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64 Responses to Infographic: Gun Facts You Need To Know!

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Link: Infographic: Gun Facts You Need To Know! - So simple, even a Democrat can understand it! With links to back up every fact.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    So simple, even a Democrat can understand it!
    Wow, must be a ... *checks link* Yes indeed, a 5Cats post! Still batting at 100%, after all these years.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    It`s only tragic when several people are killed at the same time, but when thousands are killed one person at a time...it`s ok.

    That is the only logical reason to focus on the scary guns like the AR-15.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    I knew two people who were murdered with guns, by their father, during a custody battle. Even though the children expressed fear over their father`s ability to responsibly possess a gun the Children`s Aid Society told them that they couldn`t do anything about it until he did prove dangerous.
    I knew a young man who was stabbed under a bridge because he objected to another man who was pissing next to his head as he slept.
    I knew a girl who was stabbed in an apartment as an unwitting bystander in an insane, jealous lovers` feud.
    I knew a man who died from a blow to the head in a bar brawl.

    All murder is horrible.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Interesting how one of the facts omitted is that most Americans DON`T own any guns at all.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Ugh.

    Look at the other countries in the "top gun homicides" list. Not known for being particularly stable.

    Rifles v. other murder
    how many people have access to a rifle compared to those with access to their fists? especially in a situation where they get in a violent altercation? "Hang on, let me go home and get my gun before I can kill you." Sheer statistics say that there will be more deaths caused by the most readily available weapons.

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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    5cats - It`s not a democrat VS. republican issue. When you start the conversation like that, you are hurting your own cause.
    It`s more like emotion VS. Logic. The pro ban supporters are scared and want SOMETHING DONE!
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    97e4ad Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    The oft-cited statistic of "2.5 million" instances of self-defense with a gun is based on ONE telephone survey in 1993, of 5000 people. 67 said they used a gun in self-defense, which was extrapolated to 2.5 million. No attempt was made to confirm the data. Given that there are only one million violent crimes in the US per year, this is an example of bad statistics.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    love how they left handguns out of the picture. as drprofessor stated not many people carry rifles, but with the increase in conceal to carry permits more people have handguns. to keep with this not all of them are safe people. just waiting for the news stories about one of them shooting up a bar due to someone hitting on their wife/girlfriend or just being a dick.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    hear is a good link for you guys
    http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
  11. Profile photo of turdburglar
    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Of course they left hand guns out of it. The point was to show the stupidity of going after the AR15 and to show the stupidity of using emotions from the school shooting to take away second amendment rights.
  12. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Arrgh! Link For Explanations HERE

    Sources like the FBI and UN. You know: ultra right-wing!

    @97e4ad: That is an abject lie. The FBI and other groups collect information EVERY YEAR on such things. They may use various criteria, but I assure you it`s not "just one pole".

    @jops360: They left handguns OUT because the CURRENT round of "gun laws" ALSO leaves them OUT. El Duh!
    The currently proposed "laws" would ban "assault gun-like weapons" (namely the AR-15 and others) which are in fact identical to 1,000 NOT BANNED weapons in all but appearance. But they LOOK scary!
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    turdburglar

    they left handguns out of the killing statistics, but they were in the owning statistics.. thats the bad thing. I doubt that more than 90% of americans own a rifle.. most only own handguns.

    So they argue that 90% of people own guns (all kind of guns) yet only "such a small percentage" are killed by rifles...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    ;-) @davymid:

    My last 3 posts: (not counting this one...)

    Happy Plane
    How To Stop Cats
    9 Killed In India
    BOOBIES! Tits! Yayas!

    You claiming you`re 5/5?? :-P
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    @5Cats - Yeah, turdburglar is right, when you start a thread about guns by saying "So simple, even a Democrat can understand it" your argument loses all credibility. Remember, I`m pro-gun, and I hate when people immediately start attacking one party. In the words of a NYHC band called Sick of it All, "Don`t be a prick in the roses, no one`s impressed with your lack of respect. We`re all black sheep and we know it, so don`t f*ck it up for the rest!"

    It`s Democrat vs Republican, Liberal vs Conservative, or any of that sh*t. It`s Pro-Gun vs Anti-Gun, I don`t identify with either party or with liberals/conservatives, I focus on each issue separately, I don`t subscribe to any one "party platform" you could say. I know plenty of registered Democrats who are pro-gun just as I know Republicans who are anti-gun. So please, stop d
  16. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    @Corydoras: See? Now THAT is a valid point! I`ll have to look into that later as right now I gotta take a bath...

    *sniff sniff*

    Oh yeah! Definitely overdue...
    Ok, no more procrastination...
    Here I go...
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    vv I`m not saying I can tell 100% of the time every submission by 5Cats. I`m saying I can tell 100% of the time that this particular post or that particular post is a 5Cats submission. Never been wrong yet.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    "However, The us doesn`t even crack the top 25 in gun murder rate"

    Look at all those third world countries we have less gun violence than. We should be very proud.

    "In life and death situations civilians use guns to defend themselves more than 77% of the time"

    ... almost always using hand guns which nobody is trying to take away.

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    "blunt objects"

    Wow. Pretty big category. Clubs, hammers, crowbars, rocks, baseball bats, sticks, pipes, picture frames, bricks.... So we have a category for EVERY single object that someone picks up and hits someone with vs a specific category (rifles) of a specific category (guns).

    "Fists"

    NO. Wrong. The category is "Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)", etc. So strangling someone or shaking a baby would be included NOT just "fists". Also includes pushing, so pushing peopel into traffic or off a cliff.

    "Knives"

    NO. Wrong again. The category is "Knives or cutting instruments" so that includes axes, swords, machetes, scalpels, etc.



  20. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    Currently: The ONLY States I know of that are passing "gun laws" are ones that are firmly Democrat, like Colorado.

    The Federals? Obama (President) and Biden (Vice-President) and ALL the Democrats have vowed to pass "gun laws".

    Yes, it`s true, some Repubs are jumping on the bandwagon too, BUT!
    There`s also Democrats who`ve dared to say "those proposed laws are..." stupid, useless, expensive, counter productive, unconstitutional & etc.
    But THEY don`t get ANY MSM coverage now do they?

    So YES! I KNOW! It`s not just "one side or the other" obviously.

    On the other hand, with the char limits and all, being "politically correct" about it EVERY SINGLE TIME would take pages of titles and pages of descriptions! Not "one line" eh?

    Plus, even whem I`m extra polite? They `IAB Liberal Brigade` STILL whines at me... there`s no pleasing some people, so why bother?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    @turdburglar - You`re 100% correct about handguns. They`re left out because they`re not as scary looking as "military style assault weapons." But these a$$holes still go after the rifles ignoring the fact that handguns are used to commit murder WAY MORE than rifles.


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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    @davymid: I bow to your "5Cats-Fu" >^.,^<

    It`s like Kung-Fu or Google-Fu, but... you know!
  23. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    How often we going to beat this dead horse?

    How often are we going to have the EXACT same debate over the EXACT same statistics? Oh but this one is an INFOGRAPHIC! Well post it then.

    Let`s see the formula.

    Take a severely biased post by a sevrely biased person.
    Add in a majority of people on the site who are going to argue against it.
    Get lots of page views.
    Raise advertising rates.
    Profit.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    Interesting how one of the facts omitted is that most Americans DON`T own any guns at all.
    @lauriloo: Another possible point I shall look up later (unless others beat me to it). It depends on if you`re talking about ALL Americans (including children) or all adults, or all who are eligible to legally own one.
    Those last two numbers are probably very close...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    whodat6484

    "ignoring the fact that handguns are used to commit murder WAY MORE than rifles."

    Would you not agree that MOST gun murder is a specific person killing a specific person for a specific reason?

    That doesn`t scare most people. It doesn`t scare me. I don`t do anything that would cause someone to want to kill me (f.uck another man`s wife, steal from my business partner, etc).

    The thing that scares people is indiscriminate mass murder and that is almost always a rifle. So of course people go after what scares them.
  26. Profile photo of turdburglar
    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    That doesn`t scare most people. It doesn`t scare me. I don`t do anything that would cause someone to want to kill me (f.uck another man`s wife, steal from my business partner, etc).

    The thing that scares people is indiscriminate mass murder and that is almost always a rifle. So of course people go after what scares them.


    Statistics would show your statement to be way, way, way, wrong. I completely see your point. But I don`t think it makes sense to legislate based on emotions over statistics.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    "So they argue that 90% of people own guns (all kind of guns) yet only "such a small percentage" are killed by rifles...

    No, Gallup poll says 1 out of 3 Americans personally owns a gun, 46% of men and 23% of women. 47% reports a gun in their home in general, mostly Republican households. The General Social Survey (GSS) says it`s more like 33% households own a gun(s).

    link

    I read here that 20% of Americans own 65% of the guns.

    So, American has a few, very scary people.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:24 pm
    Corydoras87-"I doubt that more than 90% of americans own a rifle"

    Well, seeing as only 45% own firearms, that``s safe bet.

    Corydoras87-"most only own handguns"

    In that you would be incorrect. The last number I can find are that MOST (44%) own both handguns and long guns, the NEXT MOST (36%) own Long guns only and the LEAST (20%) own handguns only.

    Now, granted `Long Guns` DOES include rifles & shotguns, but I feel pretty confident that the rifles outnumber the shotguns.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    "The thing that scares people is indiscriminate mass murder and that is almost always a rifle. So of course people go after what scares them."

    @HolyGod - Well, if that was true then I would understand going after rifles but that`s not the case. In the last 62 "mass shootings" where 5 or more people were killed semi-automatic handguns were used in 41 of those shootings, 12 shootings with a shotgun or hunting rifle, and 9 shootings with semi-auto "military style" rifles. So no, rifles aren`t almost always used.

    Top 10 Myths About Mass Shootings

    5 Common Misconceptions Abo
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    whodat6484

    "In the last 62 "mass shootings" where 5 or more people were killed semi-automatic handguns were used in 41 of those shootings"

    I used the word "indiscriminate". A man that kills his wife and 4 children or a rival drug dealer who goes to a distribution location and kills 6 workers would fall under your category of mass murder, but they certainly aren`t indiscriminate.

    I don`t have a stat to back up what I said, so I apologize. I should have said was "The thing that scares people is indiscriminate mass murder and that is almost always a rifle in most people`s mind."

    I mean if I decided I was going to go to a mall and kill as many people as possible I would certainly choose a rifle over a hand gun, wouldn`t you?
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    HG - I get your point about mass killers being scary, but does it make sense to legislate based on emotion over statistics?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    turdburgalar

    "does it make sense to legislate based on emotion over statistics?"

    I think people want to legislate based on what they can picture happening to them. I can read about a man shooting his wife and her lover or a drug dealer killing another drug dealer. I know in my head that most murders are those kinds of situations. However I don`t ever picture myself in those situations or views those as a risk to me.

    However I saw the dark knight opening night and have a son in 1st grade. So what situation do you think keeps me up at night? Which situations do you think I can picture myself in?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    "I mean if I decided I was going to go to a mall and kill as many people as possible I would certainly choose a rifle over a hand gun, wouldn`t you?"

    Like turdburglar said, you have to go off of statistics, not emotions, and certainly not throw in a hypothetical situation like you just did.

    I`m sure I know more than the average person about firearms because 8 solid years of my life revolved around weapons & tactics. Just like "there`s the right tool for the job" there`s the right weapon. To answer your question, in a close quarters situation, like running around inside a mall I`d take a handgun or a shotgun over a rifle any day. With the handgun you have more freedom to move, less time to swing from target to target, and it`s lighter so you can carry more ammo, which is what really counts. If I`m going to perch myself on a roof and start taking people out indiscriminately then I`ll take a rifle.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    whodat6484

    "you have to go off of statistics, not emotions"

    I`m with you. I get it. You are right of course.

    Sometimes it is just hard to align emotion with statistics. Statistically you are more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark. Which one are you more scared of?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    @HolyGod

    "Statistically you are more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark. Which one are you more scared of?"

    Agreed, and I try to remind myself of that kind of sh*t every day but it`s not easy. It`s human nature though, just like statistically you`re more likely to be killed in a car accident than a plane crash but there are a hell of a lot of people who drive every day that are too scared to fly.

    That`s why the news covers shootings the way they do and politicians say sh*t like they do. Like when Obama said, "I know I`ll hug my kids a little longer tonight" after the Sandy Hook shooting. It tugs at people`s heartstrings and then they start thinking irrationally. That kind of sh*t has to stop.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    @lauriloo: Nice links!

    These Charts Were linked by your link. It`s "pre-Newton" but shows that MOST Americans do NOT favor various forms of "gun bans".

    idk about your "Uncomfortable Numbers" link`s accuracy. Some of it is just "number mumbo jumbo" which sounds impressive but means... nothing.
    Some may have been true in the statistical years they provide, but since Obama`s election:
    - guns sales are UP
    - first time gun buyers are UP
    - Women make up the biggest part of "first time buyers".
    That`s over the past 5 years (give or take) and shows NO sign of slowing.

    I take this opportunity to point out that:
    "The Evil NRA" has apx 4 million members,
    There`s apx 100 million gun owners in the USA.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    just like statistically you`re more likely to be killed in a car accident than a plane crash...
    @WhoDat: This is true for overall numbers AND "miles traveled".
    BUT!
    If you count it by "trips taken" then the stats are completely reversed! Think about it: You`re "10X more likely to die in a car crash" but you take 100X MORE car rides than airplane rides... making airplanes 10X more "dangerous"... or cars 10X safer... :-)
    (The actual number`s more like 200X more often but you get the idea and I`m not looking it up...)
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 5:07 pm
    "You`re "10X more likely to die in a car crash" but you take 100X MORE car rides than airplane rides... making airplanes 10X more "dangerous"... or cars 10X safer..."

    I`m going to agree on that, sort of, only because I can`t find any statistics on this, but...

    What about commercial airline pilots and flight attendants? I`d like to know the numbers about whether they`re more likely to die in a car accident or a plane crash given the amount of time & miles traveled. I can`t seem to find anything about that anywhere, the only search results I get are long winded documents on aviation safety and there`s no way in hell I`m sifting through all that sh*t!
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    DFWBrysco Male 40-49
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    April 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    I am not going to debate facts or statistics like these because most likely, they are correct.

    However, caution is needed when throwing statistics like "1.5x, 2.5x, 5.5x" etc. around because everything is contextual - of course those other forms of homicide are more prevalent; there are simply more fists, blunt objects, knives, etc. available than guns.

    The "facts" of this document don`t nearly appear so impressive and benign when the variables are normalized and you use medians for each - suddenly guns, rifles, etc. are going to look a lot more dangerous than this "infographic" promotes.

    Just another wonderful example of how to use numbers to spin a cause....
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    PTPete Female 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    I`m a Democrat--I have guns & am a card carrying member of the ACLU. Not the NRA, though, those people are crazy. lol.
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    PTPete Female 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    Sorry, my point was that those things are not mutually exclusive & it is lazy to generalize so much.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 6:03 pm
    Whodat6484

    Statistics are difficult because generally they just take the number of people and divide it by the number of instances. They don`t take into account that every person can do things to affect their own statistics.

    So statistics may say that:
    I have a 1 in 167,000,000 chance of winning the lottery
    1 have a 1 in 250,000,000 chance of getting killed by a shark
    1 have a 1 in 90,000,000 chance of dying in a plane crash

    However if I never buy a lottery ticket, never go in the ocean, and never get on a plane my odds of all 3 are zero.

    General statistics say what the odds are that any person will get killed by a hand gun. However my odds of getting killed by a handgun are WAY less than the general statistic and a gang bangers odds are WAY higher.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    Talk all you want about blunt objects and knives, .. it`s the same with deaths related to cars versus airplanes. While the quantity is so much greater for cars, airplane deaths are so magnificently horrific, it spawns a phobia of flying, compared to the very, very few who are too scared to get into a car.
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    synaw Male 18-29
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    April 7, 2013 at 7:05 pm
    1.) we are 11th in gun homicide rates in the world, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (a deep hole has been dug already, how can i take the rest of this seriously?).
    2.) a democrat can understand these, but what a republican can`t understand is that blunt objects, fists and knives all have secondary uses. a gun does not.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    so 5kats do you think handguns should be included? would your argument change? i get the current stance; they see guns that were made for wartime use being sold to civilians, they see just how easy it is to turn them into their fully automatic counterparts, and they can see the possible horrible outcome it has. i understand that it "takes away your rights as Americans" to own whatever you want but when does it become a problem for others? the classic case i remember hearing from our law professor was this; "one house plays music so loud that the neighbors get irritated by it, so they call the cops. who wins? the house that plays the music because they have the freedom to play the music or the other house because it is going against their freedom to not have to hear it?" sorry its been a while since ive heard it, but thats the gist of it. there has to be some wiggle room because no matter what you do, someones freedoms will be taken in order protect others.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    What about commercial airline pilots and flight attendants?
    @WhoDat: It`s JUST for the "average of the population".
    In fact, pilots and crew are MUCH safer on their planes than in their cars! But the average person? There`s always some poor soul who gets killed on their very first flight... (It really skews the averages).

    @jops360: I`d still oppose it, but at least then the "gun grabbers" would be HONEST about it! They (BHO) claim they want "an open debate" but they lie about their goals and they lie about everything else too!
    "guns made for war" = bolt action rifles. ALL guns can be used in war, every one of them.
    "easy to turn into automatics" = illegal. It already is, NO new laws needed. It SHOULD BE illegal, NO ONE is saying otherwise.
    "horrible outcome" = the VAST majority of ALL killings in the USA is NOT DONE using automatic weapons. It`s a fact.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    @HolyGod - Well yeah, statistics aren`t a perfect representation of anything and they never will be but it`s better than just saying, "F*ck it, lets get rid of these guns because I don`t like how they look and some a$$hole just used one the other day to kill a bunch of people" which is EXACTLY what`s going on right now.

    The way I see it your average semi-auto handgun is more of a threat to the average person than a semi-auto rifle. For one, it`s pretty goddamn easy to stick a 9mm in you waistband and sneak up on people than it is with a rifle. At least with a rifle you can see them coming and get the f*ck out of the way before they start shooting.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    Also, I`d rather get hit by a .223 (5.56x45mm) coming out a rifle than a 9mm or .45 ACP at close range. At close range, depending on where it hits you, the .223 is moving so fast it will most likely go right through you before it has a chance to fragment, leaving a relatively clean wound. The 9mm & .45 ACP will put you on your A$$ and leave a big-a$$ hole at close range, that`s what they`re made to do.


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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    April 7, 2013 at 9:44 pm
    "So simple, even a Democrat can understand it!"

    Everybody knows you never go full retard, I mean full troll.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    April 7, 2013 at 11:32 pm
    Having looked at those factual world statistics, I am so glad to live in the UK, as no-one has any guns.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2013 at 2:14 am
    5kats - not many army guns are bolt action. they do not need the same type of accuracy and in most cases time is of the essence.
    of course its illegal. but does that doesn`t stop people from doing it.
    and what was the word i used before that, oh yeah, POSSIBLE. i am not claiming they are used all the time
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    April 8, 2013 at 4:58 am
    "So simple, even a Democrat can understand it!"

    Finally, the straight forward, factual, non-confrontational debate this issue needs
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    April 8, 2013 at 5:10 am
    Wow. These "facts" are extremely skewed.

    For instance:
    "In life and death situations civilians use guns to defend themselves more than 77% of the time"

    WHAT?!?!?!
    There are so damn many life and death situations that a gun could never help you out from. When is the last time you heard someone say "I was in this brutal car wreck the other day. Luckily I had my gun handy and was able to defend myself from that dashboard that was about to split my head!"?
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    April 8, 2013 at 7:04 am
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron`s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

    -C.S. Lewis-
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 7:14 am
    Everybody knows you never go full retard, I mean full troll.
    @markust: You gotta dangle some tasty bait to catch the big fish!

    @jops360: You said "built for" and from 1870 > 1950 the vast majority of "military weapons" around the world were bolt action rifles. Yes all sorts of other weapons were used too, but the average GI had a bolt action.

    In the Mumbai attack a couple of years ago? The Indian Police were using bolt action rifles built in 1910... they actually work just fine!
    It`s true that now MOST armies use an M-16, SKS or AK-47 (or the equivalent thereof) but my point is that any and all guns, knives, swords & etc can and still are used in "the military".
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
    273 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
    So guns in the US kill less than in some of the most dangerous 3rd world countries.. And rifles are involved in fewer homicides than knives...

    I`m glad someone took the time to make that infographic about those great facts "we may not have heard on NBC, CNN or ABC news" I`m just not sure if it`s serious or a joke about pro guns republicans.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 11:52 am
    The thing that scares people is indiscriminate mass murder and that is almost always a rifle. So of course people go after what scares them.

    You have a betyer chance of being hit by lightning then being in a mass shooting. Perhaps you should legislate for lightning control it`s pertty scary stuff!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 11:56 am
    When laws are made by kneejerk reactions, emotions and a dislike of inatimte object YOU WILL F**K US ALL!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    Lets pass a law banning "Oxygen Di-Hydride" it kills children!!!

    Dihydrogen Monoxide! It`s everywhere!
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    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    @holygod
    you talk of bias and then use the statistic of vending machines and sharks.

    If you want, I`ll try to do the calculation of people who are killed by vending machines who have access to vending machines, and people who are killed by sharks who have access to sharks (when I say try, I have no doubt of my ability to do it and explain it, just the availability of the data).

    I think you`ll agree that it is a pointless calculation.

    Given the proliferation of guns in the US, everyone has access to both long guns and pistols, apart from criminals and mentally ill people who are legally disbarred from having them.

    So further legislation is unnecessary as criminals and mentally ill people are legally not allowed guns already.

    Also, you might be able to help me here, why is it OK to say "criminals" and not "people with a temporary criminally different ability" when it is dehumanizing to say "the mentally ill"?
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    12chars Male 18-29
    906 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    5Cats, hi. I am a very real person. Just letting you know.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    April 8, 2013 at 9:33 pm
    "So further legislation is unnecessary as criminals and mentally ill people are legally not allowed guns already."

    Unless they get the gun from a gun show, Craigslist, a friend or relative, a shady gun store owner (since the NRA made sure the store owners don`t have to keep accurate inventory), online, etc.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    April 9, 2013 at 7:05 am
    @lauriloo: And how would "more laws" prevent any of those things? Or other already illegal methods?
    Canada TRIED to register JUST "long rifles" (pistols already ARE registered since 1936) and it was a multi-billion dollar FAIL.

    You want the USA to throw a TRILLION DOLLARS down the toilet to "feel good"? Use your own money...

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