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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    Link: 5-Year-Old Shoots, Kills Little Sister - Yes, it was an accident, but it was with the Cricket-brand `My First Rifle`... `Quality Firearms for American Youth.`
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    Because EVERY 4-year-old should get a gun for his birthday. Just skip the toy guns altogether. Booyah! Stop the world, I... you know the rest.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    SO they gave a 5 year old a rifle and left him unsupervised with it.... YA LETS BLAME GUNS!!! Lol....
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    Beter ban those too now huh gotta be safe!
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    Why give a 4 year old any gun period. Why leave it in place easily accessible to him. Why leave a goddamn round in the chamber.

    I`ve written this before and I`ll do it again, "though we all have the right to own a gun, some people shouldn`t".
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    These .22`s aren`t the kind that would be subject to any ban, they`re pretty easy to obtain in any developed country. It`s really just the parents being awful parents, and even more awful gun owners. We could make guns like alcohol and make it illegal to operate one under a certain age, but this should be thought of as allowing children to do dumb stuff, like playing on a cliff.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    @mcgovern, I think you`re view on banning guns is skewed. It`s not the thought that guns are personally responsible for the deaths. Anti-gun people understand that guns don`t literally kill people. It`s that there are millions of morons like this kids parents who don`t know how to handle a gun properly that makes them want to ban their right to own one.

    Before you go there. I`m a pro gun advocate. I come from a gun happy family. So don`t think differently, I`m just explaining the fault in this belief you a few others keep pushing.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Accidents happen. pooty parents for not keeping the rifle out of reach.
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    Langer Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    o.O
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    SminkyPinky Female 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    And yet kinder eggs are banned? WTF America?!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Nobody is blaming the gun. You can blame the parents and the gun manufacturer, though. Who gives a 5 year old a .22 caliber rifle? I` don`t even think 5 year olds are ready for BB guns.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Someone is getting a time out!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    You can blame the parents and the gun manufacturer, though.

    Lol the manufaturer for what selling a product to an adult?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    Every day kids get killed in various accidents. I`ll let you figure out why media outlets choose to publicize only this story.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    I like the Crickett company`s logo: "Quality firearms for America`s youth." I guess "Quality firearms for America`s children" sounded just a wee bit insane. Only because, well, it is.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    "I` don`t even think 5 year olds are ready for BB guns."

    Oh. An opinion.

    Firearm responsibility can be taught at any age. These parents just suck.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    The kinder egg ban was lifted. Also, at least 7 kids have died from the things. That`s just the world.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    There is no problem with a 5 year old learning to shoot under supervision. It`s even o.k. to refer to it as "his" gun. There is no excuse for the parents allowing him free access to it. I just bought a Marlin Mod. 60 for my 13 year old nephew. It`s HIS gun when I take him out shooting, but he doesn`t even look at it unless I am around. It`s in the safe, where it belongs.
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    thesandwich Male 18-29
    150 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    So leaving a .22 in the corner of the room, never even bothering to do an action check to see if its loaded before the kid grabbed it. Not teaching the kid to never point a gun at anything you don`t intend to destroy (regardless if its loaded or not) along with not teaching the kid to keep your finger out of the trigger guard unless you intend to shoot.
    And somehow all of this is a "crazy accident"?

    This isn`t an accident, its negligence on the parent`s part. So many things you can do and teach to prevent a tragedy, and everyone of them ignored by the parents.

    However, like damn near everything else we don`t blame the parents but blame the "guns, videogames, music, insert demon of the day here".
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    Auburnjunky said it really well.

    "Firearm responsibility can be taught at any age. These parents just suck."

    There`s no reason for a gun to be out where a 2 year old has access to it. It should have been locked up.

    This was an avoidable tragedy that simple gun safety would have prevented.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    McGovern1981,

    Yeah, just an everyday accident, could have been anything. Nothng to see here.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    No Charges Expected? Update!
    Obviously the parent(s) should face charges. It`s nothing short of criminal neglect.

    @Andrew155: That`s an excellent point! This sort of gun is the LAST thing that would be "banned" under proposed "gun laws". Single shot, bolt action, .22?

    This is a tragic death, but NO WORSE than a child drowning in a pool or spa! And that happens a LOT more often to children under age 5.

    I fully expect the gun grabbers to milk this cow to death, then beat it further...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    McGovern1981,

    Yeah, just an everyday accident, could have been anything. Nothng to see here.

    Tell me the stories you see published of a kid drowning in a pool. It happens more than this but people don`t flip out and demand pool control now do they?
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    German law states age 10 and above for the range and only under parental supervision. Even then it´s limited to air rifles and .22 or .25 caliber firearms until the age of 15 if I recall correctly. Quite sensible.

    However, the gun was not at fault here, and I also learned to handle a gun early on, age 6 in fact. Though I was never allowed to handle the gun on my own and it was stored in a locked cabinet with the other guns. In short, parenting fail.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    "There is no problem with a 5 year old learning to shoot under supervision."

    Sometimes you Americans scare the absolute hell out of me.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
    761 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Why give a 4 year old any gun period. Why leave it in place easily accessible to him. Why leave a goddamn round in the chamber.

    I`ve written this before and I`ll do it again, "though we all have the right to own a gun, some people shouldn`t".
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    Also here´s a direct copypaste of what I had to say to this elsewhere:

    "Note this: I learned to shoot at an early age as well on a rifle designed for youths, but interpreting "made for youths" as "meant to be carried and cared for by youths" instead of "sized down to be a teaching tool for youths under the supervision of an adult" is ignorant at best. Their poor storage of the firearm and failure to check that the chamber was cleared promotes more firearms education, not more fear mongering or finger pointing. It´s about like trying to blame the bicycle when a child of the same age as in this article falls off one and splits their head on the pavement because the parents failed to supervise them or keep them from getting at it on their own."
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    "I fully expect the gun grabbers to milk this cow to death, then beat it further..."

    Nah, kids get shot and killed for one reason or another too often in the US to make a political statement every single time it happens. Better to wait until the next school massacre. You get one in the US every 12-18 months or so after all, we won`t have too long to wait.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Tragedy.

    But this is more of a "parental failure" than a "guns are evil"
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2197 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    I just hope the rifle gets the counseling it will so desperately need, after this senseless tragedy.
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    beternal Male 18-29
    2589 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    I love the blase attitude "Just one of those crazy accidents"... that`s just sick!

    And all those people defending guns, imagine if it was your child! - And tell me what is safer, having a LETHAL WEAPON in the house, teaching someone how to use it (maybe)... or having NO lethal weapon in the house. What do you think is safer?!

    The safest weapon is no weapon.

    Still, congratulations on your Darwin Award!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    By the way, the stats comparing drowning versus gun death in children are wrong. The stats you`re using compare "accidental" gun death of children, like this one, to drowning. Not actual gun death, accidental and not, which is much, much, much higher. Just to be accurate.
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
    841 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    I will bet that sales of these rifles increase because of this incident. I would hate to be the neighbor of someone who gives their 4-year-old a rifle as a gift. Kids that young shouldn`t even have BB guns.

    I don`t know about Kentucky but in Wyoming where I grew up, you couldn`t get a hunting license until the age of 12. What that meant is that parents could buy an extra hunting license if they took their 12-year-old along with them. That is fine. At twelve, kids can discern that real guns have to be taken seriously. At five, they know they have to act serious when they are around adults but alone or with other kids, the gun is just a toy.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm
    They actually manufacture firearms tailored to kindergarteners?

    May as well have held that Crickett to my head; my mind is fracking blown.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    I`ve never heard of a 5 year old killing anyone with a fork before.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    That is just awful. All of my life growing up, there were rifles and pistols in our house. They all were unloaded except one. From an early age, it was drilled into my head to stay away from guns and treat any gun, real or fake, like it was loaded. I knew where they were, but I always kept my distance. On that note, that gun should not have been accessible to the child and the gun cleared. I truly am sorry for the family, but that was a dumb ass move that cost a child her life and probably deterred that boy from ever shooting a gun again.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    Fwoggie2-"Sometimes you Americans scare the absolute hell out of me."

    Yes, we know your side of the pond doesn`t like teaching kids responsibility until the age of....well, death quite frankley.

    peakingo-"Why give a 4 year old any gun period."

    Because, under good supervision, it can be a fun and learning experience.

    peakingo-"Why leave it in place easily accessible to him."

    Because they were stupid.

    peakingo-"Why leave a goddamn round in the chamber."

    Because they were stupid.

    This is no different than leaving the keys in the car. Dangerous when not used properly or under close supervision.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    MeGrendel, that`s a rather toothless attack on 780m people, try harder ;)
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    optimusdrone Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    Yes, beternal, you are so right.. Now lets not just get rid of those dangerous scary guns.. All those cleaning products under the sink, Deadly.. The gas in my garage, Deadly.. My lawn mower, Deadly. The electrical outlets, Deadly.. Darn, good thing you told us to get all those Deadly things out of our homes.. Although, I`m not sure why no one tries to outlaw forks and electrical outlets whenever some nit-wit fries them self`s with those so obviously deadly Items. Oh yeah, cuz we teach our kids to respect those things.. A firearm is not any different.. Parents need to teach their kids safety and respect for any dangerous items in the home. No one in their right mind allows a child to play with drain-o or a firearm.. But if something bad happens it`s not the fault of the electrical outlet, fork or firearm..
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Kids die in car accidents, too.
    Y`all better stop driving.
    I like horses but still too dangerous.
    People used to die under the wagon wheels or
    got trampled. Looks like we`ll have to use
    rickshaws .
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    What is most disgusting (other than the parents neglecting their responsibility in this case) is the gun grabbers using these two poor children to back their emotional and irrational fear of firearms. If you want to be a scared, irrational, emotional european (a.k.a. europuss) I suppose you have the right. Don`t expect us to douche down to your level. With rights come responsibility, and just because a few don`t own their responsibility doesn`t mean we all loose our rights. You limeys are a sad bunch who have given up your rights for the ridiculous idea of a government run paradise.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:11 pm


    Remember Eurotwats (mainly UK) everything is beter within the bubble there`s no agenda guns are bad unless they`re for p[rotection of the royal family because they`ve never abused the common man....
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    beternal-"having NO lethal weapon in the house."

    So, your house has no vehicles, baseball bats, knives, blunt object, frozen turkeys, pesticides or electricity?

    beternal-"The safest weapon is no weapon."

    Yeah, especially for the criminal coming into your house with a weapon....you not having a weapon is perfectly safe fore them.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    Was it one one of those Bolt-Action Assault .22 Long Rifles with a pistol grip & ghetto grip attachment, reflex sight and silencer?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    The thought about cars is that we strive to make them safer every year. They have to pass ever-increasing safety and efficiency measures and car deaths have decreased by nearly 50% in 40 years. So, no argument there.

    And, too, let`s quit saying liberals are trying to take everyone`s guns. They`re not. Just reasonable controls on sales, loopholes, lock requirements, safes, etc. You can keep mischaracterizing the liberal agenda all you want. It`s not about taking guns. It`s about making gun ownership safer. But, whatever. We`re all evil liberals. I guess I`m fine with that.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    just a case of bad parenting, not something that should be used for the anti gun nuts (but they will try). a .22 is NOT a gun for 5 year olds, MAYBE a BB gun at max at that age, but definitely not anything with any gun powder
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    So beternal, as your house apparently contains nothing that is deadly at all, I´d like to hear your stories of being homeless and how you came by whatever device you´re currently using to steal someones wifi with to make posts here.

    Also oddly not all Europeans are brainwashed or scared of guns, mostly just our mainstream imbeciles amd politicians. You´ll possibly notice my arguements are generally towards common sense and would be considered "pro" gun, so long as handled with education and responsibility. Generalization is a bad thing.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    And, too, let`s quit saying liberals are trying to take everyone`s guns. They`re not.

    SmagBoy - I disagree, it is about taking guns away. The plan is to do it one step at a time. It is defiantly not about safety or saving lives. If it was they wouldn`t be focusing on the weapons that are least likely to be used in a homicide. For me, it`s not a liberal vs conservative issue. I consider myself liberal on most issues. I could even get on board with some laws for background checks and gun locks, but I do not trust our politicians. They will use laws, passed with good intentions, to limit access for law abiding citizens. An example of a well intentioned law gone bad: In some states you have to pass a safety course to own a gun. In theory it`s not a bad idea. In reality these classes are run by the state which makes them unavailable, effectively banning weapons for those people.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    a 5 year old should not have a bb rifle. most kids shouldnt. hasnt anyone seen a christmas story? hell, my buddies at the age 14 shot another buddy with a high powered bb rifle (the guy let them shoot him). the bb went right into his gut. theres video footage of it, all you can hear is the guy yellin "its in MEEE!?!?" he had to have surgery to get the bb removed (after some home surgery with pliers of course). classy bunch of guys i hang out with.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    robthelurker - Your generation isn`t the brightest.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    Yeah, heh-heh, "just one of those crazy accidents." I mean what could you do? Store guns safely? Empty them after use? Maybe not give a rifle to a five-year-old? I know, crazy suggestions. Kids will kill kids, after all.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:09 pm
    This is no different than a child finding and drinking drano and dying. It`s a tragedy, particularly because its so easily preventable, in hindsight. The pain of losing their child is punishment enough for the parents. We need to remember that trying to have government regulate these things away is a pipe dream.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:46 pm
    What kind of idiot gives a firearm to a 5-year old?
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 10:46 pm
    Draculya - an American one.

    McGovern1981 - We`re really good at killing people with knives if we want to. You`ve gotta get a damn sight closer with a knife to kill someone - accidentally or otherwise.

    So, some stats from the UKTwat Guardian;

    No of firearms per 100 people in US (England and Wales in brackets): 88.8 (6.2).
    Homicide by firearm: 9,146 (41)

    Yes the US has more population, but the gun situation in the US is out of control. You go berserk about 3 people getting killed in a bombing in Boston, but yet won`t do anything about guns when there`s a shootout with that many people dead most days of the week over there. If we had 5 people killed by guns, it would be headline news for a week due to its rarity.

    But nothing is going to change and as a result every decade
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    "imagine if it was your child!"

    It would be a horrifying, accident, and wouldn`t change my opinion on gun control.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm
    "MeGrendel, that`s a rather toothless attack on 780m people, try harder ;)"

    This guy said "toothless" in a sentence referring to Europeans. Tee hee!
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Fwoggie - You dummy. Believe the picture painted by the media. This is the wild west...there are bullets flying by my head as I type this. I have to go put my 4year old daughter to bed in the fallout shelter and make sure she has enough ammo to survive until morning.

    What makes you think we give half a s#it about your arrogant europussy statistics? YOU can trade your basic human rights for the wrinkly warmth of the queen mum`s bussom. We don`t believe the idea of a government controlled paradise, so maybe you should loose the arrogance and realize your crappy side of the cesspool isn`t what America wants to be. Until then you can continue to roll over and show you belly, like a submissive bitch, to your privacy stealing handlers.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    May 2, 2013 at 12:39 am
    @Dracula ~ The same kind of idiot that then leaves said 5 year old unattended with the firearm and ammunition.

    To quote Ron White, "You can`t fix stupid."
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    May 2, 2013 at 1:05 am
    S hit happens
    accident, kids get killed over here by parents backing their cars off the drive forgetting little whoever is playing behind said car
    get strangled by the cords of blinds
    fall in garden ponds
    it happens
    sad but sh it just .... happens
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2013 at 2:38 am
    Big deal.
    It may sound heartless, but accidents happen.
    It`s tragic that a little girl died, but It`s not the guns fault.
    It sounds like it was the parent`s fault for leaving the gun loaded, and unlocked where a kid could get at it, and not teaching him that guns aren`t toys.

    And don`t say that kids don`t kill other kids without guns, it simply isn`t true.
    I a kid in my old school accidentally drowned anther kid when he was like 5, and my brother very nearly killed me when he pushed me out of a tree, breaking my neck.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    May 2, 2013 at 2:54 am
    Big deal.
    It may sound heartless, but accidents happen.
    It`s tragic that a little girl died, but It`s not the guns fault.
    It sounds like it was the parent`s fault for leaving the gun loaded, and unlocked where a kid could get at it, and not teaching him that guns aren`t toys.
    That`s exactly the point of the post, you dumbass.

    That`s the problem with the American firearm community today. Guns have been romanticized to the point that they are treated like toys. A55holes like you don`t see the problem with marketing a firearm to children.

    Would it be OK to market an automobile to children. In most states a person can`t drive a car until they are 16, so car companies don`t market them to people younger than that. But one must be even older to buy a gun, so why are these being marketed to children???
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
    202 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 3:38 am
    @RobSwindol

    You`re making very little sense right now.

    Firstly, the kid was 5. He doesn`t care about media romanticism. When you`re that age everything looks like a toy.
    Secondly, guns aren`t marketed to children because they can`t buy them.
    They are marketed to parents that want to teach their kids shooting in a safe and responsible way.
    The Cricket brand guns are single shot guns that need to be manually roostered and reloaded between shots, AND it has a freaking key lock built into the mechanism designed to prevent kids from using them without their parents consent and supervision.
    Firearms manufacturers aren`t telling kids to go get the gun and run around shooting stuff on their own without supervision.
    Parents teaching their kids to shoot is just like parents teaching their kids to drive.
    They might take them out to some isolated area and under supervision teach them the basics until they are old enough and responsible enough to legally do
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    thefatviking Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2013 at 3:46 am
    ...it on their own.

    Thirdly, what are you talking about?
    There are loads of motor vehicles designed specifically for children.
    Just none (or very few) made for the public road. Most are made for responsible and supervised use on closed circuits. Which BTW harms many more children each years than shooting.
    These vehicles are teaching aids meant to teach kids how to drive, until they are old enough and responsible enough to do it on their own.

    Just like with the guns no manufacturer is telling the kids to just take their dirtbike for a ride on the public road alone and unsupervised.
    If their parents let the kids do that they are BAD PARENTS, and it has nothing to do with the vehicles, the manufacturer, or "modern vehicle culture in America".
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 2, 2013 at 4:33 am
    "Guns have been romanticized to the point that they are treated like toys."

    No they haven`t. There are toy guns, but there are no gun toys.

    "Would it be OK to market an automobile to children."

    Daddy! Buy one of these in real life! It`s my favorite!

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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2013 at 4:46 am
    "just one of those crazy accidents".......

    I think that says it all..
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    irunfast86 Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2013 at 5:03 am
    i was under the assumption that the youngest age for a hunting license is 12. practice with a parent before then is acceptable. then you shouldn`t let the child alone until atleast 16 or 18. this is just an example of bad parenting. it has nothing to do with guns.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 5:39 am
    "I think that says it all.."

    Sure does. Same as if the parents let the kids play on the freeway, or let them swim in a shark tank.

    Bad parenting leads to bad accidents.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 5:44 am
    And, too, let`s quit saying liberals are trying to take everyone`s guns. They`re not. Just reasonable controls on sales, loopholes, lock requirements, safes, etc.

    along with the banning of thoes scary "assualt rifles" and high cap mags..... yep no agenda there....
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3362 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 6:06 am
    I think part of the problem is, yes other things kill kids, but this is one of many examples of a tragedy that COULD have been avoided. These parents were negligent and it`s stupid that someone had to die because of that negligence. There needs to be tighter control on WHO can have access to guns. I`m not saying we can prevent every death but FFS can we do anything to even try when it`s something this blatant?

    I don`t think the solution is to send the parents to prison, they have to live with the fact that they`ve lost their child and we don`t need to screw up the brother anymore than he already is messed up now that he`s killed someone.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
    2581 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 6:35 am
    Meanwhile, in Africa, kids are starving.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    578 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 6:36 am
    Horrible incident. But how does banning guns stop horrible parenting or just plain stupidity? You lefties can`t simply legislate these kinds of things out of society. I think you minimize a lot of problems by starting with holding good things to high value and teaching them to our children. We have multi-generational dumb-assery in our country and it only getting worse. But hey, let`s keep glorifying drugs and violence and sex every one up (see Miley Cyrus post). Let`s keep honest decent religion down and focus only on the headline incidents of the few who abuse it. We need more reality TV and entitlement mentality and less "The Waltons" and people taking responsibility for thier own actions. Yup, to heck wit legalizing marijuana, let`s just open the damn pharmacy doors wide open across the country! /end sarcasm
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 6:36 am
    23 people were shot in Chicago last night were you can`t own a pistol. Imagine that "control"(which is banning) gives gangs a way to run unimpeded Obamas blueprint for the US LOL!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 6:39 am
    @Agent00Smith

    Should probably get the f**k out of Africa then or learn to eat the flies on their faces. WTF does that have to do with this??
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2047 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 8:26 am
    What this was was a stupid stupid mistake made by the mother. It could have been avoided and prevented. Senseless.

    I don`t like the picture used for the link. Kinda implies that the kid had an intent to murder.
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    kasuko Male 30-39
    9 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 9:16 am
    As per the NRA - this death could have been avoided if the little girl had a gun too!! Bad parenting would not have got the girl killed if there was NO gun in the house to begin with!!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 9:55 am
    @kasuko: The NRA in no way, shape or form endorses leaving a 2 and 4 year old ALONE in a house with a LOADED gun.

    There`s legitimate reasons to "knock the NRA" but that ain`t one of them...

    If there was no Draino under the sink? If there was no draw cords for the curtains? If there was no staircase to fall down...
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 10:11 am
    I had a bb gun when I was 5, but it couldn`t even kill the crows. I definitely did not have a 22 at age 4, like this kid. I didn`t get one of those until I was 10 and had proved that I was able to handle a gun appropriately, I vote bad parenting on this one. Leaving a loaded gun out alone with a five year old is like doing the same with prescription medication, just stupid.
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    ak47reaper Male 18-29
    117 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 10:14 am
    who the hell buys a five year old a weapon. here billy have this combat knife, i know your only five and have the brains of chimp, but i trust you.

    the adults of the house hold should be charged with manslaughter, or at least wreakless endangerment of a child for leaving a danger weapon in reach of a child whit out properly educating them. and i don`t want to hear any boo hoo for the parents their at fault they set up the condition for this death knowingly or unknowingly.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 10:14 am
    @McGovern1981: Your post at Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:11:40 PM reminds me of Rousseau when he said:

    "It will be said that the despot assures his subjects civil tranquillity. Granted; but what do they gain, if the wars his ambition brings down upon them, his insatiable avidity, and the vexatious conduct of his ministers press harder on them than their own dissensions would have done? What do they gain, if the very tranquillity they enjoy is one of their miseries? Tranquillity is found also in dungeons; but is that enough to make them desirable places to live in? The Greeks imprisoned in the cave of the Cyclops lived there very tranquilly, while they were awaiting their turn to be devoured."
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    ak47reaper Male 18-29
    117 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 10:16 am
    the kid in the pic is at least 10
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    turdburglar - the Queen Mum is long dead, so her bosom`s not gonna be that warm these days. And yeah, you guys sure don`t believe the idea of a govt controlled paradise which is why so many of you arm yourselves to stop "them" (without defining who in the government "them" is).

    95% of our cops don`t have authorisation to carry guns in the UK, because there`s no need for it. Moreover, over 82% of the police in a BBC survey last year themselves said they didn`t want to be issued a gun.

    There`s nothing submissive about having sensible gun laws. No law abiding citizen should feel the need to have one, because the police and military should protect them. And in Europe, they do a very good job, so we don`t have to.
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
    335 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    Three cheers for Darwin.
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    Hopefulbliss Male 18-29
    25 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    "There`s nothing submissive about having sensible gun laws. No law abiding citizen should feel the need to have one, because the police and military should protect them. And in Europe, they do a very good job, so we don`t have to."

    *Sees he is from Europe, facepalms.

    "Should" = "Gee I sure hope so!"

    History class is useless I suppose.

    Guns are out of control in America, that`s pretty obvious. But to take them all away is just as ridiculous.

    Five guns for every child, assault charged man, and mentally unstable woman = Bad

    Taking away all guns and relying upon the government which is about as corrupt as it could be? = Just as bad!

    Can`t we find a fair middle ground of laws, devoid of meaningless political agenda, which allows for proper safety for citizens, while allowing individuals the right to protect themselves and their loved ones from others, including the government? Surely we can come u
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
    1467 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 7:28 pm
    No.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 9:49 pm
    The parents should be jailed for 1) not double-checking to make sure the gun was not loaded and 2) leaving it gun standing in the corner where the kid could get to it.

    The sad thing is, though, kids die all the time from accidents and negligence, but we don`t try to outlaw the proximate cause except in the extremely rare cases when it`s a gun. A lot more kids die from bike crashes and drowning than guns, but you don`t hear liberals crying to outlaw bikes and pools.

    It`s always sad when children die, but what really bothers me, though, is when liberals use their coffins as soap boxes to push their anti-constitutional gun confiscation agenda.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 9:53 pm
    No law abiding citizen should feel the need to have one, because the police and military should protect them. And in Europe, they do a very good job, so we don`t have to.

    Right...

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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    May 2, 2013 at 11:32 pm
    turdburglar - the Queen Mum is long dead, so her bosom`s not gonna be that warm these days. And yeah, you guys sure don`t believe the idea of a govt controlled paradise which is why so many of you arm yourselves to stop "them" (without defining who in the government "them" is).

    95% of our cops don`t have authorisation to carry guns in the UK, because there`s no need for it. Moreover, over 82% of the police in a BBC survey last year themselves said they didn`t want to be issued a gun.

    There`s nothing submissive about having sensible gun laws. No law abiding citizen should feel the need to have one, because the police and military should protect them. And in Europe, they do a very good job, so we don`t have to.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    May 3, 2013 at 7:28 am
    Fwoggie2-"No law abiding citizen should feel the need to have one, "

    See, you have no say in what a law abiding citizen `feels` they need.

    Fwoggie2-"because the police and military should protect them."

    See, unfortunately, courts have found that the police have no responsibility to protect you. And the military does not act as a police force. In fact, they are banned from doing so by law, except in very specific situations.

    I`m sorry if you have an irrational fear of an inamate object. Sane people have no such fear.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    May 3, 2013 at 7:30 am
    This reminds me of the big stink over how `dangerous` ATV`s were at first.

    A couple wanted to have them banned because their child was killed on one, and they had it on video. The parents went to the media to show the video in hopes of having them banned.

    Turns out the video was of Mom & Dad placing a 6 year old (on his birthday) on a HUGE ATV by himself, where his feet didn`t even reach half-way to the pedals, with no training or helmet. Kid immedialty goes full throttle and rolls it an kills himself.

    The parents thought the video was proof of how dangerous ATV`s were. The REST of the world knew the vidoe was proof that the kid had idiots for parents.

    But it was the ATV`s fault.
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    Doiknowyou Male 30-39
    937 posts
    May 3, 2013 at 7:48 am
    A .22 caliber rifle is not a f`n toy. It doesn`t matter if it has a cute name like crickett, is a f`n RIFLE! You want the kid to play with a rifle? Get himm a bb gun NOT a f`n .22...On the other hand, if all the incompetent parents would get their kids rifles, maybe they`d just eliminate themselves from the gene pool
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    KitFox Female 30-39
    595 posts
    May 3, 2013 at 10:02 am
    I agree with MeGrendel`s last statement.
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    shaustin Male 18-29
    143 posts
    May 4, 2013 at 4:11 pm
    wow.... i just dont understand why these people are so ridiculously obsessed with guns, are they just the hippest fashion accessory for the uneducated to show off to their friends? or do these people all honestly intend on killing other people with them? Because i dont see very many other possible uses for the things
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    Idunthinkso Female 18-29
    27 posts
    May 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    @MeGrendel.
    Most sane people recognize an ATV as something not purposefully designed to kill.

    There`s a big difference in real perception and twisting a story to fit your spin.

    Guns kill. ATVs `can` kill. But your obviously ok with giving a 5 year old a gun, but letting one on an atv is bad parenting?

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