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Date: 04/15/13 09:16 AM

22 Responses to Neil DeGrasse Tyson On Cheating [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of Tiredofnicks
    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    April 15, 2013 at 9:16 am
    Link: Neil DeGrasse Tyson On Cheating - And the reason for it.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 9:25 am
    It`s true, take the Finnish school system for example. Check it out, it`s the most successful system so far and it has barely any tests. Other researches show that starting school at an early age hurts development, shorter recess hurts kids` functionality in class. Starting school at later hours like 9-10 showed improvement in performance and grades (to the surprise of nobody), graded tests and studying for exams has also been shown to hurt the learning process.
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    MelCervini Female 50-59
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    April 15, 2013 at 9:39 am
    sooooo someone cheating is the school`s fault...??? More "accountability" i see.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 9:46 am
    @MelCervini, I see you didn`t get his message. He means that students are more concerned about passing tests then actually learning and understanding the subject, which is expected since this is what this school system is all about really.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2013 at 9:50 am
    Studying for exams is not what is harmful to grades. It`s HOW one studies for tests and exams that determines success or failure and not every method of studying works the same for everyone.

    Schools teach one method of learning, maybe two if your kid gets a good teacher. The regimented way we teach our kids, in such a rigid format, is leaving many students struggling to keep up.

    School was easy for me, too easy, I wasn`t challenged enough, got bored, never studied and still got passing grades. However when I did "Study" got `A`s at will, usually when there was an actual reward for doing so.

    Not everyone is motivated like that, not everyone seeks the same rewards or fears failure. Learning is a much more individual thing and we should identify what kind of learners or kids really are and teach them accordingly.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 15, 2013 at 9:52 am
    And the reason people get wet in the rain is because rain is made of water.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
    1216 posts
    April 15, 2013 at 9:55 am
    @CrakrJak, Of course, and you are right about the studying for tests thing, but some thing are universal and also obvious, like starting school at an early hour and age, or stressing kids with grades and exams.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 10:26 am
    its also because I`m lazy and forgot to study. But sure!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2013 at 10:52 am
    I did very well in school and university. However, is that because I`m "intelligent", or does it just mean I`m good at doing exams? The two are related, but different things...
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 11:00 am
    tests should be a way for teachers to see how well the students are learning and what areas they need in help, and they sometimes are, but for the most part test results are just numbers the teachers punch into a computer that goes toward our grade point average.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 11:01 am
    @ruthless1990, I can not remember the last time I studied for a test, but I can tell you it wasn`t after 3rd grade, and I did it no more than maybe 3 times in my life. Yet, I`m doing very well on exams, and in contract, some of my friends that do study do terribly.

    Now I have my final exams, yet I`m still not studying and doing well.

    I also never did homwork in my life, yet I got the highest score in the class for History final exam.
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
    2018 posts
    April 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    Most kids place a value of ZERO on learning, so It is not hard to value grades more than that. Please, dont blame the system when the kids may be lazy losers.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    @chicagojay, How would you explain Finland`s dramatic shift with their educational success right after they reformed the educational system? Was the generation of kids learning with the old system just lazy like that, and by coincidence the next generation are not lazy, just when the system was changed?
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    Nageki Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    Nailed it. Exactly what I`d expect from this wonderful man.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 15, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    What? .... WHAT!!!?
    Stupid ass lazy kids don`t study and, because they have no values {parent`s fault} the kids cheat and that is the schools fault? Jeezuz Christ on a Cracker, no wonder kids don`t have any sense of "consequence of action". They`re not held responsible for anything they do. Great greasy gonads of God I hate this type of libretard stupid mentality.

    NDT sank even lower in my estimate of him. I didn`t think that was possible.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    @gerry1of1, Again, Finland proves otherwise.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    "Finland proves otherwise."
    ? That makes no sense. Finland? Yeah, they invented the sauna but what have they done lately?
  18. Profile photo of NNoamfer
    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    @Gerry1of1, Read the comments I made. Finland changed their educational system and got big results. Here`s an example.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    I usually don`t care much about Neil deGrasse Tyson, but I wholeheartedly agree with him in many thoughts, this being one of them.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 15, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    NNoamfer, my comment was personal accountability for cheating. That it`s the individual not the school`s fault. Other wise, I could steal from my boss and blame the public education system. This is about holding people accountable for their choices. People failing would be the education systems fault, if they all fail, but cheating is a personal choice that reflects the individuals morals.

    And cheating is not limited to students. Atlanta School System had their cheating scandal where the teachers were improving the test scores of their students.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    Thank you Captain Obvious! Your the hero we deserve!
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    Magentab0b Female 30-39
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    April 16, 2013 at 4:29 am
    I won`t believe it unless there is a study done.

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