.

    He`s challenging her to challenge them. She wants no part of it. Sad.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm
    i`m amazed at the people calling this kid disrespectful because he WANTS his teacher to care and thus get the kids to care about their education. and suddenly, because he cares and says something about it and you see him as the bad guy? wow! call him a douche-bag all you want but when you criticize someone asking for a better education for him and his peers, well it appears you may be the real douche-bag after all.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    The fact that he gives this "advice" upon being asked to leave makes it wreak of BS
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    *slow clap*
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    Video removed...? Anyone have another link?
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    dkm458 Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    Here it is:


    http://tinyurl.com/bmzp8bw
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    Typical Oppositional Defiant Disorder punk thinking he is smarter than the adults. I see it all the time.


    I like it though, it means job security for me.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    The teacher is on paid leave during the investigation, and Jeff does not face any disciplinary action.

    Here`s an update
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2013 at 9:25 pm
    Help me out here. I am completely serious: what is a "packet" in this context? I don`t know what that is.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    A "packet" will contain a list of reading material. Then written questions to consider and possibly essay assignments. Other interactive assignments such as "Match the name to the object" or whatever.

    Lazy teachers use them because they can just copy the packet year after year and not really bother teaching at all.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm
    Help me out here. I am completely serious: what is a "packet" in this context?
    Apparently it`s from a set of printed self-directed lessons so the teacher can sit on her fat, lazy butt and surf the Internet or read a magazine while the students try to teach the material to themselves.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 12:26 am
    @elkingo

    You are the perfect example of what`s wrong with therapist these day`s you: "diagnosed" and labeled your cashcow in 3 minutes. Whilst bieng completely unable to deal with your own addiction.

    A: he`s a bit tame for a ODD don`t ya think?
    B: could there be any other reason/ motivation for his behaviour?
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    Adcro Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 3:05 am
    Why are they laughing instead of applauding? People don`t learn from being given packets of assignments rather than being taught by the teacher. That woman sounded like she didn`t give a damn, and if she doesn`t teach, and does in fact just give out assignment packets, there`s no point in her even being there, they could just leave the packets on the front desk.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:09 am
    "long haired white boy runnin his mouth"

    Racist.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:23 am
    @Mr. Orange -

    I was making a guess to a diagnosis, not providing a formal one. This kid dropped out once before, and his parents allowed it. Where are they? They condone this behavior?

    He comes back to school, and instead of discussing a complaint about something like a normal, well adapted person - he jumps to the front of the class, makes a loud disruptive statement, lyrically mind you, before getting louder and louder. You don`t think any of that is maladaptive?

    So what if his teacher is wrong? That does not make his actions correct. He handled his problems in a very disrespectful manner, and disrupted the entire class, and undermined any authority the teacher has.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:30 am
    (continued)

    We live in a society that perpetuates this sort of behavior. There is no punishment for this sort of behavior, and the kid is getting what he wants for his behavior - attention and praise.

    Standing up and yelling at people or making them the butt of a joke is not how "normal" people deal with problems. How do you think this type of coping skill would go over in other situations? Court? Job? Family life? My guess is pretty poorly. However, everyone is jumping on the "praise the kid; schools suck" bandwagon. Because that is what need more of, right? Children and adolescents that can tell a teacher they suck, while we chuckle about it.

    Also, ODD merely means defiant and oppositional, not unruly. Check out the DSM IV criteria here. All that I am lacking is solid evidence th
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 4:32 am
    (cont)

    All that I am lacking is solid evidence that the behavior lasted for 6 months. However, like I said before, I was merely speculating as to a diagnosis.
    Plus, last night I was celebrating with a beer. Lol


    You say that a kid like that is a "cash cow" for me. I find that hilarious that you would resort to ad hominem. I am salary.. it really matters not to me how many kids I see, or how long I see them. Just so that I have some kids to see, and am able to help them adjust to different things (like this sort of behavior) and learn some coping skills.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 6:31 am
    i`m sorry where is the guess part in this? might be my lack of language skills but i don`t see it?

    "Typical Oppositional Defiant Disorder punk thinking he is smarter than the adults. I see it all the time."

    "You say that a kid like that is a "cash cow" for me" ...No you did.
    ""I like it though, it means job security for me.""

    as for DMS 4 and your other argument: yeah.. as this thread might indicate, not everybody here thinks this kid is "maladjusted" infact he`s gathering some suport behind him.

    Basicaly all i read is personal opinion of how things ought to be according to you, and on the basis of that you just labeled someone for the rest of his life. but hey.. it pay`s the bills right.




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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:16 am
    MrOrange, I am glad you think we should live in a world where it is acceptable behavior for children to stand up in a classroom and disrespect his teacher for whatever reason, without first hearing her side of the story, and only based on a few moments of his statements -- whether they are true statements or not is a moot point.

    It simply is not normal behavior to be disruptive to an entire classroom because you disagree with a teacher`s methods.

    I do like it when children need help. The fact that I was celebrating with beer seems to elude your comprehension. " labeled someone for the rest of his life" Seriously? If everyone thinks my opinion is a professional life label when I have a beer buzz, then there are more serious problems to consider.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:23 am
    Also Mr. Orange, you need to consider facts:

    1. This kid dropped out on his own accord before.
    1.a. What about state laws that require him to get an education? Why was he not placed on truancy charges?

    2. We do not see the event that lead to this outburst.
    2.a. He was given a packet? (Not a reason to have an outburst.)
    2.b. Did his teacher say anything that would instigate his actions? We do not know.
    2.c. What are his current grades?

    3. Is it appropriate to express discontent in the classroom?
    3.a. Expressing discontent with a curriculum has nothing to do with the teacher, the Board of Education dictates lessons.
    3.b. Arguing with a teacher is not appropriate.
    3.c. Disrupting the rest of the class is not appropriate.


    4. His statements are lyrical in nature. -- this indicates he "planned" to be disruptive in defiance.


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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:28 am
    I suggest ODD because we see several criteria displayed:

    He lost his temper (as displayed by an outburst), He argues with an adult (first by refusal to do his packet, and second by not leaving the classroom), defiance in adult request for him to leave the room (he did not leave, instead stayed and argued), deliberately annoys others (the rest of the class was disrupted), blames others (it is the teacher`s fault he "had an outburst"). If we assume that the previous drop out was related to similar consequences, we have a basis for arguing 6 month history -- however this is just a guess on my part. (I did read about the story before making my initial post.)
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:30 am
    Criteria B - caused him significant impairment to complete academic work -- he was removed from a classroom, thus he meets criteria B.

    Criteria C - He does not seem to be psychotic, nor does he seem to have a mood issue. Although, I did not conduct a formal clinical interview, I am merely suggesting ODD as a possibility.

    Criteria D - also, and for the same reasons as Criteria C, I can only make assumptions.


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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:34 am
    I am merely suggesting that this kid suffers from a problem with authority. There is a history of that evident. This outburst is not appropriate, and is maladaptive.

    If he has a problem with how a teacher conducts her class, he should go through the proper channels and not in a classroom. His parents should be involved in a Parent - Teacher Association (PTA), he should file a complaint with the principal first, and the Board of Education (BOE) secondly.

    I don`t really care how many people support him, what he did was wrong. If the teacher is wrong, then that does not justify his actions. He was disrespectful, end of story.

    I for one don`t like the idea of living in a nation that wants and encourages youth to be defiant in everything they encounter. If you don`t like something, fine. Work appropriately to change it.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2013 at 8:59 am

    @ elkingo - what you say makes sense, but is it possible you`re over thinking it? Isn`t it just as likely he`s a spoiled little snot who throws tantrums and gets his way?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Gerry -- haha yea probably to some degree. I just live in a world that courts order children like him into treatment, and they have to have a label within the first hour of services.

    I basically have to over think a lot of situations. I work in a Day Treatment facility, were this sort of behavior is considered contempt of court. This kid thinks packets suck, but I guarantee he would change his attitude in an alternative school setting -- they get lessons scrolled across to them on a computer.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 9:29 am
    Ha!
    The mother weighs in saying, "he did not loose control, he kept himself composed, and stayed on the issue, and therefore..."

    Seriously? Yelling at a teacher to me is loosing control.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 9:39 am
    I`ve been reading about this case on breaks today. I keep learning more about the case because it is relevant to me.

    Jeff Bliss is 18. His classmates are 15.
    He was complaining that some students have 3 days to complete an assignment, but his class has 2 days.

    His mother condones and supports his behavior.

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 9:40 am
    Also, his mother is a teacher...

    which makes Jeff a teacher`s child.

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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 9:51 am
    STRAIGHT THE drat OUTA DOGTOWN YO
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 10:07 am
    "Jeff Bliss is 18. His classmates are 15.
    He was complaining that some students have 3 days to complete an assignment, but his class has 2 days.

    His mother condones and supports his behavior. "

    If that doesn`t fit the profile of a spoiled, little brat, I dunno what does. The mother sounds like a jellyfish. I wonder if she`s a single parent. She probably thinks that it`s great that she`s being supportive of him then cries at night out of fear over the monster her negligence created.

    Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
    I`ve got another puzzle for you
    Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
    If you are wise you will listen to me
    Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
    Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
    Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
    You know exactly who`s to blame:
    The mother and the father!
    Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
    If you`re not spoiled then you will go far
    You will live in happiness too
    Like the Oompa Loomp
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2013 at 10:09 am
    LOL maybe that`s too simple of an answer though.
    I really know nothing about this kid or his family.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Nice one geogypsy
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Geogypsy - you sir win 10 Internets. I had to quickly walk outside to laugh. They are testing here today, and I have to be quite.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:02 am
    @elkingo

    you`re over thinking your defence of a snap judgement. All we saw was a few minutes of a recording someone else made and posted.

    1: did you ask him why he did what he did?
    2: do you know how he felt at the time?
    3: do you have any knowlegde of his background?

    there could be quit a few possible explenations for his behaviour, and there is even the posibility that indeed his teachers is bad at her job. i agree with you on his manner of speech, i even said it raised a flag with me. but until you had a good chat with the kid there is no evidence to support your "diagnoses"

    Oh and don`t try and deflect by claiming to know what i think. you don`t. unless i tell you.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:20 am
    Mr. Orange -- really?

    Therapist watches video while having some beers. Reads online stories about it. Relates it to what he has seen professionally and makes a comment. Later, when sober explains comment.

    What part of that are you having difficulty with me on?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:22 am
    "and there is even the posibility that indeed his teachers is bad at her job."

    This is no excuse for his behavior. I don`t know how much more to discuss this with you.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:30 am
    . . . Wait.. I am starting to think you have some sort of issue with mental health in general Mr. Orange.

    Let me explain to you how in a clinical setting, and not an online opinion forum, a diagnosis is reached.

    1. Typically, a referral for services is made. Sometimes clients refer themselves, sometimes it is parents, sometimes the school.

    2. Appointment is made after services have been offered.

    3. During appointment, there is a clinical interview which usually takes a full hour. Sometimes there is also testing in the form of personality tests or IQ tests (to rule out MR most generally).

    4. After sometimes hours of case conceptualization and information gathering, a diagnosis is made. This is also the least stigmatizing diagnosis.


    as opposed to what you seem to think I do:

    Watch 1-2 min video. Label someone for life. Profit.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:40 am
    @elkingo

    actually.. i work in mental health care.. so yeah i guess i have a real big problem with it..

    "as opposed to what you seem to think I do:
    Watch 1-2 min video. Label someone for life. Profit."

    well i can only observe what is shown to me know can`t i? the thing i really like about you though, is the part where you say. well i had a few beers so i needed to explain my comment.
    you`re between 30 and 39 years of age, a trained therapist. This is an uneducated 18 year old, who throws a fit.. why should i excuse you if you can`t excuse him?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:52 am
    "why should i excuse you if you can`t excuse him?"

    I can list all sorts of reasons:

    This is a public opinion forum, not a public school.

    My comment does not disrupt the learning ability of others.

    Nothing I said was disrespectful to anyone.



    Also, what do you mean by excuse? My opinion of his behavior isn`t some sort of divine judgement. However, you seem to want something from me that I have not given you.

    Lets see...

    1. My original statement was wrong?
    - wasn`t clear
    -influenced by alcohol
    2. I explained my conclusion later:
    - I don`t dx in 1-2 min
    - this case seems like others I have seen (other ODD cases)
    -I am salary, so I don`t "profit" from number of cases or duration seeing people


    Is there some other issue you have with me? Or have I not covered everything you seem to be banging on about?

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Lets turn this around Mr. Orange and see how you like it.

    You are from Europe, and work in the mental health care field.

    Where did you receive your training to be qualified to make judgments on a different culture than your own? How can you prove that competency? What is your level of education? Do you not understand American Ethical standards of practice or something?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    @ elkingo - I think, as you are wearing wizard robes they were expecting a bit more magical answer that would clear up all questions.

    Either that or they were trolling you and you fell for it.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    Preach on, Jeff!
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    Gerry - Lol, maybe you are right... but they failed to realize that is my Master`s hood. Lol.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5433 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    (I wore it that way to be silly. Lol)
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 9:28 pm
    elkingo,

    There is no need to turn this around as this isn`t about me, i`m not the one who made a snap judgement, and after he get called on it wiggled and squirmed his way out of it.

    "1. My original statement was wrong?
    - wasn`t clear
    -influenced by alcohol"

    There, that was all that was needed. we all make mistakes, the question is, what do we learn from them?

    anyway, have a nice one.
















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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 9:29 pm
    @gerry1of1

    Did that really come across as trolling?

    bugger
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    Mr. Orange -- in my initial response, albeit 3 posts, to you, I did say my original statement was influenced by alcohol. Just saying. )-|
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14620 posts
    May 10, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    @elkingo`s having a hissy fit. Oooooohlala!
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 11, 2013 at 4:48 am
    Lol.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 7:25 am
    @elkingo

    I know you did, i also noticed something else in the same posts which made me pursue my point. just saying ;-)

    in all fairness i should say it`s a sore point with me so you migth have gotten the raw end of the stick, i`ve seen one too many quick and wrong diagnoses that as you can imagine, did not do the patient a lot of good. Have you been following the DSM V debat? brrrr
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 11, 2013 at 9:51 am
    I have actually! Did you know the NIMH is pulling support for the DSM V?? Its from a fluff magazine, but here is a link.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    May 11, 2013 at 9:52 am
    I know how you feel about wrong diagnoses as well.. haha I guess that is why I answered so passionately.. I have to advocate and correct a lot of diagnoses. I assure you though, when I make a diagnosis it will be very accurate and least stigmatizing.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 10:14 am
    @elkingo

    That`s good to hear (about your diagnoses) i like people who are passionate about their job.
    about the DSM V, i didn`t know about the NIMH pulling support, behind the curtians there is simuliar stuff going on over here. I can understand the reasoning behind it, but i`m worried for the patients and people that need to pay for their treatement/meds. We have been having major budget cuts over here.. and my prediction is that a lot of people who should be off the street will be forced back on it.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5433 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 10:59 am
    Same over here.. major budget cuts. We have to request services, and they are being limited more and more. They are even shortening hospital stays. One of the reasons I am against Obamacare - but that is another topic. I fear for some of my more chronic clients (PTSD etc) when they start to get less and less maintenance services. It is getting pretty desperate in some situations. We (the professionals) have to argue for every single service we offer. I was hoping the DSM V would help with coverage for my kiddos. (I work in children`s services).
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    May 11, 2013 at 11:39 am
    @elkingo

    we used to have some of the best healthcare in the world. but due to the "economy" cuts cuts cuts..
    It`s the age old problem of mental health care. you can see a broken leg, put a splint around it and in 6 weeks you`ll be right. figuring out what`s wrong with someone mentally, finding a way for them to cope/deal with it and reintregating them back into society is hmmm.. not as easy to understand for a person who hasn`t immersed themself in the matter.
    Over here people with schizophenia, MPS are the ones i`m worried about the most. but even depression and such are starting to become your problem. I predict that within a year or two we`ll have schizophrenics on the street without meds. (brrr)
    But, i love my work. and will find way`s to continue. I hope you do too.
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    Servo355 Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2013 at 7:17 am
    Why the drat is this in the games category on IAB?
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    eggsnham Male 13-17
    1140 posts
    June 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    I don`t see what all the fuss is about. In my high school there was at least one instance of a student getting fed up with a teacher and storming out of class every week. I was witness to at least a dozen such instances and never did a student have anything constructive to say about anything while walking out of class.

    All this talk of ODD about a kid who was making a valid argument given the context is silly; he could have handled it better, sure, but it`s not like he was screaming at the top of his lungs, cursing at the teacher incessantly, and claiming that he didn`t need an education.

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