How To Kill A Human Being

Submitted by: LordJim 4 years ago in Science

Is humane execution possible?
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Female 1,467
Edison you the man!
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Male 10,338
"Depending on what state you live in, the wrongful conviction rate is between 13% & 25%."

You`re gonna hafta cite that.
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Male 10,855
[quote]I think you`ve just nudged me more toward the "against" side of the fence.[/quote]

Glad to hear. Part of the libertarian ethos is about restraining government power. It`s important in this case as it tends to harm people it`s not even supposed to target.
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Male 6,227
@Gerry: Good points. ~pondering~

I`m kind of stuck on what Madduck alluded to earlier though: If, say, my son or daughter were brutally murdered by a serial killer, I`d have a hard time not feeling further victimized every time I saw that person leering from the TV screen in his latest interview or parole hearing, a la Charles Manson.
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Male 39,902

I`m against the death penalty for 2 reasons.

A: By outlawing it, we as a society have said that deliberately killing a person is wrong. As punishment for this we will kill you. Huh? Hows that?

& 2: Error ratio. Depending on what state you live in, the wrongful conviction rate is between 13% & 25%. That is intolerable. And you cannot apologize after you`ve killed the wrong man, which has happened way too many times. Until we have a reliably accurate court system the death penalty shouldn`t be considered.
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Male 6,227
@Cajun: You make a very good point about appeals. I think you`ve just nudged me more toward the "against" side of the fence.
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Male 10,855
Thing is Squirlz the cases you reference tend to be very high profile. Usually that puts pressure on government, cops and prosecutors in particular, to find and convict someone respectively. That`s even if the person they find is actually innocent of the crime. If there`s a mistake (procedural or otherwise) then the defendant only has a small window to appeal. If it were life instead then it`s as long as they have to live. The latter encourage the prosecutor to be a lot more careful.
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Male 7,123
Personally I oppose the death penalty simply because there have been too many innocent people convicted of capital crimes, many of them subseuently executed. I might be next.

And if it is argued that only absolutely certain guilt should carry the death penalty then you are creating a third verdict; not guilty, guilty and really, really guilty. The Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 would probably have hanged long before their innocence was established, the court had decided they were really, really guilty.

There are other valid objections, of course, but the revenge aspect doesn`t bother me. If somebody deliberately harmed my family and I was in a position to take revenge I would have no moral or ethical issues at all. I`m not good at forgiveness.

But the process of the state deciding to kill is a different matter. How much confidence do you have in your police, justice system and government bureaucracy? Is it 100%?
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Female 8,046
difficult subject. I started out by thinking that if someone I loved was butchered, and then the perpetrator caught, would I feel better if they were killed? That I do not know- I hope I never will, but I suspect it would not actually help- and the longer the judicial process went on for I suspect it would help less. There are a worrying number of death row prisoners being found innocent as well- and once you factor that in, I can see no benefit at all.
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Male 6,227
@Madduck: I agree with your points, which is why I describe myself as being "on the fence" regarding the issue. Perhaps I should describe myself as "against" the way it`s being applied now but could be "for" if it were regulated differently? Still thinking my way through this, so I value your thoughts.
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Female 8,046
Thing is Squrlz- I am not sure if execution is used to `close a chapter`- to often the poor and badly represented get a death sentence as frequently as the real horrors. To close a chapter we need to stop publicising their names- just as being dome now with the two lads from Boston. Lock them up to either live safely away from society, or rehabilitate them, but do not make them into celebrities- forget them.
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Male 6,227
I`m on the fence regarding the death penalty. One thing I`m sure of though: If the state is allowed to execute capital punishment, it should be done so as humanely as possible. Per the narrator`s position, state execution should resemble murder in no way, shape, or form. For me, the death penalty isn`t about revenge: It`s about closing the final chapter of an obscenely twisted plot that can in no way be salvaged and that is a blot of shame for humanity--like, for example, the life of Jeffrey Dahmer.

The U.S. winds up looking pretty bad at the end of this video because the investigator DOES manage to find an execution method that is painless, reliable, inexpensive, and humane. But the U.S. authority angrily rejects it because it doesn`t cause suffering (I kid you not).
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Female 595
"My basic attitude is: So they suffer a little pain. Who cares?"
That man just summed it up for me.
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Male 1,016
I found it funny near the end of the video when he is summing up his thoughts ...... Can science offer a painless way of killing people? ..and I think it does !If the state is going to kill people it has an obligation of doing it in a way that least resembles murder.... While driving by The Golden Arches ....Government mass killing. Slow euphoric yummy murder!
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Female 8,046
hmm, okay, killing people is not punishment, or prevention, but revenge. Does it improve our society if we take revenge in this manner? i suggest not- I am sure studies could be done to find out- but I doubt it highly. I cannot think of a reason other than revenge to enact the death penalty- and if that revenge achieves nothing then surely rehabilitation and restitution would serve us better?
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Male 10,855
[quote]Those of us who oppose the death penalty believe it`s barbaric because it makes us no better than the criminal.

And also because of the countless number of innocent people who have been put to death.[/quote]

On top of which it`s expensive as fu<k. If your concern is that they`re an imminent threat to society put them away indefinitely. Putting them on death row is psychological torture.
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Male 10,855
[quote]If you kill someone on purpose and you are not in the act of defending yourself, then you do not deserve humane treatment. They were not humane to their victims, therefore I dont care if they suffer. [/quote]

I invite everyone who shares this sentiment to review the 8th amendment to the US constitution.
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Male 4,745
I would suggest that the majority of murders happen quickly and out of anger. Most murders are not like the "psychopath" murders you see in movies. There is a huge difference.
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Male 4,745
The "Kill em` and let God sort it out" ideology doesn`t work if God is a fabrication and there is no afterlife. I think that you will find it`s mainly the Religious folks who are okay with the death penalty. My question would be, if you knew you were winking a person out of existence, would you still be okay with it? If a person made a bad choice or acted out of anger and did something REALLY stupid, do they deserve to not exist?
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Male 3,445
"To those that think executing someone is barbaric, you do realize this is a reaction to something they have done, right?"

Those of us who oppose the death penalty believe it`s barbaric because it makes us no better than the criminal.

And also because of the countless number of innocent people who have been put to death.
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Male 15,261
Doesn`t North Korea use mortars?
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Male 1,983
Only premeditated murder should be punished by capital death and then, the execution should be carried out in that same manner that the murder was accomplished.

Quid Pro Quo

And if you want it to be a deterrent, then the executions should be carried out in public in broad daylight, not in a basement in the dark.
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Female 3,001
to quote Gandalf:
"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends"

yeahhhh, LotR ftw!
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Male 5,872
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Male 390
Great documentary. Thanks for sharing.
Human kind should have long ago abandoned this barbaric practice.
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Male 10,338
"Using a painless method of execution is inhumane, to the victim of the crime."

Never thought about it this way, but it makes so much sense.

I was in favor of execution before. I am really in favor of it now.
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Female 6,381
No matter how heinous a person`s crime might be, the worst penalty they can receive in many states and all Canada is life in prison. Presently, the cost of each year spent uselessly sitting behind bars is over $40,000 per inmate. That`s more than a million bucks for 25 years in jail - if the cost never increased. And to what end? Imagine the benefits to society if the staggering costs of imprisoning people who would, in the past, be executed could be turned toward health programs.
That`s why I think there`s a place for capital punishment. Just do it right, with people who know what they`re doing.
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Male 1,920
[quote]Why did they stop using the guillotine?[/quote]

Because of the risk of infection.
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Male 881
High explosives. I assure you, there is no pain if the entire body is turned into a pink mist in a fraction of a second. Also, there is no worries about a botched attempt. Problem solved.

Having said that, I would much rather the United States join the rest of the civilized world and ban executions.
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Male 2,147
It`s also important to wonder how many people have been put to death on fabricated evidence. Death isn`t humane, never will be. Regardless of the crime, society - if she would wish a more peaceful existence - has to set an example of hope (for a better world).
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Male 2,147
Eye for an eye was supposedly ended with the new testament. Read your scripture. Unless you`re Islamic or Jewish (neither premise figures in basic US law) execution is contrary to christian belief.
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Male 2,147
Statistics show that the death penalty is not a deterrent. As a "christian" nation, is incarceration the humanitarian response to evil or does revenge overpower forgiveness?
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Male 61
The guillotine was actually a pretty gruesome and nerve-wracking way to die. The blade wouldn`t always be sharp enough to cut through the spine, or even break skin sometimes. It would take multiple tries to cut through the neck, much like using an axe to behead someone.
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Male 676
To those that think executing someone is barbaric, you do realize this is a reaction to something they have done, right? They wouldn`t be executed if they hadn`t ended a life themselves. I ask you, where was the sympathy for the victim of the death row inmate? I really do think some people are more empathetic to a killer, than a victim.
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Male 676
Most of these people murdered someone to receive a death sentence. I would ask them how "humanely" they killed their victim(s). I would be willing to bet their victims were not afforded the luxury of being unconscious before dying. Execute the proven guilty in a speedy manner too. This should be done to those that either were caught in the act of killing, or are on video or have numerous credible witnesses to provide "no doubt" evidence. I don`t think the death penalty should be carried out on those guilty through circumstancial evidence.
The idea to "kill" someone in a "humane" manner, is ironic in itself. There is nothing hummane about ending the life of another, no matter how it`s done.
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Male 904
Being an atheist who doesn`t believe in the afterlife I`m not sure that being dead is a great punishment for being an ashole in life.
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Female 2,761
POOR RABBIT!!
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Female 2,761
poor elephant!!!!
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Male 4,891

I agree, bring back the guillotine. Quick, easy and cheap.

I can get on board with the idea of a humane execution. The real torture for the criminal is setting in jail counting down the days until you die. Everyone dies but we have no idea when or how it will happen, which helps us not dwell on it too much. A criminal knows exactly what is going to happen and there is nothing they can do. How I see things...that is the real punishment and reason for the death penalty.
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Male 333
@Gerry1of1....o.k lets see how it stacks up against Portillo`s criteria of a perfect execution.

1. requires no medical expertise....nope just a guy who can pull a rope.

2. Quick, painless death guaranteed...As instant as you`re going to get.(although it was thought there might be consciousness for a few moments after beheading but never proven)

3. Not gory...Oh dear. But i wonder if the blade could be heated to cauterize the wound

4. No co-operation required from prisoner...apart from getting into the contraption and putting their neck under a very large blade, nope

Conclusion: I dunno why they stopped using it either Gerry.
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Male 71
if your goverment are alowed to kill you when they think you did something wrong, shouldn´t the same rules apply to for you.
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Male 3,445
I am strongly opposed to the death penalty, but why would someone who is for the death penalty care if it`s humane or not? If the thought of making a human being suffer is so disagreeable to you, why don`t you just stop being pro-capital punishment? And conversely, if the point of the death penalty is to punish, what good does it do to anesthetize it so much?
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Male 3,908
"Because some folks aren`t animals. Whether it`s the animals on death row or the animals like you who don`t mind stooping to their level of inhumanity."

Hahaha, don`t give me all peace, love & hippy bullsh*t! The real "animals" are the people that prey on others robbing, raping & murdering. Those people don`t deserve a peaceful & humane dead, they sure as hell didn`t treat their victims humanely.
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Male 39,902

Why did they stop using the guillotine?
It`s fast.

I`m not in favor of the death penalty, but the Chop was a quick way, and more certain of quick death than hanging.
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Female 3,001
Well I feel physically sick. Execution is just something I will never be okay with.
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Male 364
"But the major problem with lethal injection, as testified by Carol Vieler (sp?) in the video, is the first chemical only knocks the victim out for a short amount of time, not long enough for the other two drugs to induce death. so after the first drug runs out the victim suffers the horrendous effects of the paralyzing and cardiac drugs for several minutes following it"

So what? They wont remember it? Added to that, the fact that it is a nicer death than being raped for 5 hours before having your throat slit. They should have had a little more compassion from themselves in order to gain compassion for themselves.
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Male 333
"With lethal injection, the worst pain you feel is the needle stick." - Oldollie

But the major problem with lethal injection, as testified by Carol Vieler (sp?) in the video, is the first chemical only knocks the victim out for a short amount of time, not long enough for the other two drugs to induce death. so after the first drug runs out the victim suffers the horrendous effects of the paralyzing and cardiac drugs for several minutes following it.
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Male 3,208
strap a 10 cent paper dust mask on `em, and start a diethyl ether drip on it- stuff used to kill surgical patients in the late 19th and early 20th century- as well as doctors that used it for recreation.
Cheap, low tech and a peaceful way to go.
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Male 1,239
The whole point of the word is that we are human and should strive to be above our animalistic urges.
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Male 15,832
With lethal injection, the worst pain you feel is the needle stick. If that`s too much, I suppose they could put you under with ether first.
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Male 1,239
[quote]As far as executions go, who gives a f*ck if it`s humane or if they suffer? They`re being executed for a reason.[/quote]

Because some folks aren`t animals. Whether it`s the animals on death row or the animals like you who don`t mind stooping to their level of inhumanity.
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Male 363
If you kill someone on purpose and you are not in the act of defending yourself, then you do not deserve humane treatment. They were not humane to their victims, therefore I dont care if they suffer.
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Male 3,908
As far as executions go, who gives a f*ck if it`s humane or if they suffer? They`re being executed for a reason.
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Male 7,123
Link: How To Kill A Human Being [Rate Link] - Is humane execution possible?
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