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  1. Profile photo of SweepOfDeath
    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    Link: Female Supremacy - 15 examples of insidious Female Supremacy.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    When you`ve gotten an advantage for thousands of years, and now you`re looking for equality, you need an imbalance towards the disadvantaged that will definitely be detrimental for the other. If you were to simply "equalize", men would still come up on top every time. It`s not supremacy, it`s simply less growth for men in order to achieve equality.

    Hopefully, once equality is indeed achieved, "female supremacy" rights will be shut off, although history shows somebody will inconspicuously forget to. I personally don`t think we`re there yet, but hopefully soon.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    Sorry, what is "PyCon"?

    A Conference for Python Programming? I guess?
    Oh, he explains it eventually...

    #4 Yup! Just have ONE tournament for BOTH genders! The "Top 100" players? 90 men and 10 women... oh, that`s sexism! At least make the "girls" play best of 5! C`mon!

    Anyhow, this is "spot on" and 100% Politically Incorrect! Should drive the IAB Liberal Brigade into a FRENZY!!! Eleventy!!!

    #14 Absolutely true.
    #15 It`s "OK" for women to rape children! So says Feminism!

    The "Battle Of The Sexes" is long over: Men lost.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    What did Barbra Walters call it when a woman teacher who`d repeatedly raped an underage boy?

    A beautiful love!

    Barb was not punished for this, only "right wing kooks" even questioned it...

    (She got out of jail, raped him AGAIN (still underage) and got preggers, remember her? She had a husband and 4 kids... beautiful!)
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    Jendrian says, "To solve inequality, we need inequality".


    But also, the narrative of men ruling societies for centuries is deeply flawed. Yes, it was a few men that dominated society. What about the other 99%? They were dying by the millions in World Wars, largely against their will. They were expected to live 10 years shorter than women. And also, what gender are almost all workplace deaths? What about the homeless?

    Sure, if you`re the 1% of the men who did dominate society, it was fracking awesome the past couple thousand years. But for the rest, everything sucked.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Yup
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    @Andrew155: "to solve inequality, we need inequality", yes, that`s exactly what I`m saying. If somebody`s given you a bicycle to run a race by virtue of having balls, you`re not going to give the person left behind a bike too, she`ll still be far behind no matter how hard she pedals. Either they take your bike away, or they give her a car, or the two. That is, until equality is actually achieved. Somebody needs to keep an eye on that "off" button.

    And to say that "men had it bad" doesn`t even begin to touch on how much worse women have had it at the same time. Surely being a male peasant was terrible, but being a female peasant was 10 times worse.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    just look at extremely muslim countries, it looks like it`s pretty awesome to be a man there regardless of your social status. Counting the few perks being a woman has doesn`t offset how much more it sucks to be a woman there. Now, I agree that`s an exaggeration, but the female advantages in your society are not as great as the disadvantages in their places either.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    "to solve inequality, we need inequality", yes, that`s exactly what I`m saying. If somebody`s given you a bicycle to run a race by virtue of having balls, you`re not going to give the person left behind a bike too, she`ll still be far behind no matter how hard she pedals.

    Either you believe that or you`re lying to fake an excuse for the sexism you prefer. I`ve no idea which, but there`s no rational argument to pure bigotry so I`ll act on the assumption that it`s the former.

    Your analogy is wholly wrong because of something you probably won`t be able to understand:

    Humanity does not consist of only two immortal entities.

    You`re seriously arguing that humanity is only two entities and they`re at least thousands of years old, and you`re doing so because you`re so utterly sexist that you can only see it that way.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    There`s a choice: sexual equality or sexism.

    If your goal is sexual equality, then the end is also the means. Promote the idea that people should not be grouped by their sex (as if sex wholly defined a person and their circumstances - it`s an insane idea!), not be judged by whatever sexist stereotypes are favoured at the time, not punished for being the "wrong" sex and not be blamed for everything (or, indeed, anything) wrong in the world solely for having the "wrong" genitals.

    That won`t cause sexual equality overnight, but it will cause sexual equality pretty quickly if it`s done seriously.

    If your goal is sexism forever, then promote the opposite. Sexism is the most effective way to promote unending sexism, because a sizeable proportion of people will respond to sexism with sexism.

    You`re currently promoting unending sexism. That`s your choice.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    The "Battle Of The Sexes" is long over: Men lost.

    Men never fought it. There weren`t enough men who wanted such a foul thing. It was a purely feminist thing - only feminism had enough people willing to stoop so low. Although next time round it`ll probably be the other way - pendulums swing when people are pushing them harder rather than trying to bring them to rest.

    There will be more of the same forever unless society heads towards sexual equality rather than feminism or masculism. Which it might do - most people are at least fairly rational to some extent and maybe some day there won`t be enough people promoting sexism and dragging society with them. Maybe.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 5:56 pm
    Surely being a male peasant was terrible, but being a female peasant was 10 times worse.

    In what country? During which period of time? Why?

    If you`re talking about medieval England (as Engllish-speaking people usually are when they talk about peasants in the past), then you`re very wrong indeed. But that`s no surprise, because your position is based on sexism and dogma rather than on reasoning and evidence. You probably hadn`t even considered even briefly glancing at any evidence of anything from anywhere - no need when you have dogma.

    Medieval peasants couldn`t afford much sexism, on the whole, because sexism is very wasteful and they couldn`t afford much waste.

    People, even those who aren`t pushing the same agenda you are, tend to have a rather inaccurate view of the middle ages in many ways.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    In the battle of the sexes there can be no winners. However, women lost more than they gained.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 6:25 pm
    An example:

    There was a documentary a while back that was deliberately made starting from the assumption that female peasants in medieval England were much worse off in every way than male peasants. So it ignored serfdom, conscription and every other aspect of reality that inconveniently contradicted that dogma.

    The maker of the program picked an ordinary village and an ordinary peasant. The village just because he knew people and had easy access to the original records and the peasant because she was ordinary - ordinary was the point. Christina Cok, born ~1285, died 1348, recorded in various documents like most people were back then (usually for taxation, unsurprisingly).

    Despite the heavy-handed message they so wanted to deliver, the program maker was unable to ignore the fact that Christina took a nobleman to court over the rights to a property and won her case.

    Reality was never as clear-cut as modern dogma would have it.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    Damn, you bitches really need to learn your place. Now go and bake me some brownies and an apple pie.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 6:49 pm
    In the battle of the sexes there can be no winners. However, women lost more than they gained.

    My mother says the same thing. She`s in a good position to speak from experience, since she`s in her 70s, but I`m far from convinced.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Angilion, well if the feminist movement was supposed to gain women respect it`s an utter failure. Growing up you didn`t speak ill of ladies, now the two most common ways to refer to women is Bitches & Ho`s. That`s an indicator their value in society has decreased. Women went from the option of working to YOU MUST have a job. Not giving up any of their old responsibilities of children and husband {if she has one}. She just got more work with less help as at least 50% will be single moms.

    What did men lose in the war of the sexes? Women. A real woman who can behave like a woman when she`s with a man, and not his competitor. No loss to me but some blokes like them I hear.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm
    @Angilion: your arguments refuting my analogy and explanations are so stupid I won`t even bother answering them. I will however refer you to some education:

    Here`s a website, the very first one you can find when looking for "peasant women in England", made in the UK by a history professor from your country, talking about your country. Somehow I believe more a history professor than you when it comes to history.

    Take a quick look around, there`s plenty of sources that will clarify you how much it`s sucked to be a woman for ages just close to everywhere. To deny that is to be willingly blind to it.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 7:42 pm
    jeandrian, nobody`s going to argue that women haven`t gotten in in the shorts at times.


    But the answer isn`t women > men always.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    @DromEd: That`s not what I`m saying; what I`m saying is that to offset the advantages of a male dominated society, if one really wishes for women`s equality, you need to give them some temporary advantages, and keep an eye that those don`t drag on forever.

    My analogy was that of a race, in which a guy is given a bike, while a woman is left just running. In order to equalize their positions, you can`t just give a bike to the woman, that will only make her faster but still keep her behind, what you need to do is put the man in a temporary disadvantage until their positions are equal, and then, but only then, can you keep them running at equal pace.

    So it`s not forever that you`d be at a disadvantage, it`s just while we fix that horrible mistake that patriarchal societies inherited to the their respective people.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2013 at 7:58 pm
    Feminists are like spoiled children. They demand and demand and when they get what they demand they don`t say thank you. They never say thank you. They only demand more and more.
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    Oh brother. Another tempest in a teapot.

    How do the wing-douches get so much of their fringe crap posted on this site?
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 9:07 pm
    meh, I`ve been single my entire adult life. The only thing I specifically NEED a "man" for is for anything I don`t have enough muscle to do (lift stuff, etc.) and for gross or dangerous stuff I could but don`t want to do. Other than that, men are totally optional for my life, and I mean that in a good way. I feel bad for any woman who relies too much on any man and lets that reliance limit her possibilities.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 9:12 pm
    ExtraCredit, have you ever stopped to consider that you might be the fringe wingnut?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 5, 2013 at 9:40 pm
    Doucheland uber alles!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 9:52 pm
    your arguments refuting my analogy and explanations are so stupid I won`t even bother answering them.

    Your analogy is based on the assumption that humanity is made up of only two entities, each of which is at least thousands of years old...and you think my counter is stupid?

    I think you`re really sexist enough to think so, which is an achievement of sorts. Not only are you unable to tell the difference between different individuals of the same sex, you`re unable to tell the difference between people alive and people long dead. Your sexism is insane.

    And yes, that is what you are saying. When you say that all women thousands of years ago were disadvantaged in all ways compared to all men and that means that all men today should be disadvantaged compare with all women today, you are pretending that humanity is just two immortal entities named "men" and "women".
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    Somehow I believe more a history professor than you when it comes to history.

    And I put more weight on the extant original documents than I do on whatever sexism is popular in any particular time or place.

    But don`t let reality get in the way of your insane sexism.

    Hopefully one day the only place anyone will encounter people like you is in a history book. I have a happy dream of a society in which the only place people find sexism is in a history class, in which children laugh at the folly of idiots safely in their past, like people who are so sexist they can`t understand what an individual is or the difference between people living and people long dead (i.e. people like you).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:09 pm
    I`ve done something you`re not familiar with and therefore won`t have expected me to do - fact checking.

    The website you linked to is not written by a history professor. You just made that up as a false appeal to authority, didn`t you? The author isn`t even a historian.

    The website contains provable factual errors.

    For example:

    could not own property of any kind unless they were widows.

    That is false. There are many miles of extant medieval records in England (the national archives alone has more than 100 miles of shelves, and most medieval records are elsewhere) and ownership was carefully noted because taxes were based on it.

    The random example I referred to earlier provides an example of that - Christina Cok owned a house and a shop *before* getting married for the first time.

    The Magna Carta (1215) simply took a woman`s right to own property as being as obvious as a man`s - neither is include
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:14 pm
    Your analogy is based on the assumption that humanity is made up of only two entities, each of which is at least thousands of years old...and you think my counter is stupid?

    Yes. I think anybody reading your rebuttal would think the whole text is full of stupid as well.

    Look, I`m not going to argue with you, I literally hate arguing with you. You`re not going to drag me into another useless discussion where after a week we find out my initial argument was right, but you will just excuse yourself saying: "oh, I meant something else", as you`ve done at least twice now with me. I`ll just leave it at this: women have been undeniably mistreated for a long time, which is a well documented, not-open-to-interpretation evil. Try as you may to deny it, all sources will contradict you. Go on, I dare you to find a reputable source that denies it. Find one, or shut up.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    @Angilion: About the Author

    [..."> Chris Trueman BA (Hons), MA set up www.historylearningsite.co.uk in 2000 [...">

    [...">As well as History, Chris teaches British and American Politics at advanced level and both subjects are covered in depth on his site[...">

    Really? That`s how you fact-check? You just lose credibility as you go along.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    We know that in 1215 it was considered so obvious that it didn`t need mentioning because the Magna Carta includes a section intended to safeguard the property rights of women because the law could be (and presumably at least some times was) being abused to partially steal property from women. But it wasn`t considered necessary in 1215 to state that women could own property because everyone knew that and it wasn`t an issue.

    You really have no idea, do you? You have your silly sexist dogma, you make things up from it and you really think that`s reality.

    THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS STILL EXIST. You haven`t destroyed them. People can still read them. You just have to hope that you can brainwash people into never thinking or checking anything. Which, sadly, feminism has been very successful at doing.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:22 pm
    Yes. I think anybody reading your rebuttal would think the whole text is full of stupid as well.

    Which was my point - your argument is full of stupid. I`d go as far as to say that it is actually insane. That amount of sexism is mental illness. All I did was state the assumptions that are inherent in your argument - that all women who have ever lived are all the same person and that all men who are ever lived are all the same person.

    You`re not going to drag me into another useless discussion where after a week we find out my initial argument was right, but you will just excuse yourself saying: "oh, I meant something else", as you`ve done at least twice now with me.

    This is, of course, untrue. You make things up to fit your own prejudices, so it`s hardly surprising when you make some more stuff up. You may even believe it happened.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:25 pm
    Sure, whatever buddy
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:26 pm
    I`ll just leave it at this: women have been undeniably mistreated for a long time, which is a well documented, not-open-to-interpretation evil. Try as you may to deny it, all sources will contradict you. Go on, I dare you to find a reputable source that denies it. Find one, or shut up.

    I haven`t denied it.

    I`ve been advocating sexual equality. You either have no idea what sexual equality is or you`re pretending not to as part of your devotion to destroying it by corrupting it. So you either have no understanding of my position or you have to pretend not to. Either way, your opinion of it is meaningless.

    I dare you to find a source that proves that humanity consists of only two people, each of whom is at least thousands of years old. Find one or shut up.

    You are a dishonest sexist bigot and you disgust me.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm
    Really? That`s how you fact-check? You just lose credibility as you go along.

    He`s a politician.

    If he was a historian, he wouldn`t be publishing statements that are so obviously untrue. Certainly not if he was a historian with any expert knowledge of the time and place he`s referring to.

    I`ll emphasise again that the original medieval records still exist. Parchment lasts for a fair few centuries under the right conditions.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 10:57 pm
    Well there goes another comment section courtesy of trollgilion
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    tacks Female 18-29
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    May 5, 2013 at 11:05 pm
    What an unbelievably stupid video. Dongles and tennis, my god the women have won.
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
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    May 5, 2013 at 11:10 pm
    If female supremacy is a bad thing, why am I always made to pay extra for it?
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    May 5, 2013 at 11:16 pm
    I guess because I live in the states I don`t see what this guy is talking about. I know for a fact men still make more money on average than women here for the exact same amount of work done in a day at that. And look at the middle east. I feel like everything this guy is talking about is either BS or only happening in his own country.
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    Pandabee Female 40-49
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:22 am
    I think someone is in the middle of a bad divorce.


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    Jonno22 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:35 am
    Easily the most ill-informed video I`ve seen on here.

    What the hell was his point about Wimbledon tickets and prize money?!
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:15 am
    the actual fcuk? This is the biggest pile of horse poo I`ve seen for a while.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2013 at 1:53 am
    What a whiney jerk.
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    MrAtari Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2013 at 4:08 am
    16. They have more orgasms
    17. They have the better bodies
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 5:32 am
    What the hell was his point about Wimbledon tickets and prize money?!

    His point was that the female matches bring in less money, last for a shorter period of time, have a lower skill level, yet the pay is equal. Or equal pay for unequal work.

    I know for a fact men still make more money on average than women here for the exact same amount of work done in a day at that.

    You mean the averages which generally don`t account for job differences, genuine hours worked, time off, negotiation of contract, willingness to work in crappy enviroments, longer commutes? When variables are accounted for the wage gap rapidly shrinks. But if you do that, you don`t have the shock statistics do you.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 5:43 am
    Also...

    Do I think that in some areas woman have the short end of the stick? Yes. I also believe that in other areas men have the short end of the stick. It`s not anywhere as simple as people like to spin it. To make the suggestion of "inequality to beat inequality" is silly. Are we going to force women to account for more workplace deaths? Increase their liklihood of killing themselves?
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 5:54 am
    When I hear this guys voice, all I can think of is the Benny Hill theme.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 6:05 am

    " know for a fact men still make more money on average than women here for the exact same amount of work done in a day at that"
    Used to be true, no longer is.
    But when has anyone in these political things ever declared victory? "We Want Equality" but have you ever heard them say "We Got It Yeah!" No, it suits their agenda to continue this outdated story.

    30 years ago they earned less. Now they earn the same. Every company I`ve ever worked for has exact hiring salary rules. Everyone starts at a specific amount, raises are according to a scheduled system, promotions come with standardized raises. Male or female doesn`t come into it.

    Other factors come into play as well, such as career fields, taking time off etc.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 6:09 am
    nobody said life was fair. as a female, i`ve felt discriminated against at certain times in my life and i`ve felt at other times that i was granted an unfair advantage.

    so unless the situation of discrimination is particularly egregious, say an unfair child custody battle (something i can talk about at length), just suck it up and move on.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 6:47 am
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 8:57 am
    What unmitigated rubbish. Men and women are not equal, they are more equal now than for a very long time, and that imbalance does not always favour men either. Women get paid, on average, less than men because they tend to do more child care. Men get a smaller slice in some areas of healthcare, they tend to get the short end of the stick when it comes to childcare..
    Equality means just that- and equality is something men want just as much as women- but some men see any loss of privilege as losing a right rather than losing an advantage. Feminists are not some special breed- they are women- who want to be equal to men, and men who want women to be their equal. It is very simple really...
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 9:14 am
    madduck didn`t watch the video. Either that, or she didn`t really address anything the video actually said. "It`s very simple really...."
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2013 at 10:09 am
    The video is some rather silly man whining a lot, cherry picking and being an arse. I can distort as much as he can- does this actually achieve anything at all- no.
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    YugureKage Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 10:21 am
    in a perfect world we would have a perfect meritocracy in which gender, race, sexual orientation, whatever had nothing to do with anything and only the merit and skill of the individual counted. However, that will never happen, no matter how much people scream out for "equality". Also, it is this kind of crap that gives feminism a bad name. All i want, as a woman, is the right to have the final say over my body (like with abortion). I know that things are equal now when it comes to school and jobs, I have as many opportunities as any guy with the same skills and that makes me happy. That`s all i want and I`ve got it. But Gerry said it, for these peoples` agendas it will never be enough. And that will be their downfall.
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    YugureKage Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2013 at 10:23 am
    And it makes me angry that women are given special treatment and poo. I don`t believe anyone should be given special treatment, just treated with the same respect as everyone else over all. I`m probably not making much sense any more, so I`m done.
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    KitFox Female 30-39
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    May 6, 2013 at 10:38 am
    Meh, this was boring. It`s much simpler than this. Some people are Feminists because they want women to have equal rights. And some people are Feminists because they are sexist or (in male Feminist cases) feel they need to overly prostrate themselves. Annoying that.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    May 6, 2013 at 11:03 am
    As a straight, white, middle-class male in a comfortable small town in a western democracy I`m doing just fine.

    I don`t feel oppressed by anyone, especially not women. Or anyone else, really. It`s working for me. So we probably shouldn`t change anything.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    Feminists are not some special breed- they are women- who want to be equal to men, and men who want women to be their equal. It is very simple really...

    Simple...and wrong.

    Feminists are people who advocate for female people*.

    In order to do that, it is obviously essential as a first step in everything to define people not just by their sex but as their sex, i.e. the opposite to what you`ve advocated in another thread. It`s impossible (obviously) to advocate for female people without defining people as female or other.

    So even the most moderate strains of feminism are profoundly and innately sexist because they require defining people by their sex and judging people on the basis of sexist stereotyping (advocating only for female people requires judging that only female people are worthy of consideration).

    * More accurately, female people who conform to whatever any given feminist thinks they should.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Also, if feminism was about sexual equality (which it so obviously isn`t and never can be) then the extremes of feminism would be extremes of sexual equality. They`re not. The extremes of feminism are extremes of sexism, especially antimale sexism, because the foundation of feminism is sexism, especially antimale sexism.

    There are feminists who want a to "phase out" malesness from humanity, a final solution to the male problem. That`s a feminist position. In fact, it`s the purest feminist position - the purest form of group advocacy is advocating that only that group should exist.

    You can be a feminist or you can advocate sexual equality. You can`t do both because they fundamentally oppose each other.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    Well there goes another comment section courtesy of trollgilion

    Yes dear. I`m such a troll for providing evidence of that damned inconvenient thing called reality that contradicts your fervent advocacy of unending sexism and the false statements you make in support of it.

    Advocating sexual equality isn`t trolling. It`s something I feel strongly about. I don`t care if it offends you, since I have no respect for you. I have no expectation of persuading you to stop trying to destroy the very idea of sexual equality - your position is based on faith and conditioning, so I couldn`t change your mind even if I cared enough about you to try.

    Trolling involves posting opinions you don`t actually have just to annoy people. I do advocate sexual equality and my motive in saying so isn`t annoying people, so I`m not trolling. But don`t let reality get in your way - why change the habit of a lifetime?
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7619 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    I would dispute that Angillion- I self identify as a feminist. I want to be equal- and I am old enough to remember a time when it really was not equal at all.. but I am not that old. Equal pay, the right not to be assualted in my own home... all this is very recent so for most of it I would say I advocate for women, but the things I want as equality advantage men too, most of the time. Some don`t- you might not want to rape your wife ( the very thought) - but I suppose knowing you can no longer do it could be removing an advantage... but generally if I have the right to a fulfilling career, you must have the right to stay at home to do childcare- so it should balance. I am a woman though..I want equality....
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
    568 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Soon, hopefully very soon, people will start realizing it`s about the skills you have, not your race, sex, w/e-the-drat. If you`re as dumb as a drating stump, say hello to your new bed, the hard sidewalk, day old rotting pizza in the trash, and hopefully no aid from the government.

    Why should the educated help support those which have no interest in truly bettering themselves or being useful to society? Especially in `Merica, I`ve noticed that a lot of people feel entitled to being supported by the system, simply because "I`m an American citizen". Why haven`t we adopted intelligence based eugenics?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    Equal pay, the right not to be assualted in my own home... all this is very recent

    Where? Here in England, it`s been 300 years...that`s not very recent and it`s not in your lifetime.

    I would say I advocate for women, but the things I want as equality advantage men too, most of the time.

    Giving the serfs scraps from the table of consideration, sometimes, when it`s unavoidable, is not equality.

    I would dispute that Angillion- I self identify as a feminist.

    You can dispute it, but you can`t refute it. You can`t be a feminist and advocate sexual equality - the two are not just mutually exclusive but inherently in opposition.

    And no, it isn`t about raping wives. It`s about education. It`s about healthcare. It`s about social status. It`s about representation in politics and law. It`s about parenthood. It`s about *everything*.

    Sexism isn`t the answer to sexism unless you want
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
    2988 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 5:31 pm
    i would comment on the video but as a man I have already lost the debate. for it i`m an enabler for those that want to abuse the situation to be equal but greater. against it and i`m a sexist pig that just wants to hold women down. and offering up the idea of actual equality will never be believed no matter how sincere.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1947 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    Hell, I`m all for equality but there`s a portion of IAB/society that seems to disregard the fact that there are DIFFERENCES between men and women. The differences exist and are NECESSARY. You know evolution being responsible for the way things are.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7619 posts
    May 6, 2013 at 11:13 pm
    Equal Pay act came in 1970, and when I started work in 1980 it was common practice to give men different job titles to pay them more. Marital rape was outlawed in 1981- again it was well into the 90`s before the police would intervene in what they saw as `a domestic`
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    KitFox Female 30-39
    595 posts
    May 7, 2013 at 8:15 am
    @ Madduck: I think European and American Feminism have different connotations. I`ve heard that European Feminists have remained fairly true to striving for equal rights. It`s American Feminists that have perverted it and made it into Island of the Cannibal Penis Haters.

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