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  1. Profile photo of SweepOfDeath
    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    Link: If Atheists Left America - What would be left behind?
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    MelCervini Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    *I* dont want them to leave, just leave me alone about MY religious beliefs. *shrug*
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    And the South would rise again!
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Saying one is religious is COMPLETELY different than BEING religious.
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    WizardofCOR Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    [email protected]
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    What do we need with scientists anyway?
    We don`t let them do genetic research and we`re not gonna teach anti-bible science in our schools.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    yeah, because a tweet is a reliable source of information.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    "yeah, because a tweet is a reliable source of information."

    Luckily we have google to confirm his statement.
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    Gauddith Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    Oooo, does this mean we can go found that place from Atlas Shrugged? And be all cool, and world saving, while abandoning the ignorant and petty to solve their own issues the best they know how? *rolls eyes*

    In all seriousness though, we don`t want to leave, we want to hang out and be reasonable folk with the other reasonable religious people. I`d much rather teaming up with a sane Christian or Muslim then I would a crazy atheist.

    Crazy people be crazy, yo.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    He should have ended it with `just sayin``.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    Gauddith said, "I`d much rather teaming up with a sane Christian or Muslim then I would a crazy atheist."

    I couldn`t agree more...this guy just continually and shamelessly succeeds at sounding like pretentious arse.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Canoas: but the fact is since it hasn`t happened, no one will ever know. But there are a lot of people with faith who have made huge scientific contributions: Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, and more...


    But, mr greavis is just beating his chest, you know, puffing up with pride and glorifying his position. Nothing good ever comes from it, especially when you`re dividing people. Everyone has strengths, and the wise know that when we all work together as one, the human race, thats when we work best.
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    Huey Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    It`s a great "inspiration" for atheists however, I really doubt it`s entirely accurate.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    "but the fact is since it hasn`t happened, no one will ever know. But there are a lot of people with faith who have made huge scientific contributions: Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, and more... "

    No one will ever know what? We do know 93% of the USA National academy of science and only 1% of prisoners are atheists. That`s not up for debate, it`s a fact.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    "We do know 93% of the USA National academy of science ... are atheists. That`s not up for debate, it`s a fact."

    Or it could be that in the case of the NAS admiring your religious beliefs leads to discrimination. You even see the same hostility here in the small population that is IAB.

    For example:
    Atheist discrimination? Astronomer says he was denied a job because of religion
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    admiring = admitting, didn`t pay attention to spell check.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    Couldn`t this be considered racist? I mean, let`s be honest, what race are most atheists???


    Also, fun fact, a Belgian priest came up with the Big Bang Theory.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Mr Peabody

    "Atheist discrimination? Astronomer says he was denied a job because of religion"

    If I am hiring someone for a SCIENCE position and I find out they believe in regurgitated, stone age fairy-tales and imaginary friends because of a book of loosely translated folklore I would consider that a legitimate dis-qualifier, not discrimination.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    Andrew155

    "Couldn`t this be considered racist? I mean, let`s be honest, what race are most atheists???"

    Don`t see how. Most people in prison are white. Plus I guarantee there are PLENTY of Indians and Asians in the NAS (yes I know Indians ARE technically asians).
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    Canoas: sure they`re debatable.. two examples of thought.

    `hmm, i`m applying for the top research position at the university. I know the dean isn`t too keen on faith, so i better just pretend i dont know anything about it and i`ll mark this application with the check box for non-belief` *check*

    `Hmm i dont like being here in jail, what can i do to get out of here, i`m going crazy?! I got it! From here on until i get out i`m going to work on being faithful. That way it may give me a good report, and hopefully i can get out of here sooner, and then go back to my old ways` *CLANG*CLANG*CLANG "PRISONER! DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD?" "um.. Yes!"
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    @MrPeabody: anecdotal evidence from 2007 is anecdotal.

    However, I would say that Ricky Gervais` numbers are off. Likely severely off. And that`s okay. He`s a comedian. Scientists require reproducible data. And peer reviewed studies. And religion doesn`t inherently interfere with that. There are idiot religious scientists who might try to fudge things due to their religion, but there are also idiot atheist scientists who might do the same. We`re all human.

    A poll could potentially settle it, but what`s the point. Do good scientific work that is rigorous and valid and science is served well, regardless of religion, or lack thereof.

    As for prisoners, I won`t deny them their faith. What else are they allowed to have?
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    "sure they`re debatable.. two examples of thought."
    So made up examples? Ok, the last may happen due to all the atheism are evil thing, but lying about your religion to get into an university is retarded. That probably can`t even be asked in an interview since it would be considered discrimination, like asking if a women is planning on having children or if a dude is gay. Not to mention that you don`t get research positions based on your religion, that never happens. If you have a problem at one university you just go to the next one. As long as you did anything decent for your Phd you`ll get a job.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    @Smagboy
    His numbers are off?


    Nature is one of the most respectable scientific magazines around the world. If you don`t trust the word of a comedian then I think this will do.
    You can search for the article on nature`s website if you don`t trust that one, but like any decent magazine it requires a subscription.
  24. Profile photo of MrPeabody
    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    I would consider that a legitimate dis-qualifier

    Then you have to ignore all the scientific contributions of religious people. It is discrimination because you say they cannot contribute based on their world view, yet it has been demonstrated time and again that religious people make significant contributions to science.

    For example:
    Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950) is an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP). He currently serves as Director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland.

    Prior to being appointed Director, he was the founder and president of the BioLogos Foundation, an organization which promotes discourse on the relationship between science and religion and advocates the perspective that belief in Christianity can be reconciled with acceptance of evolution and science.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm
    MrPeabody

    "Then you have to ignore all the scientific contributions of religious people."

    Hey, I`m sure there have been some great scientific discoveries by Christians.

    However, science is the search for evidence, while faith is the ability to ignore evidence. If you are able to believe something whole-heartedly with no evidence whatsoever in your personal life than I am less than confident in your ability to devote yourself to the search for evidence in your professional life.

    Look at it this way, you may be a world class veterenarian, but if you are running dog-fights on the weekends I`m probably not going to hire you for my clinic.

    Put it the other way, do you think a church would hire me, as an atheist, to be their accountant? Probably not.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    I`ll see all atheist contributions and raise you Newton.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    *cough*

    BULLSHIITE!

    Pull some more "facts" out of your ARSE! You like it huh? You like it like THAT!

    FUNNY!
    How @JollyGod and @Canoas are ALL IN FAVOUR of discrimination... if it`s against religion...

    Hey! Ban the Muslims boys!
    No? Y`all are chickenshiites!!!

    And I mean that sincerely. Inclusively. Both literally and abstractly...
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 10:08 pm
    @HG
    Hey, I`m sure there have been some great scientific discoveries by Christians.

    Then by your own admission you are a discriminating hypocrite. You say However, science is the search for evidence, and knowing full well that that there is plenty of evidence that Christians (as well as other religious people) have made significant contributions to science, but you still say If I am hiring someone for a SCIENCE position and I find out they believe in regurgitated, stone age fairy-tales and imaginary friends because of a book of loosely translated folklore I would consider that a legitimate dis-qualifier.
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 11:11 pm
    So when the Exodus of Atheist occurs anyone need a ride to Canada? I`ll start at the Mexican border and drive up the 5. Just stand on the freeway with a cardboard sign that says, "Science Needed."
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    FinePoint Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:03 am
    prison is a weird place....most of the inmates end up finding god while they`re in. so, that whole 1% doesn`t really work, does it?
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    The_Gent Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:54 am
    anyone actually check those numbers?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 1:54 am
    Your having a argument about Ricky Gervais`s
    comments??
    come on now, the guy is British and even his humour fecks me off
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    May 7, 2013 at 2:08 am
    FinePoint: No, it works out perfectly. Read it again. If all those losers in jail get religion, and the atheists leave, you wouldn`t get many from the prisons, would you?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 4:56 am
    Hmmm lets see, you get to go listen to sermons on Sundays and other holidays OR you can sit in your cell.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 5:34 am
    @FinePoint, that IS Ricky Gervais` point, that if the ATHEISTS leave the country (he thinks) that less that 1% of the prison population would be affected... so it would work... IF this was true :)
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 5:39 am
    Oops, just saw Carmiums response... nuts, didn`t mean to repeat.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 6:38 am
    I currently share an office with another scientist who identifies as christian, he`s still a good scientist, I just don`t know how he reconciles that belief system with what we know from science. The numbers are likely somewhat off, but they`re probably more accurate than you think. I`m not sure what it`s like in the US, because up here your religion is your own business and no one pushes it on you, so I`m fairly certain there`s no religious discrimination here. We don`t have prayer meetings or anything like that...unless you go to church, which is where they belong anyway.
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    Nihilism Male 50-59
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    May 7, 2013 at 6:51 am
    @Magentab0b "So when the Exodus of Atheist occurs anyone need a ride to Canada? I`ll start at the Mexican border and drive up the 5. Just stand on the freeway with a cardboard sign that says, "Science Needed.""

    Unfortunately our current right wing government is anti-science amongst other things. Luckily religion, so far at least, hasn`t invaded our daily lives as much as it seems to below the border.
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 7:15 am
    What would be left behind? 7% of scientists that are interested in making large leaps in science instead of siphoning off tax payer dollars, which we could then use to fund the prisons... Or, more education. Ricky Gervais - loud mouth extraordinaire.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 7:37 am
    What would be left behind? 7% of scientists that are interested in making large leaps in science instead of siphoning off tax payer dollars
    Thanks, I needed a good laugh. You...were kidding right? If only all these useless scientists would get out of the way so that that faithful could make the great discoveries, huh? You have no idea how science works, which is probably a good thing, so long as you are never in charge of science policy, because by your method it would take even longer for anything to get done.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 9:05 am
    MrPeabody

    "Then by your own admission you are a discriminating hypocrite."

    Nope, it is simply an odds game. Let`s say 1 in 20 Christians is capable of rational scientific thought. Then let`s say 10 of 20 atheists are. I`m going atheist every time because my odds are better, even though that 1 in 20 Christian could be a great scientist.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 9:07 am
    Paperduck

    "I`ll see all atheist contributions and raise you Newton."

    Ahh yes the early 1700s, a time when it was illegal to not be a Christian. Staggering how that works eh?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 9:55 am
    HG: Newton was extremely devout, there is zero evidence he was religious out of fear or to appease authority. Yet, I can`t think of a anyone who has contributed more to math and science than him.

    In order to prove you wrong on your litmus test for `good scientist`, I would only need to show one example in the contrary. In this case, you wouldn`t have slightly misjudged or a tad off, you would have dismissed perhaps the greatest mathematical and scientific mind in history. That`s how wrong you`d be.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 9:57 am
    I`ll see your Newton and raise you an Einstein.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    May 7, 2013 at 9:58 am
    Interesting that the most intolerant comments here are from the atheists. Just a thought that you might want to find out how most Christians view their faith before you keep spouting off about it; you`all claim to be the smart ones but your views of following Christ are way way way off.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 10:10 am
    Speaking of prisons, about 20% of the prison population is Muslim and about 25% consist of illegal aliens.

    So I`m not sure what Ricky`s point is on the prison population. Maybe that atheists tend to be rich, white, privileged snobs who tend to have the means to defend themselves in court? Is he saying that he`s proud of the racism inherent in the US criminal justice system? Just being devil`s advocate... er... the anti-science`s advocate? Whatever.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 10:23 am
    AvatarJohn: Without Newton, there is no Einstein. Even Einstein attributed his own achievements allegorically to standing on Newton`s shoulder. In But even so, both were brilliant. I`m not so crass as to say an atheist cannot be good at something.

    As for prisons, as it has been mentioned earlier, you`d have to look at their religiousness BEFORE they went to prison. You know, when they committed the crime. Once they are in prison the ballgame changes... There is grouping phenomenon, for social reasons and for protection. Being a loner in prison is not a good idea. And since established religions are afforded privileges, it makes sense for people to flock toward them. This also tends to look good at parole hearings. It`s amazingly stupid to imply only religious people go to prison.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Paperduck

    "Newton was extremely devout, there is zero evidence he was religious out of fear or to appease authority."

    I`m not saying he was faking it. However when your parents, everyone you have ever met, and basically everyone period has one belief system it pretty much negates atheism as an option.

    Not to mention Newton was dealing with VERY basic laws of physics that don`t in any way contradict a belief in God or the Bible. Now take that same devout scientist and put him studying evolution or the big bang or fossils and maybe he isn`t capable of figuring out the truth because it contradicts his infantile belief system.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 10:45 am
    AvatarJohn

    "I`ll see your Newton and raise you an Einstein."

    You know Einstein was an atheist right? Is that what you meant?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 10:48 am
    papajohn

    "Interesting that the most intolerant comments here are from the atheists."

    Yes. I am intolerant of stupidity. Apologies. Don`t take it personally, it isn`t directed specifically at christians. If you believed in the easter bunny I would think you were just as dumb. Christianity just gets the brunt of it because it is the only mass delusion that is not only accepted, but encouraged.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 12:16 pm

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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
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    May 7, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    Nihilism, Booo. Oh well, guess I`ll just go to Mexico. That`ll save me a ton of gas money.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    But science is based on asking the question "why?" over and over again and the moment you say "Because God chose to make it this way" then you are completely worthless for the scientific community. There are still many religious people who contribute because they don`t accept "God did it" as an answer. But that also means that they believe that the vast majority of the bible is fake. Sure, they believe in God, but they don`t believe in creationism or noah`s ark or any of that stuff.

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