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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    Link: Sad But True - Hey, at least we are what they are all comparing themselves to, that`s good, right? Right?
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    *sigh* Wish I could afford to move...
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    Finland gets a lot of stuff right.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    Untrue.

    Teachers should be paid on merit.
    Agreed about the drugs. Not synthetic drugs though.
    Iceland is not a good representative of the world recession, or even the US recession. It`s freaking Iceland. Their chief exports are Dragons and Screaming.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    Not exactly true, the Finnish teacher salary thing was debunked I believe.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    ...but the drug thing has been shown to work on multiple occasions.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    USA! USA! USA! Where a bag full of money will buy you a congressman.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    I`ll go with the second two, but not the Finish school system.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:16 pm
    *sigh* I wish my fellow countrymen weren`t blind or castrated sheep.
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    JDplaysFF Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    "Teachers should be paid on merit."

    Sounds good in a perfect world, but how would you judge merit? I doubt you could come up with something that can`t be faked or exploited.

    No, you want good teachers, you make the job something worth aspiring to. In the USA, it simply isn`t.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Now what are Finish doctors payed cause if we payed US teacher doctor salary all our money would go to taxes and we probably still couldn`t afford it!
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    i have heard explanations as to why Iceland is not actually recovering, and why the fact that they are recovering should not mean the same strategy would work for the rest of the world. The only problem with THAT is that the source helped to get us into this mess in the first place. Anyway- why NOT make those who did wrong pay...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    "Now what are Finish doctors payed"

    (converted to US dollars for ease)

    Doctors make about $3,177 a month in Finland, compared to about $8,189 in the USA.

    Teachers in the USA make about $4,930 per month on average, not including benefits. Let that settle for a moment.
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    uberpomar Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    But US can bomb`em and kill`em all in one sec. Take that Finland!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    auburnjunky pears and oranges. The cost of life is different in the two countries.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Anyway- why NOT make those who did wrong pay...

    They should I`ve heard nothing about them paying taxpayers back which mean they stole our taxs dollars. Not to mention if that were anyother place they`d go bankrupt for running their bussiness wrong! There`s too many banks that`s the problem thin out the heard!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    I know Piperfawn. It costs more to live in Finland.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    @piperfawn: Actually I think cost of living in Finland is more, but I could be wrong. Funny thing that isn`t gettin the mention though is how their students are testing above-average in spite of the lack of money, so something else they are doing that we aren`t is working.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Teachers in Finland don`t get doctors salary. They do have good salary, principals gets more than a fresh new doctor. Professors are in the same bracket as doctors and lawyers. Most publicly paid professions get salary increase the more time they`ve been employed but average salaries are comparable to other higher education professions. So regular "high-school" teacher has better pay than the equivalent US teacher (measured against the average income or what ever you want to use as a base line for each country in question. And our lawyers aren`t getting such a big checks either, or doctors, compared to general population, it`s called equality.
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    Krogholt Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    auburnjunky: I have no idea where you came up with that random salary for Finnish doctors, but according to a real source (NY Times, 2009), they make 74,000 US$ per year, which equals 6,167$ per month. That the statement about teachers making as much is bogus is a different story.
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    Krogholt Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    Btw, the 74,000 is for a specialist. A general practioner makes 68,000, so "only" 5,667 per month, but still quite a lot more than 3,000
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    "I`ll go with the second two, but not the Finish school system."

    Why not? Finland has been ranked has having the best school system in the world. Story
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    patchgrabber Public services,this is the difference. But hey, don`t spread the word too much or someone here gonna call Finland a communist place.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    Hey Krogholt: This is where I got it.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    In Finland maybe they pay also really hig taxes,but they receive the "state of the art" in therm of services from the state. The state follow every citizen since his born with top quality services involving every aspect of life.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    I`ve found the US problem they`re called lawyers!!
    Exibit A!
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    Cost of living is very high, amongst the highest in the world. And still less poverty and less hungry people (there`s always some, nothing is perfect, Finland is still far away from it). Everybody pays taxes, you lose 20% from your unemployment check due taxes (i`m "tax free" as i`m a student, yipee, any paying work i do are taxed of course, but not my student allowances, same as some pensioners)...I get around 900-1000€ per month and i have more than 300 left for food and personal expenses after utility bills are paid.. rent (35000 people town, close to centre, good condition 40m2) is 550€, electricity ~40€ per month, internet 20€ etc. to get some idea. Half is paid by student allowance and the rest by welfare. Bread is around 2-3€, milk is >1€, meat >10€/kg so food ain`t cheap, a BicMac meal (i think) is somewhere around 8€, n
  28. Profile photo of Krogholt
    Krogholt Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Ahhh, we`re talking post-taxes... Well, then you`d have to factor in all the things that the taxes pay for in Finland, but that you have to pay extra in the US, e.g. healthcare / health-insurance, college/university education, etc... But sure, the 42 % tax in Finland vs. the 23 % tax in the US does take a heavy toll.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    Krogholt this is sexactly what is ay to people that tell me in USA taxes are lower than here in Italy. Can be true,but you also heve to see what are the services your taxes are used for. When someone tell me in USA taxes are lower i allways say "yes,but you must add the expenses for healt insurances and istruction to be fair".
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    Doctors get more than what some statistics say. A large part of them work part time in communal, just enough to get the salary and then the rest of their time is spent on private clinics.

    Medicin is a good point to bring up, Finnish system specifically demands that the cheapest medicine available is recommended so the price gap between generic and brand name drugs stays low. Only the drugs that are enjoying their patent protection are high priced. There were a lot of education (tv programs, press, not done by goverment but free media, you know the ad-showing kind..it was a good story..) to get rid of the brand vs generic placebo effect (brand names work better even if the pill is the same..)

    System takes care of you from cradle to grave, it`s non-intrusive, mainly it`s there if you want it. Only when a person is committed as unfit to take care of himself you are really nannied.
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:16 pm
    They are all white. The opposite of what America does. They all have strict immigration rules, The opposite of what America does.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    chicagojay Maybe,but is not the color of the skin that made the difference,is the istruction.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    Good point Jay.

    Blacks ruin it for everyone! ;)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    They are all ting.
    Opposite of America.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    America, the once golden boy, is now the worlds laughing stock.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    Yet millions of people break the law every year to live here.

    Laughing stock.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    Predominantly white, immigration is strict, that is true. We are only 5 million citizens, we can only take what we can feed and educate. Another alternative is to bring more and not give proper chances, they`d be stuck in some halfway camp, fed and warm but lacking basic education (that all sounds very 4rd reich so that`s not an option here), one option is to try to blend the refugees to population quickly causing mass unemployment and racial segregation, slums, inequality.

    Better to keep a well functioning society. It`s all the time changing in to multi-cultural society, as a student 1/4 of my peers talk another language. Plus immigrants are very very keen on education, they get a profession, they can help their families back home and bring them here too eventually.

    It`s slow process, hindered by a certain right wing populist party trying to sabotage things "US style" to have it their way.. We are figthing back.
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
    511 posts
    May 7, 2013 at 2:49 pm
    America is simply following the exact same pattern every civilization in recorded history has followed. Rapid expansion followed by decline and then decay. At some point America will be invaded and relegated to the history books. Remember what they say about those who fail to learn from history.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:49 pm
    US immigration issue is not the same, we don`t have Russians jumping border or Swedes trying to get in. Why US immigration is an issue now is more to do with absolute horrible exploitation and control of Mexico and South America that`s now blowing up to your faces. I can`t say i`m sorry about that, all i`m sorry is that the situation is salvageable: truly helping the poor nations right next to your superpower would make a totally different kind of "buffer-zone", US could have the whole American continent in couple of centuries, immigrants returning to home, prosperity, happiness, progress, freedom...
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    CreamK Nice to know,keep on the "fight".
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    Now that i think of it USA could have the whole continent in few decades...
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    @caper454

    I sure hope that isn`t your real age. Your comment makes you sound about 13 and totally ridiculous. Not to mention the US and Canada are pretty tight and if it falls who`s going to cover your ass?
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    caper454 " there is nothing new under the sun" no matter how much you study history. History continuosly repeat herself. All empires are in the decline in the exact same time they born.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    ak4775 Ah,is you that are talking like a 13 years old. What caper454 says is well known by humans from millennium.
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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:48:59 PM
    America is simply following the exact same pattern every civilization in recorded history has Caper454 "followed. Rapid expansion followed by decline and then decay. At some point America will be invaded and relegated to the history books. Remember what they say about those who fail to learn from history."

    Unfortunately, as an American I do agree with you.. This country has not learned from the past. Our political leaders let the big businesses dictate to them what ought to be done, and our leaders are signing away all of the rights and privileges that millions have died for since this country was first founded. I love my country, it is my home, but I`m not proud of it.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    One thing very different between our countries. Finland did not try to get those top ranking positions, We tried to aim for the average, in the middle. Not too good not too bad. This all came as a surprise to us, we thought we had stuff to improve to even keep up. It`s been very good for moral around here, finally we can keep our heads up.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    A revolution is more likely to happen before total collapse, there are no chance of it happen totally with out bloodshed but a fairly civilized one is the probable option Total military power is wayyy too large to guess what will actually happen, it`s truly unknown as no nation has existed with such a huge military power in the entire history of mankind, a nation that is capable of striking anywhere and with full power, can destroy any nation on earth..

    So fairly civilized revolution or total global meltdown, not very attractive options no matter where you live. And you wonder why we mock you, constructively, trying to get some reason. Europe likes USA, we have no ill towards you. Nor are we willing to support every hairbrained world domination scheme (UK is the exception here)
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    Revolution is the only thing that could be done by the people at this point.. and even that is being stiffed, and in fact, may not be possible anymore. It would take an immense immobilization of all the people in the entire country for it to succeed. with a clear goal: no violence, just take back our country. Granted there will be people who will just want to be violent, and who will be against it and try to stop it. So regular citizens for this movement would have to act as peace officers (lots of them, like 20 per violent person), to ensure that they aren`t being violent, adn if they are, they`re sent home. A lot of people are afraid when huge numbers of people are stopping them. It would have to be coordinated, swift, quick. Get in to the halls of power, peacefully usher out those who hold power, and nullify their positions. Immediately after there would need to be order with a goal of rebuilding the country. It can be done.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm
    But i suspect that the change will come from outside the borders of that country. After all, it is a lot of people to coordinate, and the world is chanting against it`s presidency... "DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!! ..." every day it`s chanted more and more...

    It wouldn`t surprise me if when its decay comes to full, that the enemies of the nation come in full force.

    It is sad that the people can rally when disaster strikes, and work to help one another.. but can`t get themselves together to divert or soften an impending fall.

    I just hope that the ones in control of that nation will be reach out for help from the ones who know how to help, before the ones who would destroy come to destroy.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2013 at 7:04 pm
    Y`know, Smiley, I really DO hear that chant a lot. BUT IT`S ALWAYS COMING FROM YOU! I have yet to hear it from anyone else, despite your claims that "every day it`s chanted more and more..."
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    Yet another rare occasion in which I agree with chalket.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2013 at 3:06 am
    chalket: that doesn`t surprise me in the least, i`ve noticed a lot of folks in the nation tend to ignore what they dont like to hear, which is why i suspect the change will come from outside the nation, rather than within. I`m just bringing it to the open so people can be aware. Might also want to be aware that most of the world sees the nation as ajoke, with people talking of how free they are, but how it`s basically on the road to a police state.

    It`s a sad situation for that nation, and even more so for its people. I hope they can make the necessary changes in the nation before foreign powers do. It`s a pretty steep uphill battle for the entire nation though, because of the pride and the greed. (yeah it`s everywhere, but glorified there).
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    New_Guy Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2013 at 5:26 am
    So wait a minuet... applying common sense to problems can solve them!!!



    Naa can`t be that simple!
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    May 8, 2013 at 6:44 am
    Re: Finnish schools, here are some more facts:

    1) Individual schools have curriculum autonomy; individual teachers have classroom autonomy. (no central government meddling)
    2) All teachers are required to have a master`s degree.
    3) A much higher percentage of Finland`s educational budget goes directly into the classroom than it does in the US, as administrators make approximately the same salary as teachers.

    Similar to private schools here. It`s not just about the money, it`s about separation of school and state. And demand for excellence in the teachers rather than union-based mediocrity. We need to end the public school system and give everyone vouchers so that the successful private school system can flourish.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2013 at 6:52 am
    @TheGuySmiley,

    Actually, it`s just you doing the chanting. Most of the World thinks that Obama is the best thing that has happened to the U.S. Finally, someone who cares about the people.

    Now, if you right wing guys can step out of the way and stop hindering Obama at every turn, he can finally fix your terribly broken country and make it into one of the greatest countries in the World (a claim you often make but are so far away from being).
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 8, 2013 at 8:06 am
    finally fix your terribly broken country and make it into one of the greatest countries in the World (a claim you often make but are so far away from being).

    Now what would we be measuring that with??
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    monkerz Male 30-39
    194 posts
    May 8, 2013 at 9:28 am
    We need to combine all three and create a new country, Finlandugal.
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    dethkt66 Male 50-59
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    May 8, 2013 at 10:11 am
    Yep, that`s the way to greatness...just see what America does and do the opposite.
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    May 8, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Iceland also refused to pay back all the money it owed and has never been anything other than a bit-player on the global stage, the same could be said about all 3 of these countries actually.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    May 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm
    Well all this proves is anyone can make a fancy picture with words on it and post it on-line and somehow that makes it all true.

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