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Date: 04/21/13 12:30 PM

108 Responses to Actual 4th Grade Science Test From SC School [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8044 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    Link: Actual 4th Grade Science Test From SC School - He got an A+ in bullsh*t.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7555 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    I do not care what sort of school this is, how it is funded or in fact about anything much except that this should be illegal. teaching children provably false information is revolting, absurd and should be stopped.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    Doubtless the child will grow up to support a massive pair of bushy eyebrows, and shout a lot of spite about atheists.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    Please tell us this is fake. Please. :-(
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    This is profoundly disturbing. It`s one thing to teach articles of faith beside scientific facts; another to omit facts contrary to faith. But to teach outright falsehoods like this as a SUBSTITUTE for science? That takes a whole other level of ignorance.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    April 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    This is why our education system is so f*cked.
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    SminkyPinky Female 30-39
    233 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    what the absolute fuq?!
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    I don`t know what`s worse tbh... people that believe every single word of the bible, or those that cherry pick the bits they believe actually happened and which bits (the bits that science has since proved wrong) they now say were always *meant* to just be stories and guidelines. Both are moronic, but the later kind of person is a tad worse in my view.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
    2095 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    OMG, the end of civilization
  10. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    Also: I`ve got to believe this isn`t from a public school but from one of those "Christian Academies."
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    mar95789 Female 18-29
    193 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    You guys all know this is not from public school, right?
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    19. What are you going to do when someone asks you a though provoking question?

    Recite bullpoo, because that`s all I`ve been taught to do.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    Public school or not, that doesn`t make this right in ANY way.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36651 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I`m okay with believing in any religion you want, but when you just flat deny science with this earth-is-flat mentality you look really, really stupid.
  15. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    ~places paws on Bataleon27~

    OUT, DEMON! I COMMAND YOU TO LEAVE THE BODY OF THIS SINNER!
  16. Profile photo of Fwoggie2
    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    April 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    Of course it`s fake, the writing adheres too close to the line.
  17. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Can I get an "AMEN!" people?

  18. Profile photo of Tiredofnicks
    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    At first I was just going to go "meh, another proof that some people suck" and pass, but I found that really can`t, I really, really can`t. Freedom of belief is one thing, actively teaching things that are certifiable WRONG is something completely different. Few things make me angry, but this bloody well does.
  19. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    HERE`S a link to one of the dozens of South Carolina Christian academies. Academies of this type are pretty much everywhere in the southeastern USA.
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    Grade Four Arithmetic Quiz:. 10/10 A+

    1. If you had a dozen apples and 40 cookies to feed 500 people at an outdoor sermon, how much would each get to eat?
    Answer: ALL THEY WANTED!!

    1. What is: (24 x 3) + 14?
    Answer: WHATEVER GOD WANTS IT TO BE!!

    etc.
  21. Profile photo of TheOrigin
    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Shouldn`t this be outlawed?
    This is not education. This is mere brainwashing.
  22. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    @TheOrigin: I share your dismay. It *is* brainwashing.

    The situation has arisen over here because the U.S. culture is *profoundly* distrustful of centralized government (the anti-gun-control fervor is a reflection of that), so there are no national education standards. Instead, each state gets to determine what constitutes a legitimate education for a child. In states where there is a strong fundamentalist Christian presence (notably, the southeastern states), Christian academies are given a lot of leeway to teach nonsense like this.

    It`s child abuse, in my opinion, and should be stopped.
  23. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    Ughh...If people are happy believing this nonsense, then all I say is "bless your heart".

    It`s the price we pay for freedom of thought and speech.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    Jesus Christ Squirlz, that link is shocking. Quote from their science curriculum at that school (one of many of its kind):

    "Students will examine God’s handiwork in the heavens. Students will also see the perfection of God’s design in the universe, including space, the atmosphere, the lithosphere, and the hydrosphere. Students will proclaim God’s creation through the study of the physical universe to affirm the young-earth creationary view of the earth’s history and to reject uniformitarian/evolutionary models through the study of scientific philosophy."

    F*ck me.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 21, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    Well, they`re certainly turning out young people who will be well equipped to deal with the competitive 21st century.

    I`ve heard the 20th century referred to as the American century. Please, get your science education sorted or we are looking at somebody else`s century and for all America`s flaws the options are not attractive.
  26. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    @Davymid: Wow. I didn`t know they had their own name for their special brand of science: "the Young-Earth Creationary view." ~facepaw~
  27. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    @LordJim: I wish every American could read your comment. Supportive, wise, and sobering; I appreciate it. (Zero irony there: I`m moved by what you wrote.)

    Yes, I really hope we get our act together.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    Sadly, until we get Republicans completely out of power in States and Federally (or at the Republican "base" to quit having any sway with the party), this BS will continue As others have said, and as is obvious by this link, it`s all entirely based in willful ignorance informed by faith in a vengeful God who doesn`t care for liberals, gays, reasonable gun safety, blacks, immigrants or science (not necessarily in that order). :-(
  29. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    Okay, I agree this is just superstitious bull$#!+, but can anyone here explain to me how it affects your life if someone else believes it?
  30. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    @OldOllie: A democracy`s strength relies upon an educated citizenry. That`s one of the reasons that Jefferson considered his establishment of the University of Virginia (which I attended for grad school) as one of his greatest achievements, more important than his presidency (which, incidentally, doubled the size of the United States via the Louisiana Purchase).

    Or in other words: These ill-taught students are going to eventually find their way into the voting booth.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    this feels fake to me... and if its not, well that`s some messed up shizz
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    merica!!!
  33. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    These ill-taught students are going to eventually find their way into the voting booth.

    That`s unlikely a HUGE portion of the population by and large doesn`t vote. If anything their main impetus for voting would be to protect their own freedom of thought.
    On the other hand 80% of Turks believe in creationism and last anyone checked that country is still around.
  34. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    @Cajun247: Let me see if I understand you correctly. You think that an educated citizenry in a democracy isn`t especially important? And think that as long as the United States can keep up with *Turkey*, we`re doing fine?

    Note: NOTHING in the above is, or is intended to be, a reductio ad absurdum. They are honest queries based on exactly what you stated.
  35. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    You think that an educated citizenry in a democracy isn`t especially important?

    I consider personal liberty most important over all else. No one`s rights, including the right to teach nonsense, should be subject to the whims of democracy.

    And think that as long as the United States can keep up with *Turkey*, we`re doing fine?

    I`m saying that widespread miseducation isn`t necessarily going to bring about the downfall of government or society.
  36. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    S4S, you didn`t answer the question. All you did is rant against some ill-defined generality.

    Let me be more specific. How is it that someone who believes in a fairy tale about things that happened thousands of years ago is somehow more threatening to the fabric of our society than 90% of the students from unionized liberal-run inner-city public schools graduating without even being able to read at a 3rd-grade level or do any math at all? They, too, grow up and vote, but I guess because they all vote Democrat, it`s all good.
  37. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    @OldOllie: If your argument is, "Lots of students are graduating from public high schools without being able to read, so how is this any worse?", then I`d direct you to the "Two Wrongs Don`t Make a Right" entry on 5Cats`s "Logical Fallacies" poster.

    Both are horrible. I`d never argue otherwise.
  38. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    @Cajun247: Thanks for the clarifications.

    Regarding your statement, "I consider personal liberty most important over all else," you might want to rethink that. Personal liberty does NOT trump everything else, including the responsibility of an adult to raise a child responsibly. If, for example, you believe that prayer is the only appropriate response to illness, bully for you--but the local D.A. will almost certainly prosecute you if you don`t take your child to a doctor when his appendix ruptures.
  39. Profile photo of Geogypsy
    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:17 pm
    No...no, I don`t believe this.
    I am going to continue living in ignorance and pretend that I never saw this.
    It`s simply too much for my conscious mind to assimilate.
  40. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    Personal liberty does NOT trump everything else, including the responsibility of an adult to raise a child responsibly.

    There are many people who grow up believing fairy tales as fact. Who are otherwise happy, productive, and tax paying citizens. Democracy promulgating conformity is a recipe for civil strife.

    That is a lesson from Jim Crowe laws, gay rights movement, and the ongoing evolution-creationism clash.

    you believe that prayer is the only appropriate response to illness

    Then I suppose you consider teaching children fantasy as fact as mental abuse. I must respectfully disagree.
  41. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    Both are horrible. I`d never argue otherwise.
    That`s just it. You`ve NEVER had anything to say about how liberals have completely destroyed the public school system wherever they`ve been in charge.

    If I`m wrong about this, prove it. Every post you`ve ever made here is still available. Post a link.
  42. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    Squrlz4Sale-"the U.S. culture is *profoundly* distrustful of centralized government"

    Which is not all that unusual for a country that was founded on the idea of getting out from under a centralized, overbearing and unjust government.

    Add to that the fact that governments in general, and this government in particular, have demonstrated repeatedly that they are not trustworthy.

    Squrlz4Sale-"(the anti-gun-control fervor is a reflection of that)"

    Or it could people fighting to keep their rights from being taken away.

    SmagBoy1-"reasonable gun safety"

    The problem is that SOME people think that `reasonable` is total confiscation.


    Squrlz4Sale-"A democracy`s strength relies upon an educated citizenry."

    And the Democratic Party`s strength relies on exactly that opposite. There`s even for a term for it now, "low information voter."
  43. Profile photo of puppies04
    puppies04 Male 18-29
    686 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    What was that???

    Jesus died for your sins???

    Were you there?
  44. Profile photo of TheOrigin
    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    @Squrlz: Well to be honest I can see both positive sides and negative sides to decentralized government. This is a prime case of the negative part. I completely agree on that abuse part.

    @Cajun: Would you mind providing me with the source for your 80% claim? On a side note, with all due respect Turkey is a cesspool that should not be in the EU.

    Plus, (this is directed at OldOllie as well) this is not education. This is indoctrination. Brainwashing. Raising youths this way and perpetuating the denial of science is just malformed and sick. Substituting facts with belief has nothing to do with personal liberties! Your personal liberties are just that, personal liberties. You are entitled to your opinion and its expression, but also to potential consequences of your deeds. What you are not entitled to is forcing your opinions on anyone else, especially when proven as falsehood.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    This is so fake it hurts. Clearly thrown together in Word, filled out, "graded" with a red pen and decked out with a sticker.

    Somebody trolled the internet again.
  46. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    There`s even for a term for it now, "low information voter."

    I was thinking "rational ignorance", but I suppose either works.
  47. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    @Cajun247: "Democracy promulgating conformity is a recipe for civil strife."

    Friend, it would be easier to have a discussion if you didn`t think in terms of slogans.

    Honestly, think what you`re now arguing: You believe that teaching basic science is "promulgating conformity"? How exactly is teaching the fact that dinosaurs predated man by millions of years "a recipe for civil strife"?

    I`ll help you out here, since you`ve painted yourself into a corner with your slogans. This is what`s at issue: To what extent is NOT teaching a child basic science seriously harmful to the child? At what point, if any, should the government intercede? THAT is what we`re disagreeing about.

    I feel the brainwashing evidenced by this graded test is harmful enough that it should be stopped by federal or state law; you do not.

    I think we can respectfully disagree on this. Deal? ~extends paw for shake~
  48. Profile photo of TheOrigin
    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    Well it seems to me as if an educated populace is rather unwanted. Educated populace capable of critical thinking, one that is not easily swayed or tricked.
  49. Profile photo of Dad4Life
    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    I`m calling BS.
  50. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    [quote">Would you mind providing me with the source for your 80% claim?[/quote">

    This wikipedia article cites this study. Of course it may be more accurate to say "78% of Turks do not agree that Darwin`s theory is true".

    [quote">Raising youths this way and perpetuating the denial of science is just malformed and sick. Substituting facts with belief has nothing to do with personal liberties! Your personal liberties are just that, personal liberties.[/quote">

    They`re free to seek the truth by visiting a local library or even bypassing parental controls on the home computer.
  51. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    @OldOllie: Oh, for heaven`s sake, Ollie. I have not posted a comment about how "liberals have completely destroyed the public school system" (newsflash: Liberals CREATED the public school system) because that is not the topic of this thread.

    Take a deep breath, please, and read the following calmly:

    I like you. You might be shocked to hear it, but I`m one of your biggest supporters on here. You`re funny and I think your knowledge of Newtonian physics borders on genius. You are intensely partisan, however, and it makes it difficult to have any kind of discussion with you because it seems you can`t type as much as three sentences together without falling into a rant about how everything evil in the world is the fault of liberals. Any possibility you can take it down a notch?
  52. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    Both are horrible. I`d never argue otherwise.
    That`s just it. You`ve NEVER had anything to say about how liberals have completely destroyed the public school system wherever they`ve been in charge.

    If I`m wrong about this, prove it. Every post you`ve ever made here is still available. Post a link.
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    godthaab Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    This is not fake! He probably comes from the Bible Belt in the States! Get real folks! They have a museum there (cost:$25 million) that says that dinosaurs and men lived at the same time!
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    pfkdxius Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    I don`t want to live on this planet anymore.
  55. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    How exactly is teaching the fact that dinosaurs predated man by millions of years "a recipe for civil strife"?

    First, you imply that people can readily accept the truth, or at least certain truths, yet within the same comment support using force when some people don`t. The fact is if it weren`t an issue we wouldn`t see the huge controversy like we do today.

    in terms of slogans

    Like what?
  56. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    ~extends paw for shake~

    Deal
  57. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    @Cajun247: I have never seen a discussion of this type on I-A-B result in anyone changing his or her mind. Ergo, once the point of contention is clear, the parties either agree to disagree or the discussion degrades into an exchange of insults.

    I believe I`ve stated the issue clearly. I feel the brainwashing evidenced by this graded test is harmful enough that it should be stopped by federal or state law; you do not.

    So again: I think we can respectfully disagree on this. Deal? ~extends paw for shake~

    Don`t leave me hanging.
  58. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    @Cajun: There we go. Thanks! =^.^=

    Have to head out for an overdue run. Bye, all!
  59. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 21, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    @S4S Apparently I did a quick edit of my post, and it ended up above your reply.

    I have nothing against you personally, and I try never to carry an argument or a grudge from one thread to the next. I respect you for doing the same. However, it is somewhat frustrating to hear home schooling denigrated when no one seems to give a rat`s ass about our public schools, particularly those tha are run by liberal Democrats, that across the board, and by any measure, are FAR worse.

    It also bothers me when people insult and demean Christians, with whom you may disagree, but are for the most part quite harmless, while at the same time they accuse people like me of being intolerant bigots for our legitimate criticism of Islam, which in any honest assessment is nothing more than a barbarian death cult that demands all others be converted, enslaved, or killed.
  60. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 4:03 pm
    @OldOllie: Well, by way of extending an olive branch: I do think that children attending these Christian academies are far better off than many of their peers in inner-city schools. The kids attending these academies come from households where the parents are making sacrifices for them to be able to attend. Some of the kids in the inner-city have never had the experience of a loving parent in their lives, which is horrid, frankly.
  61. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    Squirlz, I`m not denying evolution, most capitalists (and for that matter irreligious libertarians) don`t. All I`m simply acknowledging is that there are those who are uncomfortable with certain truths. With that in mind it is insane to keep wasting capital trying to force everyone to pay for and accept the same curriculum (in other words: conformity) when some have serious ideological objections to it. If it were left up to parents those who accept evolution could take their children where it is taught and is not a battleground of the evolution controversy.
  62. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    To be fair, Crakrjak`s handwriting has improved a lot since then.
  63. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    Wait, wait, so gays should have equal rights, and women, and blacks and everyone else...

    EXCEPT CHRISTIANS! Who should be FORCED to put their children into HEATHENISTIC schools for their OWN PROTECTION!

    FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN!
    (where have I heard THAT before??)

    Right @SmagBoy1? Right @Squrlz4?

    Because unless every single child receives and identical education? It`s heck in a handbasket time!!!

    Oh, good luck getting the MUSLIMS permission to teach their children that stuff about homosexuality, equal rights and Allah being fake...
  64. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    It`s child abuse, in my opinion, and should be stopped.
    @Squrlz4: But teaching Kindergarteners about "safe anal sex" is A-OK? ic...

    This is not education. This is mere brainwashing.
    @TheOrigin: Perhaps if it came from a "public school", but there`s NO evidence of that...

    Sadly, until we get Republicans completely out of power in States and Federally
    @SmagBoy1: Oh yeah! Because Democrat Blacks are NOT AT ALL religious!
    And a ONE PARTY system has worked so PERFECTLY in so many places before...
    Let`s chop that USELESS US Constitution to shreds while we`re at it! Rights? No way! Only LEFTS!

    These ill-taught students are going to eventually find their way into the voting booth.
    And... you have a problem with free people voting according to their beliefs? Wanna ban Muslims too? Go ahead! & Jews while y`all are at it...
  65. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:07 pm
    I feel the brainwashing evidenced by this graded test is harmful enough that it should be stopped by federal or state law;
    @Squrlz4: So "Sunday School" should be outlawed? For Catholics and Baptists and Lutherans and everyone else too?

    NICE! (not)

    Outlaw Islam while you`re at it. Then get back to me once that`s done.

    And don`t forget those pesky "brainwashing Jews" too!

    And parents who teach their children that socialism is a good idea.

    In fact, ANY parent who doesn`t follow Government Approved Guidelines To Raising Proper Children should be sent to "re-education camps" eh?

    For the sake of the children! Of course!
  66. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:11 pm
    @5Cats: I find it absolutely STUNNING that the person on here who couldn`t stop waving around his "Logical Fallacies" poster would, in response to my position that it`s better for voters to be scientifically literate, respond with the following:

    And... you have a problem with free people voting according to their beliefs? Wanna ban Muslims too? Go ahead! & Jews while y`all are at it...
  67. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32782 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    Is it "abuse" for me to point out how in one breath the Liberal Brigade demands "equality for all"
    (a good thing!)
    And in the next demands that Christians have their children removed to prevent "brainwashing" them...
    (Not so good!)

    THAT is what you`re requesting, you lot! To deny the RIGHT a parent has to educate their children as THEY see fit! You don`t like it? TOUGH! Go move to North Korea then! One size fits all education there, guaranteed!

    How the same brain can generate:

    Gay Rights = Good!
    Christian Rights = Bad!

    IS entirely beyond me. Either they`re BOTH good or both bad.

    Equality applies to ALL or it applies to NONE...

    How`s that for a "slogan" eh? MLK I`d guess...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32782 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    @Squrlz4: That`s a "Logical Fallacy" too... fyi...

    I was being absurd ON PURPOSE. You?

    #1 You said Christian Education should be "illegal" Therefor (Logically) ALL religious education should be too?

    #2 That parent`s have no right to teach their children things that YOU believe are "not true". Therefor: ALL parents should follow Government Guidelines? Logically!

    #3 Christians should have NO right to vote. Because they`re stupid.

    You (Or one of the LB) said these things, plain and simple!
  69. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32782 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:22 pm
    Equality applies to ALL or it applies to NONE...
  70. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:32 pm
    @5Cats: Our society (American society, I mean; what you Canadians choose to do God only knows) holds that parents have some obligations toward their children that override individual rights. Example: If you believe that prayer is the only moral response to illness, bully for you. But if you refuse to take your child to a doctor when his appendix bursts, you can expect to be prosecuted by the local D.A.

    Similarly, we require that parents provide a basic level of education for a child up to his or her 16th year. Part of that education--call me whacky, 5Cats--should include the simple fact that planet Earth is a bit older than 6000 years and that men did not ride around on the backs of dinosaurs.

    That said, what parents teach their children as a matter of faith is strictly their own business.
  71. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:34 pm
    5Cats: Quit attempting to stuff words I never wrote into my mouth. I`m serious. It isn`t amusing and I`m getting tired of it.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    Christ, 5Cats is off on one again. Just back away slowly and don`t make eye contact...
  73. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    @davymid: *cough* 390 post rant *cough*

    ;-) I`m so sad I missed it! It must have been hysterical to see!
  74. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    @Squrlz4: And when @Cajun pointed out that 78% of people in Turkey believe the same thing, and yet they manage to survive, you said?

    It`s a fact: MANY people believe something OTHER than what you or I do! Arresting them and taking away their children is NOT "an option".

    That is PRECICELY what you said:
    I feel the brainwashing evidenced by this graded test is harmful enough that it should be stopped by federal or state law;

    I made ABSURD examples in an effort to illustrate how -crazy- you sound, but it appears to have backfired...

    ...what parents teach their children as a matter of faith is strictly their own business.

    So... you agree with me, good! Separation of Church & State and all that stuff :-) hooray!
  75. Profile photo of Geogypsy
    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:47 pm
    2. I know that my ex would disagree with my methods because unlike her I do not tell my children what to think, I encourage them to come to their own conclusions. That`s got to be difficult in a way, it`s got to be scary not to have the comfort of an instilled singular reality...but this is the way that I parent. This is what I think is right for my children and very little is going to sway my opinion on the matter.

    You can bet that every other parent out there feels just as much conviction for the way they choose to parent. (And maybe they feel just as rigid about it as I do)

    These children of ours, they are individuals in spite of how we try to form them. They will grow into the people they are supposed to be regardless of who we, in our ignorance, hoped they would be. Amen-Selah.

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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    *sigh*

    1. My ex-spouse and parent to my children is an orthodox Jew. Something that I did not know until well after marriage was that she was really and truly a creationist. That was cool, I defended her right to think as she pleased, I permitted her to be in charge of children`s schooling...which, unfortunately...one child psychologist evaluation later, turned out to be not so great for one of our kids. (The environment didn`t agree with him.)
    I switched him to the public system and haven`t had a behavioral complaint since.
    Mommy tells the children what she likes (even to the point of saying that my Egyptian partner is bad because the Egyptians enslaved the Jews). I do not refute what Mommy says but neither do I endorse it.
    I offer alternate opinions from a neutral stance.
    I think that it is only fair for a child growing up in modern times to be aware of popular modern thought.
  77. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    Part of that education--call me whacky, 5Cats--should include the simple fact that planet Earth is a bit older than 6000 years and that men did not ride around on the backs of dinosaurs.

    See this is what I mean by conformity. That everyone should pay for, with their tax dollars, and accept the same curriculum despite their ideological objections. This is the source of much strife in our country.
  78. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    @5Cats: "I made ABSURD examples in an effort to illustrate how -crazy- you sound, but it appears to have backfired..."

    No, 5Cats, what you did was to list out three offensive statements I didn`t write, and then state "You said these things, plain and simple!"

    Unless the goal was to convince me never to interact with you again, yeah, I`d say it backfired.
  79. Profile photo of Cartunze
    Cartunze Male 60-69
    841 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    our family watched the Flintstones when it first came out in 1960. No one back then thought that humans and dinosaurs coexisted. It was (and I suppose still is) very funny stuff. Somewhere along the line people started to think of it as a documentary.
  80. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32782 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    @geogypsy: It`s hard being a "good Dad" but you seem to have a knack for it. And read lots of books about cats to your children ;-) That is 100% proven effective!

    @Squrlz4: 5:00:37 PM ? Where I quote you and TWO OTHERS? By name, with enquotations? That`s hardly what you said I`ve done. Unless you`re referring to another post?

    @Cartunz: Fun Fact: Fred and Wilma were the FIRST TV couple to sleep in the same bed at night. It`s true! lookitup!

    (To be fair, separate beds was pretty common in the past...)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 6:09 pm
    Davy: "To be fair, Crakrjak`s handwriting has improved a lot since then."

    Not Funny. >-(

    Nothing in this test is anything I believe as a Christian.

    You made a monkey of yourself. Have a banana.
  82. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    @5Cats: Since you seem to have a hard time remembering when you attempted to stuff words I never wrote into my mouth less than an hour ago, here`s a screenshot:

  83. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    @5Cats: Read the next sentence slowly, please. I am a Christian.

    I don`t crow about it and I seldom mention it on here. But your misguided rantings leave me no choice but to introduce the fact.

    Prior to your arrival, there was a fairly interesting discussion going on, involving Ollie, Cajun, a few others, and myself. You come in here and start lobbing Molotov [email protected] of insults and accusations, and it leaves me wondering if I shouldn`t be finding a better way to spend my free time.
  84. Profile photo of monsterzero
    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    Obvious troll post has done its job well I see...
  85. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32782 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 7:52 pm
    @5Cats: I find it absolutely STUNNING that the person on here who couldn`t stop waving around his "Logical Fallacies" poster would, in response to my position that it`s better for voters to be scientifically literate,
    OK: #3: THIS is your "logical fallacy". Now I`ll explain:
    You say "it would be better" BUT that implies (directly) that "Christians" (ie: Those people you`ve labeled "scientific illiterates") make voting WORSE! That in fact they should NOT be allowed to vote: 2:20:03 PM

    #2 You`ve said it is "child abuse" 1:41:24 PM and should be made "illegal" 3:29:22 PM and again 3:55:28 PM

    #1 See above.

    SO? You have some proof that this is NOT from a "Sunday School" lesson? That it somehow is from the "public school system" and not those "Academies" you mentioned, which are PRIVATE... (afaik)


  86. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 21, 2013 at 8:03 pm
    YOUR religion has NOTHING to do with it, just fyi...

    So you`re all mad that I quoted you accurately? Well gosh! Golly.
    "it should be illegal"
    "there ought to be a law against it"

    How could I possibly have misunderstood?

    I am sorry I used absurdity, I thought it was obvious but of course, it often isn`t. Sorry about that.

    FYI: 5:00:37 PM, My "...you have a problem with free people voting according to their beliefs?" was addressed to ALL THREE of you, so you have to include what they said too. Sorry if it was unclear, but it was NOT specifically at you, so why take it that way?
    (Yes it came after your quote, but I didn`t name you and it was INTENDED to include @SmagBoy1`s anti-party ranting too.)

    AND! I said it may have been one of the Liberal Brigade who said those things as well.
  87. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    @5Cats: Out of charity, I`m not going to address your last posts or speculate as to what may be wrong with you. Peace be with you. I`m shaking your dust from the heels of my feet.
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    valhallaodin Male 30-39
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    April 21, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    I like how they give the answer for#6 "subliminal" from the pic above answer#1
  89. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    I the validity of their entire religion was not disproved by obvious, demonstrable falsehoods in Genesis, Christians would never be so dumb as to reject all the scientific evidence regarding how we and the universe around us came to be.

    As an aside, why have I never heard crackpot Jewish people arguing creation vs. actual science? Don`t they have their fair share of religitards?
  90. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32782 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    Wash That Cat Right Out Of Your Hair... ;-) Cued up to start at the song (I hope!)

    @Draculya: Most (not all) Jews I`ve met share the opinion that the Torah is a story: a record of past deeds both good and bad.
    That Jehova is involved is obvious! If he still is? It will be obvious too.

    For them, the Holocaust has happed over and over, it wasn`t "new" in 1945...
  91. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 10:43 pm
    Look, f*ck all this noise.

    When you start teaching children bullsh*t lies in science class, then that`s wrong. It just is. Give your kids a religious upbringing if that`s your family thing, but don`t cripple them as adults. Hell, just today, my 7 year-old daughter asked me if there really such a thing as Fairies. Of course I did the Dadly thing and told her, "Well, if you believe in Fairies, then they must be true"

    But if she came home from school today and said "Hey Dad, I was in science class today and the world is flat like a frisbee and animals don`t change and Newton was a dick", I`d have a problem.

    Personally, I have no problem with kids being brought up as Muslims, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Jedis, and everything in between. But for f*ck sake, keep it out of the science classroom.
  92. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm
    @Davymid: 100%. You`d think most Americans (and Canadians) would agree with that position, but from my experience here today, apparently not.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 10:58 pm
    Point is, at least give these kids the *option* of being a functioning adult in the realm of science. Maybe as a Lab Technician, maybe as a Science Prof. F*ck sake.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 11:00 pm
    It should be consider Child Abuse when you intentionally cause children to grow up stupid.
  95. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    April 21, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    You`d think most Americans (and Canadians) would agree with that position

    And I thought libertarianism was unpopular. Yeesh.
  96. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7555 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 12:13 am
    Good God- one post I assumed everyone ( including Crakr) would be in agrement about. This has bugger all to do with religion per se, and everything to do with teaching children falsehoods. It should not now or ever be legal to teach things which we know to be wrong... it is dangerous to both the child and to society at large. evolution by natural selection is the driving biological force behind life on this planet- and to teach children it does not exist is dangerous. If anyone doubts me then ask why antibiotics are ceasing to work???
  97. Profile photo of Magentab0b
    Magentab0b Female 30-39
    1467 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 2:02 am
    The only effect that false belief has is a numbing and deep embedded feeling of cynicism when a person learns the truth. How does it feel at nine to know you can trust no one? Sucky.
  98. Profile photo of Doiknowyou
    Doiknowyou Male 30-39
    988 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 6:21 am
    How to turn belief into fact or religion into science
  99. Profile photo of papajon0s1
    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    578 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 6:22 am
    I`m Catholic and just so you know the Catholic teaching is that evolution is nautral process driven by God. I believe you are doing the Bible a great disservice, whether you believe in God or not, if you use it solely as a history book. I believe a minority of Christians are findamentalists. That said, I think it`s also shameful to teach other things in school as ethced in stone fact when they clearly are not like climate change theory and issues like the one a few weeks ago in my home state of Wisconsin where they taught for years that the definition of conservatism was partly "constraining perosnal freedoms" and liberalism the opposite. Sorry but if anythign the exact opposite of that is more truthful! I think public schools need to go back to the basics only because there is still this enormous political divide in the US that not likely to mend soon. Let`s just keep all that out of the picture, shall we?
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    April 22, 2013 at 6:57 am

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    April 22, 2013 at 6:58 am
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    Saunder Male 30-39
    181 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 7:45 am
    -sigh-...Know Ye not that Ye are gods?
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    h4krChik Female 40-49
    86 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 9:23 am
    WTF is wrong with people! That poo`s all ass backwards!
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    ohplease Male 50-59
    567 posts
    April 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    Teacher should be horse whipped
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    daninicki Female 18-29
    185 posts
    April 23, 2013 at 3:40 am
    Someone should clarify that this is not from a public school. This is from a private school, they can teach what ever they want, that doesn`t make it right.
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
    354 posts
    April 25, 2013 at 9:59 am
    Ridiculous
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    TheZigRat Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    Weep for Humanity.
  108. Profile photo of TheZigRat
    TheZigRat Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2013 at 6:43 pm
    This test was in the news today and its actually a real test from a Public state funded school.

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