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Date: 04/30/13 03:53 PM

48 Responses to Zimmerman Trial Update 001

  1. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 3:54 pm
    Link: Zimmerman Trial Update 001 - Zimmerman murder trial is getting some steam up with pre-trial hearings. Story in credits link below.
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    So.. are you Americans rooting for or against him?
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    Self Defense? I`m sorry, who was following who with a gun?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:25 pm
    So, here`s the question: Did Zimmerman fear for his life? Did he fear that Martin was actually going to KILL him. Not beat his short man-diseased ass for him, but actually kill him. Actually take his life.

    If the answer is "no", then Zimmerman needs to have his murdering ass hauled off to jail.

    And if the answer is "yes", then he needs his gun taken away for being too stupid to own one, and then be thrown in jail for instigating a fight and being a dumb pussy for not knowing the difference between a well-deserved beating and someone trying to kill him.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Self Defense? Damn right!
    I can understand Martin getting a bit pissed that Zimmerman thought he was a burglar, but that`s to reason to attack someone. And once your on top of them slamming their head into the concrete, they have a right to stop you, even if the only way available at the time is a gun in your pocket.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    I disagree with Gerry. Zimmerman instigated the fight. And, you DON`T have a right to kill unless you`re in fear of immanent death. Carrying a gun is like being Spider Man. With great power comes great responsibility. drat, I`ve been "scared" a lot of times in my life. Even taken a couple of beatings. That doesn`t give me a right to kill someone. Especially an unarmed someone. Double especially someone with whom I picked a fight.
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    12chars Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:37 pm
    gerry be trollin`.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    canoas- I think Zimmerman is guilty of 1st degree manslaughter- if they even have such a crime there in the 3rd world state of Florida. I hope Zimmerman get`s a good amount of jail time. I also hope he get`s sued- if he`s not already- by Martin`s family for wrongful death and loses there as well.
    Zimmerman is the one who set in motion the events that transpired that night; He failed to responsibly carry out his `duties` as a neighborhood watch representative in a safe, responsible manner- or even according to, protocol, he ignored dispatcher advice, and he panicked when things went wrong.
    Mr. Martin certainly could have handled the situation better, but the majority of the culpability is on Mr. Zimmerman.
    In my humble opinion.
    As for `rooting`? No. What happened that night was a tragedy for all involved.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    "Zimmerman instigated the fight" Martin didn`t live in the neighborhood he was a stranger. It is not "instigating a fight" to ask a stranger what they are doing there. That is not a reason to jump on someone and start pounding them which is what Martin did. He didn`t deserve to die, but Zimmerman has the right to defend himself.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    @SmagBoy: Attacked, on his back, being beaten, the man doing it is yelling "I`m going to kill you!" head being bashed against the concrete sidewalk...

    NOPE! NO REASON AT ALL to think he might be in danger...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    @SmagBoy: So he`s guilty if he`s guilty, and he`s also guilty if he`s not guilty? NICE! Very "liberal" of you!

    @shamrock: Please edumicate yourself before sounding stupid like that:
    The Missing 2+ Minutes

    Evidence That Martin Doubled Back

    Or! Here`s a CRAZY idea! Let a Judge and Jury decide if Zimmerman is guilty or not!

    Zimmerman: One White parent, one Hispanic parent
    Media says: He`s WHITE!
    Obama: One White parent, one Black parent
    Media says: He`s BLACK!

    I expect the usual "crazybugs" will also crawl out of the woodwork too...

    HIS SHIRT WAS TUCKED IN!!!
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    So you are saying he got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid that he outweighs by about 100 lbs while stalking him and carrying a gun?
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:06 pm
    @5cats, educate yourself. He was told by 911 not to follow, yet he still did. He doesn`t follow, none of this happens. Let the cops do their job. I would double back too if someone was tailing me.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:08 pm
    @Gerry: To me Zimmerman did not instigate the fight when he asked Martin what was up, he instigated the fight when he went after him again, even after being told by police to stop.

    @5Cats: Yes, I believe he`s guilty, but, liberal or not, if he`s found innocent, I`ll support that verdict. I`d rather 100 guilty men go free than one innocent be put in jail. And, too, if found innocent, to honor you, I`ll take a good look at it again. Fair?

    @CaptKangaroo: You said "What happened that night was a tragedy for all involved." Amen.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    So who was looking for trouble, the guy with a gun in his pocket or the kid with skittles in his pocket?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    Sounds like you were all there at the time and saw it all go down, we don`t even need a judge, jury or lawyers! Open & shut case, great work everyone, time to move on to the next one!!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    @ SmagBoy - "he instigated the fight when he went after him again, even after being told by police to stop."
    Check your facts, that never happened.
    1: 911 operators are not the police.
    2: they always say "don`t", They can`t very well tell you "sure, take on that burglar! good idea!"
    3: He didn`t go after him "again" he followed from a distance, then Martin turned on him and confronted Zimmerman. This is confirmed by witnesses and the cell phone records.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    shamrock, "So who was looking for trouble, the guy with a gun in his pocket or the kid with skittles in his pocket?"
    No one was looking for trouble, but sometimes schitt happens and you have to deal with it.

    You are allowed to carry a gun. It does not mean you are "looking for trouble". It`s like having a condom in your wallet. You may not be looking for sex, but you want to be prepared just in case.

    In Texas I carried a gun, not to "look for trouble" but because I was tired of getting mugged unarmed {twice}. Funny thing, once I started carrying the pistol no one tried to mug me...fortunately.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    @Gerry, Zimmerman was looking for trouble. If he doesn`t follow Martin like 911 told him not to, none of this happens. Cops were notified. No crime was in progress. Plain and simple.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    In Texas I carried a gun, not to "look for trouble" but because I was tired of getting mugged unarmed {twice}. Funny thing, once I started carrying the pistol no one tried to mug me...fortunately.

    Zimmerman wasn`t getting mugged. Martin didn`t track Zimmerman, it was the other way around. If anybody had a reason for self defense, it was the kid.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:21 pm
    @shamrock: Your ignorance is matched only by your lack of facts:

    Martin: 5`11" 158 pounds

    Actual (bleeped) 9/11 Call

    The 9/11 operator (NOT a cop!) tells him to stop, and 3 SECONDS later? He does. If you had looked at my previous links? They cover this extensively.

    In the following 2 & 1/2 minutes Martin did NOT walk the 100 yards to his home, and Zimmerman was NOT searching for him...

    @SmagBoy: Fair enough. Still; I wish you`d look at the facts we have, rather than IMAGINE how things MIGHT have happened...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    shamrock - if you see a stranger in your neighborhood does he have a right to beat you? Jump on you, punch you to the ground and beat hour head against the concrete?

    That is what Martin did to Zimmerman. Why blame Zimmerman for passively following someone? No, martin didn`t know he would die, didn`t deserve to die, but he behaved in an aggressive fashion and initiated a violent confrontation. Let me repeat - Martin initiated the violent confrontation.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    shamrock - if you see a stranger in your neighborhood does he have a right to beat you? Jump on you, punch you to the ground and beat hour head against the concrete?

    That is what Martin did to Zimmerman. Why blame Zimmerman for passively following someone? No, martin didn`t know he would die, didn`t deserve to die, but he behaved in an aggressive fashion and initiated a violent confrontation. Let me repeat - Martin initiated the violent confrontation.

    No he did not. Zimmerman was following him. He wasn`t just standing around minding his own business. If he stayed in his car, I repeat, he got out of his car to follow. That`s what initiated the whole thing.
  24. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    The article suggests the defense cannot ask for this "immunity" again, but the BBC News guy said they could at any time during OR AFTER the trial...

    That makes sense to me.

    That the Z-Defense chose to bypass this option suggests (to me) that they have a strong case! And fear a "political Judge" would simply "kick the can" to a trial anyhow, rather than face public wrath with a (well deserved) acquittal...
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    You can follow anyone you damn well please. There is no law against following somebody in your neighborhood, especially from a distance.

    This is now a political matter, and so people will throw all common sense into the wind, so their "team" can win.

    SAD.
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    pladius Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    Everybody can argue about this all they want. Only two people know what happened that night. One of them is dead.
    We will never know what happened. Please, get back to your idiotic banter. I bet you all argue on facebook too.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2013 at 7:05 pm
    Of course he declined Stand Your Ground. It wasn`t Stand Your Ground. It was simple self defense, and he will win with that defense. If he tried for SYD, he would lose.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    Yeah, he`s a stand up guy. He had his bond revoked for lying to the court.
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    Wayoldman Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 7:13 pm
    Guilty or not the way this pre and post and everything else poo is going I don`t think there will ever be a trial, we will be waiting next year at this time and everyone will still be bitching who`s right.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    shamrock - so, because Zimmerman followed him from a distance of 30 feet, Trayvon Martin has a right to beat him up? To pound his head against the concrete? And Zimmerman does not have any right to defend himself, just accept the beating. That is in effect what you are saying.

    Also, Martin is in no way responsible for his actions. He`s not liable for his choice to beat someone up? He is completely blameless for his own aggressive actions?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    For shamrock George Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    why is this even going to trial anyways? I thought we had a right to self defense, this is ridiculous. If Trayvon was a white kid this wouldnt be as hyped. Reverse Racism at its finest.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 30, 2013 at 10:14 pm
    The "Stand Your Ground" statute doesn`t apply here. He had already lost his "ground" when Martin had him pinned on his back and was bashing his skull against the concrete sidewalk.

    This is a simple case of self-defense.

    I was going to respond to some of the comments here, but after reading them, the stupidity was overwhelming.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 30, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    "I thought we had a right to self defense,"
    Unless the media pick up the story and stir up a fire storm. Unless black congressmen comment on your guilt before you`ve even been charged. Unless the Black Panthers put a 1 million dollar bounty on your head "dead or alive". {Illegal but no one charged them with a crime.} Unless the Reverend Al Sharpton COUGHsharlatonCOUGH hits town with his traveling road show to stir up hornets nests.
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    KingVandal Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    hang zimmerman
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 5:31 am
    That`s right. Hang a guy for acting within his rights. Suuuuuure.

    Media sheep.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 6:31 am
    Are you really, really, absolutely sure? I think he`s determined not to file.

    They should include a series of questions like these in the wedding vows.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 6:58 am
    Wow I almost forgot how boring the start of court is until I watched this. Thanks for adding to my boredom Gerry.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:17 am
    If you assualt someone for asking you a question you might get shot imagine that!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:25 am
    What the news won`t tell you is before this happened the neighborhood had a bunch of home bugluries with two suspects described similar to what travon looked like.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:33 am
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:34 am
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 9:24 am
    @McGovern: I agree 100%!

    "Unbiased Reporting" My arse!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm
    To be sure, I`ve only ever heard of Zimmerman being called white by posters here. To me, if he identifies as Latino, that`s how he should be referred to as. I`m surprised any news outlet would call him white (although, of note, many forms that ask for "race" don`t include a Latino designation).
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    @SmagBoy1: Every MSM media feature I`ve ever seen, every MSM article I`ve read, every "left wing" (ie: Pro-Martin) blogger, every time Sharpton or his fellow "race baiters" talk about this case?

    Zimmerman is called "white".

    Honestly, not exaggerating or anything. They may mention his "mixed heritage" but the headlines always say WHITE...
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 6:52 pm
    "I`d rather 100 guilty men go free than one innocent be put in jail. And, too, if found innocent, to honor you, I`ll take a good look at it again. Fair? "

    So you`d rather have murderers set free, who will probably kill again, instead of having 1 innocent in jail? How does that make sense? You`re killing several innocent people so one of them doesn`t go to jail.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm
    If you were the innocent one being railroaded into a prison system because they were too busy getting EVERYONE then you would understand.

    I`d rather a guilty person go free so an innocent man can as well--that guilty bastard will be caught eventually, but there is no bigger injustice than the justice system imprisoning unfairly.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 1, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Canoas, "So you`d rather have murderers set free, who will probably kill again, instead of having 1 innocent in jail? How does that make sense?"
    Are you volunteering to be "the one innicent" that is jailed?

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