Video Used In US Schools For The Past Decade [Pic+

Submitted by: 5cats 4 years ago in

Suggests US is "to blame" for 9/11 attack. WTF?
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Male 411
Wow, that quiz question stated we were to blame.

Oh wait, no it didn`t, fracking morons. Please stop spreading your anti-liberal war hawk propaganda.
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Male 4,070
This is why Al Qaeda first attacked us by ground (1st word trade center and embassy bombings), then sea (the Cole bombing), then air (Bojinka plot, and sept.11). It was to send a message that they could attack anybody, anywhere.

This is also the reason why Al Qaeda does not solely target Americans and their allies. But they also have targeted and attempted to kill the Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese, Filipinos, and Taiwanese citizenry. But still chooses anyone that is Jewish, Kurdish, or Shi`ite Muslim as its main targets. It is a religious Jihad not a simply a political uprising.
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Male 4,070
@madduck: "Al Queda blew up the Twin Towers because of American policy...Teaching children cause and effect is just common sense"

Again, I believe you`re over simplifying it, Al Queda is not a political independence movement. They, not me, describe themselves as a Sunni Muslim religious movement conducting global Jihad to unite the world under Sharia Law. UBL claimed that the only forign policy he was upset with was that the US was friends with Israel and that there were US troops in Saudi Araba.

Yet we almost always advocate restraint to Israel and pay large sums of money to secure it. And Saudi Arabia had asked for and consented to the presence of US troops, especially for the purposes protecting their oil fields against terrorist attack and of training their own military.
Proving that Al Qaeda was a true military power in the globe and could strike anywhere, was far more the point, yet again, not the only one.
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Male 4,070
@FoolsPrussia: Jones Town was not as much a mass cult suicide as is often popularized, many wanted to leave which is why Congressman Leo Ryan came. Some 200 sent secret messages to Ryan asking to leave with him yet he was later assassinated as he was leaving with the people (which I think is terrorism in itself). Jones knew that after that he would be arrested and exposed, so he forced his congregation to drink poison at gun point, telling them that a Guyanese Defense Force was on its way to massacre them in horrible ways. In reality it was to hide fact that he was a sham not because he thought the world was ending as Madduck had said. He even had zealot guards patrolling to make sure no one lived. Some resisted and were later found to be given injections of poison. Here is a
link.
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Male 3,445
I don`t think mass cult suicides can be considered acts of terrorism, at least not in an outward sense. Terrorism is about using violence to threaten or spread fear amongst a population. Most cult leaders only manipulate their own followers into death, and thus keep the terror inwardly focused. There are probably exceptions to that, though, but I wouldn`t call Heaven`s Gate an act of terror.
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Female 7,866
Right- you are muddling up word usage- Jim Jones ( is that him??) killed all his followers because he thought the world was ending. That is the CAUSE, was he right....... no. Al Queda blew up the Twin Towers because of American policy. At no point was it suggested that this action was right or reasonable... but it was the reason. Teaching children cause and effect is just common sense...
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Male 2,159
Liberals believe Islam IS the enemy.Idiots don`t. Only an Idiot doesn`t know that.
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Male 2,159
OldOllie must have been touched by a liberal.
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Male 15,832
Liberals ruin everything they touch.
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Male 14,826
It`s a mixture of several causes, but chief among them is Islam`s (largely unwarranted) offence at US culture and the US` foreign policy.
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Male 10,855
I`m with richanddead on this one though. Our foreign policy did play a role but it was only part of the equation.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Do you think Bin Laden would have been a peacful man not wanting fundy Islam to rule all??[/quote]

UBL said it himself dude, he attacked us because of our presence in the Middle East
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Male 4,070
And seriously, terrorism happens many times without any provocation.








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Male 14,332
@paperduck

Probably because he would`ve died fighting Russia. Then there would be a group blaming us for not helping them.
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Male 4,070
I can see a lesson on the "different" reasons why terrorists might attack, and yes foreign policy may be in that. But listing it solely as American foreign policy I think is far to narrow. Al Qaeda has attacked plenty of places where the US was not involved and usually targets any place that accepts Jews, Kurdish, or Shi`ite Muslims.

Places where Al Qaeda attacked that had nothing to do with any American or European involvement. They were done to kill innocent civilians and to show Al Qaeda`s far reaching strength:


the 2004 Khobar massacre
the Danish-embassy bombing
Imam Ali Mosque bombing
Ashura bombings
Sadr City, Iraq bombings
February 2007 Baghdad market bombing
2007 Tal Afar bombings and massacre
April 2007 Baghdad Iraq bombings
25 October 2009 Baghdad bombings
April 2010 Baghdad bombings
10 May 2010 Iraq attacks
2 November 2010 Baghdad bombings
January 2011 Iraq suicide attacks
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Male 5,811
NEWS FLASH: American children actually being educated, parents outraged.
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Male 3,445
"Love it when someone gets proven wrong and they ignore that post and continue on with others as if nothings been said. It`s funny."

You must really love this site.
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Male 5,190
Love it when someone gets proven wrong and they ignore that post and continue on with others as if nothings been said. It`s funny.
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Male 1,745
Saying we`re a powerful nation and our decisions sometimes affect other countries negatively is perfectly rational and intelligent, not to mention TRUE.
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Male 1,745
McGovern "Say there was nothing to place blame on us for them. Do you think Bin Laden would have been a peacful man not wanting fundy Islam to rule all??"

There`s no way to be certain, but that`s a good mental exercise. Let`s say we didn`t support muhajadeen in afghanistan in the war against the soviet union or didn`t abandon them afterward into a decades long civil war. It`s unlikely a bin laden character would have emerged.
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Male 1,745
What exactly was said in this video that was wrong?
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Male 1,803
Talking about the AQ attack on London..

2 or 3 weekends later I was in Covent Garden to meet a friend for beers (planned months before). I was early so the only bar open at 11am (we`d travelled a long way so it was gonna be an early finish) was the Maple Leaf. Which as you`d think caters to the Canadian ex pats.

There I was, with 4 Canadian backpackers (complete with the maple leaf flag on their rucksacks) and some bar staff. I politely asked how long they`d been in the UK, which after some watch consulting turned out to be about 6 hrs. "Still" they said, "we nearly cancelled because of the terrorist attack".

"What terrorist attack?"
"Er... the AQ one?"
"Oh, that one", I said.
"You`ve had more than 1?!"
"Yes, haven`t you heard of the IRA? You didn`t wander why it`s so hard to find a rubbish bin in London?"
<Cue 15 minute briefing on the Northern Ireland situati
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Male 14,332
[quote]Could not possibly have been because of our policies, our support of the US, our monetary policies etc... no- nothing like that at all.[/quote]

Say there was nothing to place blame on us for them. Do you think Bin Laden would have been a peacful man not wanting fundy Islam to rule all??
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Male 37,683
[quote]But what the hell, lets keep using the 3rd grade response and bomb them into oblivion since that has gone so well.[/quote]
@NottaSpy: That`s been Obama`s plan so far! Are you daring to question Obama`s Nobel Peace Prize? tsk tsk!

So @NottaSpy: Enlighten us with YOUR vast knowledge of what A-Q is, what they want and how the West can make peace with them. In that order, please & thanks.
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Female 7,866
McGovern- I know- I live here. So why did it attack the UK- and other countries- oh- I know- they tossed a coin. Could not possibly have been because of our policies, our support of the US, our monetary policies etc... no- nothing like that at all.
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Male 4,746
Not sure what`s wrong with this? Is this some sort of right wing propaganda site?
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Male 14,332
@NottaSpy
[quote]Why could we possibly want to understand our enemy more than knowing that they blow up good?[/quote]

See gitmo.

So what you`re saying is you`d like to see a solution in the middle of those to bgut never said what would that be. Talking things out while launching missles up their ass? Bin Laden never wanted peace and would have never agreed to it.
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Male 14,332
@madduck

Al-Qaeda has attacked other countries. Including the UK.
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Male 49
That sounds about right.
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Male 1,803

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Female 7,866
some of you are making a HUGE leap- there is no mention of right or wrong here- just an idea of cause and effect. Why did al Quaeda do it to America not Iceland or indeed at all. For a child the idea that this could come out of nowhere is scary- but it did not come out of nowhere... it came because of Americas foreign policy- and??? Or do we teach kids that Osama bin Laden tossed a coin?
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Male 881
[quote]Oh we just needed to talk things out that`s all. Al-Q is just misunderstood "before America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.[/quote]
Right, because there are only two options. Bomb them or talk to them. Since I say 5Cats has only a spoon fed Conservative understanding of the situation, I must be a leftie. If I am a leftie, I must not want to bomb them. If I don`t want to bomb them, I must want the ONLY other option which is add them to my Facebook.

Why could we possibly want to understand our enemy more than knowing that they blow up good?
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Male 881
[quote]Are you suggesting A-Q are a bunch of "misunderstood nice guys"? O`Really?[/quote]
Wow, you really do see the whole world in black and white, good and evil, left and right. That is truly sad. What I`m saying is that their motivations are far more complex than your 3rd grade analysis. But what the hell, lets keep using the 3rd grade response and bomb them into oblivion since that has gone so well.
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Male 1,692
I remember hearing Bin Laden threaten the U.S. in the 90s after the first gulf war. A few years later he blew up us military barracks in saudi arabia. I remember in yemen (yemen is south of saudi arabia, think like portugal near spain) bin ladin blew up the u.s.s. cole. We arrested the men that caused the bombing on the u.s.s cole and they re-iterated bin laden`s pathos; stop declaring eminence in our holy lands propping up an illegitimate government. For some reason we released the arrested militants back to yemen, fired the fbi detective that arrested them and somehow John P. O`Neill`s first day of work as head of security at the twin towers was 9/11.

My friends went to his funeral. He was a well liked man of the city.

There are consequences to US actions in the middle east that led up to the attacks on 9-11.

To ignore those is wrong and a disservice to those that are a part of world history.
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Male 14,332
[quote]5Cats, it is clear who has given you your opinions and that you have never talked to someone who has a clue about Al-Qaeda.[/quote]

Oh we just needed to talk things out that`s all. Al-Q is just misunderstood "before America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles."

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Male 4,393
What the f*ck IAB? You`re accepting Posts now from Glenn Beck`s The Blaze? No drating thanks. Seeing Breitbart Posts on here was bad enough. I am done for the day.
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Male 3,445
`I think I answered this in my last post (which came after yours, eh?) OF COURSE the USA supports governments that do what it tells them to, DUH! That`s called "Foreign Policy" and it`s what EVERY government in the World does!`

Exactly, so you get the point of the video! I`m glad we all learned something today. That`s a relief.
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Male 37,683
[quote]"Decisions made by that girl last night were poor and caused her to be gang raped."[/quote]
Hee hee, this is a very recent quote from a black Democrat...

[quote]...talked to someone who has a clue about Al-Qaeda.[/quote]
@NottaSpy: Are you suggesting A-Q are a bunch of "misunderstood nice guys"? O`Really?

@FoolsPrussia: I think I answered this in my last post (which came after yours, eh?) OF COURSE the USA supports governments that do what it tells them to, DUH! That`s called "Foreign Policy" and it`s what EVERY government in the World does!

You sell me some oil? I`ll sell you some F-18s. What? No oil for me? Well I guess I`ll sell these F-18s to your enemy then...
& etc.
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Male 37,683
@MacGovern: Sssh! Don`t spoil the lefties world view with facts! It`s not fair! They don`t have any!

The USA buys oil from Russia? I... I knew that...

@Gerry1: For thousands of years, governments all over the world have used this ONE policy:
BLAME SOMEONE ELSE!
Blame the Mongols! Blame the Muslims! Blame the Christians! Blame the Gypsies! Blame the Jews! Blame the Negros... & etc. It`s THEIR fault!

The governments of the Middle East (except Iran, obviously) LOVE America`s money! They know which side their bread is buttered.
BUT they also love to spend it on themselves (of course!) so they parade out the usual "boogeymen" for their public to hate: Jews and Americans.
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Male 3,445
`NOW they`re RICH! Beyond their wildest dreams! Money pouring in like water! Remember, these were some of the poorest, least developed nations on the planet. Now they`re awash in "oil money".`

The governments are rich, not the people. Those oppressive governments tend to be supported by us, hence a good share of the anger against us.
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Male 8,124
5Cats

"It`s not an excuse for mass murder"

Yes. Everyone agrees, including the video in your post which says that explicitly.

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Male 881
Post a reasonable video, then try to spin it with Conservative talking points, and follow it up with bullpoo posts.

5Cats, it is clear who has given you your opinions and that you have never talked to someone who has a clue about Al-Qaeda.
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Male 8,124
McGovern1981

"The answer is like saying "Decisions made by that girl last night were poor and caused her to be gang raped."

NO. Wrong.

The answer is like saying rape is never OK and the people that do it are detestable and should be punished. However, the girl made decisions that made the rape possible. Girls can make better choices to help ensure they aren`t a target.

Basically exactly what I would tell my daughter.
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Male 38,457

5cats [quote]"If anything, America`s policies have made the Arabic World LIKE them! " [/quote]
Yeah, I can tell by the way they burn the US flag that they`re just enraptured with us.
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Male 14,332
[quote]Best long term solution for everyone would be for the US to wean itself off its dependence for oil.[/quote]

LOL!!! Ever actually look at who we buy most of our oil from?

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Male 14,332
@edana42

Why not ever pay attention to what Al-Q and the likes want to do to them?
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Male 3,445
"No they don`t. They hate you for not leaving them well the hell alone.

Best long term solution for everyone would be for the US to wean itself off its dependence for oil. Then it wouldn`t need to have any interests in the Middle East; it could just leave them all to fight it out amongst themselves. Problem solved for all."

You must have missed my sarcasm.
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Male 37,683
Excellent points @WhoDat!

If anything, America`s policies have made the Arabic World LIKE them!

>>Under the Ottoman Empire? They were dirt poor and oppressed. The Ottoman blamed the Jews.
>>Under British Colonial Rule they were dirt poor, but slightly less repressed. The British blamed the Jews.
>>After WW2? America moved in. NOW they`re RICH! Beyond their wildest dreams! Money pouring in like water! Remember, these were some of the poorest, least developed nations on the planet. Now they`re awash in "oil money".

BUT A-Q thinks this "modernism" and "freedom" stuff is anti-Islamic! They HATE it and hate anyone who supports it.

Nothing short of Western surrender would make A-Q stop their war, period.
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Male 14,332
The answer is like saying "Decisions made by that girl last night were poor and caused her to be gang raped." It`s very general answer and gives no history of what lead up to the event only places blame.
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Male 37,683
The purpose of Al-Qaeda is to spread Islam over the entire world. That`s what Mohammed told them to do, it`s spelled out HOW in the Quran.
Put them to the sword. If that doesn`t work? Move into their territory and push them out. Heathens are not favored by Allah, so it`s OK to do terrible things to them. Simple!

So after A-Q pushed the Russians out, they looked for a new enemy and chose: America! The Great Satan!

In a SERIES of attacks over the years, they`ve carried out a "war of terrorism" since the 80`s. They`re NOT specific though, Saudi Arabia was a target before 9/11 and we all know many nations were targeted AFTER 9/11.

The "America is mean to us" excuse is just that, an excuse. Everyone is mean to everyone else, ffs! It`s not an excuse for mass murder.
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Male 3,909
"No they don`t. They hate you for not leaving them well the hell alone."

@Fwoggie2 - Not exactly, radical Islamists hate EVERYONE & EVERYTHING about Western culture. They teach/brainwash their children into believing that only true Muslims are worthy of living on this planet and it`s their duty to rid the world of infidels. You can learn a little bit about that here:

Obsession: Radical Islam`s War Against The West

** Keep in mind, they`re talking about about "Radical Islam" here, not your every day Muslim. Some people tend to get confused about that so I thought I`d point it out.
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Female 2,509
"we support Israel, THAT is why we were attacked."

OMG don`t even go there....
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Female 3,392
we support Israel, THAT is why we were attacked.
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Male 14,332
[quote]US foreign policy decisions DID provoke Al Qaeda into carrying out 9/11. [/quote]

Ya providing weapons to fight off a Russian invasion how evil of the US....
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Female 7,866
Sooooo- they suggest that US foreign policy had something to do with the attacks- well now, whose foreign policy do we THINK caused them- Japans? most Moslems were horrified- well, DUH... headline out of nothing.
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Male 38,457

It doesn`t say we are "to blame" nor does it hint at it.
Where`d ya get that headline? Fox News?
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Male 260
Ummmm... yeah?

US foreign policy decisions DID provoke Al Qaeda into carrying out 9/11. Bin Laden said that explicitly. That`s not the same as saying that 9/11 was morally justifiable or that the US deserved to be attacked in that way.
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Male 1,803
@FoolsPrussia
Duh, they hate us for our freedom.

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No they don`t. They hate you for not leaving them well the hell alone.

Best long term solution for everyone would be for the US to wean itself off its dependence for oil. Then it wouldn`t need to have any interests in the Middle East; it could just leave them all to fight it out amongst themselves. Problem solved for all.
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Female 6,381
Wait just a minute here! Are you telling me there`s a video being shown in schools that acknowledges America has thrown its weight around for so long that poor people in some countries blame the US for their problems?!

Congratulations! That`s the most up-front, objective take on 9/11 I`ve ever heard from an American source! I mean, children might actually come to realize that the States aren`t the source of all that is good and the center of the universe. That`s a pretty courageous thing to do.
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Male 3,445
Duh, they hate us for our freedom.
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Male 2,549
Sorry for making a fine distinction here but it doesn`t suggest that the US was to blame for the 9/11 attacks, it suggests that the US may be a target for terrorism because as a world power, some of the decisions made in the US may have a negative result on other countries.
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Male 8,124
5Cats

"Suggests US is `to blame` for 9/11 attack."

No it doesn`t. Did you read your own post?

The closest thing I saw to "blaming the US" is:

"America is such a big and powerful country that the decisions we make here affect other countries around the world. And a lot of people think that we don`t use our power the right way. That`s because sometimes the things we do here can have a negative effect on other countries. And a lot of people disagree with the decisions and policies that the United States has."

Is that not a perfectly reasonable and honest explanation for a small child?

Or should we just all be simplistic morons about a complicated issue and say "They hate us for our freedom!!!!"?

The video goes on to say that while the people may have had a reason to be mad at the US violence is never an OK response.
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Female 2,509
Not big on conspiracy theories....however, I can agree with this statement:
“America is such a big and powerful country that the decisions we make here affect other countries around the world. And a lot of people think that we don’t use our power the right way. That’s because sometimes the things we do here can have a negative effect on other countries. And a lot of people disagree with the decisions and policies that the United States has.”
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Male 2,357
Uh... US Foreign Policy is to blame for the 9/11 attacks; I don`t see the problem.

Seriously, they didn`t attack us because they`re jealous of our freedom - something they wouldn`t gain by attacking us. Suggesting that is like saying that I am going to punch George Clooney in the face if I ever meet him because I am jealous of how good looking he is; it just doesn`t add up.
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Male 23
I cannot stand this logic. Meh, we can just do whatever we want around the world and no one will resent us/dislike us for it.

*plugs ears* LALALALALALALALALA I can`t hear you!!

Utterly despicable reasoning.
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Male 14,332
Cue piper and Euro snobs in 3...2....
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Male 37,683
Link: Video Used In US Schools For The Past Decade [Pic+ [Rate Link] - Suggests US is `to blame` for 9/11 attack. WTF?
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