Jailed, Fired, & Homeless For Taking Pics [Pic+]

Submitted by: gary8162 4 years ago in

Apparently, taking pics of the Courthouse and other landmarks is considered subversive behaviour.
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Male 761
Cheers to that mate
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Male 2,711
"making the assumption that I am one"
I never meant to call you a f*ck up, I said "on this one... you were a f*ck up" meaning you screwed up THIS TIME, not that you personally are a f*ck up. Does that make any sense? Sorry if it came across with more offense than intended. (I`ll admit I did intend some offense, as I was somewhat offended by your disparaging characterizations of him based primarily on baseless and likely inaccurate assumptions.)

"you still missing the point of him doing this at 3am with another persons truck"
Perhaps 3am is the best time to see the buildings lit up with no traffic or pedestrians in the way? No laws against it. Another person`s truck? So what? He had permission to use it, just like the house. What am I missing?

Anyway... I`m sure we can agree that this story was very poorly written, leaving a lot of questions unanswered and subject to interpretation. How about we just leave it at that, eh?
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Male 761
Sorry to say that I quoted the literal definition of homeless, yes that man is the common view of homeless, but there`s others. I was one them.

I had gracious friends that let me stay in their home so I wouldn`t be on the streets. Never the less it was their homes same as it was his bosses home.

Legally you can not be kicked out in a moments notice if you rent a room or apartment. There are tenants rights.

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Male 2,711
Ok, peakingo, I must graciously agree to disagree.

"having no home or permanent place of residence"
Permanency has nothing to do with it. Is there a roof over your head? Can you reasonably expect that same roof tomorrow and the foreseeable future? Then you are not homeless.

"shouldn`t be forced to leave on a moments notice."
And yet that happens to renters and tenants and roommates every day. Doesn`t mean they were homeless.

""Most likely" is not a definite statement or presumption"
But it IS a presumption. It presumes a STRONG PROBABILITY as opposed to the mere possibility.

"I lived in friends house for 5 months"
Then for that 5 months you were NOT homeless. Period. Fyi dude, THIS is homeless:

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Male 168
Better lawyer up buddy. If you`ve got noting to hide you could get a nice settlement out of this.
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Male 761
... thing could have ended better.

I think you should reread some of the responses I initially got from my first comment.

People were making the assumption that he was living there because he was poor. I never wrote that. I was just countering their presumption. All I wrote was that as a mid 30 year old, he shouldn`t be reliant on other people.

Yeah, there`s a difference between me referring to someone in a random article as a [email protected] up, when his decisions lead to him losing his job and home verses someone in disagreement is making the assumption that I am one for disagreeing with me. That is a [email protected] move. Not that you are one, but the act of insulting me is for disagreeing.

Seriously, there`s enough over reactive jerks on this site, let`s be civil in our disagreements.

I think overall you still missing the point of him doing this at 3am with another persons truck. That`s what makes him a F`up and idiot.
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Male 761
Our view on the site is semantical. Yes, they preserve and teach our rights against over zealous police who try to stop public filming and photography. We both agree to that and agree that it`s valid and necessary. Never the less, in situations like this it`s common for people to behave like jerks to cops. Whether it`s unlawful request for ID`s, stop filming, questioning, or detainment.

What I mean by "deal with the consequences" isn`t that he doing anything illegal, but knowing the history of the site and going to photograph govern building at 3am, he`s aware that there might be some suspicion and possible questioning. He`s quoted as stating, "They kept trying to talk to him but he kept asking if he was being detained and they said no, so he kept walking and they kept following, He walked around for more than an hour as the cops kept following, waiting for him to slip up."

If he stopped and explained what he was doing things may have ended be
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Male 761
Homeless: having no home or permanent place of residence. That`s what I`m defining. If it was equally his place of residence then he shouldn`t be forced to leave on a moments notice.

"Most likely" is not a definite statement or presumption. It`s a possibility same as your assumption it`s taken out of his pay.

It does matter how long he lived there. I lived in friends house for 5 months when I was homeless. I worked in their yard and and cleaned the house. I still had a job and was saving for my own apt. Never the less, I was still homeless.

I`m not making assumptions. I was drawing a comparison to my life situations. Not that it the same. I will give that my wording was misleading. I type fast and usually miss words in this case it should`ve read, "which is what he PROBABLY was doing".

(cont)

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Male 2,711
"a site known to instigate, agitate, and aggravate"
Funny, to me the site is known for helping photographers to understand and assert their rights.

"deal with the consequences"
Why should there be consequences? What law(s) did he break? Or do you think there should be consequences for asserting your rights?

"He chose to ignore police when they wanted to question him."
When I read it, MY assumption was that he answered minimally and, when asked questions that might violate his rights, he asked if he was being detained. The proper way to handle it, imho.

"for someone what was poor as everyone is presuming"
No, YOU are assuming that. The phrase "I was living in my boss’s house..." DOESN`T mean homeless and it DOESN`T mean destitute.

"don`t be a d*ck when disagreeing"
Awww, you poor thing! I quoted exactly what you called him and that makes ME a d*ck? lol
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Male 2,711
@peakingo
I appreciate your admission of presumption. :)

"Though he most likely is"
If the rent is part of his pay plan then it is NOT free.

"the police dismantled his truck"
Sorry, I misunderstood your original statement.

"I`m defining homeless as not having a home of your own."
You don`t get to redefine words to suit yourself. (That`s 5Cats` job!) By your definition, all apartment-dwellers, roommates, and live-in caretakers are homeless.

"You don`t know how long he was living there", "could`ve been only for a month or so."
Does that matter? At the time of this incident, he had a home.

"crashed on couches... in exchange for... which is what he was doing"
You just can`t help baseless assumptions, can you? For all you know, he could have left an apartment to take the live-in job. Why do you continue to insist "he was offered a room while he`s homeless.&qu
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Male 761
@chalket, Another thing to consider is the fact that "Photography isn`t a Crime" is a site known to instigate, agitate, and aggravate police and security guards.

I`m not opposed to that practice at all, in fact I encourage it. The difference is to do so and then not be an adult and deal with the consequences. Or to not think how the outcome can effect your personal life.

He choose to go there at 3am with a car that doesn`t belong to him. BIG MISTAKE! I can`t speak for anyone else, but as I wrote earlier to do so is only asking for trouble. I`d be hella pissed if someone took my truck at 3am.

He chose to ignore police when they wanted to question him.

Lastly for someone what was poor as everyone is presuming, he sure had high end electronics: DSLR, laptop, and a smart phone.

Also Chalket, I know this is the internet, but don`t be a d*ck when disagreeing with someone. You`re really out of line insulting me in that manner for ha
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Male 761
@chalket,

In the article it says that he violated his probation when he illegally took his roommates car out of anger. So it violated his probation.

This guy, as some of you are presuming was just an innocent victim of over zealous police. If you read closely it clearly states that he saw them coming and avoided them and walked away from them, while hiding the fact that he had a car. Not suspicious at all. <--sarcastic.

Now, I`m not writing that he shouldn`t defend his right to take pictures of govern`t buildings, no what I`m writing and what my point has been rooted is in his poor decision making by using his bosses truck in a situation where he could potentially get in trouble coupled with a lifestyle, what ever it`s cause, that forces him as a mid 30 year to be reliant on the kindness of others or work as a care-taker.

That`s a sad place to be at that age. I understand poo happens, but as an adult you should plan for it.
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Male 761
@chalket, you`re right. Somethings I presumed too much and he wasn`t on parole but on probation. I`ll address the others down below.

It`s presumptuous of me to assume he`s living for free while care-taking his bosses kid. Though the odds are he most likely is.

In the article it specifically states that the police dismantled his truck while search for bombs. That truck is a goner.

You`re right, it`s presumptuous of me to assume why he left Cali.

I`m defining homeless as not having a home of your own.

You wrote that he had regular dwelling, but that`s presumptuous as well.

You don`t know how long he was living there or how long the arrangement was. It could`ve been only for a month or so. I`ve been homeless before in my 20s and I crashed on couches and in open rooms in exchange for cleaning, painting, cooking, etc... which is what he was doing. It`s not his place, he was offered a room while he`s homeless.

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Male 4,594
That story is seriously outrageous. This is very concerning to me. What have we done to ourselves?
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Male 560
(cont) The Toyota parked outside the station most of the night belongs to him.

I know this isn`t illegal, but there is some really stupid people out there. I understand some people really despise the police, but simply talking and explaining what he was doing would have stopped this situation. Reverse it and have the police just let some guy park walk round photographing at 3am and then leave a Toyota outside the station and it turned out to be a bomb etc. They`d be no end of criticism directed towards the police for not handling it properly.
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Male 560
Whatever this guys charecter or drat up in life. I`m putting a lot of blame his way.

Can`t sleep goes out at 3am (done this myself)
Starts taking pictures of court house etc (Done this myself with UK parliament)

Get`s asked what he`s doing by police this is where we separate, from the article he ask`s if he`s being detained whenever they try and find out what`s going on and then starts to walk around trying to lose the police following him.

What did I do, I said I was having trouble sleeping so went for a walk. Ended up there thought it looked nice at night and would take a few pictures. Then went on my way to a different part of London.

They then have to find out the truck parked infront of the police station was brought there by him. He didn`t volunteer that fact.

So from the police perspective. They have a guy who is taking pictures, tries to lose the police after avoiding explaining what he`s doing, then they find out the Toyota outs
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Male 2,711
(cont.)

Plus, much of what WAS there you seem to have misunderstood:

"he was already homeless"
No. Go re-read the definition of homeless, it`s basically "without a regular dwelling". He had a regular dwelling, it just happened to belong to his boss.

"it says a lot that he doesn`t have a modest apartment"
Not if lodging is already included in your pay plan!

"if you`re on parole you f*ucked up in life"
That may be true, except HE WASN`T ON PAROLE, he was on probation, a world of difference. Tons of good, honest people wind up on probation for some stupid thing or another (like storming off in a friend`s car after a fight, maybe?)

"he violated it by stealing his friends car"
No, I`m pretty sure that was the charge that put him on probation. They didn`t say what the violation was.

It seems that on this one, peakingo, you were just "a f*ck up all around."
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Male 2,711
Damn peakingo, you sure read an awful lot that wasn`t there!

"he was living for free in his Bosses house"
Where does it say that? Why would you assume it was free? Lodging appears to have been included in his compensation, but you can`t honestly say it was free.

"writer says his boss let him live in his house..."
No, he says "I was living in my boss’s house..."

"insinuating that care-taking his kid wasn`t his actual job"
Not at all. In fact, the sentence right before it ends with "...he was kicked out of the Phoenix home THAT WAS PART OF HIS EMPLOYMENT." (emphasis added)

"after losing his truck by his poor decision"
WTF? Where does it say anything about him losing a truck?

"he skipped town to avoid the warrant"
You don`t know when or why he left California, or if it had anything to do with the warrant.

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Male 1,983
Taking pictures is NOT a crime.
Refusing to speak to police is NOT a crime.
Walking around is NOT a crime, regardless of what time it is.

Depriving someone of their Constitutionally guaranteed Rights IS a crime!

F[U]CK THE POLICE!
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Male 761
I get that point, but in fairness. The followed for a while, which shows patience.

Also I see this as a damned if you damned if you don`t situation. Imagine if they turned a blind eye and something happened.
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Male 38,457

`MURICA!
WOO! WOO! WOO!

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Male 945
Ok, to address tedgp; I did read the article all the way and I`m certainly not trying to say this guy was totally blameless, but IAB gives you only so much room to type a headline and only a little more for a description. I did the best I could.
That said, from what I read both he AND the cops could`ve handled it better. All he had to do was just be courteous and polite to the police and that would`ve allayed any suspicions. But the cops definitely could`ve handled it better. While I`m not trying to defend this man`s actions, I insist on the police being held to a higher standard and to treat us with all the respect due us.
Oddly, I`m usually one of the first people who come to the defence of the police but what they did here, in however small a measure, was an abuse of power.
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Male 3,436
lets take a look at this from a cops perspective. it is still not too long after the boston marathon bombings, so tensions are understandably high when anyone even mentions the possibility of terrorist activity. there is nothing illegal about a guy walking around talking pictures at 3 in the morning, but it is suspicious. i dont know for sure, but i think cops cannot (or at least not supposed to) arrest and question some one based purely on suspicion. he was charged with that alleyway thoroughfare nonsense (which wont stick) only so he could be arrested and questioned/interrogated. all the cops wanted to do was find out whether or not if this guy taking pictures of court houses at 3 am was some other extremist making plans for another bombing. moral of the story is, if you dont want to be a suspect, dont act suspicious.
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Male 761
Sorry for the spamming, but this is end of my rants.

As its been written by me, there are a lot of information conveniently missing, but what we do know is he was living for free, if he wasn`t paid that dumb, or he still had another job on top of care-giving. He has a messed up past. Not judging, but if you`re on parole you f*ucked up in life and he was and he violated it by stealing his friends car.

It`s his fault he`s struggling, it`s his fault he skipped town to avoid the warrant, it`s his fault for doing this stupid act at 3am, it`s his fault that he didn`t stop and try to explain himself to the cops, it`s his fault for lying that he came in a car causing them to fear it may have a bomb. It`s his fault for doing these thoughtless acts while in possession of a car that didn`t belong to him.

Personally if I had a care-taker for my kid and I gave him the okay to use my car, I`d be hella pissed if he was using it at 3am. What good can come out that? <
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Male 761
@Listypoos again, HE HAD A JOB. In fact the title of the post say, "HE LOST HIS JOB."

@Listypoos and as far as what I see as a "real job". I simply define it as a job that allows you to be independent, which he wasn`t. Also I didn`t say he deserves it. I said it`s ALL HIS FAULT. Harsh reality is life is both up and down and you have to plan for all it. It`s sad at his age he isn`t, which is just a fact.

It freaking sad that at 33 he isn`t independent. Regardless of the reason, it`s sad and harsh, but it`s his responsibility.

@tedgp, I`ve never mentioned the importance of position in a job. Hell I`ve worked as a janitor and buss boy for years. He could very well work as a cashier at McD`s and I wouldn`t judge him on that job.

The point is this article is taking all accountability away from him and placing it on the police when in fact it falls all on him.

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Male 761
I agree, the article was so poorly written it leaves many unanswered questions.

To clarify more, the writer says his boss let him live in his house... insinuating that care-taking his kid wasn`t his actual job, rather an arrangement. Otherwise it should of read as, "he was lost his job as an in house care-taker".

In the article it seems that his boss was helping him out and after losing his truck by his poor decision making skills he lost that arrangement.

If you are taking my point that being a care-taker isn`t a real job, you`re wrong. And that`s not what their circumstance was.

His boss traveled around a lot and needed someone to watch his kid. I get the impression he realized he was down on his luck and found a win win situation. A free place to live as he bounces back and a free in home care-taker for his son.


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Male 3,436
how does a 33 year old man land a job taking care of a 6 year old? is he like the nanny or something? i would like to know more about his former occupation. ive gotten bored at 3 am in the morning too, but i dont go out and start taking pictures of things (i usually just rant on iab, or im working). either way you look at it this dude was suspicious (especially after the bombings in... drawing a blank). and remember the worst thats happened to him is that hes just lost his job, his job just so happened to be the place he lived (as a nanny). as far as i know he hasnt been charged with anything... yet. and yes it does suck that the cops have his iphone and computer and what not, but that poo happens when you get involved with the police, if he didnt do anything wrong, then the police should return the items eventually. if you ask me, about time he got another job anyways, one that doesnt sound sketchy.
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Male 3,285
“I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed.”
― Booker T. Washington

Some people would do well to understand that.
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Male 3,147
peakingo, it sounds a lot like you think because someone doesn`t have a job, many possessions or even the same possessions as you value then they are somehow deserving of anything poo happening to them.
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Male 3,147
"Fired? Homeless? Yes, but what exactly was his job? The writer said he lived in his Bosses house taking care of his kid... okay, so what the hell was his actual job? "

The job of live-in childminder springs to mind...it`s not like it`s a totally unheard of profession.

still... looks like you know you don`t know everything about the story, but you know enough to know the guy is a loser and deserved it.

btw...what exactly is a `real` job if it`s not one where you do some sort of work for some sort of recompense?
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Male 761
Let me clarify, it says a lot that he doesn`t have a modest apartment of his own or a share with roommates. Hell, at my poorest I lived in a studio with two other people paying 350.00 a month in NYC. I`m certain a responsible 33 year old man could find something even cheaper in Phoenix.

Let me also clarify that his boss let him live in his home taking care of his kid. To clarify even more. In this down economy he actually had a job considering he had a boss, which means he`s getting a pay check. On top of that he was living for free in his Bosses house taking care of his kid.

Even after living rent free, he had to move into the apartment of his friend who`s car he stole while on probation. (nice friend)

It seems this guy`s a f*ck up all around and this is just another chapter in his poor decision making life.

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Male 373
`At 33, it says a lot that he doesn`t have his own house and car and that he doesn`t have a real job.`

Yeah, it says the economy has tanked.
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Female 3,001
I want a non bias full story please
but from what I`ve read, it does seem a little bit unfair...
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Female 515
interesting that this is nowhere in the media...
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Male 761
Yeah, this is biggest piece of crap I`ve read in context, propaganda, and in structure. Carlos Miller shouldn`t be writing for a living until he learns how to.

Fired? Homeless? Yes, but what exactly was his job? The writer said he lived in his Bosses house taking care of his kid... okay, so what the hell was his actual job?

Also, he was already homeless, he was just living in his bosses house. Not his. Once again I have no idea what his actual job was... thanks Carlos.

His warrant was for a parole violation. What the hell was he on probation for? Again Carlos, just a heads up, it`s important to know.

Overall, this guy is an idiot. Why the hell would you take photos of Federal buildings at 3am? Why engage agents in conversation? Why try and walk away from cops who are asking you questions? Why hide the fact that you drove there.

At 33, it says a lot that he doesn`t have his own house and car and that he doesn`t have a real job.
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Female 42
equal opportunity non-nice individuals, who knew?
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Male 3,285
Helps if you read the article gary8162. He`s not as innocent as you say, and from the quotes from him, he isnt telling the full story.
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Male 945
Link: Jailed, Fired, & Homeless For Taking Pics [Pic+] [Rate Link] - Apparently, taking pics of the Courthouse and other landmarks is considered subversive behaviour.
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