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Date: 03/14/13 08:05 AM

43 Responses to Rhetological Fallacies [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:07 am
    Link: Rhetological Fallacies - Errors in logic and thinking: Seen on IAB -every- day! Look at `Lies` lolz!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:16 am
    A NEW IAB Speed Record! Hooray!

    I like this list: it really covers all the bases AND it`s funneh too!

    Thanks @FancyLad or @The_Mods!

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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:17 am
    Oh the Irony...
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:17 am
    ;-)
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:26 am
    *huddles into a corner and shivers* ...can`t...write...anything without succumbing to existential crisis.
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    IRockYeah Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:30 am
    Blah blah blah.
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    greekhop Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:32 am
    I guess this means we will be closing down the comments section, nothing left to say. Every single argument Ive ever read here, and probably everywhere, falls into one of more of these rhetological fallacy categories.

    No go on and point out my fallacy...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:35 am
    Ah, @kitteh9! I should have guessed. @FancyLad doesn`t roll out of bed until 3... (j/k! Well sorta) thx! It really is a speed record :-) I`m #1!

    @greekhop: #5, #11, #12 and oh #19 for sure! ;-)
    (I`m joking again! See, they`re not numbered, so I`m not really point his fallacies out...)
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:43 am
    And I have seen, if not all, most of these tactaits take place on the internet.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:48 am
    I like pie.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:50 am
    it is pi day isn`t it?
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:54 am
    Arggg, everything I know is wrong.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 9:05 am
    Saved, will likely use excerpts in the forums later on.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 10:16 am
    Good thing to have around.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 10:56 am

    And? some of those are valid ways to make a point.
    Probability, Relativism, etc
  16. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 11:34 am
    It`s a good list, but the examples are terrible. Most of the ones I looked at are either not examples of that fallacy at all, or they are themselves based on straw man fallacies.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 11:57 am
    ...boy, that sure is a lot of words...
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    Lednar Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    "Cum Hoc"

    *giggle*
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    You can literally debunk absolutely any argument using at least one of these. I could claim there`s no such thing as gravity because empirical evidence is worthless, and that would be a fair argument.
    Also, many of these fallacies are the same thing with only slight tweaks in definition based only on context, but it`s still the same type of fault.
  20. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    They forgot the fallacy fallacy, which is probably the most common of them all. Even if someone uses a fallacy in an argument it does not mean that the argument is incorrect.


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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    Not sure all of these are correct- my screen is playing up a bit. I have my copy of `thinking from A to Z` open- I will get back to you ( really- it`s a handy book)
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    Canoas Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    "I could claim there`s no such thing as gravity because empirical evidence is worthless, and that would be a fair argument. "
    No, it wouldn`t. You first need to prove why empirical evidence is worthless. That`s the same as saying "dolphins can fly because they have wings". No, dolphins don`t have wings, such a statement, while logically correct, is not true and therefore it`s conclusion is irrelevant.

    Not using any fallacies means your logic is correct, but fallacies do not address the veracity of your claims. For an argument to be correct you need both logic and veracity, not just one of those.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    @randomnxp: I went to informationisbeautiful.net (IIB, not IAB! lolz!)
    ...and it was the 4th one on their site.
    Origionally at Ace Of Spades HQ a "right wing" blogger with a fine sense of humour!

    @randomnxp & @Gerry1: I`d disagree: The "fine print" is just fine in their explainations. The examples given are light-hearted but accurate.
    For example: "Appeal to Athority" is -wrong- when it`s an UN-qualifed "expert" (in quotes!). Not when an honest to goodness expert says so.

    Probability: To say it "must be true" is the false part. The truth is: It`s "highly likely" NOT 100%. (in their example)

    Mostly I just "lol`d" a lot while reading it!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    Even if someone uses a fallacy in an argument it does not mean that the argument is incorrect.
    @Canoas: "Fake but true" you mean like that? Yup! I`ve seen that a lot...

    "dolphins can fly because they have wings".

    "Penguins can fly..." would be a better example, I think...?

    Dammit! I spelled "originally" wrong, and I just looked it up 5 minutes ago! AAAG!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    March 14, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    Holy crap 5Cats you finally got a Post rating above 2.5 - congratulations. I guess my response would be an Ad Hominem.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    I guess my response would be an Ad Hominem.
    @markust: It`s "sarcasium ad nausium" actually ;-)

    Nice submission BTW!
    Thankjs @davymid! I knew the moment I saw it that it was "IAB worthy" :-)

    Did you see my "typo explanation" the other day?
    #1 I cannot spell
    #2 Not enough coffee
    #3 Cat sleeping on my left arm

    In this case it`s #2-A too much coffee... (buzz buzz)
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    Everyone on IAB: I *NEVER* use these, but everybody else does.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    Canoas

    "Even if someone uses a fallacy in an argument it does not mean that the argument is incorrect."

    You see this is a good example of a straw man. No it doesn`t mean that the argument is incorrect. What it means is that the argument is not valid, that it has no bearing on the discussion.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    Some of the definitions are wrong too. For example the appeal to authority is not a fallacy because of reliance on an unqualified person. Indeed it is quite the opposite, it is claiming that something is right because an expert says so, not because the evidence and argument is sound.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    The example for the popular belief fallacy is "Milk is good for your bones". That isn`t true?
  31. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2013 at 3:59 pm
    5Cats

    Classic case is the Ad Hominem. The Ad Hominem fallacy would be more like "your argument that we should be tolerant of the mosque cannot be valid, because you are muslim" - i.e. a claim that the argument must be wrong because of some characteristic or other expressed opinion of the person arguing it. The example given is just a random insult, it bears no relation to the discussion.

    Others are correct examples but address well-known debates with clear straw men.

    For example the Jumping to Conclusions example, a clear reference to a specific argument, but a clear misrepresentation of that argument.

    Perfectly valid as an example, but rather ironic and harmful to credibility. Given that he gets the appeal to authority completely arse about face and makes his own appeal to authority in the example, it suggests that the person writing this does not really understand fallacies.
  32. Profile photo of Canoas
    Canoas Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    "You see this is a good example of a straw man. No it doesn`t mean that the argument is incorrect. What it means is that the argument is not valid, that it has no bearing on the discussion."
    It means that just because someone used a fallacy their conclusion can still be true.
    It`s a fallacy called "fallacy fallacy", not a straw man fallacy
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    bordo Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    I stopped reading when I figured out that every example would either be silly or a swipe at the political views this guy obviously hates.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    Given that he gets the appeal to authority completely arse about face...

    @randomxnp: It`s the "Appeal to Authority FALLACY" not the "Appeal to authority logical technique" eh?
    If it were an appeal to a "proper" authority it wouldn`t BE a fallacy! So they define it as an appeal to a false or incorrect authority.

    Dr.Spock says: Wrap babies in a soft blanket.
    = Appeal to Authority (logical)

    Dr.Suess Says: Wrap babies in tinfoil.
    = Appeal to Authority FALLACY (unqualified)

    Dr.Kavorkian says: Wrap babies in a plastic bag.
    = Appeal to Authority Fallacy (untrustworthy)

    Ad Hominum: "You can`t be correct, your (sic) a Canadian!" See? It doesn`t have to "relate" to anything! It can be perfectly random. Just ask @madest!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 14, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    Yes, they do get the "Jumping to Conclusions" wrong. idk if it`s the definition or the example or both? But it`s poor. Luckily it one of the easiest to understand! After all, everybody does it... oops! (Mind #3)

    It`s not my fault! ("They`re Out To Get Me Fallacy")

    The "I spelled fallacy wrongly 4 times out of 5" reality...
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    Badenov Male 70 & Over
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    March 14, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    What`s the big idea posting this logic junk? What are you trying to do ruin the internet?!!!
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:27 pm
    Titties.
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    moose76 Male 18-29
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    March 14, 2013 at 8:57 pm
    tl;dr
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    March 15, 2013 at 5:37 am
    Seems to me everything a person could possibly say would end up on this fallacies list...

    Oh look, I just made a hasty generalization.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2013 at 7:24 am
    5Cats

    You make the same mistake with appeal to authority, albeit with a better example. Imagine I say that tinfoil is best because babies lose heat through radiation. Saying that a soft blanket is better because Dr Spock says so is a fallacy. A valid argument would be to outline Dr Spock`s reasoning.

    I just noticed they got begging the question completely and utterly wrong! Begging the question is making an argument that assumes the conclusion or simply restates it. I cannot even twist their example to actually beg the question, so I will nick Wikipedia`s example:

    "Opium induces sleep because it has a soporific quality"
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2013 at 7:35 am
    5Cats

    As for ad hominem, your example it does connect the characteristic to the correctness (albeit falsely). Their example is just making a random insult against anyone who has a certain opinion. Had they said "We shouldn`t allow the mosque because those that want to are America-hating liberals" that would have been a rather poor example of an ad hominem fallacy. As it is their construction does not even look like it relates to a debate.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 15, 2013 at 9:10 am
    "Opium induces sleep because it has a soporific quality"
    @randomnxp: Isn`t that "Circular Reasoning"? idk... Yes, they got that one wrong too.

    We agree that "plastic" is right out! Eh? lolz! I couldn`t think of what else Dr Seuss would wrap a baby in. Wubb Fur?

    @madduck: Where`d you go?

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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    March 15, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    This chart is awful.

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