Fact Check: Violent Crime Rates [Pic]

Submitted by: hfnv 3 years ago

If you beat up Statistics enough, they"ll confess to anything.
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Male 884
I mean, the US has lower rape stats than most of Western Europe and those below the US have very low numbers, what do you think is making them keep it in their pants?
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Male 884
Oh, look what happens when women have guns.

http://tinyurl.com/yaozgb

I guess rape isn`t a big issue for those of you who want to grab them.

Given that all these shooting sprees are committed by men, why should any new legislation apply to women?
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Male 36,388
@DrProfessor: Gee I was grumpy last night, sorry for being rude. I have to stop taking all those "grumpy pills" eh?

You link costs $36 dollars ;-) But I get the idea.

I think drugs and BOOZE are the biggest reasons people are poor, and the main motivator for crimes. Rates of substance abuse vary from group to group, and pretending "group X" doesn`t have a problem isn`t going to help them.

There have been "ethnic" gangs since the dawn of time, it`s got nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with "lifestyle choices".
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Male 3,894
regardless* that is
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Male 3,894
And here`s a scholarly article

I might only be able to access it because my college has an account with the JSTOR website, but essentially the paper examines the question of whther similar communities produce similar crime rates refardless of race. It`s a pretty thick read, but it backs up what I`ve been saying.
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Male 3,894
It`s not racist to state that it happens, it`s racist to assume that their race is naturally violent. The "why" is the most important part, because once you know why you can work on solving it.
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Male 170
Let`s see. There`s lies, damned lies...and anyone remember the rest!
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Male 406
OMG forcing your cat to do your dirty work.!
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Male 36,388
@DrProfessor: *sigh*
I consider you one of the "good liberals" here at IAB, you usually make good sense and have intelligent things to say, even if I disagree with them!
Here? Nope.

FBI Database Page

It`s a fact: Blacks kill about as many times as Whites do.
BUT!
They make up only 17% of the USA`s population!
Is it "racist" to say this? NOPE! It`s a fact, Jack!
I do not know or care WHY they kill so often. The ONLY stat that counts is: they DO!

Thus all that CRAP about "poverty" and "Slavery" (Really dude? O`Really?) is 100% MOOT! It doesn`t MATTER!

You have stats that show "poor whites" kill/crime as much as "Drug Gang Blacks"? Show it!
Either that or LEARN how to comprehend statistical analys
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Male 3,894
for reasons not independent of race. Quite literally, I suggested an alternative wherein the differences in crime rate have to do with the social and economic status of the minority in question, resulting from their history of subjugation in our society, and you said that it is not, and that white people put in the same conditions would behave better.

That leaves nothing other than the assumption that race determines your personality.
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Male 3,894
@5cats
-Empty assertion. Where`s your proof. The economic disadvantage and social prejudice involved with coming from a subjugated part of the population are completely negligible?
-Anecdotal. Plus, they were white.
-Again, white. It`s different. It`s not as recent or as intense. Gypsies were never enslaved in the US. Nobody can claim that status except for Blacks and Native Americans. The groups you mentioned were not kidnapped and brought over en masse in the hulls of ships.

Ugh. Nice bit of rhetoric there, but you need to face the realities of life. Sure, poverty doesn`t directly and unfailingly cause crime. However it creates an environment full of desperate, stressed, under-educated people. Not everyone is going to respond to that in a dignified manner. That`s just a sad fact.

How are you not "blaming race"? How am I the one being immature? You stated in no uncertain terms that you believe black people are more prone to crime for reasons not
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Male 3,472
5Cats is one of the most intelligent people on the site.
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Male 36,388
[quote]White people in the same setting are just as violent.[/quote]
No, they are not.

[quote]is because their ancestors were SLAVES,[/quote]
That is bullshiite.

[quote]and upon (gaining) freedom had NOTHING to start with![/quote]
The majority of my ancestors had -literally- the shirt on their back when they came "over the ocean". We did OK.

[quote]the process of climbing back up has been hindered by racism,[/quote]
As were many of my ancestors: Germans, Gypsies, Greeks, Mennonites & etc. EVERY ethnic group has been or is currently discriminated against.

What "causes" violence is NOT "poverty" ffs! It`s GREED!
Drugs are the #2 "cause": the "War On Drugs" is to blame, exactly like "prohibition" fueled the "Mafia Gangs" of Al Capone and 100 others.

I`m NOT "blaming race" at all, grow up dude!
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Male 3,894
Jesus Christ 5cats, are you really going to go and blame this on race?

It has nothing to do with `race` or `racial culture.` It`s a simple matter of history and socio-economics. It`s the fact that they`re in poor, urban areas rather than their race. White people in the same setting are just as violent. The reason that poor urban areas have the highest concentrations of the black population is because their ancestors were SLAVES, and upon freedom had NOTHING to start with! Then the process of climbing back up has been hindered by racism, prolonging it.

God damn, dude.
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Male 36,388
If you look at who`s actually killing whom in the USA? It`s not all that different a rate than Europe for MOST Americans:



Race-based gangs in huge cities are responsible for MOST murders in the USA. Black on Black murder is the same number (apx) despite being 1/4 of the size!

And this chart shows: The more "gun laws" you have? The higher the murder rate... for Blacks anyhow.

"America" is a really big place, all sorts of people living in very different ways...
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Male 338
wow...you guys honestly didn`t get this?

@sparki1980, good to see some signs of life out there
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Male 329
WizardofCOR: "Chimmeychang nails down one of several pertinent points. Even attempting to compare stats from different countries is an epic fail"

chimmeychang: "the first statement lists a statistic for murder, the second ... violent crimes"

I got stuck on the same thing as chimmey for a min, then I decided to read the entire thing. It actually is well done.

The 1st part (where chimmey and myself at first got stuck) of the picture is showing you 2 facts that both sides of the gun debate have used. They are facts, that (a) US homicide rate is 4x UK homicide rate, common argument from antigun and (b) UK has more "violent crime" incidents than the US, common argument from progun side.

Then the artist attempts to figure out how these 2 counter arguments can come from the same data. (spoiler, UK has a broader def of "violent crime"). Then the artist grabs the UK numbers for crimes that equal the US definition o
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Male 155
Poorly made, and wrong on multiple levels. Chimmeychang nails down one of several pertinent points. Even attempting to compare stats from different countries is an epic fail, due to a variety of other variables; local/national economics, forms/systems of law & government, and cultural/societal factors.
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Male 2,357
@tedgp

[quote]When will you stupid americans learn that the UK class a whole host of crimes as "violent", while the US consider them minor.[/quote]
My friend, I think you`ve missed the entire point of this post.
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Male 395
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Male 684
the first clue is the first statement lists a statistic for murder, the second is not murder but violent crimes. Its hard to take someone seriously with such an obvious equivocation is made.
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Male 37,888

9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.
Statistics don`t lie.
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Male 338
Yeah, but you can use facts to prove anything even remotely true
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Male 42
Link: Fact Check: Violent Crime Rates [Pic] [Rate Link] - If you beat up Statistics enough, they`ll confess to anything.
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