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Date: 05/22/13 01:05 PM

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  1. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    Link: London Police Kill Suspected Terrorists - Killing a soldier with knives by decapitation. Clicky provided by ferdyfred & Andrew155. Story in the credits link.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Still in shock about this
    hacking a guys head off in a London street
    in mid afternnon WTF !
    and doing a fecking interview
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Once again it begins. For those who don`t pick up on it- pretty sure he is a Londoner by the voice.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    Islam - A Religion of Peace



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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    Okay- we have no idea. Other than the dact that the guy is nuts- so lets ignore the poo. He sounds like a Londoner, no idea what religion if any he has... for a young black guy it could go three ways but as likely to be Christian, or have no belief as being Islamic.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    But but but but Canos said no one would die if it were knifes were used in the shooting vid! What did they stop these guys with again.....
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    I think sadly this is a consequence of the relatively new trend of actively encouraging the servicemen and women to wear their uniforms in public, they`re easily identified and targeted later.

    Even in the 90`s we`d have been on a charge for wearing our uniforms in public due to the threat from the provisional IRA. Things like looking under your car, always having someone on `sharkwatch` if you were drinking in public, and varying your movements were standard drill...now they`re not and we`ve got complacement about our personal security measures.

    I think quietly they may now reverse the orders to show off your uniform.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    @madduck - He said "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you."
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    More & better info up on LiveLeak
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    More than one they snackbared it up too supposedly. Lets just ignore the writing on the wall though.....
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Cheers for that Whodat
    saw the ITN clip on the news and he was going on about eye for an eye
    Soldiers killing Muslims
    Despairing times
    and it aint going to get any better I fear mate
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Whatever he said, he said it in the same accent my nephew has- he is British through and through- born and bred in London- hates leaving it. Make of that what you will.
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    Adcro Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    What`s happened in Woolwich is a tragedy. It is not an excuse for anyone to spout their vile racist views about the innocent majority based on these two evil murderers.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Let`s all share a caliphate-sized Allah Snackbar and calm the Hell down.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    madduck
    Female, 40-49, Europe
    2862 Posts Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:28:45 PM
    Whatever he said, he said it in the same accent my nephew has- he is British through and through- born and bred in London- hates leaving it. Make of that what you will.
    -----------
    A lot of `fundamentalists` in the UK were born there
    the July bombers had regional accents
    just because you sound like a Londoner means nowt nowadays
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    @Adcro - Racism is "hatred or intolerance of another race or races." Nothing has been said regarding the race of these individuals.
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Actually, neither one of the terrorists were killed. They were both shot and are in two separate hospitals. I didn`t read all the comments if someone got that before me, I apologize.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Him being British through and through should be the scary part. Multiculturalism is a failure. The melting pot has been replaced with incoherent diversity, sectionalism, and pluralism. There is zero indication that any country has been enhanced by it.

    It`s best not to shrug off somebody who says "We swear by almighty Allah that we will never stop fighting you".
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    @Adcro

    Islam is not a race.....
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    Whenever something like this happens all too often people rush to baptize the worldview of the extremist as the one and only true worldview for the rest of the community. Anyone who believes this needs to do some serious soul searching, particularly in light of that famous photo of the grieving mother slumped against her soldier son`s headstone in Arlington natl. cemetery, a headstone bearing the symbol of their faith, the star and crescent.

    Giving legitimacy to nutcases who would like to promote the notion of "Islam against the West" belies the truth of the matter.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    Muslims are not only good Americans but they`re good Britons too.

    Incidentally, I remember just now that PM Cameron recently visited Boston in the wake of the marathon bombing as a show of solidarity. I thought that was very touching...
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    Its the hard line Muslims
    rather like your westboro sorts
    the general mass are just normal sorts
    But like Andrew 155 says multiculturalism in Blighty isnt happening, the original inhabitants
    IE the British are being pushed out,
    and the atmosphere is not good right now
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    QueenZira, it`s as much of a blanket statement to call them all good as it is to call them all bad. Seriously. Judge them individually, but still acknowledge that culture exists. Not all cultures behave the same and there is zero indication that this is the case. Evidence: Asians are the richest group in America. There is a reason.


    I can`t believe you act as though Islam and the West don`t clash. They have clashed since the 600`s when they began conquering what was formerly the West (Egypt, Palestine). Then Spain for 700 years, then the Crusades happened. Then the Turks marched to Vienna and occupied Southeastern Europe for a few hundred years. Then Imperialism. Now the age of terror. At least acknowledge history.

    Imagine if they never conquered North Africa or Turkey, those places would be so nice now. Cultural relativism is so lame and flimsy.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    Constantly saying `Most Muslims hardly ever cut off anyone`s head` really doesn`t help your case as much as you think it does.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    Andy you sound that like that Richwine fella who was recently booted from the Heritage foundation for his white nationalist views, "Cultural Relativism" what a crackpot shibboleth.

    And yes I`m fully aware of history, and the great flowering of the Cordoba period in Spain where Jews, Christians and Muslims were all living together and allowed to practice the religion of their choice in an empire that kept records of previous Greek and Roman wisdom already burned in medieval Europe, all while they were simultaneously inventing Algebra and making advances in Astronomy. Derp.

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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
    685 posts
    May 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    At least three mosques in Essex and Kent, the "heartlands" of the English Defence League, an extreme right wing political group, have been attacked, and crowds of balaclava wearing EDL members and sympathisers are gathering on the streets of Woolwich, and confronting police. Sh**`s about to get real.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    blackcatseye
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    I had a feeling this was going to occur
    there is a nationalistic backlash slowly growing
    here, and I think shat will be hitting many fans
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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
    685 posts
    May 22, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    Scriptonite Daily on facebook is giving good updates
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    @blackcatseye

    Like I said the PC have their head in the sand.
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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    McGovern, sorry I don`t know what you mean by PC??? Also, just to confirm, the two attackers are not dead, they are under arrest in hospital.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 22, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    Politically Correct.
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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
    685 posts
    May 22, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    You`re not wrong. BBC just had Henry Winkler interview, and charming and lovely as he is, now is not the time. I am guessing the people being "kettled" on the streets of London would prefer it if the BBC stayed on the issue.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 5:14 pm
    @QueenZira: "the great flowering of the Cordoba period in Spain... Astronomy."

    That is true, but they were a traded based economy, it was about power and money more than multiculturalism.
    Many empires allowed different religions other than the state religion, but those who followed those religions were usually deemed of a lower standing and sometimes persecuted depending on the time and empire. If you weren`t muslim in Cordoba you were a Dhimmi and had to pay a tax. Many other civilizations did this as well it was not unique to Cordoba.
    Also the Greeks, Babylonians, Indians, Chinese, and Egyptians all had their own forms of Algebra as well. The Greeks even had a form of calculus that Democritus, Antiphon, and Archimedes developed in separate forms.
    As far as astronomy the babylonians could predict eclipses and would make a convict "king for a day" only to kill him after the eclipse. And much of Arabic astronomy was der
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    (cont)

    ...derived from the greek astronomers Ptolemy and Archimedes. This was because Islamic astronomy only started because the Persians recorded it from greek conquests and then Islam conquered Persia in 644 A.D. through multiple religious wars.

    Yes there were accepting Islamic empires and yes most people who practice Islam are good people, but your gilding the lily here. Many civilizations with multiple religions achieved the same things. Islam has had its own failings in history as well. Radical Islam is one of them, and it is a major problem that the world, not just the west, faces today. We can`t find solutions to the problem unless we admit it is there. It isn`t wrong to see that there is a religious war going on, it`s only wrong to believe that every attack is just a series of misunderstood coincidences.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm
    Funny how there is no trouble showing me the ad but when it comes to the actual content I`m waiting to see, I get an error message. Thanks NBC
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 22, 2013 at 8:33 pm
    @QueenZira: These two guys? Muslims killing in the name of Islam.
    Boston Bombers? Muslims killing in the name of Islam.
    Underwear bomber? Muslim.
    Fort Hood shooter? Muslim.
    Times Square Bomber? Muslim.

    I could go on and on, but I hope you see the trend: it`s NOT a stereotype! It`s a cold, hard fact.

    Apparently at least one of them is originally from Nigeria... he was talking about "our women" back home? Hardly "British Born And Raised" eh?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    In the wast "Allah-uh-ackbar" is taken to mean "I am a terrorist, come shoot me now." The beheading was just confirmation.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33079 posts
    May 22, 2013 at 8:41 pm
    Wait, wait...

    WHO shot those two? I was told MANY times by IAB`s British Liberals that British police DO NOT have guns!

    Must have been some American tourists ;-) LMAO!!

    A Canadian would have dropped his gloves and punched them...
    A Frenchman would have run away...
    An Australian would have said "Oi! Calm down Bucko! Have a beer and lets chat things out" (note: that`s only -before- anyone was hurt. Otherwise see the Canadian response!)
    A Russian would have called the KGB...

    I got plenty more, but the banhammer is getting closer & closer...
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    May 22, 2013 at 10:31 pm
    @5Cats ~ OK, lets just stick with the US in the last decade......

    All are Christians and all killed or committed acts of terrorism in the name of Christianity:
    Clifford Peeples
    Scott Roeder
    Eric Robert Rudolph
    Byron De La Beckwith
    Robert Chambliss
    Thomas Blanton
    Bobby Frank Cherry
    Herman Cash
    Charles Marcus Edwards
    James Ford Seale
    Rev. Paul Jennings Hill
    Sam Bowers
    John Salvi
    James Kopp
    Scott Roeder
    Shelley Shannon
    Michael F. Griffin
    Buford Rogers
    Michael Barkun
    Matt Goldsby
    Jimmy Simmons
    Kathy Simmons
    Kaye Wiggins
    Edgar Ray Killen
    Martin Uphoff
    Patricia Hughes
    Jeremy Dunahoe
    Shaun Murphy
    Paul Ross Evans
    Chad Altman
    Sergio Baca

    I could go on and on, but I hope you see the trend: it`s NOT a stereotype! It`s a cold, hard fact.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 22, 2013 at 11:34 pm
    ferdy fred- more has come out since I went to bed- but, I just find it a bit amusing when a man stands there in a London accent saying that women in his land must witness this sort of violence. even IF his origins are Nigerian, his accent is not- which leads me to assume he is British. Last time I looked public hackings were pretty rare.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    May 23, 2013 at 3:11 am
    @madduck What makes British? If you want to make it on where you`re from and ancestry. I`m British but im the 40% of London White British 60% is not British. They`re not British... If you want to make it on where you identify with which country you belong. He talks about his home country and attacks there. They`re not British.... If you want to say the cultural identity of being accepting of everyone and shared values.... He`s not British.

    That`s avoiding the question anyway. British or not. They have been radicalised, and it`s not wrong to ask the Islamic community to sort their poo out (Asia rape gangs across UK as well come to mind) Same way we tell the Catholics to sort their poo out (child molestations) as well. You don`t want to be judged by the minority you have to prove it`s the minority.

    Multi Culturalism can work if you get integration and not ghettoisation
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2013 at 3:13 am
    @Madduk Things like this happen and get almost no attention or condemnation.Muslim Patrols

    Ignoring it does two things let`s it go unchecked so some don`t think it`s wrong. And it also feed`s other groups who use it as an excuse to attack all those "towel heads" etc

    You`re fighting the wrong battle focusing on the britishness of the attackers.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2013 at 3:20 am
    @5cat`s That was a specialist armed response unit. They get called in when guns are needed. They are quick they made it there in 7 minutes of being called. Which would could be the same response time of normal police.

    We like that the majoirty of our police don`t have guns for several reasons. Two of the main ones are:- they`re less intimidating to the general public and you get less abuse because they`re more community focused they can`t do whatever knowing they can threten to shoot you.
    Gun`s are limited in circulation. You want a gun you can`t still one from a cop. They can`t forget it at the cafe, rob their homes etc. Less firearms overall in circulation.

    This incident is a great example. The attackers had a rusty old revoler which backfired when they tried to shoot. And they then charged the police with knives and were shot.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 23, 2013 at 3:52 am
    Right, a few things. Firstly, I am not for radical anything- far from it. This is despicable, and little twats like those talking about Muslem areas are nasty little pooes. However- radicalisation preys upon diaffectation- feeling you want roots- and if we insist on treating young people with different ethnic roots as alien, unwelcome invaders we will make that worse. The British are very tolerant- but only so far, and some factions are pushing this anti-Islamic idea too far, it is rubbish, most POC and Moslems are nice people who hate this as much as the rest of us. Can we stop the idea that this is some ghastly plot by whoever- and work on forming ties and bonds with people- be inclusive- bring a sense of community. Do not let the like of these people and their oppos the EDL to create and atmosphere of hate- because it will go sour.
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    mikesex Male 60-69
    119 posts
    May 23, 2013 at 4:15 am
    5Cats:

    Wikipedia item "Firearms unit" will give you the lowdown on arms and the UK police forces.

    And be careful with that word `Liberal`; means something different here.
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    SminkyPinky Female 30-39
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    May 23, 2013 at 4:29 am
    Voice of reason Madduck. the amount of racist bollocks I had to wade through on facebook this morning made me sick. however, half an hour of trawling my newsfeed, removing and blocking some people and educating others has made it better.
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    SminkyPinky Female 30-39
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    May 23, 2013 at 4:29 am
    on a side note... IAB`s profanity filter doesn`t block bollocks. I wonder if it blocks wanker?!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2013 at 6:23 am
    UK police shoot aggressive cow. LOL firearms response unit! Along with police given Mp5s in violence prone area and at the royal wedding yep nothing strange here....
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2013 at 7:40 am
    it`s NOT a stereotype! It`s a cold, hard fact.
    It is a stereotype, in point of fact. This one just holds up.

    WHO shot those two? I was told MANY times by IAB`s British Liberals that British police DO NOT have guns!
    Don`t be purposefully stupid. Just because they don`t *carry* guns doesn`t mean they don`t have *access* to guns if necessary. American police have access to assault rifles, but they don`t carry them around all the time. Yeesh.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 23, 2013 at 8:20 am
    @SleepyHallow: Oh I so had hoped no one would be stupid enough to make a fuss over that! *sigh*

    What is the MAJORITY religion in the USA? Christianity.
    So WHAT would the MAJORTY of "X" be? Christians.
    X= killers, doctors, bus drivers, farmers, police & etc.

    SO: For a tiny minority ( > 2% in the USA) to commit a LARGE % of a certain crime? There`s a REASON for it: it`s not a random chance...

    @5cat`s That was a specialist armed response unit.
    @Bakcagain21: Is that really the case? Then it`s impressive! 7 minutes is a very good response time indeed!
    It actually was my understanding that British "Big City" cops had guns now-a-days, and that the ARU was the equivalent of SWAT... but I`m over here in Canada, I`ll defer to your knowledge over my opinion :-)

    Don`t be purposefully stupid.
    @patchy: I was being purposefully sarcastic >^.,^<
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2013 at 10:27 am
    @patchy: I was being purposefully sarcastic
    It`s hard to tell with you. Poe`s law, and all.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2013 at 10:37 am
    I think I heard on the news last night that the suspects were taken into custody rather than killed.

    Anyway, to clarify I never said that extremists claiming Islamic motivations for their actions were a total myth. I`m saying the faith itself is no more prone to violence and crazy than any other faith tradition. If there is a religious war going on though it`s a civil war between Muslims over the heart and soul and future of the faith. Sunni vs Shia, the puritanical Wahabbist school verses well, everyone else. We are witnessing the growing pains of the youngest monotheism in real time, and we can`t aid and abet the worst elements in this conflict by Otherizing an entire religion.


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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2013 at 10:40 am
    Sminky, of course the swear filter won`t stop "bollocks" or "wanker", we Yanks tend to think of British swear words as rather charmingly quaint more often than not. XD
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 23, 2013 at 7:39 pm
    Just to note: The "Police Official" said the cops were there in 10 minutes and the situation resolved in 14 minutes. (4 minutes later) That`s pretty good, but not fantastic.

    The killers only allowed WOMEN to come close to the body, and the crowd obeyed...

    The one they`ve named was born a Christian in Kenya but converted to Islam... idk when.

    So earlier this week: A Briton killed his two sons in Paris (France) with a knife. Now a pair of Islamist Jihadists kill an off-duty soldier in London (England) with knives...

    Yup! Banning guns is the ONLY answer! (/sarc)
    (Just so @patchy can recognize teh sarcasm >^,.^<)
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    May 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    @5Cats I stand corrected it wasn`t 7 but this is the statement Police yesterday defended their response to the killing after eyewitnesses claimed they took up to 20 minutes to arrive at the scene.
    Assistant Commissioner Simon Byrne, said: `One point I would like to address is around some of the speculation as to how long it took the Met to respond yesterday (Wednesday) as this incident started to unfold.
    `We first received a 999 call from the public at 2.20pm stating a man was being attacked, further 999 calls stated that the attackers were in possession of a gun.
    `We had officers at the scene within nine minutes of receiving that first 999 call.
    `Once that information about a gun or guns being present was known firearms officers were assigned at 2.24pm.
    `Firearms officers were there and dealing with the incident 10 minutes after they were assigned, 14 minutes after the first call to the Met.`

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