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74 Responses to What To Do While Waiting For Police

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    March 13, 2013 at 6:31 am
    Link: What To Do While Waiting For Police - Recommendations from police officers in anti-gun cities. What would you do?
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 9:39 am
    the general consensus is "protect yourself until we can get there." the suggestions ranged from "get a gun," to "lock yourself away."

    what are we supposed to be getting out of this? does this guy seriously think a cop can get to his house in under 2 minutes? does he think that when the alarm goes off the cop should be standing by his house already? if he`s really paranoid about this stuff, there are private security groups you can hire that will stand by your bedside...

    definitely another 4 star post by kitteh
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 9:41 am
    I get the point this is trying to make, but are we making the assumption that the people breaking in are assassins trying to kill you right?

    If someone breaks into your house most likely they just want stuff, they don`t pose any threat to you physically.

    So what do you do for two minutes? You hide.
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    klaxor Male 18-29
    646 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 9:42 am
    strip down and smear yourself in poo
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 9:57 am
    Wow! 8 Minutes of pure entertainment! That was great!
    David J. Clarke Jr for President!!!
    Where did they find so many honest cops? The fact it was a HIDDEN camera probably helped, eh? In fact I know most cops are "good folks" but when they`re in "pig mode" they`re not at all nice.

    So for 20+ minutes "you`re on your own" and the best advice the "gun grabbers" can offer is "safe zones"? Yeah, great.

    Welcome to Canada! Where cops have guns, crimals have guns, and YOU do NOT!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
    there are private security groups you can hire
    @darkmagic14n: So only "rich people" deserve safety in their own home? How much money does it take to hire a 24 hour armed security guard VS buy a pistol? Srsly dude...

    most likely they just want stuff
    @HolyGod: How many times do you want to "flip that coin" before torture rape or murder happens? I don`t mean individuals, I mean a city or the USA as a whole. It DOES happen and I believe a lawful citizen should have the right to CHOOSE what method of self-defence they employ.

    So what do you do for two minutes? You hide.
    Didn`t you listen to the Chief (or REAL WORLD statistics?) It`s not "2 minutes" it 20 - 60 minutes ON AVERAGE! Play "hide and seek" with your life or self defence, which do YOU prefer?
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 10:16 am
    I get the point this is trying to make, but are we making the assumption that the people breaking in are assassins trying to kill you right?

    YES

    That`s why I have a shoot to kill then figure out why the drater crossed my threshold without my permission policy.

    I have no obligation to interview an attacker regarding thier intentions nor do I have a responsibility to fix whatever drated up part of their life drove them into my home to victimize me.

    HG. go ahead and hide. I will kill the draters and take their carcasses to a hog farm so I don`t have to deal with bleading heart pansies like you in court.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 10:19 am
    @HG You hide, the police show up, now he has a hostage.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 10:28 am
    if he`s really paranoid about this stuff, there are private security groups you can hire that will stand by your bedside...

    Ummm those groups they have guns.....
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 13, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I love honest cops.
    Shame there are only 2 or 3 in the whole country.
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    fancycandy Female 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:05 am
    that is just awesome.....not. I`m glad we pay their salary and they can even protect us. Having said that, I used to have a cop that lived next door to me and someone broke into a womens house across the street and before the cops showed up, he was already in the street and killed the guy with his gun. That was a fast response, thank goodness we lived next door to a cop
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:06 am
    When I cashiered at a gas station, some guy tried to rob me. Luckily for me, picking up the phone and dialing 911 was enough to scare home off. The only weapon he had was a box cutter, of which I had three, two in grabbing distance. But it took the cops 15 minutes to respond, when the barracks were just down the street, and these were state police.

    The robber could`ve done anything in that 15 minutes though.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:11 am
    According to the DOJ: "The overall rate of firearm violence declined from 2.4 to 1.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older between 2000 and 2009."

    In other words, you are all pissing your pants in fear over the 0.014 chance of being victimized. Yes, there are bad people in the world. Always have been, always will be. Why should anyone be stupid enough to live their entire lives in such baseless fear? Sheesh!
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:27 am
    maybe do some exercise fatass
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:29 am
    Why should anyone be stupid enough to live their entire lives in such baseless fear? Sheesh!

    Isn`t that what the gun grabbers are basing their entire argument around?

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:50 am
    insane_ai

    "That`s why I have a shoot to kill then figure out why the drater crossed my threshold without my permission policy."

    Crazy f.ucks like you are how random strangers get killed for innocently showing up at the wrong house.

    "don`t have to deal with bleading heart pansies like you"

    If someone is in my house to try to harm or kill me or my family I have no problem taking their life. If they are there to take my TV or playstation and I can safely wait in a room upstairs with my family, armed, then I see no reason to kill them.

    You may say that makes me a pansy, but to me a human life, ANY human life is worth more than a TV that insurance will replace. It is just a different sense of morality I guess.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:53 am
    I love the awkward silence when he says, "What do I do in the 2 minutes it takes for you to respond? Basically, I`m just on my own in those 2 minutes." Hahahahaha!!! Priceless!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 11:57 am
    "If someone breaks into your house most likely they just want stuff, they don`t pose any threat to you physically."

    True, their reason for breaking in is to steal electronics, jewelry, money, etc, but in many cases they break in thinking no one is home. Once they get in and realize someone`s there they have two options, get the f*ck out of there before you call the cops or attack you so you can`t call the cops.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Yea clearly from this video they are telling you to sit there like a lamb about to be slaughtered. I love how the inference here is everyone needs a gun. Would a sword not work here, a knife, a bow and arrow? Crossbow?
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    The fact it was a HIDDEN camera probably helped, eh?

    he would`ve had to get written consent from all of them to use this video anyways, regardless if the camera is hidden or not
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Crazy f.ucks like you are how random strangers get killed for innocently showing up at the wrong house.

    you liberal tards are retarded

    when you show up at the wrong house, do you break a window/door and go inside to make sure you went to the right place? he clearly said "cross the threshold" meaning they are IN his house.

    your first comment is right, they don`t want to hurt you (usually), but they WILL do almost anything to avoid jail; see also high speed chases.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Anyone who is stupid enough to live in a disarmed socialist $#!+hole like Chicago, New York, or Washington, DC, or the entire f***ing state of California deserves to be raped, robbed, and murdered while they wait for the police to get around to them.

    I do have a suggestion for you, though. While you`re hiding and waiting to be slaughtered like a sheep, call the Darwin Awards and put your name in.

    No sympathy here.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    @WhoDat: I agree, and that`s what seperates burglary from "home invasion" eh?
    Home Invaders know you`re home, but come in anyhow.
    As a victem, how can you tell them apart? You cannot.
    But if you wait 20-60 minutes, the cops will be there to save you!

    @chalket: Then why ban guns? Hummm? Which side do you imagine you`ve just supported?

    @NormalFreak: You WANT to bring a knife to a gunfight? lolz! Hey, knives are next to be "restricted" just look at the UK!!

    @darkmagic14n: Written concent? Not really, unless they are somehow identified by name. I think the nametags were blurred out, that makes it legal. afaik of course...
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Why should anyone be stupid enough to live their entire lives in such baseless fear? Sheesh!

    Dumbass! You just shot yourself in the foot with that argument, which makes way more sense for the pro gun group. If there is nothing to fear, why take rights (granted by the bill of rights) away from people?
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    "...Would a sword not work here, a knife..."
    Use of weaponized blade is instant arrest in the US.
    Display only. You can buy a sword but, not sharpened.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    darkmagic14n

    "you liberal tards are retarded"

    http://tinyurl.com/a9lolca

    "when you show up at the wrong house, do you break a window/door and go inside to make sure you went to the right place?"

    Here is a scenario:

    Friend tells me to come over and watch the game at his new place. His house is at the SW corner of state st and 43rd ave.

    He texts me when I`m on my way and says he`s sorry, he`s running late. He`s in the shower, just come on in and hang out in the living room. He`ll be down in a minute.

    I go to the house on the NW corner by accident and the door is unlocked. I walk in and immediately get my face blown off with a shotgun by some crazy paranoid gun nut.

    Cool?
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    You may say that makes me a pansy, but to me a human life, ANY human life is worth more than a TV that insurance will replace.

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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    I go to the house on the NW corner by accident and the door is unlocked. I walk in and immediately get my face blown off with a shotgun by some crazy paranoid gun nut.

    yep, your fault for not knowing your cardinal directions and then just walking into a strangers house

    let me pose a scenario to you (other than the spiderman one where a petty thief killed someone (albeit on accident) for a car ):
    you are sitting at home, a guy just walks into your unlocked front door (you were waiting for a friend to come over), this guy is looking for his drug dealer`s house (who lives across the street), and when he sees you, freaks out that you might call the cops and shoots you.

    maybe you shouldn`t be leaving your door unlocked if you`re going to live in fear.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    darkmagic14n

    "yep, your fault for not knowing your cardinal directions"

    Yes. You deserve to die for getting your directions wrong.

    Brings me right back to "Crazy f.ucks like you". Let me guess you are a "christian" too right?

    "freaks out that you might call the cops and shoots you."

    So he walks in and realizes he is in the wrong house and then instead of immediately turning around and being gone in 5 seconds he thinks that perhaps I could call the cops and they could get there before he left?

    I give you a completely plausible situation and you come back with something f.ucking retarded?
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    "Welcome to Canada! Where cops have guns, crimals have guns, and YOU do NOT!"
    Why not? You can have a gun I have one. I live on Wards Island. Did you commit a crime or are a felon then that`s why you don`t have one!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Brings me right back to "Crazy f.ucks like you". Let me guess you are a "christian" too right?
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    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    @5Rats: "@chalket: Then why ban guns? Hummm? Which side do you imagine you`ve just supported?"

    I will repeat for the thousandth time, NO ONE, MYSELF INCLUDED, IS TRYING TO BAN GUNS! It has been said that each time you neo-cons beat that dead horse, an angel loses it`s wings (and you drop another notch on the Interwebs Stoopid Meter). Why are you so afraid? Exactly how many times have YOU been there when your home was invaded? The odds astronomically lean toward your answer being "ZERO". You are tilting at windmills, my `friend`. You are allowing yourself to get all worked up over manufactured fears, fears designed and placed there by your precious right-wing media specifically to manipulate you into bypassing rational logic for an emotional, knee-jerk response. In other words, you are the perfect tea-bagger patsy.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    @chalket

    You are allowing yourself to get all worked up over manufactured fears, fears designed and placed there by your precious right-wing media specifically to manipulate you into bypassing rational logic for an emotional, knee-jerk response.
    I must suggest that you are entirely incorrect. See, your side of the argument is the one insisting on altering the status quo. On the other hand, @5Cat`s side does not wish to alter anything - quite simply, they want people like you to leave them the hell alone.

    Based on this, I am forced to reason that it is you who is reacting based on fear; this reasoning is based on the fact that it is you who wishes to incite a change. In other words, you`re a complete hypocrite.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    Let me guess you are a "christian" too right?

    swing and a miss, I`m atheist

    plausible situation
    yeah, ok, tell yourself that, my situation was just as plausible
    2011
    thinking you can understand the mind of a meth head
    protip: he might even think he has the right house and you killed his dealer, thus you`re a threat
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    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    @turdgobbler "If there is nothing to fear, why take rights (granted by the bill of rights) away from people?"

    Who said there is nothing to fear? It`s just that gun-nuts tend to fear the wrong things! Unrestricted, uncontrolled access to "Guns For All!" is more dangerous than the VERY remote chance you`ll actually be in your house and able to react during a home invasion. The numbers just don`t add up in your favor. The unacceptable amount of gun violence in this country is more fearsome, doesn`t that kinda mandate that we explore whatever steps might reasonably help make our society safer?

    But hey, let`s just arm everyone! All we need is more gun-nuts running around our neighborhoods, feeling all roostery and fearless because they`re allowed to carry a tool designed solely to make it easier and cleaner to dispense death. Yeah, that`ll make us safer.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    March 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    Exactly how many times have YOU been there when your home was invaded?

    Exactly? Once.

    Cops arrested him in possession of my dad`s car and other stuff he nicked. He carried a huge knife. He was in every room of our house. He awoke my mother who had no choice but to remain still in utter panic while he searched the bedroom. She could smell the stench of BO and booze of the intruder.

    He did a little time and was released. A few years later he killed two people while burglarizing their house. He was convicted and given life in prison.

    So please clam up.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    @HumanAction
    Suggest away, it doesn`t make you right or me wrong. I have to say I`m not the one insisting on altering the status quo, the status quo itself is making that argument. The majority of Americans (NRA notwithstanding) understand that gun violence has gotten out of control and that something should be done about it. Therefore, simply wanting society at large to "leave them the hell alone" is no longer an option. That very attitude has contributed to the unacceptably violent culture in this country, so exploring any reasonable restrictions is most definitely in order.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    Unrestricted, uncontrolled access to "Guns For All!"

    ROFL!!! Then were`s my M249??? Oh ya you can`t get that unless you`re rich. Now tell me again how you don`t want to ban anything and it`s uncontrolled.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    McGovern1981

    "Tolerant as long as you totally agree with them"

    So I called someone crazy because they said someone deserves to die for innocently getting directions wrong and that makes me intolerant?

    Huh?

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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    @chalket

    Suggest away, it doesn`t make you right or me wrong.
    Of course not; being right is what makes me right, and being wrong is what makes you wrong.

    the status quo itself is making that argument
    So... an inanimate, intangible, invisible idea is arguing with you? No, I suspect you, and other people like you, are the ones inciting the arguing.

    gun violence has gotten out of control
    It`s been steadily decreasing for decades. If anything, it`s getting in control.

    That very attitude has contributed to the unacceptably violent culture in this country
    Wanting to be left alone, and trying not to intervene in the matters of others contributes to violence? Would you be so kind as to expand upon this as I am having a difficult time understanding your logic here.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    We have this debate OVER and OVER, yet I haven`t once, ONCE, heard someone advocate for all guns being made illegal. That isn`t the proposed legislation. NOBODY credible is talking about that. So WTF?

    I`m perfectly happy for everyone to have a legally registered hand gun for home protection. Does ANYONE disagree with that?

    Does ANYONE think you need an AR-15 with a 100 round barrel to protect yourself from someone breaking in? No?

    Then what the F.UCK are we arguing about? The proposed legislation has NOTHING to do with being able to protect yourself.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    @HolyGod

    You`ve shown your stance on many occasions about this. I would advise not to barge into peoples houses that you don`t know without announcement. The story that was on here that you posted reeked of peopl searching of a house to rob BTW. As Gerry said how many Cubans do you know that ice skate?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    yet I haven`t once, ONCE, heard someone advocate for all guns being made illegal.

    That`s because it`s easier to do it incrementality instead of all at once. The UK is a prime example.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    Why not? You can have a gun I have one. I live on Wards Island. Did you commit a crime or are a felon then that`s why you don`t have one!
    @normalfreak: Ward`s Island, New York City? As in: NOT Canada? lolz!
    No crimes! Squeaky-clean record! I`ve been "police checked" for my employment many times.

    To buy a gun (or many air rifles too!) OR ammunition in Canada you need an FAC: Firearms Aquisition Certificate.
    To get an FAC requires about 1 years worth of jumping through hoops and a lot of money.
    I`d need written permission from my ex-wife, whom I haven`t spoken to for over 15 years... yes seriously, written permission.
    And more!
    Many, many restrictions on ownership in Canada.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 13, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    @HumanAction: Thanks for the support! I often wonder if what I type is impossible to understand or something, since "certain people" seem to have such a hard time with such (seemingly) simple concepts.

    @chalket: Restrict = Ban.
    If you "restrict" someone from owning a certain type of gun? That type of gun is effectively BANNED.
    Don`t you get it?
    "It`s legal, you`re just not allowed to buy or own one" What do you think is the difference?

    @HolyGod: You are just plain lieing! 100`s of politicians have VOWED to ban all guns in the USA. 100`s of them have said they WOULD take every single gun away if they could. Haven`t you been paying attention? Dianne Feinstein is a perfect example.
    Feinstein was the author of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban! FFS! She`s been trying for decades now!
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    @McGovern1981
    Nazi Germany is also a good example.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    5Cats

    "they WOULD take every single gun away if they could"

    That is a HUGE "if". I would end all murder and rape IF I could.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 13, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    yet I haven`t once, ONCE, heard someone advocate for all guns being made illegal.
    @HolyGod: You didn`t say "could do it" you said "want to do it" (look up "advocate, yes?)

    Furthermore: If you think a sitting US Senator for 20+ years "isn`t credible" then... well...

    WHO do you think is sponsoring the current "gun laws"? Hummmm?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    5Cats

    "you said "want to do it""

    She was speaking in hypotheticals. She knows damn well you are never going to outlaw all guns in this country.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    March 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm
    @HolyGod: Really? "hypotheticals" really?

    "If I could pass a law taking away every gun in America I would"

    HOW is that "hypothetical? YOU SAID "advocate" and that`s 100% what she`s doing. And she`s not "some fringe person" she`s a "leading Democrat Senator"!
    She`s not alone either, have you looked at what`s going on in Colorado? The Democrats there have openly admitted they want to BAN ALL GUNS in their state. It`s not new, they`re proposing the same laws which failed to pass 6 (iirc) years ago VERBATUM!

    So tell me again how Feinstein isn`t a "credible advocate", please do! I can use the "lols".
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Chalklet - you are getting crazier by the day. You are the one suggesting change. You are the one with the irrational fear.

    The vast majority of America has crime rates comparable if not better than other countries. There are a few poor communities/cities where violence is high, which pushes up our violent crime stats. If you truly want to reduce violent crime, you need to focus on social and economic problems in those areas.
    You keep saying we should try whatever necessary to make things safer. How about you stop expecting the government to keep you safe. Take responsibility for your own safety without taking my rights.

    The bottom line is that you are scared of guns. If you really cared about yours or others well being, there are much better ways of doing so without taking rights and adding more laws (which won`t work).

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm
    5Cats

    "@HolyGod: Really? "hypotheticals" really?

    "If I could pass a law taking away every gun in America I would"

    Yes. That is a hypothetical. IF I could I would. Do you not know what the word "hypothetical" means? This really isn`t up for debate. That is a text book hypothetical statement.

    Here is some reading for you: http://tinyurl.com/c3b5udt
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    BG77 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 1:36 am
    What if there were no hypothetical questions?
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 5:13 am
    "If I could pass a law taking away every gun in America I would"

    However you look at it, it is simply not true to say that nobody wants to take away your guns.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 5:51 am
    Pushing for an "assault weapons" ban and telling me you don`t want to ban anything makes figuring out what you want to do easy.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 5:55 am
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:04 am
    @turdburglar

    "The vast majority of America has crime rates comparable if not better than other countries."

    And in those countries, people don`t feel the need to arm themselves with firearms to defend themselves.

    So why do you? You just said right there that the crime levels are similar.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:09 am
    @HolyGod: Advocate

    That`s the word you used, and I answered it, not some other word you didn`t use, ok?
    It makes NO distinctions for "intent" or "possibility" ok?

    "to speak or write in favor of"

    Admit it, I`m correct, it`s good for the soul...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:14 am
    What if there were no hypothetical questions?
    Lolz! @BG77: Then you`d only have 30 posts? ;-)
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 10:08 am
    @Musuko42

    Except for your police when the royals are getting married and all police with a pistol in Northern Ireland. Geeeee now why might that be.....
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 10:54 am
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    "Admit it, I`m correct, it`s good for the soul..."

    Fair enough. She has advocated verbally for a world without guns. However, I take that as simply wishful thinking. She hasn`t actively tried to take all guns away because she knows that is impossible and unrealistic. It`s like the difference between saying "If I could make everyone be nice I would" and trying to actually pass laws that make everyone behave nicely.

    I`ve said before that I have NO problem admitting I`m wrong on a fact-based issue. It just very rarely happens. ;)

    "Really? "hypotheticals" really? HOW is that hypothetical?"

    You want a take a stab at admitting you were wrong and that is a perfect example of a hypothetical statement? It is JUST as good for the soul when conservatives admit they were wrong, its just that conservatives don`t typically have souls so they can`t tell. ;)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 11:55 am
    "The Senate Judiciary Committee approved a ban on the sale and manufacture of more than 150 types of semi-automatic weapons with military-style features Thursday in a party-line vote."

    @HolyGod: There`s nothing "hypothetical" about it, that`s why.
    But I`m glad you`ve admitted your mistake.

    Source
    And just WHOM do you think is chairperson of that committee? Why, Dianne FeinStein of course!

    Note that "3 letter word"? BAN. Yes indeed, she`s trying to BAN 150 types of "semi-automatic weapons" and tells us (in the video, at the linky) that we should be happy that the other 2,271 kinds aren`t banned too!
    At least that`s how I hear it, other opinions may vary ;-)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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    Wow. I said: "someone advocate for all guns being made illegal." which has NOTHING to do with people trying to make an extremely narrow section of guns illegal, so I have no idea how that post is remotely relevant.

    Then we got into a sub-debate on whether or not the statement "If I could pass a law taking away every gun in America I would" is a hypothetical statement.

    You said: "Really? "hypotheticals" really? "If I could pass a law taking away every gun in America I would" HOW is that "hypothetical?"

    Now it clearly and obviously is a textbook definition of a hypothetical statement. If you can`t admit that and admit you were wrong then I guess you just affirm what a lot of people on here say about you.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    So why do you?

    Musuko42 - The simple answer is...It`s none of your business what my reasons are. It`s my right to do so.

    Honestly tho, I do have a cpl but I don`t actively carry on a daily basis. I enjoy hunting and target shooting though. And in the unlikely event that I need to protect myself, home or family I can. I don`t trust in the government to take care of me.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    @HolyGod: So you can "read her mind" and "understand her intentions" eh? What she "really MEANT to say". Well, good for you!

    I, however, am limited to the words themselves.
    "If I could... I would..." Sounds like a simple statement of fact to me!
    ADD TO THAT her previous efforts to ban guns? It`s a slam-dunk!

    Ask yourself: WHY? Why ban "AR-15" and not handguns which are what used in the VAST majority of crimes?

    Because it`s the "first step" in a total gun ban. Just like England (which now "restricts knives" ffs!) and Australia (which physically took people`s guns away).

    Your "Ad Hominem" Attack Did not go un-noticed bwt... low, vile, cowardly, contemptable, shameful!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Furthermore:
    "If I could, baby I`d give you my world.
    How can I? When you won`t take it from me?"
    - Fleetwood Mac

    Sure it MIGHT be called "wishful thinking" but that:
    A) In no way makes it false. It`s still a factual (if wishful) statement.
    B) Still qualifies as "advocation" for gun grabbing.

    Funny, I can see "both sides" quite easily, but you required a lot of... guidance... Well, at least you got there.

    "If I could, baby I`d take your guns away!
    How can I? The Constitution won`t let me!"
    - D.Feinstein
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:24 pm
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    "I, however, am limited to the words themselves. "

    That is ALL I`m going off of. So my only assumption here is that you don`t know what "hypothetical statement" means.

    "If I could... I would..." Sounds like a simple statement of fact to me!"

    Dude. I gave you the link. Did you read it? The very first example is "They would invest in R & D if they had the capitol". Sound familiar? It is called a conditional hypothetical statement. If A then B. If I could then I would.

    This is like arguing over what a noun is. It is not up for debate. It doesn`t matter what it "sounds like to you".
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:31 pm
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    " low, vile, cowardly, contemptable, shameful!"

    What on earth are you complaining about now?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    March 14, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    "They would invest in R & D if they had the capitol"
    SO? Are they advocating FOR or AGAINST "R&D"? Obviously they`re advocating FOR it. That`s the word you used: advocate.

    THAT is the topic! Not "what she meant" but "did she advocate" for it? Yes, obviously. Unless you claim she was being sarcastic... :rolleyes:

    Unless you claim you`ve never heard of Dianne Feinstein before? (I`ve mentioned her several times on IAB... as have others) I`m still correct, no excuses.

    Shall I look up "moot point" for you? Hypothetical or not is "moot"...

    ...I guess you just affirm what a lot of people on here say about you.
    You`d be happy if I said that about yo mama? I think not.

    It`s also a brutally bad Rhetological Fallacy...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 6:14 pm
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    "That`s the word you used: advocate"

    I already admitted you were right. She did advocate for all guns being taken away, if only musingly. Why are you still beating that horse?

    "you`ve never heard of Dianne Feinstein before?"

    I am very familiar with her and that quote in particular.

    The second thing we disagreed about was whether or not the statement was "hypothetical" which you seem to think requires context because you obviously don`t know what hypothetical means.

    "...I guess you just affirm what a lot of people on here say about you."

    I simply meant the fact that they say you never admit when you are wrong.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 6:17 pm
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    Let`s say Obama said "If I could make the world free of nuclear weapons I would". Would you take that as him advocating for the U.S. getting rid of all their nuclear weapons? Or would you simply take it as him talking about a hypothetical situation that would be ideal but clearly not in any way realistic?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    ?? How am I "wrong"? I`ve acknowledged that it might mean what you say, I don`t deny it "could be taken that way".
    I do say that even if it does mean what you say, it`s "moot", it doesn`t change me being right in any way.
    Advocation is a positive statement about someting. Practicality of chance of success are MOOT.


    You claimed yet I haven`t once, ONCE, heard someone advocate for all guns being made illegal
    I said D.Feinstein and 100 others. You said "Oh no, she was being "hypothetical" and that doesn`t count.

    Follow the link to the word, again, and find me the "it`s just wishful thinking" exemption from it`s meaning...

    Or argue that I`m the one who doesn`t know what a word means, if it makes you "feel good about yourself" even if you have no idea what "advocate" means...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    Isn`t there a rule about mentioning Nuclear Weapons during a 2nd Amendment discussion?

    If Obama said ALL Nukes then YES! He`s willing to get rid of ALL Nukes including the ones the USA has.
    De facto!
    If ALL nukes were gone, and no more were ever built, the world MIGHT be a sefer place... or it might erupt in "conventional warfare" like it has for the last 3,000 before nukes came about.

    The reason it`s a dumb idea to "wish that" is that new nukes could be built (in theory) and whoever had a few of those would suddenly be the most dangerous nation on the planet.

    You`d have to destroy all the N-Power plants try to prevent it, but THAT would be a massive environmental disaster! (trying to replace all those GiGWs...)

    Still: If he DIDN`T want all the Nukes gone, why "wish for it"? It`s "advocacy" which means it`s a good idea (in the speaker`s mind).

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