Man Tricks Girlfriend Into Taking Abortion Pill

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 4 years ago in Weird

Under the guise of helping her with antibiotics he kills their child after a visit to his father, who is a doctor.
There are 75 comments:
Male 201
Yes, bigfatdynamo, because males do not currently have enough control over the lives and bodies of females, a man who impregnates a woman should be able to make decisions regarding abortion. WWJD, right?
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Male 201
Yeah, Emmettyville, most people pay for a laboratory analysis of any pill they take that is given to them by a significant other.
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Female 4,359
what kinf of a f ucking idiot takes medication that someone else gives them without question? and it`s amusing that f ucking millions of babies are aborted every year in the U.S. (some of them after birth- see that kermit abortion doctor guy) and no one bats a f ucking eyelid. That guy does deserve to rot in jail, but no less than all the other bastards that kill unborn babies every day in abortion clinics.
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Male 4,164
good for him! Big win!
now a woman can see how it feels.
any its his baby his choice
phuck her!
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Male 40,411
[quote]Wait, where was I when pmarren was allowed back? Watch out @5cats! XD[/quote]
@patchy: There was a big thread about it a while back. No worries: he seems to have mellowed, and wasn`t a problem for me before anyhow.

@MrPeabody: Apparently various types of these pills require various dosages. The "later" you start them = the more pills you need to take.

The boyfriend said it was the case (infection) but there`s no proof (yet!) that his Dad was actually involved. It should come out in court one way or the other. Those pills are OTC eh? But mis-labeling them is a crime.

@HalfPintRoo: Turning 30? Happy Birthday!
It`s all downhill from here :-D I`m hitting 50 in December... :-(
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Male 39,619

About this "brain activity" argument. Because we call a lack of brain activity "brain death" some use the standard to define the person-hood of a baby. But this is a poor analogy. The man in a coma`s brain is not functioning as it should. A baby @ 4 weeks may not have detectable brain activity yet, but his brain is behaving completely normal for his age. So he`s totally healthy - just very young.
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Male 427
@Gerry1of1
Since it`s at 6 weeks that the brain starts having activity I`d say that should be limit for an abortion. Before that the fetus is basically a vegetable, so I`m of the opinion that it`s not really alive.

I also agree that it is her body and her choice, but if he has no choice then he shouldn`t have to be responsible for it either.

My opinion is that if she doesn`t want to be a mother then she has 6 weeks to abort, but he also has those 6 weeks to decide if he wants to be a father or not. If he doesn`t then she either aborts or raises the kid on her own.
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Male 8,447
turdburglar-"Where is that male birth control pill that science has been promising for so long?"

It`s a question of numbers. If a male birthcontrol pill were 99% effective, you`d still have to deal with over 4 million of these little buggers...each time.

Daegog-"Its more of a symbiont or parasite."

It meets the definition of neither.

Canoas-"It has no will of it`s own"

You`ve just proven liberals are not people.

Daegog-"The woman`s body is hers!"

The baby`s body is not her body.
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Male 39,619

BrimstoneOne, [quote]"The problem is fundamentalist/ right-wing loons want to reverse women`s rights. They want a bible version of sharia law."[/quote]
Don`t kid yourself. I`m a great big industrial strength homosexual atheist and I am against abortion. "Her Body" - no one denies that. But it`s a smokescreen argument that ignores the core issue. "Is the baby a person". Some say yes, others say no. But the stakes are potentially a babies life. So are you really willing to kill a baby based on your hunch that it`s not a person? No one can prove that it`s not a person, but left to it`s natural course we do know it will be a person.

AS for the woman`s right - she exercised those rights when she had sex. Does anyone have the right to kill a baby that has not committed a crime? Again the issue isn`t her rights, it`s the baby`s status as "person". If it`s not human then how can this be a murder charge?
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Male 2,229
The problem is, as I see it. Is that pregnancy/abortion is HER CHOICE. The woman`s body is hers! NO one has the right to take her civil liberties away. Wither it government or a disgruntled partner, her body is hers. That includes the fetus inside it. By law the fetus/baby is not a person until it leaves the body of the mother, thus is not a person until that time in which it is born. Various statues in American, Canadian and other European law have stated as such. The problem is fundamentalist/ right-wing loons want to reverse women`s rights. They want a bible version of sharia law. Or in the American case, the application of Dominionism or Dominion Theology (they are the same thing). A woman`s body is hers, and pregnancy is hers as well. As such termination of a pregnancy is solely that of the woman, it is her right, her body, her health.
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Male 2,357
@lauriloo

[quote]Interesting that you think the situations are comparable. AND that you couldn`t think of a situation where a man`s life was as potentially negatively impacted either health-wise or economically.[/quote]
Not really; I was illustrating the stupidity in dismissing the opinions of others simple because they have a limited experience in the area. Furthermore, I used a humorous comparison to demonstrate the absurdity.

Now, would you like some serious examples?

When the life expectancy of women drops to that of men, then we can discuss women`s healthcare.

When the percent of new college students actually reflects the population, then we can discuss women`s education.
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Male 15,187
If you believe women should be allowed to have abortions, you can`t support the prosecution of this man for murder if the foetus is below the termination limit. You might prosecute for assault occasioning bodily harm, or grievous bodily harm if there is significant complications to the mother and it can furthermore be proven that the woman was actually pregnant and that there was indeed a termination.
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Male 468
So no big deal then right guys? Since it`s not a baby that woman shouldn`t have any bad feelings about it. No harm no foul?
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Male 39,619

Basically, people who think a fetus is not a person "think" it`s not a person. But no one, not priest nor scientist, can point to a specific stage or date and say "THAT" is when it is a person.

Since a child`s life is the stakes I choose to err on the side of caution. The only thing we do know is that left to it`s own course it WILL be a baby.
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Male 427
@Gerry
It`s not dependence that makes you human or not. That is indeed a human being by all definitions, but it`s not a person. It can`t think at all, it has no brain activity whatsoever. Still, humans in coma are still people and do have brain activity, they just can`t wake up voluntarily. In the more severe cases where they`re just vegetables, and everyone refers to them as vegetables. The only reason they`re kept alive is due to the emotional attachment of other people.

Still, a fetus is a fetus, it`s not a person. It has no will of it`s own, it has no memories or feelings, it literally can`t feel anything. It does have the potential to become a person, but so does an ovum or a spermatozoon. The only difference is that the ovum and the spermatozoon need one more thing than the fetus does.
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Male 39,619

[quote]"a fetus is not a person. Its more of a symbiont or parasite."[/quote]
A parasite is a foreign body. The fetus belongs there...it came from there.

Y`all seem to be stuck on development. It`s little so it`s not human or It`s dependant on the mother so it`s not a person. We all have diferant stages of dependence. Initially you are fully dependant on the mother and cannot be transplanted. Later, you come out but you are still fully dependant on another person but developed enough it doesn`t have to be the mum. And you continue to gain independence as you grow in stages.

So you guys think if you are in an early stage of complete dependence you are not human. Is a person in a coma human? They are in complete dependence of others. Yes, we unplug them. In other words we let them take their natural course. We should do the same for a fetus, let him have his shot.
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Male 427
"Prove it. You made a statement, prove it`s true. Before you possibly kill a child, prove it is not a person. Or do you value life so highly that you would wipe one out just on your own intuition? "

It`s not developed, only after week 6 does it even have brain activity. Sure, the fetus has the potential to become a person, but it`s so far it`s not.



"Here is my proof - Wait. Just wait 9 months and it will prove to you itself that it is indeed a human life. Just not ready yet to poke his head out."

Then by that logic all 10 year olds are actually adults, just wait 8 years and they`ll prove themselves to be 18 year olds.

Also, may I ask why you`re referring to a person as "it"?
"and it will prove"
So, first you claim it`s a person and now you`re referring to the fetus as a thing. Interesting.. it seems even you don`t believe what you`re saying.
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Male 3,159
a fetus is not a person. Its more of a symbiont or parasite. It MIGHT one day become a person, but at a few weeks? not a chance.

But still, this guy is toast legally.
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Female 2,761
go Gerry1of1!
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Male 39,619

robthelurker, [quote]"a fetus is not a human being,"[/quote]
Prove it. You made a statement, prove it`s true. Before you possibly kill a child, prove it is not a person. Or do you value life so highly that you would wipe one out just on your own intuition?

No doubt you will come back to me and a say "prove it is a human". Okay, I will. Here is my proof - Wait. Just wait 9 months and it will prove to you itself that it is indeed a human life. Just not ready yet to poke his head out.
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Female 2,549
No linky
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Male 4,891

I am not saying that what he did was right. It defiantly was wrong..but I understand why. He did what millions of men have only dreamed of doing.

Where is that male birth control pill that science has been promising for so long?
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Female 1,803
"Idea! When women grow penises, then we can have a discussion on the merits of leaving the toilet seat up. Until then, you may not speak of it."

Interesting that you think the situations are comparable. AND that you couldn`t think of a situation where a man`s life was as potentially negatively impacted either health-wise or economically.
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Male 259
Today I learned that, according to American justice, only women are allowed to destroy fetuses. Equal rights, my ass.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I understand that, my point is that HOW can it be a murder for him but not for her? Where is the logic in that? How do the courts rationalize that?[/quote]

The law doesn`t have to be logical and rationalisation of anything is easy enough when you start from the end and work within whatever the customs are in any given time and place. So he can be charged with murder because current customs in that place allow it.


I think that it might be worth considering crimes in terms of varying degrees of theft of choice. That`s the essence of a crime - stealing a choice from someone else. If I steal your car, I`m stealing your choice of what to do with your car. If I kill you, I`m stealing all of your choices forever - hence murder being considered the most serious crime.
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Female 2,761
I thought the same thing, what role did the father have in it?

This is my last post in the "18-29" group. :(
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Male 1,920
A few things come to mind:

1. What is the normal dose of those pills? My understanding is RU485 is a one pill deal. So if they are RU485, what harmful effects would there be if she kept taking them?

2. She was taking the pills because of the results of a blood test. Where is the blood test? Was it forged, and what role did his father play in the prescription? He got the pills from somewhere.

If the father is involved, then he should also face jail time. Also would anyone feel comfortable seeing this doctor after this?
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Male 5,811
@MeGrendel: So your illogical argument was actually logical?
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Male 8,447
patchgrabber-"Well then it`s simply appeal to ridicule."


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Male 5,811
[quote]No, this premise is absurd. That`s the point.[/quote]
Well then it`s simply appeal to ridicule.
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Male 8,447
patchgrabber-"This premise is false."

No, this premise is absurd. That`s the point.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Well, my wallet is attached to my body[/quote]
This premise is false.
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Male 2,357
[quote]When someone invents a way to grow a baby entirely outside a woman`s body, we`ll have a discussion about it.[/quote]
We`re already having a discussion on it...

Idea! When women grow penises, then we can have a discussion on the merits of leaving the toilet seat up. Until then, you may not speak of it.
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Male 8,447
lauriloo-"as long as a fetus is attached to a woman`s body..."

...is, in the words of the Obama Administration, irrelevant.

lauriloo-"it`s HER choice"

Well, my wallet is attached to my body...does that mean that child support is MY choice?
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Male 3,626
@gerry i am talking about life. i value all life, but i understand the life of a human being is more important than that of an animals. a fetus is not a human being, nor is it an animal. a fetus is the very first stages of a creatures live. the value of the live of a fetus varies from person to person. i do value the life a fetus, but i value the life and opinions of the mother more.
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Male 5,811
[quote]We`re talking about people, not chickens.[/quote]
And you were talking about personhood, not murder.
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Male 79
What`s the punishment for being a trickster? It`s Flordia.....so it can be pretty much anything.
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Male 39,619

Why is it always Florida?

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Male 39,619

robthelurker, [quote]"@gerry "I bet the fetus would disagree with you if he had a chance" same thing could be said about chickens."[/quote]
We`re talking about people, not chickens. But I have no qualms saying I KILL CHICKENS. I KILL BABY CHICKENS. Those are animals and not murder. And if a woman did it, it still would not be murder.
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Female 1,803
sorry, but as long as a fetus is attached to a woman`s body, it`s HER choice, not the man`s. When someone invents a way to grow a baby entirely outside a woman`s body, we`ll have a discussion about it.
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Male 5,811
[quote]my point is that thinking abortion is wrong just because the fetus cant talk back to you is like thinking eating chicken is wrong just because they cant talk back to you.[/quote]
And that`s how you get slapped by the cold, hard hand of logic.
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Male 3,626
@andrew155 yes, you can say the same thing about them, as well as people in comas. whats your point? my point is that thinking abortion is wrong just because the fetus cant talk back to you is like thinking eating chicken is wrong just because they cant talk back to you.
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Male 8,447
5Cats-"He cannot be guilty of murder, so say the Pro-Choice Crowd."

He CAN be guilty of murder, so says Florida Law. (Pro-Choice Crowd has no say so).
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Male 5,811
Wait, where was I when pmarren was allowed back? Watch out @5cats! XD
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Male 8,447
wiscesq-"will depend on what Florida law says"

Florida Statutes: Title XLVI: Crimes: §782.09

Basically, if it were classified as manslaughter if the mother had died, so will the death of the unborn child be considered manslaugter.

So, in this case, the law will have to decide what degree of murder would have been charged HAD THE MOTHER DIED. He will be charged with THAT crime, but of the unborn child.
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Male 40,411
Date Rape drug before the date... Over The Counter abortion pills AFTER the date! It`s a very casual-sex world out there!

He cannot be guilty of murder, so say the Pro-Choice Crowd. He IS guilty of a lot of things, and still should be sent to jail for quite some time. But not for "murder"... sadly.

Although different State Laws may be different.

In Canada? Even if you stab an 8 months pregnant woman in the belly ON PURPOSE in order to kill the fetus? It`s not murder, just "assault".
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Male 3,626
@gerry "I bet the fetus would disagree with you if he had a chance" same thing could be said about chickens.
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Male 462
So why is abortion legal in the first place, if he`s being charged with murder..
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Male 2,578
robthelurker: The same could be said about 1 month olds, 2 month olds, 3 month olds and more by that measure.
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Male 3,626
@gerry "I bet the fetus would disagree with you if he had a chance" same thing could be said about chickens.
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Male 4,593
I`m pretty sure "she" was never pregnant... That`s a dude dressed like a chick if I ever saw one. Not fooling anyone.
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Male 321
At least he can`t get pregnant when Bubba`s raping him in jail.
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Male 111
When you "trick" someone into taking a medication that is anything other than what they think it is, you are poisoning them in the eyes of the law. At a minimum he will be convicted of aggravated battery against her. Regarding the unborn child, it will depend on what Florida law says about causing the death of a fetus. Quite a few states treat it as murder if it is done without the mothers consent (the most common case is a pregnant woman losing a baby as a result of some other kind of criminal attack against her such as rape or battery).
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Female 2,509
both parties know the possible consequences of having sex. If you don`t like any of the options (and ya`ll know what they are), be it the man or woman, as the gentleman said "Wrap it up!"

Can`t force the chick to have an abortion - awwww, poor baby, you knew that going in.

Have to pay child support - heh, knew that too.

Baby daddy wont pay support - beotch, you knew that was a possibility
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Male 8,447
Gauddith-"Hopefully the dippoo will have learned to use a condom next time."

Hopefully the dippoo will be removed from the gene pool.

I say leave him alone in a room with the girl, him chained to the wall and her with a big pair of scissors. Let her go Lorena Bobbitt on his ass. (except without the option of re-attachment)
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Male 2,578
Yes, the law is highly inconsistent. Killing a pregnant lady will often get you two murder charges, also.
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Male 10,338
....and murder whodat. Did you not hear murder?
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Female 231
I seriously don`t know how I feel about this. On one hand the guy is clearly a scumbag, and he should be tried under the fullest extent of the law. But on the other hand, I don`t view this as murder, and I do believe in fathers rights.

I might be one of the few, but I find it ridiculous that a woman can choose to give up her child or abort it before it develops. But the father is always responsible to be there for it even if he never wanted to have the child in the first place.

I`m tired of scumbag parents on both sides extorting situations to get as much as they can out of the other parent using the child as an excuse. It`s a perversion of a system that was put into place to help single mothers raise a child.

The guy is seriously drated up, but I can tell you he was probably trying to save his ass from years of legal battles involving the baby down the line. Hopefully the dippoo will have learned to use a condom next time.

Either way assault charges
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Male 10,338
Thee hasth a listhp.
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Male 3,908
They`ll get him for forging/falsifying a prescription and they can probably get him for assaulting her.
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Male 39,619

YugureKage, [quote]"I personally don`t see a fetus as a person until is living outside the womb."[/quote]
I bet the fetus would disagree with you if he had a chance. You allow killing it based on you personal opinion. I prefer something more solid before I condone killing someone.
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Male 2,424
Florida.
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Male 39,619

@bophus - I understand that, my point is that HOW can it be a murder for him but not for her? Where is the logic in that? How do the courts rationalize that?

A murder is a murder. Is it illegal for him to smoke pot but legal for her? He goes to jail for drunk driving while she is allowed to?

This double standing in a legal system that is supposed to be blind is ridiculous.
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Male 2,672
Oh the IAB pro choice crowd won`t like this.
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Male 2,100
This will be interesting. Cant charge him with murder... theft maybe? Or, as Obama likes to say, maybe he didnt want her to "be punished with a baby"
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Female 1,203
Gerry, I agree that I don`t understand the murder charges. It was only 6 weeks old, not old enough to live outside the womb. I am all kinds of confused. But...that`s the legal system for you. All kinds of loop-holes, and everything varying state-to-state. These kinds of laws need to be more consistent and understandable in layman terms.

I personally don`t see a fetus as a person until is living outside the womb. Personal opinion aside, this is very sad and the guy is douche.
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Male 1,625
He REAAAALLY didn`t want that baby. A lesson to dudes everywhere. Wrap it up.
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Male 3,626
i partially agree with gerry. i agree this shouldnt be a murder charge. but i completely disagree with "all abortion is murder".
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Male 497
@Gerry it isnt murder if the person carrying the fetus terminates. If an outsider terminates, it can be murder. It depends on the state.
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Male 39,619

I agree, I think it is murder. But I`m pointing out the inconsistency in the legal system. It`s murder when he does it, but not when she does it. If it`s a person it`s murder regardless of who kills it. We don`t do that for anything else. If you shoot someone it`s murder no matter the gender of the person pulling the trigger.
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Male 2,578
Murder makes no sense if a fetus is not legally a person.
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Female 1,539
It should be WAY more than an assault charge. Fraud for one. Malpractice on his father`s behalf...if I were her I would sue the poo out of his father.
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Female 1,539
What a bastard..
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Male 39,619

First he`s a total douche bag. She`s better off without him, sorry for her loss though.

However, if she can kill it because it`s not a person, how can this be a murder charge? I personally think all abortion is murder, but "legally speaking" how can this be a murder if the courts have determined it`s not a person? Assault charges would be more appropriate.
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Female 8,043
Link: Man Tricks Girlfriend Into Taking Abortion Pill [Rate Link] - Under the guise of helping her with antibiotics he kills their child after a visit to his father, who is a doctor.
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