How Economic Inequality Harms Societies

Submitted by: Kain1 3 years ago

Richard Wilkinson charts the hard data on economic inequality, and shows what gets worse when inequality rises.
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Male 5,811
[quote]V Says the Canuk after watching a vid wherein some Canadian provinces are justifiably compared to some US states....[/quote]
Well, our current PM has been on record saying he wants our conservatives to act more like your conservatives, so I wouldn`t necessarily disagree with you here, given the road we`re on.
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Male 7,123
OldOllie,

This guy may be right or wrong (and I find him very persuasive, but if you think he`s a yahoo then you don`t know what the word means. `A rude, noisy or violent person`? Damn, you must have lead a sheltered life.

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Female 2,228
V Says the Canuk after watching a vid wherein some Canadian provinces are justifiably compared to some US states....
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Male 5,811
[quote]If they were a nation unto themselves, they would rate 86th in the world in life expectancy, falling behind 18 developing countries.[/quote]
From my experience travelling in the US, one thing I`ve noticed is that you never seem to be more than a half-an-hour away from the third world.
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Male 6,227

@OldOllie: Actually I don`t think he`s reversed cause and effect here. Rather, it may be that you`re looking at the situation ass-backwards.

*ba-dum-ksssh!* I`m here all week, folks.
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Male 6,227

@CreamK: Nice to know there`s a Finn or two on here. I haven`t followed much news out of Suomi lately, so I appreciate the update. Now, if you can just figure out a way to send me a package of pulla and some decent Finnish coffee, I`ll be in heaven. =^.^=
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Male 15,832
This yahoo`s biggest problem is that he has completely reversed cause and effect.
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Male 646
"Imagine what we could do with Mississippi, crush the high poverty rate and eliminate the education gap and see a whole new state reborn from the ashes..."

- Exactly, we should do what Sherman forgot to finish and burn the whole place to the ground
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Male 1,421
Nice try, 5Cats. You do what ever you have to do to keep your world rid of all the poor, sick and homeless. Oh, and everyone has to have a gun. Since those poor might one day want food and you sure aren`t giving it a way.Because that waits at the end of that path, violent revolution... Poor WILL get their share one day and then some.
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Male 1,421
@ Squrlz4Sale:

I think so too and so does Dalai Lama, who once said that it starts from Finland... We have our problems here too but in comparison, we have it here really good.

But.. The new economic rulers are creeping in, students haven`t got their financial aid raised in 12 years, welfare hasn`t followed the inflation in 10 years, housing aids are way below the cheapest available rents etc.. I blame the right wing parties that are kissing EU bankers asses and stupid Finnish people for accepting it.
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Female 2,228
I would love to see the worst off part of the US (Deep South) get more economically equal, it would solve all their legendary longstanding bedevilments. Imagine what we could do with Mississippi, crush the high poverty rate and eliminate the education gap and see a whole new state reborn from the ashes...
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Female 2,228
From the same data, on the Deep South: (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina)

"If they were a nation unto themselves, they would rate 86th in the world in life expectancy, falling behind 18 developing countries. The list of healthy happy countries that live longer include Ecuador, Sri Lanka and Libya. MS. which ranks at the bottom for virtually every standard of living in America has a shorter life expectancy than the West Bank and Syria. It is a tragic and unnecessary reality that someone who suffered under the maniacal genocidal rule of a despot for 34 yrs in the north African desert can expect to live longer than someone born in the MS. delta. A man living in the former Soviet republic of Georgia now has a longer life expectancy than someone who grew up in Ray Charles` Georgia."
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Male 5,811
Although @Andrew`s suggestion of removing crony capitalism is a good one, it`s not the only thing driving the divide. Plus in order to stop it you`d have to get the people who directly benefit from it to stop doing it...not very likely.
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Male 646
@sparki1980, tell that to the guy in the video
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Male 6,227

I loved this video. As one of the few people on here who`s lived in both Finland (at the top of most of the charts of industrialized nations) and the U.S. (at the bottom of many of the charts of industrialized nations) I can report that we could learn one helluva lot from the Finns.

Problem is, this country is filled to the brim with a galling combination of ignorance ("Where`s Finland? They`re communist, right?") and arrogance ("U!S!A! U!S!A! We`re #1!"). I don`t expect us to move in any direction in the near future but backward.
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Male 329
"I don`t get it. So the "size" of the gap is to blame for "feelings" of insecurity?" - klaxor

You need to go look up the difference btwn correlation and causation
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Male 3,445
The most interesting part is how far behind the USA is on income mobility. We`re supposed to pride ourselves on the ability to rise from the lower classes.
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Male 1,471
I`m getting the distinct impression that less than half of the commenters here actually watched the video.

This isn`t the one with the money stacks.
This is a ted talk from 2 years ago. It`s not biased. It only deals with data and what can be directly learned from that data. It`s science, not politics. Watch it before you comment.
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Male 646
I don`t get it. So the "size" of the gap is to blame for "feelings" of insecurity?

I don`t think poor people are busy comparing themselves to the filthy rich. I think they`re more preoccupied with paying the rent. Yes, the inequality gap is indicative of social issues, but his focus on the social anxiety that it causes completely misses the point.
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Male 10,339
Yep. Venezuela tried to fix income inequality. Chavez took everyone`s money, so they were all poor.

Everyone then lived in huts. Not just the poorest.

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Male 15,832
[quote]higher taxes for everyone and the problem gets solved[/quote]
Right, no more inequality. When the economy collapses, we`ll ALL be broke.

And for out next video, "How Arrogant Liberals Attempting to Eliminate Economic Inequality Completely DESTROY Societies."
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Male 2,440
Gotta go with Andrew155 on this one.
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Male 427
"Lee Doren`s Video Rips this bull-crap apart.

Wilkinson uses "bait and switch" with his terms: Income is NOT "wealth" ok? "
Nope. That video has nothing to do with Richard Wilkinson`s. That dude goes on to talk about wealth and how wealth is not a good identifier while Wilkinson only uses income in his analyses.
I have no idea why you posted that video as it`s completely unrelated.
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Male 36,308
Lee Doren`s Video Rips this bull-crap apart.

Wilkinson uses "bait and switch" with his terms: Income is NOT "wealth" ok?
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Male 427
higher taxes for everyone and the problem gets solved
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Male 1,086
I don`t think your prescription would work in the long-term, Andrew. With falling birthrates, western countries (especially Europe) will need to depend upon immigration more. If people are uneducated, then introduce them to the education system.

Thus ta-da, more educated workers. It`s the same effect as if there were a babyboom, except more of them are adults.
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Male 2,841
Inequality or envy?
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Male 500
Still bored.
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Male 2,578
Stop the Quantitative Easing. Stop the bailouts of inefficient companies. Stop the inflation and devaluation of our currency. Stop the government from getting in bed with companies like GE. That would solve a good portion of it.


And I`m going to go out on a limb and say that letting over 30 million immigrants into your country in just a few years, whether righty or wrongly, will increase inequality. A Guatemalan family isn`t exactly going to become Middle Class. Many of them don`t have any education. The sheer excess of unskilled labor that results also depresses wages, which disproportionately affects pre-existing poor communities, like the black community.

Citation from a paper of mine.
(Borjas, G. J.; Grogger, J.; Hanson, G. H. (2010). "Immigration and the Economic Status of African-American Men". Economica 77)

Or you can keep thinking it`s all Walmart.
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Male 1,471
Link: How Economic Inequality Harms Societies [Rate Link] - Richard Wilkinson charts the hard data on economic inequality, and shows what gets worse when inequality rises.
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