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Date: 03/19/13 11:43 AM

26 Responses to NM Bill To Criminalize Abortion After Rape [Pic+]

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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2013 at 11:44 am
    Link: NM Bill To Criminalize Abortion After Rape - Argues that it is tampering with evidence.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    Weak.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I am anti-abortion but I do hate cowardly politics. "The law won`t let me do what I want {ban abortion} so I`ll write around the law."

    Tampering with evidence is already a crime. This bill is unnecessary. Unless your goal is to ban abortions.

    I don`t like playing fast & loose with the truth or politics or tax laws!
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    March 19, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    I`m going to go out on a limb and say it`s not going to pass.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    Again, I`m agreeing with Gerry on this.

    I loathe abortion, but if you`re going to ban it, do it for the right reason, That it`s a human life.

    Calling it "tampering with the evidence" is playing games with the law and cheapens human life even more.

    Seriously, How would you like to know you were born, not because your mom loved you, but because you were "rape evidence"?
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    March 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    How and why did this woman become a representative of NM? I think that the only person she`s cheapening is herself by trying to find circuitous ways to propose her bill in order to accrue support while she fails even more miserably than before.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    March 19, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    There`s an "update" now:
    Apparently Cathrynn Brown is aiming to protect women from being forced by their rapists (or incest partner? wtf?) into having an abortion.

    I still think it`s an idiotic idea.

    I agree with @Gerry1 and @CrakrJak.

    This is exactly the same thing as the current "gun safety laws" which are simply an attempt to ram un-popular, un-supported, un-constitutional laws up y`all`s arses. It doesn`t matter if D does it or R does it, it`s BAD!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    It seems like all my submissions go on a two-month embargo.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    March 19, 2013 at 2:26 pm
    A desperate attempt to push forward a backward agenda. Abortion is personal a choice which should never be taken away.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 19, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    You can preserve a DNA sample for evidence.
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    HerColdHands Female 18-29
    471 posts
    March 19, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    Old... and not going to pass.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 19, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    spanerbulb, "Abortion is personal a choice which should never be taken away."
    @ CrakrJak - I`ll let you take first crack at him.

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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    March 19, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    That`s like saying removing a bullet wound from a shooting victim`s chest is tampering with evidence.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2013 at 2:52 am
    wtf??
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 5:14 am
    spanerbulb: Human life is more important than any personal choice. Abortion leaves one dead and one wounded. Adoption is the better answer and there are plenty of couples waiting to give a good home to newborns.
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    blastaof Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2013 at 6:13 am
    The intent has to be to destroy the evidence... so I`m not seeing the problem.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2013 at 6:17 am
    @CrakrJak

    Ideally, adoption is the best option, yes. But the world isn`t ideal, and mothers still do die in childbirth.

    The risk is remote with modern medical science, but not zero.

    Why should anyone be forced to suffer a non-zero threat to their life as a result of a rape, when a safe alternative can protect them?

    Before a certain point in the pregancy, the foetus is not a human life by any real measure: that point is when brain activity begins in the foetus. We measure death as the point where brain activity stops, so why do you disagree with the notion that birth begins when the brain activity starts?

    Abortion before that point is not ending a life; it is merely stopping it before it begins, and is no different from what happens in millions of tissues every day.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36196 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 7:02 am

    Musuko42, "Before a certain point in the pregnancy, the fetus is not a human life by any real measure"
    Nice, well thought-out opinion. But an "opinion" not a scientific fact. The baby grows, feeds, cells multiply... that isn`t "Life" ? As you put it, it`s a "real measure" of life. Because it hasn`t yet achieved it`s full intellectual potential isn`t a reason to kill it.

    Death is very different from the start of life, so you cannot use the same measure...brain activity.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 8:26 am
    @Gerry1of1

    Why did you edit my quote to change the spelling of foetus? That`s the correct British English spelling.

    Gerry, you`re right that it is an opinion, but I believe it`s the only one that sensibly applies to this argument. I should clarify that I am meaning the human being, the soul if you will, which in my view starts and ends with brain activity.

    But forget all that for a moment and think about this: when you have a rape victim forced to carry the child to term, you are risking the life (remember, childbirth can kill) of a currently living person, the mother, for the chance of a new life (remember, not all children survive pregnancy and birth), the child, to be born. And you`re doing it against the mother`s will.

    Why would you do that? That doesn`t seem moral to me.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 20, 2013 at 8:49 am

    @ Musuko42 - My standard of life is also just my opinion. But when it comes to a child`s life at stake, I prefer to err on the side of caution, rather than kill a kid.

    As for the risk to the mother...the rapist put her in that position. It`s another horrible part of the crime he committed. But there is very, very little risk to her life. There is more risk of a car accident going to court to testify against him...so why put her though the risk of a trial? I am not unsympathetic to what she must have to go through carrying the child to full term, but it is not the babies fault so killing him or her isn`t a solution to anything.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 10:33 am
    @Gerry1of1

    It`s a medically understood fact that human life ends when the brain shuts down. Do you accept that?

    If the answer is yes, then you must either accept that human life begins when the brain starts, or you must explain why you have this disparity of standards.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 10:35 am
    @Gerry1of1

    Incidentally, the issue we have here (risk the life of the unwilling mother to save the unborn child) is an example of the trolley problem.

    In short: is it morally just to kill an unconsenting innocent person to save another innocent person?

    Wikipedia article on the trolley problem
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
    1558 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 10:42 am
    once again, idiots wanting to run others lives with their own dark age superstitious view of life,. Go crawl back in to your cave and be afraid of thunder and lighting and pretend it`s you "god" being mad!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    March 20, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Before a certain point in the pregnancy, the foetus is not a human life by any real measure:
    @Musuko42: Except, you know, DNA! Which the baby has it`s own, unique DNA entirely separate from the Mother at 32 cells... before that I`d agree it`s "not yet human" but it`s still an abortion.

    Hint: 32 cells is REALLY early on, before the Mother even knows it...

    As for rape? Almost all the "pro lifers" agree that abortion is OK. Here`s why:
    Choice! She had a choice to get pregnant? No? Then she has a choice now to carry or not.
    If she made a choice to have sex, and got knocked up? Well, she threw the dice and now should pay the price: NOT pass the blame to the baby!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 20, 2013 at 10:47 am

    @ Musuko42 - it is a "legally" understood fact, not medically. But I`ll go along with "medically" also.

    But again you are comparing apples to oranges. Death of a human who is fully developed cannot be compared with a fetus in different stages of development.

    Bottom line, no one can say for certain if it`s a baby or just tissue. The only thing we know for certain is that left to take it`s natural course a baby will come sliding out of there. so again, I err on the side of caution.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2105 posts
    March 21, 2013 at 5:38 am
    Time to kill the retards.

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